Hey guys,
Got the new d&d boardgame (temple of elemental evil) delivered this morning. Now i started wondering, now that i have all 4 of the boardgames, i have a crapload of fantasy/d&d miniatures in 28mm. Would be a waste not to do some skirmish games with them!
Any one got some suggestions for nice (and cheap :P) rules for this? Song of blades and heroes is on sale on wargamevault at the moment, but wanted to see if there was something else. Looking especially something where i can put the 'd&d feel' in. Song of blade and heroes does that through the special rules i think, anyone got experience with them? It would of course be mostly heroes VS monsters.
Thanks in advance!
Songs of Blades and heroes is good. Its fairly simple but still has enough depth to it. It actually has a lot in common with Warband when it comes to mechanisms.
SOBH Seconded.
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Simple is good, means i can play it with the boy :D
Anyway the bundle with the first 4 books, including the core book, is 25% off on wargame vault in case anyone is interested!
I like SoBH, but there's a whole slew of possible stuff - Mordheim has a living rule book, there's Frostgrave just come out. Possibly Dragon Rampant as/when it's released? The old D&D miniatures was fun, IIRC...
Maybe even the old Pendraken fantasy dungeon crawl rules? Not quite skirmish, but a simple dungeon delve, where the boy can play the whole party versus the monsters?
Quote from: toxicpixie on 28 July 2015, 07:09:17 PM
The old D&D miniatures was fun, IIRC...
What were those rules like? Map based?
Yes, they used the D&D map sheets gridded out in squares with a very simplified "not quite 3.5 era" rules set as a straight tactical combat game...
Interesting :-\
Will look at it when i get home from work
There's Swordplay from Two Hour Wargames. It's an easy system and works great for solo,added bonus is it's free.
Bear in mind it uses the 2Hr Wargames reaction system so there's a very good chance won't do what you want once
battle commences.
http://www.twohourwargames.com/swordplay.html
Quote from: kodiakblair on 28 July 2015, 08:02:09 PM
There's Swordplay from Two Hour Wargames. It's an easy system and works great for solo,added bonus is it's free.
Bear in mind it uses the 2Hr Wargames reaction system so there's a very good chance won't do what you want once
battle commences.
http://www.twohourwargames.com/swordplay.html
I have that one, but find it a bit confusing actually, Must read it again one time to see how it actually works.
I hear GW have just released new fantasy skirmish rules... and they're free :D
(they are also crap)
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 28 July 2015, 09:22:45 PM
I hear GW have just released new fantasy skirmish rules... and they're free :D
(they are also crap)
I asked for a skirmish game, not a central table mosh pit ;D ;D
Savage Worlds' Showdown, click on the link here for the FREE pdf: https://www.peginc.com/product-category/savage-worlds/ (https://www.peginc.com/product-category/savage-worlds/) or here direct to the pdf: https://www.peginc.com/freebies/Showdown/Showdown.pdf (https://www.peginc.com/freebies/Showdown/Showdown.pdf)
Must admit I haven't used the Showdown rules per se, but have used the RPG rules for moderately complex combats.
Showdown is basically a stripped-down version of the RPG, missing the skills and other less relevant systems.
Cheers!
Meirion
Hello pc
From the Free Wargame Rules Wiki:-
http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Fantasy_Skirmish (http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/Fantasy_Skirmish)
http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/GROMM_Fantasy_Skirmish (http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/GROMM_Fantasy_Skirmish)
http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/One_Page_Skirmish (http://freewargamesrules.wikia.com/wiki/One_Page_Skirmish)
All look like reasonably simple Fantasy skirmish systems.
Cheers
GrumpyOldMan
Thanks all!
Much to look through!
Quote from: Matt of Munslow on 28 July 2015, 09:22:45 PM
I hear GW have just released new fantasy skirmish rules... and they're free :D
(they are also crap)
Are we not a fan, Matt....? ;D
The more i think about this, the more i want to make my own rules. They all have something i like, but none seem to be exactly what i want :-\
And no buying rules means buying more minis doesn't it :D
On AoS -
I don't know about crap - they looked fast and furious and from reports of play if you enter into the spirit of them, you'll like them and if not... it's almost a harking back to the glorious old days of 1st ed./OldHammer with the emphasis on "make it up yourself and have a bash", completely unbalanced units/gear/troops and an attitude of "it looked fun so why not, here's a hidden joke about Bryan Ansell or Thatcher" instead of proscriptive, po-faced mega costly army lists OF THE ONE TRUE WAY.
That said I'm not sure if it's actually just a really lazy way to avoid "wasting" time and money on actually developing a world, background and rules... and an easy "conversion" to the much more successful "sales template" of W40k...
I'd hope the former, but am pretty convinced it's the latter.
On writing your own rules -
Yeah, more money for lead but less time after you factor in the endless tinkering to get it "just right" ;)
The old ICE Bladestorm rules have just been re released. I remember them being pretty good
Ooo - would Osprey's "Of Gods and Mortals" be of use? It's a SoBH reworking with errr, Gods and Heroes and Mortals...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 29 July 2015, 09:59:17 AM
On writing your own rules -
Yeah, more money for lead but less time after you factor in the endless tinkering to get it "just right" ;)
I know, buying is easier, but the more i read about SOBH, the more i see it as uncomplete.
I read things like:
'Short Bow and Master Duelist both seem to be from the as yet unpublished Dwarf supplement "Song of Hammer and Forge".'
'If you do want equipment for fantasy (for a more Mordheim feel) you can look at Flashing Steel.'
'...or you have to wait for the Fightin' Funghi. It was funded through Kickstarter and is currently in playtest phase. Both rules you mentioned are there, as well as rules for shields (or at least rules that can be used to represent shields), reactions and other goodies. '
See what i mean with 'feels incomplete'? If i want to have all options i'll have to make them up myself, especially if i want a d&d feel, and that might be as much work as writing it myself.
It seems to me that the low cost of the books can ad up quickly if you want to have all the options
Yeah... I have some of the bits and bobs and there's a shedload of spreadsheets and things that help but...
I neither have everything nor played enough to know what I actually have, but it seems a really moddable system that rewards some good warband set up. Which if you don't know what you're doing because you're missing XYZ and haven't got two dozen games under your belt is sod all use!
Which is why OGaM might work better - it's the same engine but actually fully installed and running :D And it's six quid from Osprey ATM as well.
However, I iust bought Frostbrave as one of my group members has got a copy and he says it's good, so...
Savage World's or Mordheim are two I use
Problem i have with those two is that they seem to need a much bigger board, the 3'X3' needed for SOBH really appeals to me!
Quote from: petercooman on 29 July 2015, 08:45:50 PM
(...)but the more i read about SOBH, the more i see it as uncomplete.
(...)
See what i mean with 'feels incomplete'? If i want to have all options i'll have to make them up myself, especially if i want a d&d feel, (...)
SBH is a way to go ! I like it very much ( as do my daughters ;) )
It's not "uncomplete", the basic game is enough to have great games ( D&D like !)
With the other sets, you may add some things. .. if you need to. Hammer and Forge should be released in autumn, I think. The core rules from Fungi (with a more elaborate magic system) should came this summer.
SBH is now our choice for these kinds of game. really !
--
Ronan, fanboy ;D
edit to add a link to one of our games, but I don't have much time to play now : http://2d6.fr/?p=2070
Fungi is already available on the vault and on the ganesha games website!
Nice battle by the way!
I am actually becoming more and more happy to just use SAGA and proxying my fantasy miniatures for battle-boards. Not exactly skirmish but boy is it fun.
Quote from: KTravlos on 30 July 2015, 09:55:11 PM
I am actually becoming more and more happy to just use SAGA and proxying my fantasy miniatures for battle-boards. Not exactly skirmish but boy is it fun.
What's the playing time on those? And the area needed? Never looked at them to be honest :-\
So, I just cracked and bought:
Song of blade and heroes
Song of gold and darkness
Song of wind and water
Song of Arthur and Merlin
Song of deeds and glory
Song of the splintered lands
Fighting fungi
Now I just have to sit down and have a loooong read ;D ;D
That should give you enough to go on with :D
I really liked the system, but couldn't get enough people to play enough to really feel comfortable. Think I spent most time making different warbands on the on line generator than actually playing!
Always thought I should sort out chariot rules and get my 28mm Trojan Wars figures painted for it...
Quote from: toxicpixie on 31 July 2015, 02:10:57 PM
That should give you enough to go on with :D
I really liked the system, but couldn't get enough people to play enough to really feel comfortable. Think I spent most time making different warbands on the on line generator than actually playing!
Always thought I should sort out chariot rules and get my 28mm Trojan Wars figures painted for it...
Yeah that'll keep my options open :D
I will be trying it solo with my d&d boardgames so will use it anyway.
The second All Ireland SBH tournament is taking place next week
Will be a bit far for me.
Maybe you can put on a livestream? :D