Had a nice day yesterday at Derby and a long converstion with Dave about Pendraken dropping all other designs and concentrating on bringing out a modern range. :)
Actually this all started with me drooling over the rather excellent T55 and Centurion models that were on display. Absolutely bloody brilliant they are. Dave and Leon says they will bring out some Chinese and North Korean (?) infantry and that should get the ball rolling with the Korea conflict.
So to get the ball rolling I would like to request some 70s and 80s kit that the Falklands infantry will be able to used with.
1.British
Chieftain, FV432 (also with mortar and wombat), FV438, Ferret, Fox.
2. U.S.
M1, M113 and variants. U.S. infantry with M16 and M60. (will the Vietnam figures be OK?)
3. Soviet
T62, T64A and B, T80, T72, BMP1, BMP2, ZSU23/4 and infantry. Note that although a T72 is essential, the T72 is an export tank and in Europe was used mainly by Soviet satellites. The best Soviet formations used the T64 or T80.
I am trying to pick as few vehicles as possible to enable some war-gaming forces to be built.
Cheers, Rob :)
Chinese and North Korean Infantry??!!!!!!
Count me in!
Hmmm, the Chinese and North Korean infantry would be nice :).
Hi All
Quote from: Rob on 29 September 2013, 06:29:04 PM
Dave and Leon says they will bring out some Chinese and North Korean (?) infantry
Well if the infantry look like this:-
(http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/enemy/enemy-korea.jpg)
Then that could cover Manchurian, Mongolian and Northern Warlord for the 1920s to 1940s as well. Definitely interested. Might also cover Siberian WW2 as well.
(http://forum.axishistory.com/download/file.php?id=188261&sid=026fd907a516f027a2cd4ad28fb6c9d1)
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
You know what this means though? My Korean War will have to wait until the Chinese/North Koreans are out. My Centurions will have to stand idle until there is a suitable foe. :'(
Just buy a load of T-34/85s and have a tank-on-tank battle :D.
Agree on the Cent and T55. The Vietnam US stuff will pass up to about 86/7 when the Fitz Helmet was introduced.
As to vehicles - Leo I - used all and sundry, although there is reason why, and a turret upgrade for the M48 to give a 105 version.
A Merkava would be useful, and a BTR60/70/80 (earlier one better), as well as BRDM-2.
ianS
You are probably right about the BTRn Ian. The difficulty though given the pace that vehicles will come through will be to get a set where you can get two sides and have a game.
Cheers, Rob :)
Korean War infantry first and foremost. You can feed in vehicles as they become available. Other conflicts (Indo-Pak, Six Day War etc.) might be catered for by British or US WW2 figures. Let's face it, it's not all going to arrive in one glorious heap. :)
Absolutely. You can do the British in Korea with Centurions, Land Rovers, Carriers, 25pdrs and WWII Inf. The Yanks used Shermans and assorted WWII kit. You can use T34/85's and SU100's but we do need some Communist infantry.
Pleeeease! :D :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Hertsblue on 01 October 2013, 09:39:16 AM
Korean War infantry first and foremost. You can feed in vehicles as they become available. Other conflicts (Indo-Pak, Six Day War etc.) might be catered for by British or US WW2 figures. Let's face it, it's not all going to arrive in one glorious heap. :)
Quote from: fsn on 01 October 2013, 09:46:39 AM
Absolutely. You can do the British in Korea with Centurions, Land Rovers, Carriers, 25pdrs and WWII Inf. The Yanks used Shermans and assorted WWII kit. You can use T34/85's and SU100's but we do need some Communist infantry.
I agree chaps (although I am not so sure about landrovers in Korea) it is a quick win and should be done how you say. :)
However we also have the excellent Falklands Brits, the superb Scorpion/Scimiter vehicles and the Argentineans would double for 70s/80s Germans I think (?)
Cheers, Rob :)
Or even Canadians.
Quote from: Rob on 06 October 2013, 05:10:59 PM
I agree chaps (although I am not so sure about landrovers in Korea) it is a quick win and should be done how you say. :)
Land Rovers went into production in 1948, so they certainly existed. I've no idea whether or not they were used in Korea, though.
I seem to recall the MOD tried to make an equivalent, and it became the Austin Champ. Not sure if they ever saw service, though.
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Quote from: Rob on 06 October 2013, 05:10:59 PM
...although I am not so sure about landrovers in Korea.
"The Korean war started in June and British forces working within NATO took their Land Rovers with them and were very pleased with the results."
http://landroveraddict.com/features/2011/8/24/1950/ (http://landroveraddict.com/features/2011/8/24/1950/)
Quote from: Russell Phillips on 06 October 2013, 05:36:08 PM
Land Rovers went into production in 1948, so they certainly existed. I've no idea whether or not they were used in Korea, though.
I seem to recall the MOD tried to make an equivalent, and it became the Austin Champ. Not sure if they ever saw service, though.
The Land Rover Mk1 was used extensively in Korea and the Austen Champ was also sent in small numbers for evaluation. I drove one in 70s - it was a superb piece of kit - but not soldier proof and hard to maintain in the field.
My modest suggestion would be for a number of generic post war type figures - not far removed from what Peter Pig does in 15mm AK47 range- a few types in cap with rifles and smgs would be very useful - Have a look at Imex Republic of Korea plastics - that genre of figure- and expand a few more WW2 Commando figures - berets, cap comforters, Dennison smocks (yes- WW2 commandos wore them) with Thompson SMGs and Bazookas.
In Korea 41 Commando were issued with US equipment and uniforms - but naturally kept their green lids
With the new FOW 6 day war lists out maybe a few additions to the Pendraken range would open this up for 10mm T55 and PT-76 already in for the Arabs a Cent for the Isreali's and Jordan also some of the US WWII range will also do for the Isreali's.
Thinking of using late war Brit for Jordanian infantry and using American infantry for The Isreali
Sean
The only issue with that is anti tank weapons, mostly Belgian...
Apart from that I'm having the same idea...
Yes Lemmey
But most of the anti tank in 1967 was for both sides the Belgium RL-83 Blindicide bazooka. In 10mm this would be indistinguishable from the WWII US Bazooka's the Jordanian troops used the M20 super bazooka.
The Jordanian troops are Centurion tanks M113 and 25pdr and quad tractors the only thing I think they will need would be the M42 anti aircraft. For the Isreali's have Centurions M48a3s ( Magach range) M51 Isherman,M50 Sherman and M1 super Sherman. The M3 will have to have their guns mounted in the front windscreen and have their machine gun rings off. Their Artillery are M7 priests and 25Pdr and quad tractors also a M3 TCM-20 will need to be made.
For the ArabRepublic (Egypt) you can use the T34/85 or T54/55 or IS-3M will need to have some ZSU-57-2 made but then the infantry can travel in BTR-152 transporters and BTR-50PK the Artillery are the old 122 and 152mm WWII model howitzers.the self propelled company is the old SU-1100M from the WWII range
Quote from: Sean67 on 06 October 2013, 09:43:23 PM
With the new FOW 6 day war lists out maybe a few additions to the Pendraken range would open this up for 10mm T55 and PT-76 already in for the Arabs a Cent for the Isreali's and Jordan also some of the US WWII range will also do for the Isreali's.
Thinking of using late war Brit for Jordanian infantry and using American infantry for The Isreali
Sean
The SIX DAY WAR offers a lot of potential. As you rightly say Israel, Jordan ...and Egypt had the Cent. Jordan and Israel the Patton. AND the Sherman Firefly with a little modification to the turret counter weight can take the field as the M50. And the support company that accompanied the Paratroopers into Jerusalem was mounted in older versions.
Infantry is more of an issue. Most regular units of the IDF had the Uzi and the FN rifle. Reserve units still had the Czech Mauser.
American helmets had replaced British ones.
Israeli paras wore a mix of French lizard pattern /olive green uniforms and British jump helmets
How well would a dedicated range of Israeli and Arab figures sell in 10mm ?.
Sunray your correct :D
the Isreali's had changed over to the American Helmet and the Egyptian infantry had soviet style helmets,the Jordanian infantry used the English helmet I was going to use the WW2 American infantry for the Isreali infantry and WW2 British infantry for the Jordanian infantry. Painted in the right colours I think that the weapon issue will be missed ;) not sure if the WW2 soviet infantry would work for the Egyptians I think that if used I would have to try and use figures that do not have the greatcoat rolled up and round their shoulder.
I also think that a dedicated range would sell but not sure if it would sell enough to recupe the initial outlay.
Regards
Sean
Come to the Cent Side, my Pretties! Look deep into the 6 Day War and see that you really, really, really need Centurions!
They mocked me! They scoffed! But ultimately I will have my revenge when the Centurion becomes the best seller in the Pendraken catalogue!
:d :d :d :d :d
Now I am really beginning to worry about your current medication FSN..... :D ;).
Quote from: Sean67 on 07 October 2013, 10:57:39 AM
Sunray your correct :D
the Isreali's had changed over to the American Helmet and the Egyptian infantry had soviet style helmets,the Jordanian infantry used the English helmet I was going to use the WW2 American infantry for the Isreali infantry and WW2 British infantry for the Jordanian infantry.
Regards
Sean - would Argentine infantry with the FN be suitable for 1966 Israelis ? The WW2 Commando pack also has nice figures in berets.
Quote from: Sean67 on 06 October 2013, 10:25:23 PM
Yes Lemmey
But most of the anti tank in 1967 was for both sides the Belgium RL-83 Blindicide bazooka. In 10mm this would be indistinguishable from the WWII US Bazooka's the Jordanian troops used the M20 super bazooka.
The Jordanian troops are Centurion tanks M113 and 25pdr and quad tractors the only thing I think they will need would be the M42 anti aircraft. For the Isreali's have Centurions M48a3s ( Magach range) M51 Isherman,M50 Sherman and M1 super Sherman. The M3 will have to have their guns mounted in the front windscreen and have their machine gun rings off. Their Artillery are M7 priests and 25Pdr and quad tractors also a M3 TCM-20 will need to be made.
For the ArabRepublic (Egypt) you can use the T34/85 or T54/55 or IS-3M will need to have some ZSU-57-2 made but then the infantry can travel in BTR-152 transporters and BTR-50PK the Artillery are the old 122 and 152mm WWII model howitzers.the self propelled company is the old SU-1100M from the WWII range
Cheers big ears
Trying out a new designer with the BTR152, AMX13, IS3m, I'm looking at converting the jumbo sherman?????
Dave
Quote from: fsn on 07 October 2013, 11:31:30 AM
Come to the Cent Side, my Pretties! Look deep into the 6 Day War and see that you really, really, really need Centurions!
They mocked me! They scoffed! But ultimately I will have my revenge when the Centurion becomes the best seller in the Pendraken catalogue!
:d :d :d :d :d
The centurions are ready, unfortunately the bolt fell out of leon's neck ;D and he is off for a few days with a stiff neck. The lists ready
Dave
I have seen and worshiped the great god centurion.
IanS ;) ;) :D
Welcome Brother. Welcome.
;D ;D ;D
I MADE THE GREAT GOD CENTURION does that make me a great god ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: mart678 on 08 October 2013, 02:05:42 PM
I MADE THE GREAT GOD CENTURION does that make me a great god ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Doesn't that make you a Titan?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28mythology%29
;)
Quote from: mart678 on 08 October 2013, 02:05:42 PM
I MADE THE GREAT GOD CENTURION does that make me a great god ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No - just a very large
BANG a very long time ago.
IanS :D ;)
Sounds good to me
In the beginning there was plastic card and glue
And behold a Centurion was created
has all the makings of a new religion ;D ;D ;D ;D
Right then back to the topic :o
So how many think it would be feasible with a few additions to start a 10mm 6 day war range this would then only need a few additions to expand into Yom Kippur war the Arabs still mainly had T-55's but then had the addition of BMP1's and a few other exotic soviet equipments Isreal started using the M113 instead of the M3 but mainly kept the Centurians and M48's.
With the infantry by this time both Egypt and Syria were mostly kitted out in light Soviet order.
Regards
Sean
So, we need SOVIETS, :D
What do the NVA in Pith helmet look like?
Quote from: ianrs54 on 08 October 2013, 03:51:59 PM
No - just a very large BANG a very long time ago.
IanS :D ;)
I have stroked the great god :o and found it pleasing
Quote from: mart678 on 08 October 2013, 05:56:53 PM
What do the NVA in Pith helmet look like?
Think of black pajamas with pith helmet, traditional nva pith helmet (i would add picture but do not know how to!!!!)
Dave
ok
how about?
T62, T72 and T64 A&B T80 (modify the mbt's to do later variants Reactive Armour ETC)
BMP 1 (AT3) Sagger then modified to do other BMP 1 Variants
BTR 60 (open top) then modified to do the Variants
T55 Hull Modified into engineer vehicles
BRDM 2 then modified into other variants
optional
Bridging equipment and Helicopters if not Available in plastic
That would give you enough vehicles to do a game using Warsaw Pact
Yes please.
On that list I'd rather see the BTR60PB - by far the most common variant.
IanS
Hi IanS
If you make the open top version then its easier to turn that into a BTR60PB and the specialists variants
Martin
Quote from: mart678 on 08 October 2013, 08:54:10 PM
ok
how about?
T62, T72 and T64 A&B T80 (modify the mbt's to do later variants Reactive Armour ETC)
BMP 1 (AT3) Sagger then modified to do other BMP 1 Variants
BTR 60 (open top) then modified to do the Variants
T55 Hull Modified into engineer vehicles
BRDM 2 then modified into other variants
optional
Bridging equipment and Helicopters if not Available in plastic
That would give you enough vehicles to do a game using Warsaw Pact
Brilliant list. :D
I would add at least a ZSU-23-4 and if possible squeeze in a ZSU-57-2. You gotta have some air defence in modern conflicts. :)
And for balance a Conqueror as stable mate to the Cent.
A Chieftain and a Stillbrew/ROMOR Chieftain, and a Challenger, and an FV432 and a Saladin, and a Sarac.......... :o ;D
Aaargh stop me I am going out of control...... :'(
First vehicles would be a BTR 60, ZSU 57-2 need M113 this would open up the Arab Isreali war add a FV 432 this would the open up a 60-early 70 British Battlegroup then with the various 4232/113 variants. But T-72/80,BMP would not need to be done yet.
British kit is amply supplied with a FV 432 the later tanks do not need to be produced till later on but a chieftain would need to be produced to start bringing the list to more modern times.
Regards
Sean
We've been around this subject a good many times, like here:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7043.15.html
Seems to me that Mart is chafing at the bit, but Leon/Dave are holding back. Could it be time for another kickstarter like effort?
Martin - except the BTR-60 and BTR60PA are rare versions - the open toped version was out of service by 1970. It might be easier to do the PA and separate turret - used on BRDM and turreted SKots. That gives the PU's and PB's.
Cant see any call for the basic original.
IanS
Quote from: OldenBUA on 10 October 2013, 06:17:55 AM
We've been around this subject a good many times, like here:
http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7043.15.html
Seems to me that Mart is chafing at the bit, but Leon/Dave are holding back. Could it be time for another kickstarter like effort?
I see it a little different, I think it's probably more a matter of sculpt/design resources lacking to do the work rather than the will to do it. For the Mongol kick-starter it seems to me Phil was primed and ready to go as soon as it was approved. I'm not sure it would be helpful to do a kick-start if there is no one available to do the work.
All of the current sculptor/designers (I'm guessing) seem to be committed to existing plans and projects. So we have to be patient and wait for the resource to become free or hope Dave and Leon are able to get extra resource (Dave has said earlier he is trying somebody out on 3 modern vehicles).
In the mean time this thread is brilliant market research for Pendraken to gauge the level of interest. And gives us the opportunity to influence the order/direction of the forthcoming goodies. It is of course also frustrating because
I want modern tanks and infantry now! :'(
Tell me about it. I've been quietly and politely :-[ asking for a Centurion for about a decade and a half, and the most recent reason I can't order a dozen is because (I think I read this right) that the Dark Lord has been approving so much other stuff (LOA I'd guess) with ponderous nods of his magnificent head, that he's hurt his neck.
I think we may have to invent "A Very British Coup against Margaret Thatcher" as a period before we can get any more modern stuff. Actually, that could be quite fun: The Scargill Scottish, Ken Livingstone Lancers, The Red Robbo Rangers (light infantry 'cos they were issued British Leyland vehicles) ... :-\
Isn't "The Battle of Trafalgar 1984" scheduled to be a game at Smoggycon?
Too busy lazy to go look it up :)
FSN - bear in mind that unless it involves an obscure, cowardly, vicious unit lead by the prototype for Flashman, although a century earlier, and the unit wears very silly hats in an minor foreign war - YOU GOT NO CHANCE.
IanS
I HAVE SEEN THE CENTURION.
SO HAVE I!
I HAVE HELD IT AND DROOLED ON IT ???
It seems to me we have definite views on vehicles but are a little fluffy over the time periods or the wars to cover. :-\
The modern period (post WW2 to now?) has few major hot wars other than Arab v Israeli, and these were brief encounters as the Arabic side was never able to sustain a war after it lost the initial battles because they didn't make their kit and their main supplier was incapable of resupplying during these conflicts.
The other fascinating opportunity with the modern period is to "What-If" the periods. The periods I see as potential and realistic what-if periods are (without any of the why they would be interesting reasons):
Late 1945 East against the West:
It's what some of the Germans were hoping for. The reality was that the Soviet Union and the West were truly exhausted and incapable.
Mid 1950's and Korean War:
The reality was it was still too near the end of WW2 exhaustion
Late 50's Suez: Even the West wasn't united with the US stabbing France and UK in the back.
Early 1960s, Cuban missile crisis, Bay of Pigs, potential invasion of Cuba by the US being countered by the Soviets moving into West Berlin:
Joseph Stalin said at the close of WW2, "Wait 15-20 years and we'll go again" (or something like that) but he died and Mr Khrushchev was in charge. To me this is the nearest we ever have come to WW3. However, the certainty of a nuclear exchange made both sides shrink from the precipice (thank god).
Late 60's and Six Day War:
If the Arab states had had more staying power it might have escalated but they were destroyed very quickly.
Early 1970s and Yom Kippur War:
Oil crisis and the West in trouble. Personally I think this was the Soviet Unions best chance of winning an invasion of the West.
Early to mid 1980's:
No real reason for this period other than realistically it was the last time the Soviets would have the strength to attack.
1990's to the early 2000's Armageddon:
This whole period potentially could kick off with a Middle East/Iran/Pakistan conflict with any of the former East and West enemies getting involved. Basically an excuse to fight any modern army against any other.
My own personal favourites would be the early 60's and early eighties. Feel free to rip me to shreds here and come up with different timings. :(
Cheers, Rob :) :D
Quote from: Rob on 10 October 2013, 10:54:36 AM
I see it a little different, I think it's probably more a matter of sculpt/design resources lacking to do the work rather than the will to do it.
I may be mistaken, but I think it's also a matter of budget. Mart could have the time (and inclination) to start on this, but Leon/Dave rightly think that he should finish what they have planned first. After all, they're only going to pay him once. Maybe a kickstarter type thing could change this, as it would mean a bigger budget for the sculptors, if Pendraken is guaranteed a certain amount of new sales?
Then again, new sculpts aren't everything, as they also need master moulding, production casting and so on (are you listening fsn?) And we haven't seen the final result of the Mongol project, so it's probably too early to start another one right now anyway.
Also, the biggest problem with expanding the modern ranges is the vast scope. Many different wars, many vehicles, many variants. So I believe that any project should first limit the scope. Anything that builds on the existing ranges would be good, Korea (1950) and 6-day war being good examples. Early eighties need a lot more to fill the gaps.
Quote from: ianrs54 on 10 October 2013, 11:54:07 AM
FSN - bear in mind that unless it involves an obscure, cowardly, vicious unit lead by the prototype for Flashman, although a century earlier, and the unit wears very silly hats in an minor foreign war - YOU GOT NO CHANCE.
Prince Andrew Naval Brigade? Dressed by Fergie?
Quote from: OldenBUA on 10 October 2013, 12:24:52 PM
Then again, new sculpts aren't everything, as they also need master moulding, production casting and so on (are you listening fsn?)
I just want the Centurion to go into production so I can do some Korean war. Sorry.
Quote from: Rob on 10 October 2013, 12:15:45 PM
The modern period (post WW2 to now?) has few major hot wars
Why only major wars? There are all the conflicts associated with decolonization, in Africa and elsewhere. A good selection of modern Soviet kit and WW2 left overs will go a long way here.
WE could always do what they did for the Mongols ???????
I think it's all a matter of budget.
If they have the money, they'll find the sculptors and the time to cast (they can pay an extra).
I think a What-if-Hot-WAR in the 80's could sell (see Arma 2 video game) or ultra modern (ASTAN).
It's always the money. ;(
It is basically the money. We already throw around £10k per year into design and moulding, and it's quite a big chunk of our resources. We try and push more each month, but then there's nothing left to actually get a wage... :(
Another not-Kickstarter might work, but it would be more difficult than the Mongol one. Firstly, we'd need to decide on a period and what would need doing. Then we'd need to check that Mart had enough time at his end to produce the vehicles. If infantry are also required, then we need to make sure that Phil's got the time as well, and allow a longer length of time for things to be checked over and sent between the two of them (ie. guns by Mart need crew from Phil, etc.) And then finally, plastic masters require a low-temp mould, so they would need to be sent away, which then has a knock-on effect on when the finished item would be ready.
What would be the difference to Pendraken between not-kickstarting a mechanised army (e.g. 1980's Soviet) and not-kickstarting a pre-mechanised army such as the Byzantines?
I'm certainly up for doing some modern infantry types... ;)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: mart678 on 08 October 2013, 04:08:42 PM
Sounds good to me
In the beginning there was plastic card and glue
And behold a Centurion was created
has all the makings of a new religion ;D ;D ;D ;D
With FSN as the High Priest
Quote from: fsn on 10 October 2013, 05:46:14 PM
What would be the difference to Pendraken between not-kickstarting a mechanised army (e.g. 1980's Soviet) and not-kickstarting a pre-mechanised army such as the Byzantines?
Timescales, outlay and simplicity. For something like the Byzantines, we can do the research, put together the potential range list and off we go, same as we did with the Mongol one. For Modern stuff, it requires two designers instead of one, long discussions on which stuff is / isn't going into the range, and it all becomes more expensive. Plus there's a good argument that it's almost impossible to do a 'complete' modern range, even when focusing on a particular conflict.
Hi Leon thanks for the reply.
My thinking on 67-73 Arab isreali was that a lot of the vehicles can be got from your other ranges. I won't write them out again but both Arab and Isreali vehicles are pretty well covered. It would only be the Infantry mainly the Arab league and Syrian because they used Soviet equipment whereas the Jordanians used predominantly British Equipment.
Just a quick question the M3 with tilt does it have the benches inside or is it empty?
Regards
Sean
Quote from: Leon on 10 October 2013, 07:45:53 PM
Timescales, outlay and simplicity. For something like the Byzantines, we can do the research, put together the potential range list and off we go, same as we did with the Mongol one. For Modern stuff, it requires two designers instead of one, long discussions on which stuff is / isn't going into the range, and it all becomes more expensive. Plus there's a good argument that it's almost impossible to do a 'complete' modern range, even when focusing on a particular conflict.
Thank you.
Quote from: Sean67 on 10 October 2013, 07:56:15 PM
Just a quick question the M3 with tilt does it have the benches inside or is it empty?
It's got the benches in it.
Cheers Leon
So benches but no machine gun ring.
Regards
Sean
Hello All
Quote from: Techno on 10 October 2013, 06:27:40 PM
I'm certainly up for doing some modern infantry types... ;)
Cheers - Phil
I don't think we should go on endlessly about vehicles and tanks but just let Techno get on with the
Northern Warlord - ahem, Korean War Chinese and North Korean Infantry ??? ???.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Agreed.
That leaves us back at the first post. ;D ;D
@ FSN; other people may shamelessly prime you and set you off on a road of frustration and yearning for the perfect tank, but I wouldn't do that I only have your best interests at heart. :D
However I am not sure whether you know this but Centurion (bless its cotton socks :)) was not alone! It had a stable mate whose job was to act in an over-watch role similarly to the Firefly/Sherman relationship. It was called the Conqueror 8) and was to counter the nasty IS3s and T10s (T10! :o Nobody has mentioned the T10! :o).
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c2_1330189892 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3c2_1330189892) (Play loud. 50s version of a hard rock track I think :D)
There were not an awful lot made and it disappeared as soon as Chieftain appeared. :)
http://www.nationalcoldwarexhibition.org/explore/vehicle.cfm?vehicle=Conqueror (http://www.nationalcoldwarexhibition.org/explore/vehicle.cfm?vehicle=Conqueror)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conqueror_tank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conqueror_tank)
Cheers, Rob :)
I like the Conqueror. Always thought of it as a successor to my favourite tank, the Churchill.
First time I've seen it on film. As a child, I spent a lot of time in hospital and my parents brought me pressies when they visited. One of these was a tiny (3" x 3") book - Tanks Book 2 - the modern stuff: Centurion, Ontos, Amx dca, t10, Scorpion, Big Shot (?), FV432, LVTH6, Walker Bulldog, Chieftan and the Conqueror.
From these two books, I learned everything I know about tanks. The Conqueror is "British Tank: weight 65 tons: Max speed 21.3 mph: radius of action 100 miles: crew 4: introduced 1954: Armament - 120mm gun, 2 x 0.3" Browning mgs, 2 x multi barrel smoke dischargers."
Yes, I still have the books. Book 1 was WWII stuff.
Unfortunately the Conqueror never had a run out.
Got to stand in the turret of a Conqueror back in the early sixties. To a fourteen-year-old it was a steel plain with a telegraph pole stuck out the front.
However, as far as the Conqueror is concerned, a "run out" was probably a tad optimistic. A lumber just down the road was probably more realistic.
:)
British tank design at its best.
Considering that nobody seems to make any Russian/Soviet airborne stuff in 10-12mm, can I put in a request for a modest 1980's Afghanistan range? BMD1/2, BTR-D, 2s9 Nona, Desantniki and Afghan Infantry would be very, very nice!
Quote from: Rick on 08 November 2013, 11:58:18 PM
Considering that nobody seems to make any Russian/Soviet airborne stuff in 10-12mm, can I put in a request for a modest 1980's Afghanistan range? BMD1/2, BTR-D, 2s9 Nona, Desantniki and Afghan Infantry would be very, very nice!
A very sensible first post, if I may say so. ;)
And welcome to the forum, I hope you will have a pleasant stay.
Good plan Rick
Welcome Rick. I think your suggestions would have a number of uses.
As Senator BUA says (and as High Watcher of the Black Falcon he should know) that's a very sensible post. May I suggest you read a few of the threads and buck your ideas up? :P
Thank you for the comments and apologies for being far too sensible on my first foray onto the forum - it probably won't last, though! :D
It's probably only because I'm working on some Soviet/USMC vehicles in Resin at the moment and CBA'd to try to model them meself!! :P
Too sensible? Now there's a concept. Not sure anyone on this forum could define that. 8-} 8-} 8-}
Defining "too sensible?" I'll give it a go ....
"Not having imbibed sufficient alcohol to become insensible"
... how's that?
My turn
"Not having imbibed sufficient alcohol to become sensible"
I always thought that you should ignore 'not'.
At least I was always told that I only made sense
after a surfeit of alcohol. :-[
Chad
I would refer you all to the aphorism below. ;)