'First Look' at the new Napoleonic French!

[von Winterfeldt]

@CATemWolde

Even as a skirmisher you would like to load your musket in a comfortable way which makes it easy for you, you could steer you car with your legs - but usually you would use your hands and arms.

As said before, in case the sculptor can do a musket between leg pose he could do a better one as well.

[Jim Ando]

He hasn`t got the right buttons either.

[Jagger]

I have really wanted to do Napoleonics in 10mm for quite awhile but I have been waiting for multi-pose.  Seems they are almost here!  I am sold.

[Aart Brouwer]

I have friends who were put off Napoleonics for good because of the eternal nit-picking among Napoleonic gamers about this or that detail.
I for one admire the craftsmanship of the models. Cast them and be damned, I say! 

Cheers,
Aart

[Luddite]

I have friends who were put off Napoleonics for good because of the eternal nit-picking among Napoleonic gamers about this or that detail.

Hear, hear.

Couldn't agree more.

I've been a wargame for more decades than i care to remember, and i consider that a difficult thing to claim as i have never collected, nor much played the Napoleonic era.

I've always avoided it precisely because of the inveterate nit-picking and pompous bluff od the average Napoleonic 'expert'.

That said, i do believe the point of contention revolves around this...

This clearly well practised chap reloads to the side, as per the drill manual illustrations.

OK.  But the thing i'd note is how much space he's taking up and how much movement in his body.  How wide the musket swings, etc.

So let's take a look at these chaps.

Very much more 'to the centre', and in formation seemingly far harder to reload.

Now add to that the stress and panic of being in battle with people trying to kill you, or your mates getting slotted right next to you...drill manuals be damned!!  Just get the damned thing loaded any way you can!!

That said, i guess you chaps as Pendraken may want to look at a rescult to 'get it right'?  It might put the purists off if they think the figures are 'wrong', or poor quality.

I for one however agree with Aart.

I for one admire the craftsmanship of the models. Cast them and be damned, I say! 

Cheers,
Aart

Couldn't agree more!  I can't wait for this range to finally hit the shelves and no doubt will be buying in bulk   

[Leon]

Cheers Luddite!

I spoke to the designer tonight about redoing the pose, so we'll try and sort something out.  It might be a small point, but if it's going to put off potential customers, then it's best to fix it.  He's going to be progressing with the march attack variations first, so it shouldn't be an issue for a while yet.

[Ben Waterhouse]

I've done 18th century re-enactment (I know, I know) and it is easier even when free firing at speed to load outside the legs as per the video above. It is a matter of balance and swinging a rather long bit of metal and wood around in close proximity to others on either side.

So I would like the pose to be as per Drill Manual if possible.

And It's more stylish that way...

[17-21l]

Damn all this waffle - get the lil blighters cast and damn the scurvy dogs who care on such trivial points as 'inside' or 'outside', Im just chuffed to NAAFI breaks that theyre on the horizon!!!!



God save the Queen

[von Winterfeldt]

A pity that is is seemingly impossible to discuss anything related to a pose without nit - picking.

[17-21l]

Here here!

[CATenWolde]

I wouldn't worry. So far as I can see, the comments were appreciated by Pendraken and they're looking into possible adjustments, following some natural double-checking of their own. That's a very open process, and I'm sure we'll see more of the same from what I've seen here on the forum.

Cheers,

Christopher

[Leon]

Right then, Dave's been busy over the weekend, and he's done a conversion on the loading figure to make it more accurate.  So here it is:



What are peoples thoughts on this one?

And also, could the original figure be used as a 'fixing bayonet' pose instead?

[CATenWolde]

Uhm ... (can't believe I'm saying this) ... isn't the musket stock supposed to be resting on the left side?

[Leon]

Uhm ... (can't believe I'm saying this) ... isn't the musket stock supposed to be resting on the left side?

   

If it is, then we'll have to get a fresh figure designed, as the way the arms are, we couldn't convert that ourselves.

[von Winterfeldt]

I hardly dare to say, but it sould be on the left side - still better than between the legs.

[CATenWolde]

With the arms where they are, I wonder if the original pose could be changed to a "priming the pan" position, holding the musket more or less horizontal from the chest. Look on page 2 of this thread, the top row of the manual illustration. Actually, between priming, ramming, and firing, I suppose all three basic positions would be covered. Given the scale, it could also represent a skirmisher waiting with a loaded musket, while his partner loaded, etc.

[Jagger]

I wonder if the original pose could be changed to a "priming the pan" position

Nice idea.

[17-21l]

I love this - we can use all these 'mistakes' as well, cor even more poses, I mean it would be a waste not to use the hard work the sculptor has done.

yuk yuk yuk

[Leon]

These arrived last week, but I haven't had chance to get them up.  They are the first lot of conversions from the French dollies we've put up previously, so let us know what you think!

Light infantry - march attack and firing:


Light infantry - command:


Mounted Officer and a Line/Light NCO:


In greatcoats - march attack and firing:


In greatcoats - command:


Mounted Officer:


Line Elite Company:

[nikharwood]

Grr...these look lovely...

I'm  cos I've already got Pendraken Napoleonics which I love...and can see myself doing more