Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 October 2016, 04:41:28 AM
You can get it generic in SE Asia.

You can also get it fancy with all the bells and wistles in SE Asia (or so I am told).

Quote from: Hwiccee on 03 October 2016, 10:36:32 AM

Thanks for your opinion. It is for a demo game.

Not sure about the display about the tercio evolution. Partly because classic tercios were long gone by the time of the TYW but mainly because for various reasons I am aiming at a man portable set up - i.e. 1 person using public transport carrying it.

If I may ask, what scale are you using?

Quote from: d_Guy on 03 October 2016, 03:05:48 PM
If I may ask, what scale are you using?

2mm figures to do large battles on a 2 foot 'table'. Hopefully coming to UK shows next year.

I must admit that I do like 2mm and 3mm stuff, but a 2' table at a public display could get a little crowded.

Hwiccee - you probably are already aware of this but I notice on the Irregular Miniatures site they show examples of two of their 2mm M&P pieces place one behind the other to give greater depth. Granted there is a slight gap between (which might be erased with judicious trimming). Don't know if this helps?

Incidently, I recently got a bunch of 2mm from Nik and trying to decide how to use them. Once you have this sorted out maybe you could post pictures? 

This might give some ideas

http://steelonsand.blogspot.co.uk/2009/06/2mm-english-civil-war.html

Maybe buy the Tercio pieces and trim off the rear corner manga's?

Probably more hassle than it's worth, so perhaps buys the separate shot and pike blocks and assemble to taste as deeper formations of "shot blocks - pike blocks - shot blocks" than the Swedes?

I'd do the Swedes similar but triangular (ish, to taste, in whatever stage of their formation you want them formed as ).

Very nice, Fenton! Thanks!

Quote from: toxicpixie on 04 October 2016, 02:21:04 PM
Maybe buy the Tercio pieces and trim off the rear corner manga's?

Probably more hassle than it's worth, so perhaps buys the separate shot and pike blocks and assemble to taste as deeper formations of "shot blocks - pike blocks - shot blocks" than the Swedes?

I'd do the Swedes similar but triangular (ish, to taste, in whatever stage of their formation you want them formed as ).

Interesting idea - with lots of possible applications. What good is a hobby without hassles to overcome. 

I'm using two pike and two shot 2mm blocks for my 2mm Armada period land forces. 2 pike one behind the other with a dismounted dragoon block either side. Alas, as with much of my stuff, I don't have a painted example. The only thing painted so far is the lone tercio block, my Spaniards one and only professional unit.

So much to paint, so little motivation

Many a true word spoken in jest.

I am in fact well along with this project but it has had some hiccups. The biggest being not having seen the whole range of figures - I finally managed this last weekend at Derby and hence the unpainted stuff.

So I wanted to do 4 basic infantry types - Tilly's deep Tercios, general TYW Tercios, Swedish Brigades and ECW style regiments (a variant on this would be musket only units).

The Swedish Brigades and musket only regiments were the easiest, although I later realized I made a mistake here. The plan was to use the small pike/musket blocks to make up the bases - for the musket only units I would use 3 or 4 blocks next to each other in a line. This meant doing something I have frequently done.

When I was going to put a block next to another I planned to clipped away the 'base' and then file the edge flat to make the join to (a similarly treated) other base. It had not occurred to me at this stage that I could just use figures from the non Renaissance range instead for the musket only units! So now I have just got 'Horse and Musket' units for these.

In any case here are some Swedish Brigades - note sorry the pictures/paint job don't do the figures justice and also I have added extra flags.







My initial plan for the Tilly's deep Tercios, general TYW Tercios and standard ECW style regiments was to use 3, 2 or 1 block per unit, in the case of the two tercio types with the blocks clipped and filed to fit them together better.

So this is ECW typye units - i.e. single depth blocks





For the tercios I had originally wanted to use the large pike blocks but the only Renaissance musket only block is small and so it would mean a lot of clipping/filing so instead I went for 2 standard renaissance range blocks clipped/filed/glued into 1





I now realise I could have used the Horse and Musket range and at the moment I am thinking of using 1 larger pike block and 2 of the 6 ranks deep musket blocks from the Horse and musket range - a comparision -



For the large Tilly style tercios as already mentioned I am in 2 minds about what to do. My initial idea was to continue as above - i.e. clip/file 3 blocks together. But then I noticed that there was an 'old fashioned' (for TYW times) tercio available. It is a bit short on 'shot' and so I added an extra small shot block to each corner.

So here we have the 2 versions -

At the back/to the left are tercios made from 3 blocks clipped & filed. At the front/to the right is a tercio with 4 extra shot added.








The 3 blocks is probably closer to what Tilly's units looked like but the 'old fashioned' tercio looks like a tercio.

Of course now I have a third or fourth option wth the large pike blocks and Horse and Musket range stuff. Having seen all the range I think either of the following might be the way to go - sorry not painted/de-flashed yet





Finally a couple of pictures of what I have in mind. I don't have enough done yet to do a full battle but here are the Royalist right wing and centre at Naseby.







The right wing is 5 cavalry units in 2 lines - the front ones have commanded shot (the left wing will be similar once I get them painted). The centre is 3 lines of infantry with 2 cavalry units in the 2nd/3rd lines.

The bases are 60mm wide and so the army will have a frontage of 9 bases = circa 2 foot.

I hope this makes sense and will help a bit if you plan something similar.

Excellent

 

Cheers - Phil

That looks like I was trying to describe

Looking good! I do like Irregulars 2mm stuff, especially en mass.

Wish I'd thought about adding more musketeers to the "old school tercio" when I did mine, no excuse, I even had some extra musket blocks I didn't need in the army pack! I gather it's (probably) less accurate than the three block deep "normal" pike & shot formation but it does look much more exciting and "stereotypical correct"... I might go with deep for the bulk, but with a base as "old school" and a note somewhere or lots of explaining

To say "you are well along" is a bit of an understatement!
The look and feel is great. Have stared at the contemporary (or near contemporary) paintings and drawings of TYW battles (and the famous Nasbey print) trying to glean details and I think you are capturing the overall effect nicely.

Also nice to see all the manipulations that you have done and the careful joins used to give depth. The idea of using some pieces from H&M period is a good one and I would not have thought of it. I also like the look of the larger flags which makes units identifiable - think that also was a good choice.

Your skill exceeds mine (quite substantially!) but I would be included to brighten up the bases with highlights here and there.

Since these will be used in a demo game and you are clearly working at the brigade level, what rules will you be using?

I do like the look of the tercio blocks. My experiments are now up to 120 x 60 mm blocks, but still not happy.

Cheers
Ian

You've put a lot into those.

The 2mm stuff really does seem to capture the look of a large army. Having seen what you've done I might consider giving the Dutch Wars or the French Wars of Religion a go, especially as I already have some stuff available (including the old style tercios).

Do look good

Thanks for the kind comments but I suggest that you also take a look at the link Fenton posted earlier for some really good stuff - I also came across another very good one but can't find it now.

d_Guy: Yes I plan to do more to the bases but after I have everything sorted - I will add some hedges+fields/trees/'clutter'/etc.

Generally the attraction of 2mm is the look of it compared to contemporary maps, etc. Hopefully you can get something that looks like the famous Naseby map mentioned (and indeed a big inspiration for this) and others of the period - I think it works particularly well for this era.

I have done the 2mm guys as 'generic' units and it is fairly easy to 'swap' over flags to reflect which army is fighting but I am working towards just having enough units not to bother with this. This means I can do most armies/battles with the same troops. I have a long term project to do a single battle but with specific units and in 10mm. Say do Edgehill or Lutzen with the proper uniforms/flags/etc with 50 to 100 infantry per unit to give the same effect. But that will have to wait for now.

On the rules we are playtesting a version of the Twilight of the Sun King rules (sometimes called Twiglet) to cover the period 1620 - 1670. A new version will be out soon covering 1680-1720 - http://www.wargamer.com/reviews/review-twilight-of-the-sun-king-second-edition/ - and hopefully the ECW/TYW will come out sometime in 2017.