QuoteWhat you hear on TV and radio strangely only is for one side

The coverage mentioned above has looked at both sides of the debate, with impartiality IMHO. The latter programme really does highlight the flaws/assumptions made by both campaigns, so once again well worth a listen.

Quote from: Steve J on 13 June 2014, 10:33:44 AM
The coverage mentioned above has looked at both sides of the debate, with impartiality IMHO. The latter programme really does highlight the flaws/assumptions made by both campaigns, so once again well worth a listen.

Cui bono is always the most important question. If one -like me- generally does not believe any politician or journalist the final question still persists: Who should decide your fate. I am quite sure most people will disagree if I feel inclined to run their affairs.

Doug Adams had it right - anyone who wants power should NOT have it.....

IanS

Quote from: ianrs54 on 14 June 2014, 06:46:27 AM
Doug Adams had it right - anyone who wants power should NOT have it.....

IanS

Wise and wrong at the same time.

With power comes responsibility.

For God he knows, and you yourselves may partly see, how far I am from the desire of this....What do you mean, in a carpark?

(from ageing memory)

As long as the Scots are comfortable with the idea that every other European country of recent years which has seceded from a larger union has ended up being occupied by the Russians, they can vote as their hearts want.

Yoiur "recent" must be very recent indeed.

Quote from: ianrs54 on 14 June 2014, 06:46:27 AM
Doug Adams had it right - anyone who wants power should NOT have it.....

IanS

I think he nicked it from Plato's Republic, where, if my memory doesn't play tricks, one of the key necessary characteristics of the Philosopher King is he should not want to wield the power, but does so out of an altruistic belief (knowledge?) that there is no-one who could wield it better!

Mollinary

Quote from: mollinary on 16 June 2014, 07:55:46 AM
... there is no-one who could wield it better!

Mollinary

The excuse of every tyrant, junta and tinpot dictator!

Dare I mention Lord Acton's stricture? "All power corrupts.... "

Absolutely   


(Sorry - I'll leave)

IanS

I had a drink (well a few) with Scots Nats in Glasgow union some weeks ago.  What strikes me is the broad church that is represented.  Yes, you have the Dominion status that is the official centre, but to the right you have Devolution Max brigade who want the same status as Isle of Man, Channel Isles etc (not in the Union but under the Crown), and to the left you have republicans.  I was surprised how many "blue noses"  (middle class Rangers types) are up for devo- max.

The Nats plans for Scottish defence is interesting.

Quote from: Sunray on 16 June 2014, 09:44:25 AM
The Nats plans for Scottish defence is interesting.

Do tell ...

Canna b bothed te recant dis...
Ere ya gow!
https://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2013/mar/snp-highlight-defence-advantages-independence

We'll be like Sweden, nwutral.

You're only neutral for as long as no one can be bothered to invade. How long do you suppose Sweden would have lasted as an independent country in WW2 if they'd denied their iron ore to Germany? 

Quote from: FierceKitty on 16 June 2014, 06:25:58 AM
Yoiur "recent" must be very recent indeed.

Back to South Ossetia in 2008...

Quote from: Techno on 10 June 2014, 07:13:56 AM
So....If I've understood correctly, if Scotland votes for independence this September, it becomes independent in March of 2016. (I think that's right.)

Now.....As there's an election scheduled for the 'whole of' the UK in 2015.....What happens to all the Scottish seats in Westminster ?
Are these 'voided' from the 2015 UK election ?...Or do the prospective Scottish MPs get to sit in Westminster until Scotland becomes independent, and then 'kicked out' as their seats no longer represent part of the UK.
Are there other options ?
Anyone know ?

Cheers - Phil

This cannot be far away now but it seems for a potentially major change to our constitution that the news seems strangely quiet. 

Have all of the contentious issues such as the pound and EU membership been settled?

I have no idea how to measure the cost of all of this to our economy but I would be surprised if there hasn't been some foreign investment put off or sent elsewhere because of the uncertainty. Would it be possible now its gone this far for the Northern Irish, Welsh and English to have a referendum on whether we think Scotland should be allowed to stay in the union or not?

Or, as a separate question could England seperate from the the rest of the union members?

You can tell I have a bit of time on my hands today  I have just though of another question.

If the Shetlands and Orkneys vote to stay in the union and the rest of Scotland votes to leave, can they stay, or do they have to follow the rest of Scotland?

Or, if the Shetlands and Orkneys vote to leave and the rest of Scotland votes to stay, can they leave and claim the oil and gas belong to them and deny any revenues to Scotland and the rest of the union?