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Wider Wargaming => Genre/Period Discussion => 20th Century => Topic started by: Sunray on 16 September 2011, 07:54:37 PM

Title: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Sunray on 16 September 2011, 07:54:37 PM
The cover page of this website shows ISU 152s and Russian infantry advancing through some very good looking barbed wire.

Is this commercially avaliable in 10mm ?  Beats twisting the stuff out of fuse wire to represent the barbs !

Any hard info on the source of this very good looking wire ?

Sunray out
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Steve J on 16 September 2011, 08:08:45 PM
This is the most commonly used stuff that I've seen. Works well for 10mm and up and looks the dogs danglies. Simply wind around a suitable sized tube, stretch out to size and Hey Presto! you have your barbed wire. Great value as well.

http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/antenocitis-workshop-barbed-wire.html

Steve J.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Sandinista on 16 September 2011, 11:25:26 PM
http://uk.video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?fr2=piv-web&p=hanging+on+the+old+barbed+wire&vid=1058264188218&dt=1205910000&l=126&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fvideos%2Fthumbnail.aspx%3Fq%3D1058264188218%26id%3Dc09f13d55b1c9250e82e3daea4aa14d2%26bid%3DlrfV54MwSGG7Rg%26bn%3DThumb%26url%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.youtube.com%252fwatch%253fv%253d_K1BdDVvV9Q&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fv%2F_K1BdDVvV9Q%26autoplay%3D1%26fs%3D1%26autoplay%3D1&tit=Hanging+On+The+Old+Barbed+Wire&sigr=11v2esl3q&newfp=1&surl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_K1BdDVvV9Q&sigs=11aqb2rat
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Sunray on 17 September 2011, 11:09:01 AM
Many thanks for this good info and contacts. I ordered my wire this morning. - UK postage cost almost as much as the product.  Leon is this an item Pendraken could add to the 'one stop shop' ?

Sunray out
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Kiwidave on 17 September 2011, 11:17:21 AM
Those are my Russians! :) It is indeed the stuff from Antenoceti. I think it was originally intended for the bigger scales, but it works well with 10s.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Steve J on 17 September 2011, 12:48:59 PM
I think you're right KD. However, it does look too big for 6mm, where normal electrical wire would be fine.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Leon on 17 September 2011, 11:47:39 PM
Quote from: Sunray on 17 September 2011, 11:09:01 AM
Many thanks for this good info and contacts. I ordered my wire this morning. - UK postage cost almost as much as the product.  Leon is this an item Pendraken could add to the 'one stop shop' ?

Sunray out

Very possibly, I'd need to get hold of a sample of it first, but I'm sure I could sort something out.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Sunray on 18 September 2011, 01:21:57 AM
Quote from: Kiwidave on 17 September 2011, 11:17:21 AM
Those are my Russians! :) It is indeed the stuff from Antenoceti. I think it was originally intended for the bigger scales, but it works well with 10s.

Very nice work KD, the wire looks like what the Warminister Sof I used to term the 'razor' variety.   Your work and presentation had inspired me to buy some.
As you say- its does look well with your 10mm.   With a little bit of lobbying (pester power) perhaps we can get these cottage industries to produce more in 10mm/N gauge.

Sunray Out
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Dickie255 on 18 September 2011, 05:07:22 AM
Hi Leon

I for one would buy some if you decided to stock  :)
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Hertsblue on 18 September 2011, 08:40:56 AM
Yeah, barbed wire in quantity is always useful.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Luddite on 18 September 2011, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: Leon on 17 September 2011, 11:47:39 PM
Very possibly, I'd need to get hold of a sample of it first, but I'm sure I could sort something out.

Is this imminent Leon?

I'd prefer to buy from you, and i'll be kicking off the orders for my new project in the next week or two.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Leon on 18 September 2011, 05:07:31 PM
Quote from: Luddite on 18 September 2011, 09:07:27 AM
Is this imminent Leon?

Nope, not at the moment.  I'd need to pick up a sample at the next show, and then see if I can get it wholesale, or find a similar supplier for it.  At the moment, I've got too many other things on the burner to put a lot of time into other bits.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Luddite on 18 September 2011, 08:17:45 PM
Fair enough mate.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Bernie on 19 September 2011, 09:49:53 PM
Hi

As a cheap alternative try using good quality thread - such as stuff from Langton's for the rigging of 1/1200 ships - superglued around pins stuck into thick plastic card and spayed a dullish grey. That way you can make the more common barbed wire fences of late C19th - C20th rather than just the coils.

In 10mm you do not really need so see the barbs the wire is enough

See below for some examples


http://s1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc461/BernardGanley/Playing%20Leapfrog/?action=view&current=Wire.jpg

Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Kiwidave on 19 September 2011, 09:51:00 PM
That's some nice wire!
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 19 September 2011, 10:05:12 PM
Bernie - how did you make the poppies?
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Bernie on 20 September 2011, 07:11:27 PM
Poppies were one of the scatter packs of blossom that you can get from model railway shops or in my case from Realistic Modelling
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 20 September 2011, 07:24:18 PM
Cool, thanks.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: commission on 08 November 2011, 03:04:03 PM
This may be a little late for this thread but you might find it useful.
Here's an idea I came across many, many, many years ago
You know that wire mesh you can purchase for repairing panels on car bodies?
Slice strips off it with scissors (tedious yes but hang on!) as in the first image.
Wrapping the strips around an appropriate diameter round thing......
and pulling from the end.....
Provides one with pretty good looking, cheap barbed wire. Image 2.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: commission on 08 November 2011, 03:11:30 PM
I think I'm still doing the image uploader thing wrong!
Its always full and my pics are only 50kB each.
The explanation ain't all that and as soon as I can add the pics it might be a lot more enlightening!
Sorry.
I will keep trying.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Sunray on 08 November 2011, 04:07:29 PM
Do keep trying. The concept is quite sound and the source cheap.  Love to see the results.

Sunray
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: commission on 08 November 2011, 05:30:30 PM
Lets see if you can see these pics????

(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l603/commission5/barb1-1.jpg)

(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l603/commission5/barb1a-1.jpg)

(http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l603/commission5/barb2.jpg)
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: commission on 08 November 2011, 05:34:02 PM
Yee-hah! Thanks to set set of GordonY instructions from back in August 2010 here are my pics.
Not the most intuitive set of instructions but at least you can see the method and results now!
I'm going to lie down with a rum toddy and get some rest now. that has been quite a traumatic experience.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: GordonY on 08 November 2011, 09:02:35 PM
Glad it helped mate.  :P
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: GordonY on 08 November 2011, 09:10:50 PM
now all you need to learn about is the .(http://piccy address) tags  :P

Dammit, those didnt show up  :-[ its [ IMG ] [ /IMG ] without the spaces.

then it looks summat like this (http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/GordonY/P1010150.jpg)

Gordon
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Leon on 08 November 2011, 10:42:12 PM
Excellent technique, I like those.  Actually, I see a sales opportunity...  :D

Quote from: GordonY on 08 November 2011, 09:10:50 PM
now all you need to learn about is the .(http://piccy address) tags  :P

I've edited the post to put those in.   8)
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: nikharwood on 08 November 2011, 10:49:50 PM
Quote from: Leon on 08 November 2011, 10:42:12 PM
Excellent technique, I like those.  Actually, I see a sales opportunity...  :D

Good man - I'm quite happy for you to cut your fingers to shreds on our behalf... :d

I'll have a pack with no blood on please  :D
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Leon on 08 November 2011, 10:51:16 PM
Quote from: nikharwood on 08 November 2011, 10:49:50 PM
I'll have a pack with no blood on please  :D

No bother, I'll get the missus onto it now!
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: nikharwood on 08 November 2011, 11:01:14 PM
Quote from: Leon on 08 November 2011, 10:51:16 PM
No bother, I'll get the missus onto it now!

Ah - delegation - the sign of quality management  :) :D
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Leon on 08 November 2011, 11:06:44 PM
Quote from: nikharwood on 08 November 2011, 11:01:14 PM
Ah - delegation - the sign of quality management  :) :D

:]] :D
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: commission on 09 November 2011, 08:45:42 AM
In my house deligation has gone nuts -
I delegated it to the missus - in turn she delegated it to the kids (2 teenagers with no time on their hands!) - and they in turn have trained our dogs to do it!!!!
Quite a sight to see a bearded collie and a cocker spaniel wrapped up in pseudo barbed wire  ;D

No really the missus just stared at me and mumbled some garbled threat of 'cutting 'em off'. So I've never tried to delegate again..... :(

Happy wrapping
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Sunray on 11 November 2011, 07:40:06 PM
Tell your Missus that the pics are appreciated.  Good looking wire and on a budget.  Lateral wargame thinking at its best. Leon, can we nominate this for tip of the month ?

Sunray out.
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: Leon on 12 November 2011, 04:22:17 AM
Quote from: Sunray on 11 November 2011, 07:40:06 PM
Leon, can we nominate this for tip of the month ?

If Commission is willing to start a new thread in the 'Painting and Modelling' board and repost the pics and info, I can sticky it there for a bit?
Title: Re: barbed wire- something to hang on
Post by: commission on 12 November 2011, 11:06:05 AM
Commission is willing!
Give me a little time though. With the front of my house falling off (slight exaggeration - wife's description, not mine!) and the hot water tank leaking (bring on British Gas) I might take a while.
See you soon in the new thread.
Any thoughts on a name for the thread? Keep it clean folks.........

Walt