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Title: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Rothgar68 on 14 August 2012, 01:28:24 PM
Some new ECW mounted command would be nice. I painted up the 2 lobsterhead poses last night and they need some work. The horses aren't even the same size as the Cav w/helmet.

It would also be nice to have another general or 2 and another officer or 2. Possibly, some personalities, or a dog to make a Rupert command base. :)

Keep up the awesome work Leon!

Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 14 August 2012, 01:33:14 PM
Quote from: Rothgar68 on 14 August 2012, 01:28:24 PM
Some new ECW mounted command would be nice. I painted up the 2 lobsterhead poses last night and they need some work. The horses aren't even the same size as the Cav w/helmet.

It would also be nice to have another general or 2 and another officer or 2. Possibly, some personalities, or a dog to make a Rupert command base. :)

Keep up the awesome work Leon!



Seconded. The lobsterheads are too small and cleary need some work. A couple of new generals would be very welcome as well.

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: republic of tolworth on 14 August 2012, 02:10:57 PM
Agreed, foot are nice, but cav could do with a bit of a revamp.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Techno on 14 August 2012, 02:17:26 PM
Sorry to be an ignoramus (yet again) :-[....What sort of dog ?
I'm trying to make a generic canine dolly, which can be used to make some different breeds if required.
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: kustenjaeger on 14 August 2012, 02:25:48 PM
Greetings

Quote from: Techno on 14 August 2012, 02:17:26 PM
Sorry to be an ignoramus (yet again) :-[....What sort of dog ?
I'm trying to make a generic canine dolly, which can be used to make some different breeds if required.
Cheers - Phil.

A poodle - there are a few woodcuts but no painting to be sure what he (Boy) looked like.

Regards

Edward
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 14 August 2012, 03:13:14 PM
Just to clarify further - Boy was a FULL SIZED poodle, one of the BIG ones.

IanS
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: GordonY on 14 August 2012, 03:13:41 PM
He was apparently a VERY large poodle, think hunting dog rather than lapdog.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Techno on 14 August 2012, 03:25:44 PM
Thanks Edward....
And Ian and Gordon who've posted while I was typing
I might try making a couple more 'dollies' of differing sizes...Depending how the MkII goes.
Mk I dolly was way too big.

I'm doing these 'for fun' rather than anything else though, so it might be a little while. ;)
Trying a Doberman size one first.

:-\....Aha !...From what's been mentioned THAT might just be OK with some tweaks on a metal master
If Leon wants to produce a few, he'll be more than welcome to them.
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 14 August 2012, 03:31:34 PM
Sheep dog and sheep?  ;D
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 14 August 2012, 03:37:07 PM
He was a HUGE poodle, he was. Rupert rode on his back when he crossed the Andes. Sadly, Boy died with the coastline in sight.

Generations of Indians have worn poodle hair coats in winter, called boychos. :>

:^o

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Rothgar68 on 14 August 2012, 04:34:01 PM
Boy is even celebrated on the Feast of Saint Pancreas.

They all dress up as Rupert and ride colorful papier-mâché poodles.

Some are quite elaborate.

Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Leon on 14 August 2012, 04:45:35 PM
It's something which is on our radar as well, so I'd expect all of the cavalry to be replaced at some point in the reasonably near future.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Rothgar68 on 14 August 2012, 05:33:23 PM
Thanks Leon,

So should I just use what I have or can I delay using the command in the hopes of having new ones in time for the Con, the first weekend in Nov?

Cheers!
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Leon on 14 August 2012, 06:10:18 PM
Quote from: Rothgar68 on 14 August 2012, 05:33:23 PM
Thanks Leon,

So should I just use what I have or can I delay using the command in the hopes of having new ones in time for the Con, the first weekend in Nov?

Nothing that quick I'm afraid!  We'd be looking in the next 12 months or so I'd think.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 14 August 2012, 06:43:28 PM
Quote from: Rothgar68 on 14 August 2012, 04:34:01 PM
Boy is even celebrated on the Feast of Saint Pancreas.

They all dress up as Rupert and ride colorful papier-mâché poodles.

Some are quite elaborate.



There was a great feature on that Rupert Parade in Reader's Finest magazine, I think in January 2009.

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: mollinary on 15 August 2012, 06:15:50 PM
Perhaps a look could also be taken at the length of the pikes?  They look to come in at little more than 10 feet long, if that. 

Mollinary. 

PS.  Maybe some pikemen with open hands, like Clibs LoA range, so we can use the Pike pack you already provide?

Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 16 August 2012, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: mollinary on 15 August 2012, 06:15:50 PM
Perhaps a look could also be taken at the length of the pikes?  They look to come in at little more than 10 feet long, if that. 

Mollinary. 

PS.  Maybe some pikemen with open hands, like Clibs LoA range, so we can use the Pike pack you already provide?



Definitely seconded.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 16 August 2012, 10:53:28 AM
Meh. I can live with the present attached pikes, but I'd rather not paint a lot more diminutive lobstermen with crushed faces and Darth Vader helmets.

Oh well, ECW is not the centre of the universe. I suppose Pendraken is listening and they'll come up with something sooner or later. I wonder if sales of ECW and TYW figurines are picking up now that Warlord have issued their Pike & Shotte rule?

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Leon on 16 August 2012, 10:56:43 PM
The open hands has been mentioned as well, so I think this may be something we can look at in our next 'Odds and Ends' month!

8)
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Hertsblue on 17 August 2012, 08:01:24 AM
Quote from: mollinary on 15 August 2012, 06:15:50 PM
Perhaps a look could also be taken at the length of the pikes?  They look to come in at little more than 10 feet long, if that. 

Mollinary. 


Didn't I read somewhere that they used to cut them down to make them more manageable? Having seen the problems some of the reinactors have with handling long pikes I can well believe it.  :o
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 17 August 2012, 08:52:04 AM
That is true....

IanS
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: mollinary on 17 August 2012, 09:18:05 AM
Hertsblue,

We have had this debate on here before. General Monck referred to the practice of cutting them down, and deplored it.  But, that said, they were supposed to be 16-18 feet long, and it takes a lot of cutting to get down to 10-11 feet. A scale 14ft I could just about live with, but look at the engravings of pikeblocks of the period, then look at the current pikes in the range, and tell me they give the same impression.  The beauty of the open hand is it leaves that decision up to the individual customer.  You can have them cut down to toothpicks if that is your preference, and I can keep them at 16ft if that is mine. Everybody wins. And Leon gets to sell extra packs of separate pikes.

Mollinary
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 17 August 2012, 10:01:00 AM
Athenian sarissai were about 5 meters long, the Macedonian variety even 6 meters. Spanish pikes in the 16th and 17th centuries were 4,5 meters long, they were issued by the furriel (quartermaster) on behalf (and at the expense) of the captain of the tercio and anyone insolent enough to saw off a yard or two would have been flogged.

Anyhoo - the original poster rightfully asked to address the obvious flaws in the lobstermen and generals' figures, in other words two essential figures in the ECW range. Personally I couldn't care less whether the pikemen carry their weapons open handed, close handed or up their *****s.

Alright, I do care..  :-\ :P

But let's do first things first, please.

Cheers,
Aar
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: FierceKitty on 17 August 2012, 11:27:05 AM
Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 17 August 2012, 10:01:00 AM
. Personally I couldn't care less whether the pikemen carry their weapons open handed, close handed or up their *****s.

Alright, I do care..  :-\ :P

But let's do first things first, please. Especially Aztecs.

Cheers,
Aar
Are you confused by the words phalanx and phallus?
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 17 August 2012, 11:45:10 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 17 August 2012, 11:27:05 AM
Are you confused by the words phalanx and phallus?

Phooy, you philippically phallic Philistine !  ;)

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: FierceKitty on 17 August 2012, 11:54:58 AM
Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 17 August 2012, 11:45:10 AM
Phooy, you philippically phallic Philistine !  ;)

Cheers,
Aart
You didn't work feline in there.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Techno on 17 August 2012, 12:01:56 PM
Where did the "especially Aztecs" quote come from in one of  Aart's recent posts ?
Can't see that in the original ! ;D ;D
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 17 August 2012, 02:04:37 PM
Quote from: Techno on 17 August 2012, 12:01:56 PM
Where did the "especially Aztecs" quote come from in one of  Aart's recent posts ?
Can't see that in the original ! ;D ;D

Hmm, a case of pheline inphiltration..?  :-\

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Techno on 17 August 2012, 02:46:47 PM
Think you might be right Aart !
Cheers - Ffil. ;)
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: nikharwood on 17 August 2012, 09:12:28 PM
Quote from: Aart Brouwer on 17 August 2012, 10:01:00 AM
Cheers,
Aar

And he's turned into a  :ar!
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Rothgar68 on 27 August 2012, 01:09:40 PM
I'd like to see a few marching shot with musket shouldered poses.

Thanks!
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Sigur on 24 September 2012, 09:17:07 PM
I may be a bit late to jump on the band wagon but I agree that the ECQ could do with a bit of an addition. :) Pikemen with empty hands would be something I'd greatly welcome. Cavalry models look fine to me but I wouldn't mind seeing more of them of course, especially lighter cavalry and maybe some commander models. I know that these are less cost effective to make and sell so not too much urgency on that. Musketeers are fine as well, just some more hats would be great in the way that the reloading musketeers almost always wear those knit woolen hats which doesn't look so great in TYW Imperial Catholic ranks. Speaking of which, some musketeers holding the muskets across their chests would be great for the ranks behind the first,
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Leon on 24 September 2012, 10:05:49 PM
We're having a bit of a think on some of these points, but we won't have the time available to do all of them.  I'll see what we can get done.

8)
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 September 2012, 11:36:12 PM
ECQ? English Civil Quarrel, I suppose?
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: nikharwood on 25 September 2012, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 24 September 2012, 11:36:12 PM
ECQ? English Civil Quarrel, I suppose?

;D
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: piccolomini on 29 September 2012, 08:56:17 PM
Would definitely like to see cavalry remodelled as horses are too small on most, especially the Cuirassier and Cavalryman with hat. Maybe even a Cuirassier in the Thirty Years war range sporting a Zischagge helmet. Open-handed pikeman also a good idea as currently more spear than pike-like.
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Sandinista on 29 September 2012, 10:59:05 PM
I really like the current range, look great painted and based. I will post some piccies shortly of my now finished armies, not back in work until wednesday so should have time...
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Hertsblue on 30 September 2012, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 24 September 2012, 11:36:12 PM
ECQ? English Civil Quarrel, I suppose?

Well, the king was only there to lend tone to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl.  ;)
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Techno on 30 September 2012, 07:13:40 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 24 September 2012, 11:36:12 PM
ECQ? English Civil Quarrel, I suppose?

Elizabeth....Current Queen ?
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: mollinary on 30 September 2012, 07:44:39 PM
England - Cromwell's Quarry?
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 30 September 2012, 08:27:32 PM
Extra Crunch Quavers! Yum!
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Sigur on 03 October 2012, 04:46:51 PM
Damn your eyes, Sirs! :D I meant ECW of course!

Blame my lack of specific knowledge on this minor historical incident while there were actually world-moving events going on in Europe around that time. ;)
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Aart Brouwer on 03 October 2012, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: Sigur on 03 October 2012, 04:46:51 PM
Damn your eyes, Sirs! :D I meant ECW of course!

Blame my lack of specific knowledge on this minor historical incident while there were actually world-moving events going on in Europe around that time. ;)

Well said, Sugur. One must put them in the their place from time to time.  :>

Cheers,
Aart
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Hertsblue on 04 October 2012, 09:06:48 AM
Quote from: Sigur on 03 October 2012, 04:46:51 PM

...... there were actually world-moving events going on in Europe around that time. ;)

As in, "give me a fulcrum...."?  :D
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Mick Boddy on 16 October 2012, 07:52:44 PM
How about some dead infantry and cavalry figures.  Also wounded figures for infantry and cavalry for markers.
Some personalities would be nice; a few suggestions could be,
For the Royalist Army
Charles 1st
Prince Rupert
William Cavendish (Earl of Newcastle)
Sir Ralph Hopton
Colonel Ruthin
Lord George Goring
Spencer Compton (2nd Earl of Northampton)
Patrick Ruthven (Earl of Forth)
For the Parliament Army
Oliver Cromwell
Thomas Fairfax
Robert Devereux (3rd Earl of Essex)
Edward Montagn (2nd Earl of Manchester)
Sir William Waller
Robert Greyville (2nd Baron Brooke)
Henry Grey (1st earl of Stamford)
Just a few ideas :)
Title: Re: ECW needs a bit of an update
Post by: Leon on 19 January 2013, 11:01:39 PM
We've got a few personalities coming soon, should have some preview pics of them in the next month or so.