WOW!!!!!!

I'm gathering information on Prussian flags and read somewhere that Prussian Grenadier regiments still used the Napoleonic patterns in 1870, and actually GMB flags offered the same codes for the Grenadiers in its catalogue. Do you have any clue about that? It would be very colorful to include different flags in the sea of black and white from time to time. Thanks in advance!

There has been info on the forum about this before now. I was recommended NAF 18 Prussian 1807 flags by Baccus. I find the 6mm flags to be a very good fit with the 10mm figures. Will try and sort out a photo later if you want to see what they look like.

well I paint my own flags, I was looking mainly for references. Thanks in any case

Javier,

We have discussed this before, and sadly, the most accessible source, which was on the North Star site, has now been taken down. I have all the material necessary for this, but it will take me a bit of time to get it together. Suffice it to say that old style flags were carried by the 12 Grenadier Regiments and the First Two Guard Grenadier Regiments. I will post again when I have it all in front of me.

Mollinary

Quote from: mollinary on 19 January 2015, 12:01:06 PM
Javier,

We have discussed this before, and sadly, the most accessible source, which was on the North Star site, has now been taken down. I have all the material necessary for this, but it will take me a bit of time to get it together. Suffice it to say that old style flags were carried by the 12 Grenadier Regiments and the First Two Guard Grenadier Regiments. I will post again when I have it all in front of me.

Mollinary

Thanks a lot Mollinary, if you posted this same information before I could take a look in the forum, no need to post it all over again. On the other hand I have detailed references on Prussian Napoleonic flags. Any extra info would be welcome but just to have the confirmation than the Grenadiers carried their vintage drapeaux is good enough! 

I think I saw a post from you at TMP on the same topic (and because of that I visited North Star page this morning...without any success) where a German guy also provided good info on Saxon flags –that will be quite useful for me soon!

Hi again Javier,

I assume you mean Saxon flags for the Napoleonics period, I'll have to look at that as it is a subject with even more complexities than the Prussian.  Anyway, here goes for the Prussians (bear in mind that most of these are little better than rags by 1870.

1 Grens 1,2 Battalions Regiment No 2   Fus Bt. Muster 1808-20 ie Usual Black gothic cross, but with all the embroidery (wreaths, monograms) in gold

2 Grens all 3 Battalions Regiment No 8.

3 Grens. 1 Btn Leibfahne Muster 1808-1820. As above black and white reversed.  2nd Btn same as Fus 1 Grens. Fus Btn Regiment No 2.

4 Grens. 1 Btn Leibfahne 1808-1820. Other btns Muster 1808-1820.

5 Grens.   All btns Regiment No 16.

6 Grens.  All btns Regiment No 52.

7 Grens.  All btns Regiment No 58.

8 Grens. All btns same as 4 Grens except for addition of a blue oval below the central wreath with the word Colberg in it.

9 Grens All btns Muster 1808-1820 with Colberg medallion.

10 Grens.  All btns Muster 1808-1820.

11 Grens.  1 Btn Regiment No 33. other btns Regiment No 3.

12 Grens. All btns Muster 1808-1820.

Guard Grens Alexander 1&Fus Btns Muster 1808-1820.

Guard Grens Franz. 1 Btn Regiment No 8. 2 Btn Regiment No 58.  Fus Btn Regiment No 33.

Hope this is helpful.  The old regimental numbers reflect flags dating back to Frederick the Great's reign.

Mollinary

Quote from: mollinary on 19 January 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Hi again Javier,

I assume you mean Saxon flags for the Napoleonics period, I'll have to look at that as it is a subject with even more complexities than the Prussian.  Anyway, here goes for the Prussians (bear in mind that most of these are little better than rags by 1870.

1 Grens 1,2 Battalions Regiment No 2   Fus Bt. Muster 1808-20 ie Usual Black gothic cross, but with all the embroidery (wreaths, monograms) in gold

2 Grens all 3 Battalions Regiment No 8.

3 Grens. 1 Btn Leibfahne Muster 1808-1820. As above black and white reversed.  2nd Btn same as Fus 1 Grens. Fus Btn Regiment No 2.

4 Grens. 1 Btn Leibfahne 1808-1820. Other btns Muster 1808-1820.

5 Grens.   All btns Regiment No 16.

6 Grens.  All btns Regiment No 52.

7 Grens.  All btns Regiment No 58.

8 Grens. All btns same as 4 Grens except for addition of a blue oval below the central wreath with the word Colberg in it.

9 Grens All btns Muster 1808-1820 with Colberg medallion.

10 Grens.  All btns Muster 1808-1820.

11 Grens.  1 Btn Regiment No 33. other btns Regiment No 3.

12 Grens. All btns Muster 1808-1820.

Guard Grens Alexander 1&Fus Btns Muster 1808-1820.

Guard Grens Franz. 1 Btn Regiment No 8. 2 Btn Regiment No 58.  Fus Btn Regiment No 33.

Hope this is helpful.  The old regimental numbers reflect flags dating back to Frederick the Great's reign.

Mollinary

Brilliant, thanks a lot!

You are welcome. Any further questions, feel free to ask. You can always send me an e mail via the forum if you don't want to take up everyone else's time!

Mollinary

On the contrary Mollers, please continue to keep this correspondence public, your knowledge of this subject is fascinating.

Embarrassed to say I had to google FPW to see who won

 

Quote from: Maenoferren on 20 January 2015, 12:12:46 PM
Embarrassed to say I had to google FPW to see who won

It was Franco,  wasn't it? !   

Mollinary

The Prussos won it in 1870, the then Francos cheated and declared a different country ("no, no we are not Napoleonic we are Republicans"). So it started again and the Prussos won it in 1871 ... then they changed their name to Germans and had to start all over again in 1914 because the Austrians lost an Archduke to a Serbian.

Didn't the Russian Revolution kick off because the emperor was bizarre.

Quote from: Leman on 20 January 2015, 12:25:17 PM
Didn't the Russian Revolution kick off because the emperor was bizarre.

No, as any fule kno it started because Rasputin (Rah-Rah to his friends) was the lover of the Russian queen, which the peasants thought was revolting!   

Mollinary

Quote from: Dave Fielder on 20 January 2015, 12:22:31 PM
The Prussos won it in 1870, the then Francos cheated and declared a different country ("no, no we are not Napoleonic we are Republicans"). So it started again and the Prussos won it in 1871 ... then they changed their name to Germans and had to start all over again in 1914 because the Austrians lost an Archduke to a Serbian.

Has anyone else watched "Drunk History" in which history is told by people who have had too much to drink?

No. Think I'll google it.

"Never drink and type ... it makes the keyboard sticky" Confuscious AD 2015

Quote from: Leman on 20 January 2015, 12:14:53 PM

sorry...hangs head in shame