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Title: 'First Look' at the new Napoleonic French!
Post by: Leon on 04 July 2010, 09:59:14 PM
We've just got the first few masters for this range, with a lot more to come, but I thought I'd give people a bit of a peek as to what to expect.  We'll be storing these figures as they arrive for a big release to start 2011!  Remember, patience is a virtue!   :P

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4760276617_4325b1e69d.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4760914640_5d44d4fdf4.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4760917296_96c7121b8c.jpg)
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: nikharwood on 04 July 2010, 10:08:22 PM
Tease  :P ;) ;D
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: CATenWolde on 05 July 2010, 03:25:32 PM
Very nice indeed! Good detail, raised a bit which is nice for painting, and good choice of poses - looks like we'll get at least two variants per pose type? It's great to see a couple practical "march attack" and skirmish poses with some character, likewise the command set - the two officers in particular have a lot of a personality. It also looks like there is enough texture to the coat and trousers to take an ink wash pretty well. Good choice on the mix of "campaign" trousers along with some full dress details like the shako.

Looks like I better finish my ACW project this Fall and get ready for 2011!

Cheers,

Christopher
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 05 July 2010, 06:21:16 PM
Cheers Christopher!  We're going for a couple of poses per pack, as a compromise between the gamers who want loads of poses, and the accurists who want them all regimented.  Hopefully this will please everyone!  The 'march attack' poses seemed the best ones to start with as well.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 05 July 2010, 07:04:53 PM
Teh beauteh.

*drools*

Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Last Hussar on 06 July 2010, 12:24:34 AM
I'm holding off Napoleonics at the moment because these are coming.  Nice to see they are a reality now.  What nations are you doing.  Yes, I know French...
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 06 July 2010, 12:37:59 AM
Starting with French and Austrians, plus some of the Allies for Wagram, then moving onto the British, etc.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: von Winterfeldt on 06 July 2010, 05:30:59 AM
vey nice sculpting indeed but what is the soldier doing with the musket between his legs  :o

(http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7137/ca12tcartouchedanslecan.jpg)

As for the mounted officer - most likley for he sake of casting you chose that the end of the boots are on the same level as the belly of the horse?

Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Peeler on 06 July 2010, 10:20:33 AM
 :o Well. Looking good!
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Captain Verbeek on 06 July 2010, 01:44:28 PM
I will buy some nice work.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 06 July 2010, 01:48:13 PM
Quote from: von Winterfeldt on 06 July 2010, 05:30:59 AM
vey nice sculpting indeed but what is the soldier doing with the musket between his legs  :o

He forgot the drill manual position unfortunately as people were firing at him...   :D

Quote from: von Winterfeldt on 06 July 2010, 05:30:59 AM
As for the mounted officer - most likley for he sake of casting you chose that the end of the boots are on the same level as the belly of the horse?

Yep!
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Dave Fielder on 06 July 2010, 03:07:39 PM
Stirrups setting for jumping!
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: 17-21l on 06 July 2010, 07:06:37 PM
I may buy just a few- just to keep your company going :-*
:D

Tres Bon, mon Ami, Cest magnifique!!
(didnt nar a cud tark French did yu??)
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: von Winterfeldt on 07 July 2010, 07:31:06 AM
This has nothing to do with forgetting the drill regulation, a most awkard position to load your musket, you would knock out your front man as well, the construction of the musket demands a certain way how to load it.  ::)

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/5395/cartouchedanslecanon.jpg)
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 07 July 2010, 04:18:42 PM
Quote from: von Winterfeldt on 07 July 2010, 07:31:06 AM
This has nothing to do with forgetting the drill regulation

Yeah, I was just joking...!

Do people think it's enough of a problem to need the figure resculpting though?
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: nikharwood on 07 July 2010, 10:08:38 PM
I don't (but then I'm not renowned for my purism)...I'm also not entirely convinced that a unit under fire would remember to place their feet correctly at that angle with the regulation positioning of the musket. I've just had a run-through of this with a mop and I find the position of bracing between my feet to be much more intuitive...

...and if a musket can be reloaded prone, then I see no reason why it can't be reloaded vertically from between my feet...

Please do educate me further though von W (& others) as I am coming to this as a layman really & may have missed the trick entirely!  ;D
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: von Winterfeldt on 08 July 2010, 12:26:06 PM
I did not say to look at the feet, but why would you chose the most complicated way to load a musket?
Remember you were squezed in 3 ranks, for width about half a yard and the front men one yard in front of you.

Of course you could load a musket on the ground, sitting or keeling, but not in rank and file.

The length of a French musket was about 5 feet without bayonet, there it was always fixed with the musket (at least in combat) - it was more up to 6 feet length. The avarage French infantryman was about 5 feet 4 inches to 5 feet 8 inches.

Now take a musket - place yourself into rank and file and then try to load it between your legs - possible yes - but very unlikley.

Here just for fun - a loading sequence of a French musket (Prussian and Saxon muskets are loaded differently as well as Austrian ones in the French revolution.
The loading sequence, the lack of space and the construction of the gun whould deem a certain way how to handle the musket
And yes - very nice sculpts, in case the sculptor can do such a in between leg pose, he easily can do it right as well.
(http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/3514/alltempswestphalian1810.jpg)

Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: CATenWolde on 08 July 2010, 02:16:57 PM
vW,

In general I agree that the pose with the butt to the left is the more standard, however I do wonder how much we are over-influenced by close-order drill manuals. These are meant to be skirmishers, rather than a static firing line - with plenty of room around them, would they load in a different way? Was the close-order drill really the best way, or just the best way in close ranks? I don't know myself. Still, perhaps one pose that could serve two purposes, depending on how people wanted to use them (e.g. making up bases in firing lines), might be good.

Cheers,

Christopher

PS - I could swear I've seen that loading pose in a heroic painting or two, but can't put my finger on it.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: sultanbev on 08 July 2010, 05:41:07 PM
Leon, when you get round to doing the Revolutionary wars with Italian state armies, and Ottoman Turks and Arabs, in about 20 years time  ;D , let me know, I have all the troop type info, OOB, etc you'll ever need. Same for War of 1812, Russo-Persian war 1803-1813, Burmese Napoleonics-Colonial....

Mark
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 08 July 2010, 05:43:10 PM
Quote from: sultanbev on 08 July 2010, 05:41:07 PM
Leon, when you get round to doing the Revolutionary wars with Italian state armies, and Ottoman Turks and Arabs, in about 20 years time  ;D , let me know, I have all the troop type info, OOB, etc you'll ever need. Same for War of 1812, Russo-Persian war 1803-1813, Burmese Napoleonics-Colonial....

Mark

I'll make a note of that, I might have forgotten in 20 years time...!   :P
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: von Winterfeldt on 09 July 2010, 12:37:13 PM
@CATemWolde

Even as a skirmisher you would like to load your musket in a comfortable way which makes it easy for you, you could steer you car with your legs - but usually you would use your hands and arms.

As said before, in case the sculptor can do a musket between leg pose he could do a better one as well.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Jim Ando on 09 July 2010, 01:35:57 PM
He hasn`t got the right buttons either.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Jagger on 10 July 2010, 02:23:38 PM
I have really wanted to do Napoleonics in 10mm for quite awhile but I have been waiting for multi-pose.  Seems they are almost here!  I am sold.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 10 July 2010, 07:10:11 PM
I have friends who were put off Napoleonics for good because of the eternal nit-picking among Napoleonic gamers about this or that detail.
I for one admire the craftsmanship of the models. Cast them and be damned, I say!  :-*

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Luddite on 10 July 2010, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 10 July 2010, 07:10:11 PM
I have friends who were put off Napoleonics for good because of the eternal nit-picking among Napoleonic gamers about this or that detail.

Hear, hear.

Couldn't agree more.

I've been a wargame for more decades than i care to remember, and i consider that a difficult thing to claim as i have never collected, nor much played the Napoleonic era.

I've always avoided it precisely because of the inveterate nit-picking and pompous bluff od the average Napoleonic 'expert'.

That said, i do believe the point of contention revolves around this...



This clearly well practised chap reloads to the side, as per the drill manual illustrations.

OK.  But the thing i'd note is how much space he's taking up and how much movement in his body.  How wide the musket swings, etc.

So let's take a look at these chaps.



Very much more 'to the centre', and in formation seemingly far harder to reload.

Now add to that the stress and panic of being in battle with people trying to kill you, or your mates getting slotted right next to you...drill manuals be damned!!  Just get the damned thing loaded any way you can!!

That said, i guess you chaps as Pendraken may want to look at a rescult to 'get it right'?  It might put the purists off if they think the figures are 'wrong', or poor quality.

I for one however agree with Aart.

Quote

I for one admire the craftsmanship of the models. Cast them and be damned, I say!  :-*

Cheers,
Aart

Couldn't agree more!  I can't wait for this range to finally hit the shelves and no doubt will be buying in bulk   ???
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 10 July 2010, 11:15:53 PM
Cheers Luddite!

I spoke to the designer tonight about redoing the pose, so we'll try and sort something out.  It might be a small point, but if it's going to put off potential customers, then it's best to fix it.  He's going to be progressing with the march attack variations first, so it shouldn't be an issue for a while yet.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 11 July 2010, 07:10:23 PM
I've done 18th century re-enactment (I know, I know) and it is easier even when free firing at speed to load outside the legs as per the video above. It is a matter of balance and swinging a rather long bit of metal and wood around in close proximity to others on either side.

So I would like the pose to be as per Drill Manual if possible.

And It's more stylish that way...
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: 17-21l on 12 July 2010, 06:05:39 PM
Damn all this waffle - get the lil blighters cast and damn the scurvy dogs who care on such trivial points as 'inside' or 'outside', Im just chuffed to NAAFI breaks that theyre on the horizon!!!!

:D

God save the Queen
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: von Winterfeldt on 13 July 2010, 09:50:33 AM
A pity that is is seemingly impossible to discuss anything related to a pose without nit - picking.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: 17-21l on 13 July 2010, 01:45:16 PM
Here here!
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: CATenWolde on 13 July 2010, 02:11:05 PM
I wouldn't worry. So far as I can see, the comments were appreciated by Pendraken and they're looking into possible adjustments, following some natural double-checking of their own. That's a very open process, and I'm sure we'll see more of the same from what I've seen here on the forum.

Cheers,

Christopher
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 13 July 2010, 04:59:11 PM
Right then, Dave's been busy over the weekend, and he's done a conversion on the loading figure to make it more accurate.  So here it is:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4098/4790772440_77953e3dc6.jpg)

What are peoples thoughts on this one?

And also, could the original figure be used as a 'fixing bayonet' pose instead?
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: CATenWolde on 13 July 2010, 05:10:38 PM
Uhm ... (can't believe I'm saying this) ... isn't the musket stock supposed to be resting on the left side?
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 13 July 2010, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: CATenWolde on 13 July 2010, 05:10:38 PM
Uhm ... (can't believe I'm saying this) ... isn't the musket stock supposed to be resting on the left side?

>:(   ???

If it is, then we'll have to get a fresh figure designed, as the way the arms are, we couldn't convert that ourselves.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: von Winterfeldt on 14 July 2010, 10:12:44 AM
I hardly dare to say, but it sould be on the left side - still better than between the legs.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: CATenWolde on 14 July 2010, 11:21:52 AM
With the arms where they are, I wonder if the original pose could be changed to a "priming the pan" position, holding the musket more or less horizontal from the chest. Look on page 2 of this thread, the top row of the manual illustration. Actually, between priming, ramming, and firing, I suppose all three basic positions would be covered. Given the scale, it could also represent a skirmisher waiting with a loaded musket, while his partner loaded, etc.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Jagger on 14 July 2010, 01:36:22 PM
QuoteI wonder if the original pose could be changed to a "priming the pan" position

Nice idea.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: 17-21l on 15 July 2010, 08:16:29 PM
I love this - we can use all these 'mistakes' as well, cor even more poses, I mean it would be a waste not to use the hard work the sculptor has done.

yuk yuk yuk
:D :D
Title: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 24 July 2010, 04:39:39 PM
These arrived last week, but I haven't had chance to get them up.  They are the first lot of conversions from the French dollies we've put up previously, so let us know what you think!

Light infantry - march attack and firing:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4823623631_f3e840b486.jpg)

Light infantry - command:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4120/4823623015_9304cb9517.jpg)

Mounted Officer and a Line/Light NCO:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4824236628_9286255580.jpg)

In greatcoats - march attack and firing:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4824239964_b576c89267.jpg)

In greatcoats - command:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4823624095_22f82e60f8.jpg)

Mounted Officer:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4100/4824238874_e23c71d7c1.jpg)

Line Elite Company:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4824239438_37084f8c39.jpg)
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: nikharwood on 24 July 2010, 09:48:56 PM
Grr...these look lovely... >:(

I'm  >:( cos I've already got Pendraken Napoleonics which I love...and can see myself doing more  :P
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: CATenWolde on 25 July 2010, 05:35:05 PM
Looking good! It's very nice to see a greatcoat option right from the start.

Trying to think of some constructive criticism ... about the only thing I can come up with is it might be nice to have some more modeling on the musket, to make the barrel easier to pick out, and perhaps make sure that the bayonet isn't "cleaver" thick. This might be a photo-angle thing.

The NCO is a nice addition, but personally, if I had a chance to pick another pose or two, it would be for a foot officer pose. You have one in every unit, and they tend to stick out, more so than the colour bearer (as the attention is taken up by the flag itself). Foot officer figures can give a unit a bit of personality all by themselves.

Otherwise, just keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Christopher

PS - going to be in London from the 3rd to the 13th on mixed family vacation and research, so if there's anything cool going on let me know! May also take a day trip to Bristol.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: jchaos79 on 25 July 2010, 06:35:23 PM
I love the figure of the long coat and the sabre... superb!!!

Congratulations to the sculptor!
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 26 July 2010, 06:00:21 PM
Quote from: CATenWolde on 25 July 2010, 05:35:05 PM
Trying to think of some constructive criticism ... about the only thing I can come up with is it might be nice to have some more modeling on the musket, to make the barrel easier to pick out, and perhaps make sure that the bayonet isn't "cleaver" thick. This might be a photo-angle thing.

The NCO is a nice addition, but personally, if I had a chance to pick another pose or two, it would be for a foot officer pose. You have one in every unit, and they tend to stick out, more so than the colour bearer (as the attention is taken up by the flag itself). Foot officer figures can give a unit a bit of personality all by themselves.

The bayonet's aren't too bad, and they'll thin down during the moulding process as well.

What kind of foot officer are you looking for?  We've got the command for each pack, plus the NCO's as well.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: CATenWolde on 26 July 2010, 07:07:53 PM
I just meant that the "command set" (officer, colour bearer, drummer/coronet) could include an officer A and an officer B, i.e. a couple of different poses for variety's sake. For instance, the one you have is a great active pose, and maybe "B" could be more staid, etc.

Not a deal breaker, as most lines only have a single officer variant - just thinking out loud.

Cheers,

Christopher
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 26 July 2010, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: CATenWolde on 26 July 2010, 07:07:53 PM
I just meant that the "command set" (officer, colour bearer, drummer/coronet) could include an officer A and an officer B, i.e. a couple of different poses for variety's sake. For instance, the one you have is a great active pose, and maybe "B" could be more staid, etc.

I get what you mean now.  I can have chat with the designer about a different pose.

Out of interest, would people prefer to have the command in with the 30 figures in the packs, or as a separate code of their own?
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: CATenWolde on 27 July 2010, 06:31:57 AM
My vote is for separate command packs. There are so many different ways of basing Napoleonics that it would be hard to get exactly the right mix - some people will do 1:60 (or even higher) and want a ratio of about 1 command set per 12 figures, other will do 1:20 or even 1:10 and obviously need much less.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: lentulus on 27 July 2010, 12:07:27 PM
Quote from: Leon on 26 July 2010, 11:17:54 PM
to have the command in with the 30 figures in the packs, or as a separate code of their own?

A separate code, but of 9-12 figures instead of 30. 

You are very good about special orders, but I think it would be nice to have two pack sizes in the catalog for most codes -- say (at today's price) 1.50 for 12 or 3.00 for 30.   I don't mind paying a premium for the flexibility.  It lets me budget an order around my unit sizes without putting you to extra work with odd figure counts.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 27 July 2010, 07:57:48 PM
Quote from: CATenWolde on 27 July 2010, 06:31:57 AM
My vote is for separate command packs. There are so many different ways of basing Napoleonics that it would be hard to get exactly the right mix - some people will do 1:60 (or even higher) and want a ratio of about 1 command set per 12 figures, other will do 1:20 or even 1:10 and obviously need much less.

Quote from: lentulus on 27 July 2010, 12:07:27 PM
A separate code, but of 9-12 figures instead of 30.  

You are very good about special orders, but I think it would be nice to have two pack sizes in the catalog for most codes -- say (at today's price) 1.50 for 12 or 3.00 for 30.   I don't mind paying a premium for the flexibility.  It lets me budget an order around my unit sizes without putting you to extra work with odd figure counts.

I'll make a note of the separate command packs.

The smaller packs option is probably something we wouldn't want to do really.  The moulds all contain between 32-40 figures, so to only take 15 off and melt down the rest would seriously reduce our production rate.  We do keep spares of a lot of codes, but we don't have the space required to keep everything, so a lot of it would have to go back in the melting pot.  We will always take orders for specific numbers of figures, that's not a problem, we just wouldn't want to encourage it too much.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: NTM on 29 July 2010, 10:41:05 AM
These have finally won me over, I have been kidding myself for a while now that I will stick to 15mm for Napoleonics as the offerings from Pendraken and others have not quite been right. I have the 1812 French infantry and Lancers of which the former were disappointing but the latter excellent. These are just a whole new level of excellence. The only question is what to do until you bring out my favoured Prussians?
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 29 July 2010, 06:25:42 PM
I'm sure we can offer you something to keep you busy!
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: NTM on 30 July 2010, 07:52:36 AM
I'm sure the French will keep me busy enough I'm now confident that there will be an extensive quality range of Napoleonics available in 10mm and will be prepared for a bit of a wait.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Chad on 30 July 2010, 12:00:08 PM
Would that be 1806 Prussians? I live in hope!!!
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Dave Fielder on 01 August 2010, 07:43:34 PM
Will Pendraken please stop producing such fantastic figures? I already have a large supply of painted figures that I now want to sell and start again because of this. Thank you!  :'(
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 02 August 2010, 04:25:51 AM
Quote from: Dave Fielder on 01 August 2010, 07:43:34 PM
Will Pendraken please stop producing such fantastic figures? I already have a large supply of painted figures that I now want to sell and start again because of this. Thank you!  :'(

;D
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Coracero on 23 August 2010, 08:02:00 AM
Good stuff!, it's worth the waiting.

On the command set I aslo prefer it in separate packs... I do 1:60.

BTW are all the horses going to be the in the same pose?, this thing detracted me from some lines in the past... I hope for at least two variants.  8->
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 23 August 2010, 01:53:17 PM
Quote from: Coracero on 23 August 2010, 08:02:00 AM
Good stuff!, it's worth the waiting.

My sentiment exactly. Love the great coats.  :-*

The NCO's could do with more defined spontoons though.  :-\

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 23 August 2010, 04:11:55 PM
Quote from: Coracero on 23 August 2010, 08:02:00 AM
Good stuff!, it's worth the waiting.

On the command set I aslo prefer it in separate packs... I do 1:60.

BTW are all the horses going to be the in the same pose?, this thing detracted me from some lines in the past... I hope for at least two variants.  8->

I would guess at just the one pose unfortunately.  To provide two means either sculpting two separate figures, which doubles the costs, or sculpting the rider and putting him on two different horses, which then doubles the moulding required.  Either way, it's not really practical.  The command could have different horses though.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: nikharwood on 23 August 2010, 05:07:50 PM
A simple trick I use with cavalry for variety is to (carefully) alter the horse's tail to different angles as well as staggering the placement on bases [even if in line] - this will provide a bit of visual break-up and with a nice variety of colouring amongst your gee-gees [including manes & tails & blazes etc] the 'sameness' drops out on the table. And with command being different it works double-well too. Simples.  8) m/ <)
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: CATenWolde on 24 August 2010, 12:50:57 PM
I'm curious why you don't use separate horse and rider figures - too difficult to produce?
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Coracero on 24 August 2010, 06:03:29 PM
Thanks for the tricks nikharwood!, I have to think about it.

Offtopic: Any news on French Revolution range...?  :d

Cheers
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 24 August 2010, 06:35:44 PM
Quote from: CATenWolde on 24 August 2010, 12:50:57 PM
I'm curious why you don't use separate horse and rider figures - too difficult to produce?

It's just easier to do them that way, and also keeps the costs down.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: NTM on 25 August 2010, 07:40:08 AM
I prefer one piece castings too, easier to paint for me and no assembly. I know it's only a case of sticking the rider to the horse but I want to get them on the table asap. Seperate riders does have it's advantages though if the rider is moulded with the saddlecloth you only have to sculpt/mould one lot of horses you lose that if the saddlecloth is moulded to the horse but conversion possibilities are much greater.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 25 August 2010, 03:14:35 PM
Quote from: Coracero on 24 August 2010, 06:03:29 PM
Offtopic: Any news on French Revolution range...?  :d

Nope, League of Augsburg first!
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: nikharwood on 25 August 2010, 10:12:18 PM
Quote from: Coracero on 24 August 2010, 06:03:29 PM
Thanks for the tricks nikharwood!, I have to think about it.

You're welcome  :) Have a look at my Painting Diary for my SYW & you'll see what I mean: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=709.30
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 15 September 2010, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: CATenWolde on 27 July 2010, 06:31:57 AM
My vote is for separate command packs. There are so many different ways of basing Napoleonics that it would be hard to get exactly the right mix - some people will do 1:60 (or even higher) and want a ratio of about 1 command set per 12 figures, other will do 1:20 or even 1:10 and obviously need much less.

Me too, there are a wide variety of rule scales out there
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 18 September 2010, 04:11:39 PM
Some more masters arrived this morning:

Line Grenadiers (bearskin):
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/5001635360_8433958fe8.jpg)

Sailors of the Imperial Guard:

Officer / Ensign / Trumpeter
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5001035831_65f2620b7e.jpg)

Marin x 2 and an Officer for the Sappers of the Imperial Guard Engineers!
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4153/5001637672_8878f1122e.jpg)
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 18 September 2010, 06:56:17 PM
Quote from: Leon on 18 September 2010, 04:11:39 PM
[...] an Officer for the Sappers of the Imperial Guard Engineers [...]

:-/
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 18 September 2010, 09:55:17 PM
Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 18 September 2010, 06:56:17 PM
:-/

That's what the designer listed them as!  I'll have to check my lists.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 18 September 2010, 10:20:16 PM
Sappers... Imperial Guard Engineers...  :-SS

Nah, too good to be true.  ^#(^

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Jagger on 22 September 2010, 02:24:58 PM
I am curious if your new Napoleonics 1809 line will be compatible in scale, height and bulk, with your 1813 Russians, Austrians and French?  Will there be new cavalry models for cuirassiers and dragoons or will the 1813 models fill those niches?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 24 September 2010, 04:25:31 PM
Here's an appallingly out of focus pic!  The new Nap French is in the middle, with a couple of 1812 Polish I found on the side.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5020246053_516961cc7f.jpg)
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: maciek on 27 September 2010, 08:34:55 AM
Could you post a pic showing Pole's back ?
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: NTM on 27 September 2010, 09:10:33 AM
Are your Poles simply the French with different heads?
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: maciek on 27 September 2010, 11:34:24 AM
QuoteAre your Poles simply the French with different heads?
This is why I asked for back view of figures.
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 21 October 2010, 05:21:02 PM
Here's the back of them:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1046/5102792528_37dc24dff7.jpg)
Title: Latest lot of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Leon on 22 October 2010, 01:26:12 AM
Here's the latest batch of masters we've received from the designer, let us know your thoughts!

Carabiniers in bearskin:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5103801066_b63ec73772.jpg)


Artillery crew:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1177/5103236217_c058d4c90d.jpg)


Sappers:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1419/5103232539_68ddcd6a9a.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest lot of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: NTM on 22 October 2010, 07:32:06 AM
I think the Carabiniers would be better with short light infantry type gaiters or overalls rather than the over the knee ones especially as you are aiming at 1809. This was a major reason why I did not buy the offerings from one of your competitors. Other than that top notch.  :)
Title: Re: Latest lot of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: cosmico610 on 26 October 2010, 08:57:14 AM
I agree with NTM about the gaiters. Very interesting the sappers
Title: Re: Latest lot of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Jagger on 26 October 2010, 03:11:37 PM
Any progress on cavalry yet?  I like the way straps and cuffs, etc are exaggerated.  Those can be a real pain to paint when they are not. 
Title: Re: Latest lot of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Leon on 26 October 2010, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: Jagger on 26 October 2010, 03:11:37 PM
Any progress on cavalry yet?  I like the way straps and cuffs, etc are exaggerated.  Those can be a real pain to paint when they are not. 

Nothing yet, he's still working his way through the foot.  He might jump over to some mounted over the next couple of months, but we're leaving him to work through the lists as he likes.
Title: Re: Latest lot of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: wonderer18 on 11 November 2010, 10:52:42 AM
I really like the new look , although i would prefer them wearing campaign type trousers.
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: wonderer18 on 16 November 2010, 11:54:47 AM
I really do like the range i'am seeing ! Looking fab .Next little question when can we buy lots and lots................
Will chat to you at recon in December.

HEHEHEHEHE
Title: Re: 'First Look' Pics of the new Napoleonic Range!!!
Post by: Leon on 16 November 2010, 02:38:29 PM
Quote from: wonderer18 on 16 November 2010, 11:54:47 AM
I really do like the range i'am seeing ! Looking fab .Next little question when can we buy lots and lots................
Will chat to you at recon in December.

HEHEHEHEHE

We should have something ready for release at the start of 2011, and we'll see you at Recon!
Title: New Napoleonic French masters!
Post by: Leon on 19 December 2010, 12:44:48 AM
Here's the Chasseurs a Cheval - Officer, standard, trumpeter, and two trooper poses:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5044/5272092353_925ebb1909.jpg)

Title: Re: New Napoleonic French masters!
Post by: 17-21l on 20 December 2010, 11:13:49 AM
Got to be happy with these, they are FAB  :-[ , heres me thinking Id finnished my 10mm French BAAAAA  :'(
Title: Re: New Napoleonic French masters!
Post by: Gunhit on 28 December 2010, 11:11:31 AM
Nice figs, however, would prefer more variety with the horses if possible  ;)

Adrian
Title: Re: New Napoleonic French masters!
Post by: jfariahitech on 28 December 2010, 01:50:11 PM
Very nice figures.
Maybe I start to use 10mm for my Napoleonic games, instead of my oldies 1/72 figures!! :)
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: maciek on 26 January 2011, 01:47:19 PM
Quote from: Leon on 21 October 2010, 05:21:02 PM
Here's the back of them:
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1046/5102792528_37dc24dff7.jpg)
I'm afraid, your Poles wear wrong uniforms.
The tail of the coat shall be totally different. It's shown here:
http://napoleon.org.pl/plansze.php
Front of the coat also looks strange to me.
And if these lines above the knees are leggins (in the front view photo), I'm sorry, but they didn't wear it.
:(
Title: Re: Another batch of Napoleonic masters to tease you with...
Post by: Leon on 26 January 2011, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: maciek on 26 January 2011, 01:47:19 PM
I'm afraid, your Poles wear wrong uniforms.
The tail of the coat shall be totally different. It's shown here:
http://napoleon.org.pl/plansze.php
Front of the coat also looks strange to me.
And if these lines above the knees are leggins (in the front view photo), I'm sorry, but they didn't wear it.

That could be why the range was never completed?  I'm not sure, I'd have to check with Dave.  Hopefully the new Napoleonic range will expand to replace these older ranges.
Title: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Leon on 29 January 2011, 04:25:51 AM
It's been a while since we've had some masters to show off, so here's the next couple of codes for the French:

Dragoons:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5135/5397351246_72df6701cf.jpg)


Cuirassiers:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/5397352114_f4e0211532.jpg)
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Blaker on 29 January 2011, 04:27:08 AM
Cool Leon, the cavalry are designed for which period?
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Leon on 29 January 2011, 04:38:42 AM
Quote from: Blaker on 29 January 2011, 04:27:08 AM
Cool Leon, the cavalry are designed for which period?

The answers in the thread title....!   :D 8)

It's all part of the 1809 range we're working on.
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Steve J on 29 January 2011, 11:44:50 AM
Nice mix of poses on the Dragoons.
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Zbigniew on 30 January 2011, 12:02:42 PM
Very nice figs indeed  :-bd
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: maciek on 31 January 2011, 07:53:06 AM
I can't belive my eyes !
You've changed soome horses poses.
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: 17-21l on 31 January 2011, 11:48:53 AM
Hi- love the cav, I guess my Bde sizes are going to have to get bigger - vast amounts of cav to use. Can I request something?? - What about a standard Hussar? with dolman, pelise, plume in his shako - its just no- one makes a standard hussar - albiet MM do - but they look like dwarves on horseback!! Ive tried the old "risk" 10mm cav as they are 10 mm but they dont have the pelise  :(. These could cover every aspect of "odd" country hussars - German states - and make do for other nations. Any thoughts??
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Leon on 31 January 2011, 03:40:53 PM
Quote from: maciek on 31 January 2011, 07:53:06 AM
I can't belive my eyes !
You've changed soome horses poses.

All different poses, as requested!  We'll keep using a variety as we progress with the range.

Quote from: 17-21l on 31 January 2011, 11:48:53 AM
Hi- love the cav, I guess my Bde sizes are going to have to get bigger - vast amounts of cav to use. Can I request something?? - What about a standard Hussar? with dolman, pelise, plume in his shako - its just no- one makes a standard hussar - albiet MM do - but they look like dwarves on horseback!! Ive tried the old "risk" 10mm cav as they are 10 mm but they dont have the pelise  :(. These could cover every aspect of "odd" country hussars - German states - and make do for other nations. Any thoughts??

I'll make a note and have a look.
Title: New French Hussars!
Post by: Leon on 18 February 2011, 04:35:25 AM
These arrived today, so here's a quick pic:

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5220/5455365898_23d40a1509.jpg)
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: Nicofig on 18 February 2011, 05:49:40 AM
Very nice. Congratulations !!!
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: Blaker on 18 February 2011, 06:15:04 AM
very nice indeed, when can we order  :D
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: nikharwood on 18 February 2011, 07:32:41 AM
Excellent  8)
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Wkeyser on 18 February 2011, 08:51:19 AM
Just taking a second look they look great, however, not sure how many cavalry regiments took the standard into battle, I think none or very few indeed.

William
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: maciek on 18 February 2011, 02:36:49 PM
Three different poses of horses.
:-bd
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: Pruneau on 18 February 2011, 03:24:57 PM
Looking great!  I love the fellow with the trumpet!
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: Leon on 18 February 2011, 05:49:51 PM
I think March's Releases will be some of the WW2 stuff that's been shown recently, so the next lot of Naps may have to wait until April.  We'll have a look and see what we can get moulded.  There's only the 3 cavalry types in the drawer, so it's not much of a release Nap-wise.
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Blaker on 27 February 2011, 01:25:59 AM
Leon, are the NPF numbers 1 - 17 available for purchase?
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: Blaker on 27 February 2011, 01:28:27 AM
Ah yes but you have the masters!! thats a giant step forward  ;)

And I like the 3 poses for your horses - great job on the Hussars!
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: maciek on 27 February 2011, 06:16:10 PM
Quote from: Blaker on 27 February 2011, 01:28:27 AM
And I like the 3 poses for your horses
We all like this.
Title: Re: Napoleonic cavalry masters!
Post by: Leon on 28 February 2011, 12:45:24 AM
Quote from: Blaker on 27 February 2011, 01:25:59 AM
Leon, are the NPF numbers 1 - 17 available for purchase?

Yeah, they've been on the site since Jan 1st!   :D  They're listed as 1809 French.
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: 17-21l on 11 March 2011, 08:08:16 PM
Fab - love them, can you please stop making more Naps- my roof will collapse soon!!!!! - nar only kiddin.  Is there any more French Cav to be done? Carabaniers(sic) in helmets or Bearskins? and what nation is to be done after the Frenchies?? - eeeeeeee git lots of questions  ;) :D
regards
Title: Re: New French Hussars!
Post by: Leon on 11 March 2011, 08:55:41 PM
Quote from: 17-21l on 11 March 2011, 08:08:16 PM
Fab - love them, can you please stop making more Naps- my roof will collapse soon!!!!! - nar only kiddin.  Is there any more French Cav to be done? Carabaniers(sic) in helmets or Bearskins? and what nation is to be done after the Frenchies?? - eeeeeeee git lots of questions  ;) :D
regards

Austrians will be started next, hopefully in the next couple of months.

There's a full list of what will be done here: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1844.0 (http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1844.0)
Title: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Leon on 24 March 2011, 04:38:28 AM
First off is the Carabiniers:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5227/5554528931_9ea74dcc68.jpg)


And also the Guard Grenadiers a Pied:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/5554526129_ab79f90678.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: nikharwood on 24 March 2011, 08:43:39 AM
Those look great...

Note-to-self: you really don't need to be redoing your Napoleonics. No, really.
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: OldenBUA on 24 March 2011, 11:26:07 AM
Note-to-Nik; But they are very nice sculpts, and you would have them painted in a jiffy, and you know deep inside that you really want these, no?

;D :d ;D

Alex (who is very happy that he has no interest in Napoleonics whatsoever).
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: nikharwood on 24 March 2011, 11:32:29 AM
Alex mate, that's not helping  ;) ;D

Thanks though...
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: beeson17 on 24 March 2011, 12:51:18 PM
Wonderful!! Get them out to us yesterday!! ;)
I agree with Nic, all the Nappys are Great!! However we needed a lot more of the Cav. So Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: paintingdeamon on 24 March 2011, 02:21:49 PM
 :'( :'( whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy  damm those evil sculpters  :d

;)

yet more great stuff, my wish list is getting longer and longer :(
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 March 2011, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: nikharwood on 24 March 2011, 08:43:39 AM
Those look great...

Note-to-self: you really don't need to be redoing your Napoleonics. No, really.

You know you really want to, Old Guard, Dutch Guard........

even Grenadiers  for the Helvitains..

IanS (in the middle of refurbishing hos 15mm Nappys - give me tanks any day).



Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 24 March 2011, 04:01:17 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAArgh! Just finished 2 x 15mm Nappy armies and you show me THESE! Curses!
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 24 March 2011, 08:48:08 PM
Quote from: nikharwood on 24 March 2011, 08:43:39 AM
Note-to-self: you really don't need to be redoing your Napoleonics. No, really.

Oh no. No, no, no.

Hahaha. Re-doing them would surely be ridiculous. Out of the question. Perish the..

Or would it?  :-SS

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Bigfulsey on 25 March 2011, 11:27:42 PM
 ;D So lucky that I am just starting off with Napoleonics
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Blaker on 26 March 2011, 01:44:06 AM
Man, you are lucky - look at all of that 10mm Nappy Goodness coming our way  :D
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: Hertsblue on 26 March 2011, 07:39:21 PM
Great to see the Carabiniers in bearskin caps and not that namby-pamby white uniform they only wore for two or three years. Dare I say they'd also paint up nicely as horse grenadiers of the guard.  :D
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: commission on 26 March 2011, 07:47:11 PM
Oh Wow!
Looks like I am going to be selling the car after all.........

So how much will it cost exactly at a ratio of 1 to 1?

May be I should sell the wife's car first? :-w
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: nikharwood on 26 March 2011, 10:49:42 PM
Quote from: commission on 26 March 2011, 07:47:11 PM
May be I should sell the wife's car first? :-w

Ha - like that's even a real question  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Latest batch of Napoleonic masters!
Post by: commission on 26 March 2011, 11:14:07 PM
Quote from: nikharwood on 26 March 2011, 10:49:42 PM
Ha - like that's even a real question  ;) ;D
And thats a fact...... Accept that is, you ain't met my wife  >:(