Guys....
This is as much to see if a complete and utter dork (ME) can follow simple instructions in regard to sizing the pictures 'properly'.. as it is to show how the Ancient Spanish are progressing.
I feel quite smug :> Not in regard to the models.... But I HAVE actually been able to follow my mentors !! (Thanks LOTS Meirion and everyone else !!....Took two goes, 'cos I was missing out a space !)
BUT 'I DUN IT !'..... :o :P
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP4589.jpg)
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP4591.jpg)
Please feel free to comment on the above, although as you'll be able to see, there's a fair old bit left to do ! (Arms, shields, spears/javelins etc etc.)
Top row are intended as the command group...Standard bearer...General...Musician.
Bottom row are two Lusitanian infantry.
I've not shown the two each of the Caetratus(i) or Scutarii yet....
Unless I'm completely mistaken these types of 'troops' appear almost identical apart from the size and shapes of the shields ??
Hands up... all those with computer eyesight as bad as mine who read Caetratus as something else....Think of a male singer with a VERY high voice !
Cheers - Phil.
like 8)
Looking great so far Techno! :)
Nice. Moving towards getting out of 15mm at this rate.
Beautiful work, probably a couple of the best photo resizings I've seen on the forum for a long while! ;)
Thanks all....
And thanks for your time and patience Meirion !.....I got there in the end....HUZZAH !! <:-P m/
(Easy when the penny finally drops !) ;) ;D
Cheers - Phil
Not at all my period but lovely detailed work all the same :)
Looking very nice there Phil!
:-bd
How cute with their little boots. 8)
Very nice indeed Phil, excellent work as usual.
I especially like the way you've snuck in a chaos warrior with tentacle arms :D ;)
What do you mean it's not :o
Seriously you are going to cost me a forte when I get back to my Arthurian/ancients campaign.
Cheers,
Kev
Excellent work as ever Techno.
I've got ask though; given the huge gaps in Pendraken's Ancients ranges, why do a minor power like Spain? :(
Quote from: Luddite on 26 September 2012, 07:23:25 PM
I've got ask though; given the huge gaps in Pendraken's Ancients ranges, why do a minor power like Spain? :(
The work on the Ancients ranges is currently mainly replacing and then a bit of addition where we can. With the Republicans and the Cathaginians done, the next logical step was to get the Spanish sorted out, maybe adding a few things as we go. Then we'll be heading north as we revamp the Gallic and Imperial Romans next. I've not planned any further than that, but we'll probably need to head backwards then, and hit the Greeks and Persians.
8)
Awesome work! I noticed that you follow the Angus mcBride paints in some of them, that´s awesome :D
Take a look at Europa Barbarorum Iberian units guide if you need more ideas.
http://www.europabarbarorum.com/factions_lusotannan_units.html
Is the idea to made Iberians, Celtiberians and Lusitanians?
Quote from: Phobos on 26 September 2012, 08:38:42 PM
Is the idea to made Iberians, Celtiberians and Lusitanians?
Yep, although I may not have told Phil that yet... :-[ :D
I've already talked him through some of them... :P
Ooooh...Ooooh...(Squeaks of excitement !)
Do I get to make some Celtiberians too ! (Can I ?....Can I huh ?)
I've got some 'ordinary' Iberians on the go....Just haven't posted them up yet.
And Lemmey has been mentoring me on those, 'cos he's a star !
Cheers - Phil
Anyone think he's...
A) Enjoying this too much?
B) Inhaled too many putty fumes?
C) Spent too long in the company of small people?
D) All of the above?
;)
looking very nice
Quote from: mad lemmey on 26 September 2012, 09:56:46 PM
Anyone think he's...
A) Enjoying this too much?
B.)Inhaled too many putty fumes?
C) Spent too long in the company of small people?
D) All of the above?
;)
D.....Though I reckon it's the fumes from the acetone I use to clean the putty from the dental tools rather than the putty itself. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Mmmmmmmmm acetone!
Do you have some idea in how to made the celtiberians? (Equipment, clothes, etc) There´s little known about them really...
Hi Phobos.
If these are on Leon's intended list for this range, I'll be using the reference(s) from Duncan Head's tome 'Armies of the Macedonian & Punic Wars.'
There's a nice (hopefully as accurate as can be surmised) line drawing done by Ian Heath which I intend to use as inspiration.
Cheers - Phil.
Looking good Phil 8)
Thanks again all.
The Celtiberians ARE on the list...HUZZAH !! :-bd
As well as Ian Heath's inspiration, Leon's sent me some links to some spiffy reference material and I'll pop up some piccies for feedback, once I've got to a certain stage.
Cheers - Phil.
That "minor power" was of central importance in the Punic Wars, and took the Romans centuries to defeat. They look great on the table, and I remember seeing them send rather a lot of Roman armies running. I'd say that they were of more than minor importance to our ancients-playing comrades.
So lured in by the new ACW and now trying to have me redo my spanish contingent of my Carthaginians! Thats plain mean. ;) Thay look chuffin great.
FK i've no doubt the Spanish and Celtiberian* tribes were important during their brief engagements with Carthage/Rome, and their use as allies. But even there, there were more important and prominent opponents and allies for both sides.
My point is, given the sparse nature of Pandraken's Ancients figure ranges, it seems odd to make these an early priority, above say (to pick out a few 'major powers')...
Assyrians
Babylonians
Hittites
Egyptians (Pharoic)
Greeks (Geometric to Hellenic, Spartans, Peleponesse, etc.)
Macedonians /Alexandrian Macedonian
Persian
Diadochi (Seleucid/Ptolemaic etc.)
Various period Romans
More promonent enemies of Rome (Egypt, Balkan, Gallic and Germanic tribes, Parthians, Sassanids, etc.)
And that's just Europe!
What about the Oriental armies like the Han and the Shang in China? The Yamato to Heian Period in Japan?
The Indian wars of the great Vedic period, or between the Mauryans and Kalinga?
Etc.
There's loads to do, and i'm certainly not complaining...Techno's done a lovely job as ever and these figures are very good! :D
It's just that i'd have though that in constituting an Ancients range, there are probably higher priority targets i'd have gone for thats all. :-[ ;)
Glad to hear that the next priority seems to be the Greeks though. Done right thay can be really morphable figures, capable of being used for all sorts nations, including early Romans and Etruscans when they fought 'Greek style'!
:)
*The ONLY legitimate use of the word 'Celt'. >:(
What's that saying about Rome and construction progress? :)
Gosh....
A question on the forum that I can actually answer ! ;) ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Spanish et al are the perfect next range as they were allies to BOTH sides during the Punic Wars, and will certainly be needed to finish off a Carthaginian army, so I'd say they were not a new range per se but an extension of Techno's work in the Western Med...
So are Gauls and the 'Celtic fringe' - now there is a phrase I'm sure Nik can do something with, seeing as it is a Friday and the Totty thread has been quiet a while! :P
Quote from: mad lemmey on 28 September 2012, 11:44:19 AM
So are Gauls and the 'Celtic fringe' - now there is a phrase I'm sure Nik can do something with, seeing as it is a Friday and the Totty thread has been quiet a while! :P
Leave it with me - back in a minute... :d
Nice pics Nic...though I am still not sure why whenever people want to see 'Celts' they stick up pics of Irish people as there is no proof there were any Celts in Ireland..Trinity in Dublin did DNA tests of Irish people some years ago and found no original 'Celtic' DNA at all
Quote from: Fenton on 28 September 2012, 09:19:44 PM
Nice pics Nic...though I am still not sure why whenever people want to see 'Celts' they stick up pics of Irish people as there is no proof there were any Celts in Ireland..Trinity in Dublin did DNA tests of Irish people some years ago and found no original 'Celtic' DNA at all
Yeah - don't blame my anthropology though, blame Google ;)
I've added some American Celts now, just for good measure ;D
What !
I've got to go back and look at that thread again.
How tiresome. ;) ;D
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 28 September 2012, 09:30:24 PM
What !
I've got to go back and look at that thread again.
How tiresome. ;) ;D
Cheers - Phil.
No-one's
making you Phil ;) ;D
No...True..
But I feel obliged because you've made the effort Nik.
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 28 September 2012, 09:33:06 PM
No...True..
But I feel obliged because you've made the effort Nik.
Cheers - Phil.
;D :D ;D
Quote from: nikharwood on 28 September 2012, 09:07:17 PM
Leave it with me - back in a minute... :d
That was worth it! :D ;D
Quote from: Fenton on 28 September 2012, 09:19:44 PM
Nice pics Nic...though I am still not sure why whenever people want to see 'Celts' they stick up pics of Irish people as there is no proof there were any Celts in Ireland..Trinity in Dublin did DNA tests of Irish people some years ago and found no original 'Celtic' DNA at all
But current thinking on what "Celtic" means focuses culture, art and language, its not really a racial or genetic identity as such. As far as I can recall the genetic similarities are greatest between the Irish and the Basques.
:D :-bd =D> drooling already my carthaginian army can't wait for them....they look great
keep up the good work Sean
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Actually the 'Celts' never existed, and the concept of 'Celtic' art or culture is invalid.
There never was a 'pan-European Celtic culture' traditionally expressed as such things as the 'La Tene' or Halstatt' cultures.
Its a complete myth.
The modern idea of a 'Celtic fringe' to Europe is also a modern myth, or rather a modern reactionary political 'cultural movement' that has led to things like the Welsh and Scottish Assemblies (although Mel Gibson's dreadful 'Braveheart' movie had a lot to do with the Scots thinking they have some sort of national past).
Which is why this stuff still matters of course, because people today use history for current purposes.
As i said above the only legitimate use of the term 'Celt' is as part of the Celtiberian tribal name.
[/thread derailment]
Just don't mention this too half the football fans in Glasgow!!
and the Rangers fans can keep laughing!!
Might also be worth mentioning ttat where we loose the term historically, we have gained it in a geographic and geological sense, the Celtic Sea, the area of water south of Eire, encompassing the area of the Atlantic that borders the English Channel, The Irish Sea and the Bay of Bisquay and one of my best mates's phd studies! It was only formed in the last ice ages, so relatively modern event, while the isles of scilly were one land mass!
Something that's always puzzled me is....
Why is Glasgow Celtic pronounced 'Sell-tick' and not Kell-tick.
Or is it Kelltick north of the border ?
Cheers - Phil
From Wiki -
Pronunciation of Celtic.
The initial consonant of the English words Celt and Celtic can be realised either as /k/ or /s/ (that is, either hard or soft ⟨c⟩), both variants being recognised as "correct" in prescriptive usage by modern dictionaries.[9]
The English word originates in the 17th century, taken from the Celtæ of classical Latin. Until the mid 19th century, the sole pronunciation in English was /selt/ in keeping of the treatment of the letter ⟨c⟩ inherited by Middle English from Old French and Late Latin. Beginning in the mid 19th century, Celtic revivalist and nationalist publications advocated imitating the pronunciation of classical Latin in the time of Julius Caesar, when Latin Celtæ was pronounced /keltai/. An early example of this is a short article in a November 1857 issue of 'The Celt', a publication of the Irish Celtic Union.
"Of all the nations that have hitherto lived on the face of the earth, the English have the worst mode of pronouncing learned languages. This is admitted by the whole human race [...] This poor meagre sordid language resembles nothing so much as the hissing of serpents or geese. [...] The distinction which English writers are too stupid to notice, but which the Irish Grammarians are perpetually talking of, the distinction between broad and narrow vowelsâ€"governs the English language. [...] If we follow the unwritten law of the English we shall pronounce (Celt) Selt but Cæsar would pronounce it, Kaylt. Thus the reader may take which pronunciation he pleases. He may follow the rule of the Latin or the rule of the English language, and in either case be right."[10]
A guide to English pronunciation for Welsh speakers published in 1861 gives the alternative pronunciations "sel´tik, kel´tik" for the adjective Celtic.[11]
The pronunciation with /s/ remained standard throughout the 19th to early 20th century, but the variant with /k/ seems to have gained ground during the later 20th century, especially among "students of Celtic culture".[12] On the other hand, the /s/ pronunciation remains the most recognised form when it occurs in the names of sports teams, most notably Celtic Football Club and the Boston Celtics basketball team.
The corresponding words in French are pronounced with /s/, and English Celtic was formed in imitation of French celtique. The corresponding German terms are Kelten and keltisch, not only pronounced as /k/ but even spelled with ⟨k⟩. This is a regular German treatment of names in Greek kappa, also observed in cases such Cimbri, Cimmerians, Cambyses, etc.[13] These spellings with ⟨k⟩ arise in the later 18th century. From the 16th to the early 18th century, the prevalent spelling in German was celtisch.[14]
The celt, a stone tool, has a completely separate etymology from Celt and Celtic. In English its sole pronunciation is /ˈsɛlt/.
Ahhhhh !
Ta - Phil.
Quote from: Luddite on 29 September 2012, 10:51:33 AM
[thread derailment]
Actually the 'Celts' never existed, and the concept of 'Celtic' art or culture is invalid.
There never was a 'pan-European Celtic culture' traditionally expressed as such things as the 'La Tene' or Halstatt' cultures.
Its a complete myth.
The modern idea of a 'Celtic fringe' to Europe is also a modern myth, or rather a modern reactionary political 'cultural movement' that has led to things like the Welsh and Scottish Assemblies (although Mel Gibson's dreadful 'Braveheart' movie had a lot to do with the Scots thinking they have some sort of national past).
Which is why this stuff still matters of course, because people today use history for current purposes.
As i said above the only legitimate use of the term 'Celt' is as part of the Celtiberian tribal name.
[/thread derailment]
Just to continue the threadjack! ;)
By coincidence I was listening to an old "In Our Time" about just this subject the other afternoon. Ok, so the episode is a decade old, but some of the ideas are definitely pertinent! There was also an episode about Druids last week, haven't caught up with that one yet though.
If you're not familiar with In Our Time, it's a Radio 4 discussion program hosted by Melvin Bragg, homepage here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl)
The BBC have recently made every episode recorded available, so the archives are well worth a browse.
The episode on The Celts can be accessed/downloaded from here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ioth/all (http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ioth/all) dated Thu, 21 Feb 02. Search for Celt on the page.
Druids here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/iot (http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/iot)
Cheers!
Meirion
It's all interesting Meirion.
And thanks Sean...I'd missed that one ! ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 27 September 2012, 09:27:54 AM
Hi Phobos.
If these are on Leon's intended list for this range, I'll be using the reference(s) from Duncan Head's tome 'Armies of the Macedonian & Punic Wars.'
There's a nice (hopefully as accurate as can be surmised) line drawing done by Ian Heath which I intend to use as inspiration.
Cheers - Phil.
Found that book on scribd, and it´s awesome. Any idea on where to purchase it? I find it on amazon, but the sellers didn´t made orders to Europe =(
Sorry Phobos.
Clibby lent me his copy, and I managed to find a second hand version for myself.
Do any of the sellers that are linked through Amazon send to mainland Europe ?....
Maybe you've found that out already that the answer's 'No' :-\ :-\
I think it's out of print (at least at the moment.)
Probably the only answer is to have a good 'surf'.....Unless anyone else knows different ??
Cheers - Phil.
I found it in Caliver Books, BUT, the version of Phil Barker and at 54 Euros... not for me.
I´ll keep searching for it.
PS: Any new pic of the miniatures? :D
I suppose that a new heavy/light cavalry is on the workbench too?
Quote from: Phobos on 01 October 2012, 01:10:19 PM
I found it in Caliver Books, BUT, the version of Phil Barker and at 54 Euros... not for me.
OUCH !!Quote from: Phobos on 01 October 2012, 01:10:19 PM
PS: Any new pic of the miniatures? :D
I suppose that a new heavy/light cavalry is on the workbench too?
More pics in a couple of days of so, with luck !
And yes.....The two 'groups' of cavalry are already on the go. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Is intended to be a celtiberian cavalry, an iberian cavalry, and a lusitanian cavalry too, or only one type "generic"?
Try this.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WRG-Armies-of-the-Macedonian-Punic-Wars-359BC-146BC-/310459891642?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item4848d9ffba
Well found Dave...
Hope Phobos spots that quickly !
Phobos.
At the moment I'd regard the cavalry that are 'on my list' to be relatively generic. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Thanks a lot Mexican Dave!!! (strangely, I search yesterday on ebay and didn´t find this)
About the cavalry, maybe with a variation in headgear it cover all the hispanic tribes.
Some photo's of the wips.
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP4595.jpg)
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP4596.jpg)
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP4598.jpg)
Hopefully....The top two rows are all but finished, apart from a little cleaning up and maybe a couple of little tweaks.
Top pic L/R..Standard bearer/Musician/'General' Caetratus x 2
Middle L/R....Lusitanian infantry x 2...Iberian Scutarii x 2
Bottom row....Intended to be.....Celtiberian Scutarii x 2....These guys need cloaks and some plumes on the helms...plus the spears of course.
What I'm not sure about are the shapes of the shields !!
I've seen some other models that seem to have what I could describe as this 'coffin lid' shape....Others where the sides are more rounded, rather than having a defined angle on the sides.....Let me know what you all think about this !
Next to the Scutarii are members of a Celtiberian warband....I may 'plume' one of these or leave then both 'plain'.
Comments/help welcome as usual. ;)
I've not got far enough with the cavalry to really make it worth while showing....Only one of the 'lighter' cavalry is anywhere near completion.
Cheers - Phil.
Looking great thus far Techno! I'll have a proper look later when I get home. :D
Stunning as ever Techno.
Celtiberian shields on a Roman coin
(http://www.ancientcoins.ca/RIC/RIC1/Augustus/RIC4b.jpg)
Iberians in Carthaginian service
(http://slinging.org/wiki2/uploads/Main/Iberians2.jpg)
Spanish 'scutarius'
(http://www.oocities.org/athens/acropolis/2100/images/gallery/spain01.jpg)
Mouth wateringly good Phil 8) :D
I'd say leave the Celtiberian warband figs in the last photo as they are with plain helm please.
Cheers,
Kev
These look great Techno.
Just as a matter of personal preference, I'd say chap on 2nd left on the middle shelf, waving javelin, could he be reposed to 'thrusting' over shield?
Never that keen on 'waving pole about' poses, unless it's a standard or something (and I'm sure the guy standing to his left would thank him for it)??
Quote from: mad lemmey on 10 October 2012, 06:44:47 PM
These look great Techno.
Just as a matter of personal preference, I'd say chap on 2nd left on the middle shelf, waving javelin, could he be reposed to 'thrusting' over shield?
Never that keen on 'waving pole about' poses, unless it's a standard or something (and I'm sure the guy standing to his left would thank him for it)??
Support this.
Cool, great stuff Phil.
Chap at bottom right, could perhaps do with his spear a round a bit towards his shield? Its a bit hard to tell from a single angle.
Quote from: mad lemmey on 10 October 2012, 06:44:47 PM
These look great Techno.
Just as a matter of personal preference, I'd say chap on 2nd left on the middle shelf, waving javelin, could he be reposed to 'thrusting' over shield?
Never that keen on 'waving pole about' poses, unless it's a standard or something (and I'm sure the guy standing to his left would thank him for it)??
Will do Lemmey/Phobos....Teach me not to tweak a strange pose from the book !! ;D ;D
Quote from: fred 12df on 10 October 2012, 07:09:22 PM
Cool, great stuff Phil.
Chap at bottom right, could perhaps do with his spear a round a bit towards his shield? Its a bit hard to tell from a single angle.
Yep....I'll have a play with that one Fred....Looking at that one more closely, it
doesn't look quite right.....I might try to put the base of the spear just inside his leading foot, rather than behind it....Think I can get away with that without him looking as though he's likely to trip over the spear.
I'd make it a thrusting pose, if it weren't for the fact that his chum is doing that already.
Cheers - Phil.
The right hand of the first of the second line seams suspect...
Probably because he's chucking something that's so fat compared to what it would be if it could be scaled 'properly' B..
But I'll have a check.
Cheers - Phil
Should there be a slinger or two in this range?
Not sure if the plan is to get some of the 'Carthaginians' to volunteer for this duty. :-\
Otherwise it would be the work of moments to tweak those.
Up to the man !
Cheers - Phil.
New slingers for carthaginian range?
I understand the problem on the hand.
If you try to take this pose, you'll see that the hand cannot be like that... ;)
I've given it a tweak ..(It was as much the forearm/wrist being iffy, as it was the hand)....But I'm not convinced it looks quite right even now.....Hey Ho....
I'll give it another go on Monday. ;)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 10 October 2012, 10:33:51 AM
Bottom row....Intended to be.....Celtiberian Scutarii x 2....These guys need cloaks and some plumes on the helms...plus the spears of course.
What I'm not sure about are the shapes of the shields !!
I've seen some other models that seem to have what I could describe as this 'coffin lid' shape....Others where the sides are more rounded, rather than having a defined angle on the sides.....Let me know what you all think about this !
Let the "coffin shape" ones, I love them. Personally, I suggest to use it in all the celtiberian infantry. In fact, seeing the "roman penal legionaries" on the book (Holy Book, for me) looks very similar to the celtiberian Scutarii :D
That coin is from Augustus era, and afaik, Augustus didn´t fight celtiberians, but astures and cantabros, galaic peoples of the north of the peninsula.
And Btw, after a population genetics research (in 2009, iirc) the nearest group related to the basques, was a group of tribes south to the Atlas.
We want more pics!
This genome research is turning up some fascinating things. Did you known that north of the Danelaw they're overwhelmingly Scandinavian to this day, while south they're still Germanic? That even after 1, 300 years Bohemians are Celtic but Moravians Slavic? And apparently one European in three may be calling the wrong man father?
Quote from: O Dinas Powys on 29 September 2012, 07:27:57 PM
Just to continue the threadjack! ;)
By coincidence I was listening to an old "In Our Time" about just this subject the other afternoon. Ok, so the episode is a decade old, but some of the ideas are definitely pertinent! There was also an episode about Druids last week, haven't caught up with that one yet though.
If you're not familiar with In Our Time, it's a Radio 4 discussion program hosted by Melvin Bragg, homepage here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qykl)
The BBC have recently made every episode recorded available, so the archives are well worth a browse.
The episode on The Celts can be accessed/downloaded from here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ioth/all (http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/ioth/all) dated Thu, 21 Feb 02. Search for Celt on the page.
Druids here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/iot (http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/iot)
Cheers!
Meirion
By further coincidence, it was Hannibal on In Our Time a fortnight ago! Key pertinent facts that I remember off the top of my head: by the latter stages for the campaign up to half Hannibals' troops were Spanish AND you're going to have to redo the elephants :D
Cheers!
Meirion
Redo the elephants? why?
Quote from: Phobos on 25 October 2012, 12:13:04 PM
Redo the elephants? why?
In the program it was said that the majority of the Carthaginian elephants were the African forest species - especially towards the end when they were relying on untrained elephants (and Carthage is regarded as the reason for the species' extinction) - whilst the new sculpts are Asiatic elephants.
It's also a bit of a joke between Techno and myself ;)
There is a some of discussion about the provenance of Carthaginian war elephants in the original WIP thread.
Cheers!
Meirion
I see the techno´s elephants very close to loxodonta cyclotis pics, imho.
Quote from: Phobos on 25 October 2012, 02:56:42 PM
I see the techno´s elephants very close to loxodonta cyclotis pics, imho.
For me it's the ears: they're much to small for
Loxodonta spp, which should reach back to shoulder; and the height:
Loxodonta cyclotis is a lot shorter from what I can gather.
Tweaks and some finishing off.
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP4609.jpg)
Excuse the dreadful contrast.....
Some cavalry in a minute or two.
Cheers - Phil.
This would have been/was a pic of some cavalry....
But it was SO awful, I'll take it again tomorrow, when my eyes have finally decided that they'll focus properly again. :'(
Cheers - Phil.
Nice.
Quote from: Techno on 26 October 2012, 01:37:10 PM
This would have been/was a pic of some cavalry....
But it was SO awful, I'll take it again tomorrow, when my eyes have finally decided that they'll focus properly again. :'(
Cheers - Phil.
I did see it! I really did! I quite liked the 'poodle' on the right. 8)
Just kidding Phil. They looked like quite good sculpts, even the you-know-what. Just not a very good pic.
And the duck that had been eaten by a crocodile ? ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Is it me or do the ancients look really aged? :-\
2000 years perhappes ?
ianS :-*
Quote from: Techno on 26 October 2012, 09:04:12 PM
And the duck that had been eaten by a crocodile ? ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Yeah, that one as well. It wasn't finished though, was it?
No.....It needs to go and have some teeth fitted.....and some legs would probably be useful ! ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil
Well, if it's a floating croc, it wouldn't need any, would it? So you could do a 'waterline' model of one.
(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/nightowlza/nightowlza0704/nightowlza070400015/852909-crocodile-floating.jpg)
Cavalry pic? :D
I'm re-doing bits of those Phobos....So sometime soon (I hope ! ;))
Cheers - Phil
Better late than never !
Mega rush jobs getting in the way !! ;)
(http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k611/technodestructorman/IMGP4649.jpg)
L/R Heavy cavalry 1,2,3....'light' cavalry 4,5,6.
May have to tweak these after Leon has them 'in his hands'....I've had to do some nasty infills behind the large shields on the heavy cavalry, which I'm not too sure about.
Cheers - Phil. (Who's thinking about a change in career, as the Chelsea manager's job is free again, and I must be one of the few people who hasn't had a go yet. ;))
LOVELY job Phil!!!
The Heavy Cavalry have a command group also?
Thanks Phobos ! :)
Errrr.....
The 'heavy' group aren't on my list for a command group as I write.
You'll probably have to twist Leon's arm......Maybe some quick conversions once the above have been cast up ? ;)
Cheers - Phil.
No mounted command? strange! But they are still great!
Quote from: Phobos on 21 November 2012, 03:54:43 PM
The Heavy Cavalry have a command group also?
Quote from: Techno on 21 November 2012, 04:04:34 PM
The 'heavy' group aren't on my list for a command group as I write.
There was a standard on the list for the lights, but I've just checked for the heavies, and I'd only sent Phil a note saying 'as above' which was probably rather vague! :-[ If one of the spears could be converted into the standard, that'd work? And then we'll have to look at converting one of the heavy helmets into a General's one instead.
Quote from: Leon on 21 November 2012, 07:00:53 PM
There was a standard on the list for the lights, but I've just checked for the heavies, and I'd only sent Phil a note saying 'as above' which was probably rather vague! :-[ If one of the spears could be converted into the standard, that'd work? And then we'll have to look at converting one of the heavy helmets into a General's one instead.
Yep, of course that works :D
The general with falcata could be? pleaaaaase? :D
We'll do a separate General figure for the range, so it'll be an officer-type with the heavy cav. Have you got any good pics for a Spanish general?
:-\
Wow, difficult question... Archeology and sources didn´t give too much hints about the look of ancient Iberia chieftains and kings, but I could give some ideas...
These are two of the 16 missing celtiberian/iberian helmets found in Botorrita, most of the experts think that they´re from a royal entombment.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Y5ytAULIFhc/T29e6aUjqzI/AAAAAAAALb0/bySJ4sk5-gg/s1600/96012.jpg)
(http://www.twcenter.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=234931&d=1343854492)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-hewLI6LKYtE/T29e6tZ_pcI/AAAAAAAALb8/sK11rinu2is/s1600/81556_e.jpg)
These two are two interpretations of the same source, the wolf-headed pectoral statuette.
(http://scahms.kitmaker.net/photos/news/6399/1.jpg)
(http://www.andrea-miniatures.com/fotos/andrea/Serie-General/detallegran/SG-F53-02.jpg)
Romand and greek sources don´t regard the iberians so luxurious as the gauls, son maybe they´ve been more humble in their appearence. In resume, I think that a chieftain or iberian king would not be so different from an elite warrior of his troops, maybe with a more ornamented helm and shield, and a cloak.
Thanks for the pics, I think those first helmets would be rather difficult to cast! :D
The other type looks the same as the one Techno has put on the light cav officer, so we'll go with something like that I think.
8)
Heavy cavalry could have a Wolf standard? Wolf are magical beast in ancient Spain, creatures of the underworld, and sign of war and death.
:-\
Maybe ;).....I'll see what I can do....But no promises.
Cheers - Phil
Btw Techno. How do you made the heavy cavalry shields?
Well.
The easiest way would be for me to make just the one....send it off to Leon and have him cast me a few in metal.
But.....To cut out any delay though the post etc, I (again) just make the one 'flat' shape out of a mix of ProCreate and Magic Sculp on a piece of plasticard....and let it thoroughly set.
Without removing the set 'shield' from the plasticard, I'll 'paint' a tiny amount of something like 3 in 1 Oil onto the shield shape and a little way around it as well.
Next stage....Mix up a small quantity of green stuff and press it firmly onto the shield and the surround.
Once that's set, I can peel the green stuff away.....and in the green stuff I've got a nice little flat mould.
To make the next shield...I'll again use the oil as a releasing agent and fill the flat cavity with some more Procreate/Magic Sculp mix.....
Let it set....and just pop it out of the green stuff mould....This can be done again and again if you're careful.
I'll sometimes need to neaten up my 'casting'...sanding a tiny bit off here...adding a tiny bit of putty there....But it only takes a few minutes.
Once I've got my 'flat shield' shapes I can use green stuff to make the 'boss'.
As far as making the original shape is concerned....If that's what you were meant....I tend to do those by 'eye'.
I'll look at a reference picture of the size and shape of the shield....
Let's imagine the shield is portrayed as going from around the heel to the shoulder on a warrior.
I'll use a pair of dividers (I think they're called) to measure against the appropriate size against one of Leon's dollies.
I'll then use the dividers to mark the piece of plasticard on which I'm going to make my 'master' shield....Then, as I say above, I tend to do it freehand, by eye.
I hope this makes sense !
I seem to made it sound far more complicated than it actually is !! ;)
Once I get on to some slightly (from a sculpting point of view) 'more complex' shields next year....I'm going to make sure I've got hold of some of the 'Instant Mould' as mentioned in Michael's wonderful 1809 blog !!
Cheers - Phil.
Thanks a lot! I used to think that you made it with slices of plastic rods, at least for the round shields.
Quote from: Phobos on 10 December 2012, 12:38:37 PM
Thanks a lot! I used to think that you made it with slices of plastic rods, at least for the round shields.
Plastic wouldn't work in a
normal vulcanizing press, unfortunately Phobos.
It would get too hot and melt ! ;)
Although there
are low temperature rubber moulds available, it's always safer (from my point of view) to assume whatever is being pressed, needs to be made out of one, or more, of the 'normal' putties used for making the models.
There's no reason NOT to do as you suggest....if you were doing some conversions for your own troops.
Cheers - Phil.
Really like that helmet, but it looks to me like the "horns" on it are actually flat and maybe used to hold some kind of feathers or crests?
Dinas Powys wrote
QuoteActually the 'Celts' never existed, and the concept of 'Celtic' art or culture is invalid.
There never was a 'pan-European Celtic culture' traditionally expressed as such things as the 'La Tene' or Halstatt' cultures.
Its a complete myth.
The modern idea of a 'Celtic fringe' to Europe is also a modern myth, or rather a modern reactionary political 'cultural movement' that has led to things like the Welsh and Scottish Assemblies (although Mel Gibson's dreadful 'Braveheart' movie had a lot to do with the Scots thinking they have some sort of national past).
Which is why this stuff still matters of course, because people today use history for current purposes.
As i said above the only legitimate use of the term 'Celt' is as part of the Celtiberian tribal name.
I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. There were certainly differences among different Celtic tribes, but it was the Greeks and Romans who first talked about Celts, not people in the modern era looking back. If you're going to say Celts don't exist then neither would Celt-Iberians as they were also a variety of tribes with varying customs. Celts shared the same language (though different dialects) and religions and were a culture the same as Hellenistic culture.
The Celtic fringe isn't a myth either, as Romano-British and earlier Celtic culture survived most in Wales, Scotland and Ireland as these were the areas that Anglo-Saxon invaders never fully conquered (though of course Viking invasions did affect them all later). Braveheart was certainly historically inaccurate on many things - and medieval and dark age history should not be brought into the independence debate - it's irrelevant to it - but to say that Scotland didn't exist as a nation historically is just plain factually wrong - there was a Kingdom of Scotland from the 12th century at the latest and possibly from the 9th (though the latter is debatable). Braveheart may be wrong on many points but on the existence of the Kingdom of Scotland and the Wars of Independence against England, it is not wrong. Those are historical facts, even if the wars were often as much civil wars among Scottish rivals for the throne as they were wars between England and Scotland.
Quote from: Dunnadd on 02 April 2013, 02:36:46 PM
Dinas Powys wrote
Just for the record, as a Celt and father of four Celt-Iberians, it was Luddite wot wrote it :P
Cymru am byth! :D
Cheers!
Meirion
Right - sorry - my mistake :)
Phil I love them can't wait to get my paws on them, trouble is i can only stretch to a few thousand figures ;D i'd also like to grab ya gauls (oooo no missus, for the frankie howard fans ;)} all look great in my Carthaginian army.
Have a great week all
Sean
Quote from: Dunnadd on 02 April 2013, 04:54:14 PM
Right - sorry - my mistake :)
No problem, just my academic OCD kicking in ;)
Quote from: seano1815 on 07 April 2013, 09:38:15 PM
i'd also like to grab ya gauls
Sean
I'm doing them.....I'm doing them now (along with the Falkland's bods).
Think I'll change my moniker from 'Techno' to 'Hymnbook'.....Geddit ?
Cheers - Phil.
Just for our information, when it´s the ancient spanish range going to be released?
Quote from: Phobos on 23 April 2013, 09:13:20 PM
Just for our information, when it´s the ancient spanish range going to be released?
I'm looking at June or July at the moment, there's still some sculpts to come from Techno, and then we need to get them all moulded up and into the release schedule.
8)
Any sign of my 1866 Austrian artillery riders yet? :-B
Quote from: Leon on 23 April 2013, 09:35:26 PM
I'm looking at June or July at the moment, there's still some sculpts to come from Techno, and then we need to get them all moulded up and into the release schedule.
8)
I hope it s gonna be released in June :D
Quote from: Hertsblue on 24 April 2013, 08:51:22 AM
Any sign of my 1866 Austrian artillery riders yet? :-B
They'll be in the post to Leon in the next day or so Ray....They should be at Pendraken Towers by the end of the week, along with Quazar and Chad's 'bods'...And
lots of other stuff !! ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Any chance of see the whole range together? :D
Again these look great and are now on the DBA radar :D.
When are they gonna be released?
Quote from: Phobos on 23 July 2013, 12:50:09 PM
When are they gonna be released?
They've all been master moulded, and I've spun off a big pile of them ready for production moulding. I don't think they'll make it into the August batch, so I might see if we can do a separate release for them during August sometime.
8)
December and no news about Ancient Spanish or Gauls...?
Quote from: Phobos on 04 December 2013, 06:12:23 PM
December and no news about Ancient Spanish or Gauls...?
:-[ :(
Completely my fault, we're just too busy to get the production moulds done at the moment.
The extra one you asked me to do, will be in the post in the next day or so Leon :)
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 04 December 2013, 06:57:07 PM
The extra one you asked me to do, will be in the post in the next day or so Leon :)
Cheers - Phil.
Excellent!
8)
And the other 'wossnames' you asked for. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 04 December 2013, 07:01:31 PM
And the other 'wossnames' you asked for. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
:-bd
Armoured wossnames, or wossnames advancing with leveled pike?
No armour....No pikes....No clues. :P ;D ;D ;D
Cheers - Phil.
No armour....No pikes....No clue
It's 10mm forum members then ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :d
Quote from: Ithoriel on 05 December 2013, 08:00:39 PM
No armour....No pikes....No clue
It's 10mm forum members then ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :d
What makes you so sure I don't have armour?
Mollinary
Anyone read Boswell's journals recording his life in 18th century London? He was usually careful to armour his wossnames; repeatedly describes his encounters with casual wenches with the words "had her in armour".
This armour had specially built-in trapdoors, then?
Nah. Euphemism for a condom.
Behave yourself, or I'll forget to put the crocodile in the next package going up to Leon. :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
Quote from: Techno on 06 December 2013, 11:06:48 AM
Behave yourself, or I'll forget to put the crocodile in the next package going up to Leon. :P ;)
Cheers - Phil
I'm being punished for the lax morals of a man who died several centuries ago!
;D ;D ;D
And every army needs a General of course:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5547/11958599096_16452b4198.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/11958599096/)
8)
Quote from: Leon on 15 January 2014, 03:43:59 AM
And every army needs a General of course:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5547/11958599096_16452b4198.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pendraken/11958599096/)
8)
:)
Now I know why virtually every Pendraken horse has an umbelical coard of lead that I have to cut off. I had thought it was a mooulding chanel - but its how Phil holds his master to the base
Very nice. <:-P =D> :-bd
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 15 January 2014, 06:29:05 AM
:)
Now I know why virtually every Pendraken horse has an umbelical coard of lead that I have to cut off. I had thought it was a mooulding chanel - but its how Phil holds his master to the base
It is
really a moulding channel....But, in this particular instance, it did make things a bit easier, so I was glad it was there.
Cheers - Phil
Very nice General, Phil 8)
Love the design of the general. Horse again, something not right about it, though its legs are a big improvement on older versions (maybe it just looks strange because the legs are in green putty and the body in metal?) , but then if i attempted it myself likely no-one would know what it was meant to be at all.
Hi D.
It probably does look a tad strange with the mix of putty and metal......But at some stage I'd like to bully Leon into allowing me to make some more gee-gees.....or at least give some of them a tweak. ;)
Cheers - Phil.
Quote from: Techno on 19 February 2014, 10:26:31 PM
It probably does look a tad strange with the mix of putty and metal......But at some stage I'd like to bully Leon into allowing me to make some more gee-gees.....or at least give some of them a tweak. ;)
Go for it, always good to have more variety!
:-bd
Any news when these will be released... would really like to buy lots...
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 09 June 2014, 01:55:38 PM
Any news when these will be released... would really like to buy lots...
I've actually been getting them ready for production moulds this weekend, so they shouldn't be far off. Once we get past Phalanx next weekend we're hoping to get a lot of the outstanding masters finally released and ticked off the 'To-Do' list.
8)
:-bd
If that includes the Gaul's as well I may be somewhat poorer
:-\ and Picts! :D
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 09 June 2014, 03:28:41 PM
:-bd
If that includes the Gaul's as well I may be somewhat poorer
His what?
that use of punctuation is allowed in Shropshire's :P
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 10 June 2014, 01:42:53 PM
that use of punctuation is allowed in Shropshire's :P
Shropshire's what prey tell ?
IanS :D
Shropshire's is Shropshire's
(hell I've lived here all my life - apart from a stint at uni - and I struggle understanding some people in my own village)
Munna say wunna it's no right, tunna say shunna it's no polite!
Arr!
As Frank Jones of Bishops Castle used to say!
Two words Matt: Dunny Locke!
QuoteMunna say wunna it's no right, tunna say shunna it's no polite!
Arr!
As Frank Jones of Bishops Castle used to say!
Two words Matt: Dunny Locke!
Case in point ;D
Bishop Castle is not far up the road from me and I haven't a clue what you are on about!!!!
A while back when we first moved to the village my wife was at the bus stop waiting for the kids when a unmanned pony and trap flew by and careered up the road followed by a local farmer who said 'Arra eh az u sin a peony and that cum by ere and not long a waaza a day ar'. We were both brought up not far away from here but we both knew we weren't in Kansas anymore.
Dunny Locke was a local legend in the 80s, deaf/dumb but not mute! Used to walk everywhere screaming, looking for work for cash.
Regular round Clun and BC.
That quote of yon made perfect sense! I always thought people from Pengwern sounded too much like Brummies! People from Wem & Ellsemere, whole other country!!!
Almost one year later... still no Ancient Spanish? :'(
Quote from: Phobos on 10 June 2014, 08:54:14 PM
Almost one year later... still no Ancient Spanish? :'(
Quote from: Leon on 09 June 2014, 03:04:33 PM
I've actually been getting them ready for production moulds this weekend, so they shouldn't be far off. Once we get past Phalanx next weekend we're hoping to get a lot of the outstanding masters finally released and ticked off the 'To-Do' list.
8)
;)
I believe an "unmanned pony" is known as a gelding.
Correct....But we know what he meant. ;)
Cheers - Phil
I'm not convinced he does! ;D