Quote from: d_Guy on 20 October 2016, 10:01:13 PM
Not if you are the OpFor!

Or a civilian, especially women.

They took "to save the village, we had the burn the village" as a direct instruction, it seems.

No one tends to come out of war smelling of roses, but they seemed to relish it. There's plenty of sites and books detailing it their activities if you want to read up, but for the sake of my breakfast and sleep I'll not delve any deeper into it here.

Especially as it's a Korean War thread!

Quote from: toxicpixie on 21 October 2016, 10:37:43 AM
Or a civilian, especially women.

They took "to save the village, we had the burn the village" as a direct instruction, it seems.

No one tends to come out of war smelling of roses, but they seemed to relish it. There's plenty of sites and books detailing it their activities if you want to read up, but for the sake of my breakfast and sleep I'll not delve any deeper into it here.

Especially as it's a Korean War thread!

Nobody comes out of total war smelling of roses.  Never mind civil war.  They tend to be especially dirty and brutal.   But as discussed in another thread, we can either get depressed over human  depravity, or we can escape in to a chess inspired  hobby that fascinates because of the tension between strict rules and the throw of the dice (+1).

in the  the end its a game, not re-enactment  or glorification of genocide.

Indeed.

I don't want to play "Atrocity Commander", but I do think we should be aware of the background "warts and all", and be willing to acknowledge it. I've not got any periods I'd not play, I think, but I do know many gamers who won't play various forces/eras/conflicts for various ethical reasons.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled "please can we have some more toys please" service!

I can't really add to this (but...)
I tend not to be interested in wars that occurred within my lifetime because they are too immediate and we are often surrounded by the hideous aftermath among family, friends and nation. As strange as it may seem the ACW is included in this category (for me at least).

Warfare on the fringe of the ECW was particularly brutal but at least has a near 400 year separation. As a wargaming period it offers the problems that interest me the most: an often improvised army, usually very asymmetric battles, and a very interesting (and often clever) use of combined arms. Additionally it is set in one of the great transition periods in the history and development of warfare.

Korea seems to offer many of the same problems as above and this is why I was considering it. Likely I'll stay in the seventeenth century. I barely have a handle on it without starting at zero with a new period.

Plus I need to be able to pay Pixie for an upcoming painting job

I can dig that, y'all.

Quote from: d_Guy on 21 October 2016, 01:27:59 PM

I tend not to be interested in wars that occurred within my lifetime because they are too immediate and we are often surrounded by the hideous aftermath among family, friends and nation. As strange as it may seem the ACW is included in this category (for me at least).

You must be a geen-yu-eyn Sutth'n gennelm'n, right? It'll never be over for real Dixies.

Quote from: d_Guy on 21 October 2016, 01:27:59 PM
I can't really add to this (but...)
I tend not to be interested in wars that occurred within my lifetime because they are too immediate and we are often surrounded by the hideous aftermath among family, friends and nation. As strange as it may seem the ACW is included in this category (for me at least).

Warfare on the fringe of the ECW was particularly brutal but at least has a near 400 year separation. As a wargaming period it offers the problems that interest me the most: an often improvised army, usually very asymmetric battles, and a very interesting (and often clever) use of combined arms. Additionally it is set in one of the great transition periods in the history and development of warfare.

Korea seems to offer many of the same problems as above and this is why I was considering it. Likely I'll stay in the seventeenth century. I barely have a handle on it without starting at zero with a new period.

I get that.   I will never game Bosnia 1990s or N Ireland for much the same reasons.   The legendry solo war gamer Lionel Tarr,  would not game with British figures, so spent this games on the Eastern Front.  (Red Flags and Iron Crosses).     Most of my gaming is about fictional countries, which is why I really loved Peter Pig AK47 as a concept (not the rules). 

When the long awaited Korean figures finally arrive, I may well run a few fictional scenarios- like pitching a Comet against a T34.   

 
Actually not a "Forget, Hell!" guy - rather the opposite. Much of my antipathy comes from where I grew up and now live - surrounded by battlefields, monuments, cemeteries, and other lingering remnants. Mainly it comes from my two loving Grandmothers (one Virginian, one Pennsylvanian) having a yelling match when I was about four precipitated by an older cousin putting a confederate kepi on my head.

It is strange the things we remember.

Thanks Sunray,
Posted over you again!

Congrats, BTW, you are now a full bird 

No worries.  Some years ago I was Scholar in Residence at a Tennessee university.  The east of the state was pro Union and the west was Bedford Forrest country.   The scars of the bellum run deep.

Quote from: d_Guy on 21 October 2016, 02:07:14 PM

Actually not a "Forget, Hell!" guy - rather the opposite. Much of my antipathy comes from where I grew up and now live - surrounded by battlefields, monuments, cemeteries, and other lingering remnants. Mainly it comes from my two loving Grandmothers (one Virginian, one Pennsylvanian) having a yelling match when I was about four precipitated by an older cousin putting a confederate kepi on my head.

It is strange the things we remember.

Sounds like a scene with cinematic potential.

 
Thurber would need to write the screenplay.

Quote from: d_Guy on 21 October 2016, 04:24:33 PM

Thurber would need to write the screenplay.

Sounds like a lost work by Harper Lee...

Quote from: d_Guy on 21 October 2016, 02:11:35 PM
Congrats, BTW, you are now a full bird 

Congrats from me too, James ! 

Cheers - Phil

And me