Just started a blog to document my journey to completing a huge GNW project..... Using only pendraken figures. So possibly of interest here.....
https://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk
Great start, bookmarked to follow with interest.
Looking good !
Cheers - Phil
Great start
Take care
Andy
Excellent start 8)
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Good looking figures and bases :)
Well thought out basing decisions :)
I'll be interested in seeing how this project develops
Looking good
Interesting ideas and good looking figures. I'll be following your progress. =D> =D>
Likewise! :-bd
There are some very colorful uniforms in the GNW, and that is a great part of what grabs me in a period or army. Countries had not truly adopted a color associated with nationality yet.
Terry
Hi guys
Thanks for the support.
I'll be uploading some photos of the Russian army so far over the weekend. Only 14 battalions and 5 dragoon regiments...not quite the 54000 figure Dresden I just saw :o
And no the armies had not adopted single colours, although the Swedes are almost totally in blue apart from the 3/4/5 man regiments, and most of my Russians are in green with red facings as that made it easy to send one figure sample to the painters!
Jay
Looks really good, I like those meaty units :)
Your basing size on infantry is the same as we've ended up with for Twilight of the Sun King - 120mm wide (although 30mm deep), coming from putting two 60mm bases originally for P&S together, with about the same figure count! If P&S palls, give Twilight a try, Hwicce and co. have just released a scenario book for the GNW.
Any reason the cavalry are a bit less wide - just fits the figures better?
Hi
Who are hwicce and Co? Never heard of them before.
Yeah it was asthetic. I could have gone to same frontage with extra horse figures, but I had to draw a line somewhere! As you just front up one per facing for the pike and shotte rules, the couple of cm isn't an issue.
Sorry, Hwiccie is Nick Dorrell, one of the forum members - he's in the Pike and Shot society and partly responsible for the published version of their LoA era rules - Twilight of the Sun King :)
Just updated the blog with some photos of the Russian army so far....
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/progress-so-far-photos-of-completed-gnw.html
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Now that's meaty, very tasty!
Quote from: toxicpixie on 01 February 2018, 03:24:08 PM
Sorry, Hwiccie is Nick Dorrell, one of the forum members - he's in the Pike and Shot society and partly responsible for the published version of their LoA era rules - Twilight of the Sun King :)
Hi Jaztez,
First of all nice work on the figures and on your blog. Toxic was talking about me above.
I am not sure that Twilight of the Sun King will be for you as it is designed for large battles rather than a more tactical set like Pike and Shotte. But if you wanted to try them your basing would be fine. We use 10mm Pendraken at my club but we also do GNW demo's at shows in 6mm.
Just preparing the next one which will be a 'what if' battle in 1708 at a place called Horka. This was a real position taken up by the Russians to defend Moscow but the Swedes never attacked it, they had gone South to the Ukraine. In any case the attraction of doing it is that the Swedish army was the largest they ever had at this time so it is a chance to max out on them :)
In any case I will follow your progress and I am happy to help with info if you need it.
Oo, Nick, does that mean you'll be demo'ing it at WMMS?
Hopefully we'll have more club members on our participation game this time so I might get to wander over for more than 90 seconds ;)
Holy funt! Those are lovely!!! 8)
Quote from: toxicpixie on 02 February 2018, 11:18:03 AM
Oo, Nick, does that mean you'll be demo'ing it at WMMS?
I am afraid probably not. The guy who has the 6mm figures and terrain actually lives in Kent. So we have shown the GNW games at Salute and the 6mm show in Sheffield. We are not going to bother with Salute any more and we will do a show between us and London instead - somewhere like Reading.
We have done 5 of these, Horka will be 6. Next year it will be Poltava, which will probably be the last new one for a while. I am hoping we will then try taking these to different shows, including WMMS.
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Hopefully we'll have more club members on our participation game this time so I might get to wander over for more than 90 seconds ;)
Yes that will be good. Our club is doing a LOA game of Twilight of the Sun King in 28mm. I will probably be doing something on the P&S society stand - most likely ECW/TYW. I have a plan to make a double sided mat with Cherition from the ECW on one side and Fleurus from the TYW on the other. Just not sure if it will work :)
These are looking really good, well done.
I like your ideas on basing. When we started our WSS project we went for six 20x20mm bases to give a unit frontage of 120mm, because that looked the best when we put the unit into march column. However, given how rarely I have used march column in our games, I wish I had gone for the wider bases now (it would also be quicker to move the units on the table). I suppose I could rebase the figures, but do I really fancy rebasing 70+ units? :-
Very nice
Quote from: sunjester on 02 February 2018, 04:48:59 PM
These are looking really good, well done.
I like your ideas on basing. When we started our WSS project we went for six 20x20mm bases to give a unit frontage of 120mm, because that looked the best when we put the unit into march column. However, given how rarely I have used march column in our games, I wish I had gone for the wider bases now (it would also be quicker to move the units on the table). I suppose I could rebase the figures, but do I really fancy rebasing 70+ units? :-
No, but you can always get someone to cut you a 120mm wide by 20mm deep MDF sabot ;)
Quote from: Hwiccee on 02 February 2018, 04:13:05 PM
I am afraid probably not. The guy who has the 6mm figures and terrain actually lives in Kent. So we have shown the GNW games at Salute and the 6mm show in Sheffield. We are not going to bother with Salute any more and we will do a show between us and London instead - somewhere like Reading.
We have done 5 of these, Horka will be 6. Next year it will be Poltava, which will probably be the last new one for a while. I am hoping we will then try taking these to different shows, including WMMS.
Yes that will be good. Our club is doing a LOA game of Twilight of the Sun King in 28mm. I will probably be doing something on the P&S society stand - most likely ECW/TYW. I have a plan to make a double sided mat with Cherition from the ECW on one side and Fleurus from the TYW on the other. Just not sure if it will work :)
If you're running *something* I'll aim to wander over and play a round or two; if it;s the 30YW/ECW mods that might be handy, might convince club members to join me in 2mm stuff for it!
Hi, ah OK, thanks.
Could you clarify about the rules comment. I see pike and shotte as a set of rules for large battles, we regularly use twenty units or more a side in a three hour evening game, and don't even bother using the battalia break test rules.
I remember the original beneath the lily banners as being very detailed and much more tactical in focus? Perhaps it's changed or my memory is poor!
Quote from: Hwiccee on 02 February 2018, 11:09:19 AM
Hi Jaztez,
First of all nice work on the figures and on your blog. Toxic was talking about me above.
I am not sure that Twilight of the Sun King will be for you as it is designed for large battles rather than a more tactical set like Pike and Shotte. But if you wanted to try them your basing would be fine. We use 10mm Pendraken at my club but we also do GNW demo's at shows in 6mm.
Just preparing the next one which will be a 'what if' battle in 1708 at a place called Horka. This was a real position taken up by the Russians to defend Moscow but the Swedes never attacked it, they had gone South to the Ukraine. In any case the attraction of doing it is that the Swedish army was the largest they ever had at this time so it is a chance to max out on them :)
In any case I will follow your progress and I am happy to help with info if you need it.
Quote from: Hwiccee on 02 February 2018, 04:13:05 PM
I am afraid probably not. The guy who has the 6mm figures and terrain actually lives in Kent. So we have shown the GNW games at Salute and the 6mm show in Sheffield. We are not going to bother with Salute any more and we will do a show between us and London instead - somewhere like Reading.
We have done 5 of these, Horka will be 6. Next year it will be Poltava, which will probably be the last new one for a while. I am hoping we will then try taking these to different shows, including WMMS.
Yes that will be good. Our club is doing a LOA game of Twilight of the Sun King in 28mm. I will probably be doing something on the P&S society stand - most likely ECW/TYW. I have a plan to make a double sided mat with Cherition from the ECW on one side and Fleurus from the TYW on the other. Just not sure if it will work :)
Any idea if the 6mm gentleman will be displaying his chaps at Cavalier (Tonbridge) or Broadside (Sittingbourne)? I live in kent as well and would like a chat about his 6mm chaps.
Sorry, not trying to steal the threa, just interested.
Quote from: jaztez on 02 February 2018, 08:07:08 PM
Hi, ah OK, thanks.
Could you clarify about the rules comment. I see pike and shotte as a set of rules for large battles, we regularly use twenty units or more a side in a three hour evening game, and don't even bother using the battalia break test rules.
I remember the original beneath the lily banners as being very detailed and much more tactical in focus? Perhaps it's changed or my memory is poor!
Sorry yes I meant large in terms of the size of the battle in real terms. I don't know Beneath/Under the Lily Banners well but I would say they are roughly the same complexity/tactical wise. Perhaps B/ULB is a bit more so I would guess you would use say 15 units a side under those rules, for a game similar to those you usually play.
In Twilight of the Sun King you would also use a similar number of units for a similar game as with B/ULB and Pike & Shotte but the difference is what the game is representing. With B/ULB and Pike and Shote you are a 'divisional' or 'wing' commander of a larger force or fighting a small action. With Twilight you are using the full army and smaller actions are not really possible. So all the GNW battles are 1 player a side in theory. Because the opponents of the Swedes, especially the Russians, usually outnumber them by 2, 3 or more to 1 it can be usefully to have 2 non Swedish players to manage the forces involved. I would certainly do the big battles like say Narva or Poltava as 1 Swedish player vs 2 Russian players.
Obviously because you are doing a larger real battle with a similar number of units, etc, the tactical detail in Twilight is a lot less than in the other 2 rules. That doesn't appeal to everyone but I love being in charge of the whole army :)
Quote from: Subedai on 02 February 2018, 08:48:34 PM
Any idea if the 6mm gentleman will be displaying his chaps at Cavalier (Tonbridge) or Broadside (Sittingbourne)? I live in kent as well and would like a chat about his 6mm chaps.
Sorry, not trying to steal the threa, just interested.
No problem on hijacking the thread.
In any case I suspect he/we won't be in a Kent show. He (his name is Per) isn't in a club and is short on time for gaming. We/I provide information and manpower for the games but we/I are over on the Welsh Borders/West Midlands area. Per is a big 6mm fan and so we will always do the Sheffield 6mm show. I think only 1 other is practical and given our geographical locations that is likely to be in the area between Kent and the West Midlands. I think this might change down the roads but.....
Not to worry though Per is a nice guy and has a blog here - https://rollaone.com/. I am sure he would be happy to help if you contact him via that.
Thanks for the reply about the rules.
I might look into a copy of totsk to see what it can offer.
But I will add its perfectly possible to fight a whole battle with brigade, wing and army command using pike and shotte. Our club has done that every year for big all day games using armies of fifty plus units a side, with a conclusion in about four or five hours, so p&s definitely is an army set of rules as well.
We used to play Pike & Shotte (with last Hussars amendments for WSS ish), and enjoyed it. But I really like Twilight for simplicity and size. Different flavour of game, different focus. Much easier to get an in Period feel without needing the raft of special rules P&S used to tool box things :)
Interesting...I'll buy a set and take a look.
Quote from: toxicpixie on 03 February 2018, 02:53:04 PM
We used to play Pike & Shotte (with last Hussars amendments for WSS ish), and enjoyed it. But I really like Twilight for simplicity and size. Different flavour of game, different focus. Much easier to get an in Period feel without needing the raft of special rules P&S used to tool box things :)
I'd suggest joining the Yahoo! Group as well - there's some scenarios and lots of rules and period discussion :)
Added a workbench update - finished Russian foot & horse grenadiers.....
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/workbench-russian-gnw-foot-horse.html
Great work once again 8)
Those look dead spiffy !! :-bd
Cheers - Phil
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I, for one, am interested in hearing about your "rapid basing" technique
Ah....go on then.....
Here is my "rapid basing technique":
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/my-rapid-basing-technique.html
The results are good looking. My rapid basing scheme omits your steps two through four, however. :)
Thanks, interesting approach
Ha ha well I'm guessing you use coloured ballast and flock then.
Been there, did that with army painter basing material, didn't like the resulting single tone brown or how easily it fell off.
So that's why I experimented with a wash and natural tones :D
Quote from: d_Guy on 06 February 2018, 06:29:51 PM
The results are good looking. My rapid basing scheme omits your steps two through four, however. :)
Quote from: jaztez on 07 February 2018, 03:47:44 PM
Ha ha well I'm guessing you use coloured ballast and flock then.
Just so. Sometimes, if the mood strikes, I use two different shades to paint the base then ballast the darker areas and flock the lighter.
My
very rapid approach is one color - flock only. I use about a 70/30 PVA/water and brush it on. Once the base is dry - drip more of the diluted PVA on the ballast portions. BTW - glad you took my comment as tongue-in-cheek and not touting a "better" way.
Quote from: jaztez on 07 February 2018, 03:47:44 PM
Been there, did that with army painter basing material, didn't like the resulting single tone brown or how easily it fell off.
So that's why I experimented with a wash and natural tones :D
Which is why your rapid way looks WAY better than my rapid way. :D
Jaztez,
I read through your blog yesterday and really liked it, wish I had started a specific blog for my 15mm Raphia project.
Interesting on the out come of your painting company and may well use them for one of my Seven Year war armies.
Your basing tute was very interesting, I hate basing. So for 10mm I just flock, easy, simple and I'm happy with the resukts.
I look forward to your progress.
Quote from: Bunny on 11 February 2018, 08:41:56 AM
Jaztez,
I read through your blog yesterday and really liked it, wish I had started a specific blog for my 15mm Raphia project.
Interesting on the out come of your painting company and may well use them for one of my Seven Year war armies.
Your basing tute was very interesting, I hate basing. So for 10mm I just flock, easy, simple and I'm happy with the resukts.
I look forward to your progress.
Eagerly awaiting pictures.
Another update....Russian artillery finished.....
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/workbench-russian-artillery-completed.html
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Very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
They are really nice. This is a great project.
I just thought, looking back through the posts, the amendments toxicpixie mentions that Last Hussar and myself were using are for Black Powder, not Pike and Shotte (not having played Pike and Shotte I don't know how similar they are).
Very similar, but P&S has separate units for the pike and shot elements.
TBH I think we probably had a bit of a mash up of the two going on, alongside the amendments :D
Nice guns, Jaztez, you'll have them all on table in no time!
Those are great
A small update on how I'm addressing levels of command for the GNW using Black Powder.
No pics of figs, but they are coming in the next update..honest. Life....
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/gnw-command-control-using-black-powder.html
Interesting ideas.
The extra commanders don't sound too over-powered. Not sure if they might be too effective if they always end up at the point of the advance - but I suppose that is the point. Perhaps you could limit the intervene order to a double order, not a triple?
A nice little post on rules tweaks. Ages since I played BP, but really should give them another run out...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 23 February 2018, 07:37:47 PM
Very similar, but P&S has separate units for the pike and shot elements.
Not for late 17th century, they have single units with Pike Company special rule (I also use it for ECW)
Cheers
Ian
Quote from: sunjester on 23 February 2018, 05:59:32 PM
They are really nice. This is a great project.
I just thought, looking back through the posts, the amendments toxicpixie mentions that Last Hussar and myself were using are for Black Powder, not Pike and Shotte (not having played Pike and Shotte I don't know how similar they are).
These look really good
Quote from: Sandinista on 28 March 2018, 06:16:30 AM
Not for late 17th century, they have single units with Pike Company special rule (I also use it for ECW)
Cheers
Ian
Yes, that sort of gets disappeared for then - you can get bayonets and pike companies and there's another "pike stand" rule isn't there that's like the Pike Company?
Been a while since we played and tbh I think we may have gone "full tool box" and used the BP amendments and bits of stuff and things from wherever :D
At last....some photos of figures!
GNW Russian Commanders on the workbench for basing:
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/gnw-russian-commandersfinally-nearly.html
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VERY spiffy !!
Great job, that man !
Cheers - Phil
A lovely job on those general, i particularly like Peter. =D> =D> =D>
Those generals look very good
Take care
Andy
:-bd =D> :-bd
Cheers chaps!
And some photos of the whole Russian army competed so far....
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/the-gnw-russian-armyso-far.html (http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/the-gnw-russian-armyso-far.html)
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Very nice work once again 8)
Agree, absolutely great
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Wot they said ! 8)
Cheers - Phil
Looks brilliant
Take care
Andy
A little update on Swedish artillery...
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/workbench-gnw-swedish-artillery.html
The next update will be huge as I'll be posting photos of the parcel arriving and being unpacked from Fernando Enterprises containing 1000 painted GNW Pendraken miniatures :P
Great job!
Not sure why I haven't seen this before.
Really nice work.
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Happy basing ;) :)
Nice blog
Take care
Andy
Another little update....the 1000 figure Fernando Enterprises painted order has arrived.....
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.co.uk/2018/05/the-swedes-have-arrivedplus-more.html
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Now they've come back very nice indeed
Take care
Andy
That's a fair whack of shade toning & basing to get on with :D
Day in the garden coming up?
Ha ha, no. I brush on dark tone AP, I don't dip. I do spray varnish, but they are all on long strips held on with blutack, so I just spray them very conservatively in my shed, takes about five minutes.
So it's an easy process, just a LOT to get through and base.
I have already based four Swedish cavalry units though, so progress is good. I'll put up photo's of them soon.
Cheers guys
Quote from: toxicpixie on 11 May 2018, 11:55:32 AM
That's a fair whack of shade toning & basing to get on with :D
Day in the garden coming up?
Yeah, I brush apply shade tone as well - dip and flick is a bit messy!
After a very long time.....a blog update on the Pendraken 10mm Great Norther War project!
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.com/2018/06/workbench-updateplus-so-much-more.html
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Those are looking great
Great work on these.
First GNW game fought the other night, using my new 10mm GNW collection.
A stirring fight, and a desperate Swedish defeat!
AAR, plus a download pdf of my stats and amendments for GNW using Warlord Games Pike & Shotte rules:
http://gnwgaming.blogspot.com/2018/06/gnw-first-game-battle-report.html
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Storming stuff :)
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Beautiful game
Thanks for the AAR and great to see your figures on the table 8). Nice to read your thoughts on using Pike & Shotte for the period.
Cheers chaps.
Still have 5 units of Russian dragoons to base, 5 Russian infantry battalions, then more artillery and some cossacks to paint....
;D
Spectacular!
Very nice, indeed.
Cheers - Phil
Nice looking game. That is a great collection you now have there!