Working on some Italian Wars lists for Pike & Shotte - and would welcome any thoughts / comments / feedback on these from those amongst us who know way more than me about this (my knowledge is nascent at best...and with limited i'net access, I'm struggling to get decent intel...). I'm after feedback on the codes really for suitability...rather than my force lists (which are based mostly on what I think will be funky on-table)

Imperialist
Commander
2 x Infantry Commanders
1 x Cavalry Commander
2 x LAN6 Foot command (use some for foot below)
1 x ELM24a General, std bearer, drummer
1 x ELM24b General, std bearer, piper
1 x ELM38 Mounted generals
1 x ELM39 Mounted kings
(note: I'll use these codes for both sets of command figures, Imperialist & French)

Horse
2 x Gendarmes
2 x ELM1 Mounted knights, barded horses

Foot
2 x Pikemen
2 x ER10 European pikemen
2 x Halberdiers (Landsknechts)
2 x LAN2 Halberdiers
4 x Landsknecht Pikemen
4 x LAN1 Pikemen
1 x LAN3 Two handed swordsmen
2 x Landsknecht Arquebusiers
2 x LAN5 Arquebusier

Ordnance
4 x Medium Guns
2 x LAN7 Medium guns & crew

French
Commander
2 x Infantry Commanders
1 (2?) Cavalry Commanders

Horse
2 x Gendarmes d'Ordonnance
2 x ELM1 Mounted knights, barded horses
2 x Mounted Crossbow
2 x ELM23 Mounted crossbow

Foot
4 x Swiss Pikemen
4 x ER10 European pikemen
2 x Swiss Arquebusiers
2 x ER11 Arquebusier

Ordnance
2 x Medium Guns (from above, need different crew figures???)

I'd love to have some Landsknecht Organ Guns too - anyone got any Pike & Shotte thoughts on those?!

For Italian Wars gendarmes I would definitely go with the medieval Pendraken figures rather than the gendarme listed in the Renaissance section as the figure is too late for the Italian Wars. It's rather late at the moment so I will post some comments on the various codes tomorrow. Cheers, Andy.

Quote from: Dour Puritan on 26 August 2014, 10:32:03 PM
For Italian Wars gendarmes I would definitely go with the medieval Pendraken figures rather than the gendarme listed in the Renaissance section as the figure is too late for the Italian Wars. It's rather late at the moment so I will post some comments on the various codes tomorrow. Cheers, Andy.

Cool, thanks Andy 

Quote from: Dour Puritan on 26 August 2014, 10:32:03 PM
For Italian Wars gendarmes I would definitely go with the medieval Pendraken figures rather than the gendarme listed in the Renaissance section as the figure is too late for the Italian Wars. It's rather late at the moment so I will post some comments on the various codes tomorrow. Cheers, Andy.

But they're carrying shields, aren't they?

Quote from: FierceKitty on 27 August 2014, 12:13:14 AM
But they're carrying shields, aren't they?

I presumed he meant these



in which case, no they're not.

Ah, yes, I'm thinking of the fantasy range, in my muddle-headed way.

Ok Nik, here's my take on the less obvious codes:

ELM 9 - very heavily armoured pike. I would use for Swiss and other nations front ranks, but not for Landsknechts. Also see my ER comments later.
ELM 10 - French and Italian crossbow.
ELM 11 - Swiss and Italian arquebusiers
ELM 15 - excellent light gun
ELM 16 - non-Landsknecht organ gun
ELM 23 - Italian and French mounted crossbow
ELM28 - best figure going for any nation unbarded gendarme

ERI - Italian and Spanish heavy infantry halberd
ER5 - front rank Italian and Spanish pike
ER7 - medium gun with non-Landsknecht crew
ER8 - ditto heavy gun
ER9 - front rank Italian and spanish with longer pike
ER 10 - rear rank Italian and Spanish pike and all French pike
ER 11 - Spanish arquebus

EL 10 - Stradiot

Unfortunately I can't find a proxy for mounted arquebusiers or Spanish Genitors.

Cool - thanks for that, much appreciated; I'll have a tinker with a few codes then 

Anyone got ideas on Organ Gun rules? It'd be rude not to have a few... 

Quote from: nikharwood on 27 August 2014, 08:57:41 AM
Anyone got ideas on Organ Gun rules? It'd be rude not to have a few... 

They explode when fired unless you hum "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" as you roll the dice?

Quote from: Ithoriel on 27 August 2014, 09:00:39 AM
They explode when fired unless you hum "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" as you roll the dice?

That wins 

You can also add ER12 Demi Lancer in the mix as well for unarmoured gendarmes
Spanish/Imperialist had less HC of the gendarme type than the French and less with barded horses.

for Genites/Genitors you could add a heart shaped shield from card to a variety of light horse including ELM20 Irish Horse, by using a hole punch trim the sides a little and a little v in the top and bend it lengthways.

Both sides had a lot of Italian allies too, so that would add a lot of colour as well

Ian

As for organ guns in P&S I use them as light guns with 1/1/3 shooting stats allowing them closing fire

Excellent - thanks, S 

I grabbed a copy of what I ordered for my "bath tub" Italian Wars (also using P&S)

Gives me -

Imperialist
4*16 figure pike blocks
2*5 figure hand gun blocks
4*4 figure unbarded men at arms blocks
1*8 figure halbardier
2*guns

French
3*16 figure pike
2*4 figure barded Gendarmes
2*4 figure unbarded "mounted archers" (I strip the fire dice from them, as by this point I think they've promoted themselves to shock cavalry!)
1*gun

Packs I used were -

1 ELM9, £3.75 each, total cost £3.75
1 LAN1, £3.75 each, total cost £3.75
1 ER10, £3.75 each, total cost £3.75
1 GR141, £1.25 each, total cost £1.25
2 FME4, £1.13 each, total cost £2.26
1 FME6, £1.13 each, total cost £1.13
1 FME11, £1.13 each, total cost £1.13

Mixed the pikes up across the bases and looks pretty good. The Fantasy Human range is handy - there's smaller packs to grab the figures you need to round out things

Not all the Imperialist stands would be on table at the same time, but they have a numerical advantage and a combined advantage over the French who are just quite a bit better (Swiss pike instead of Landsknechts, barded Gendarmes over unbarded men at arms).

That's very useful information, as I've always been tempted by this due to it's colourful nature. However I really must focus on my current lead mountain... .