Hi Peeps, nice to join you.
i know i'm not re-inventing the wheel but thought i'd share.
WFB 8th seems ideally calibrated for 2 rank Warmaster/ 4cm by 2cm based figures. (2nd rack can fight and shoot)
in the last few weeks i have started playing 8th ed WFB with 10mm figs, using 1/2 ground scale. we are using cm instead of inches, WYSIWYG, and markers to signify
special weapon upgrades etc that can't be shown on the model, and command where not included in with the models (bofa) having played several editions of WFB over the years and never really learned the rules properly! i have thrown myself into 8th ed.
in 10mm a unit of 48 haliberdiers or 12 Reiksguard Knights isn't so daunting from a cost, painting or storage point of view.
to make sense of using 4cm by 2cm Warmaster sized bases with troops varying from 8 to 14 a base, 4 to 7 men frontage, i have made up base converters (initially in card-> moving to steel in the future ) so that the frontage of say 5 men is 5cm, and 7 men (bofa) is 7cm. this isn't beautiful but workable. cav are on 12.5 per model frontage base converters. so an ogre will be on a 2cm square base.
so far we have had a few games Empire v High Elves with troops, magic and cav. Artillery, light cav, skirmishers, Monsters to be added as we go. then Orks and Chaos :0)
i'm steadily collecting up 10mm proxies for every WFB army list and option, includin where fun extinct list entries, as far as i'm concerned if it existed once in WFB, it
still does. ( Empire War Waggon) i'm planning Pendraken Small Rats and Polish Lancers + at Reading Warfare UK, this year...
i am happy to share bat reps, thoughts etc, next game is Weds 25th (i hope) pics to follow
i also play various editions of 40K in 6mm, if anyone is interested.
Hi
Welcome to the forum
Lots of nice ideas though I havent played WFB since the little black book edition but still enjoy Warmaster
That's another post that's gone awol.
Try again.....Pop them up lawhock...We love seeing things like that.
And a very warm welcome from me too.
Cheers - Phil.
Welcome to the forum. The ultimate pleasure dome?
Welcome aboard Lawhock; everyone always welcome, fantasy players more so! ;)
Welcome on board and looking forward to seeing pics of your stuff.
Good aternoon.
IanS
Have you seen Ironduke's Dogs of War 10mm army? It's quite spectacular.
Yep, 'welcome aboard' from me too.
Welcome to the forum Lawhock, there seems to be an ever growing number of us 'newbies' on here!
One word of warning, don't be drinking or eating anything whilst reading posts on here as you could end up choking with laughter at the banter! :)
Wotcha, cock. Another welcome here.
Hello and welcome!
Hi Lawhock,
a "welcome to the forum" from me too!
Sounds ingenious so I'll echo Techno and say please post some pictures.
On WHFB itself, I'd have to say I've played quite a few games but never really been happy with the rules. WHFB wants to be a big battle game but has lots of skirmish level rules with the resulting mish-mash being satisfactory neither as a skirmish nor as a battle. LoTR and Mordheim were better skirmish games and Warmaster a better battle one. As far as I can see GW pushed WHFB because the other systems needed fewer figures for the first two and fewer (expensive) heroes for the latter and that would impact on profits.
Personal view only, if you're having fun with them then more power to your elbow!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 19 February 2015, 12:43:12 PM
Sounds ingenious so I'll echo Techno and say please post some pictures.
Personal view only, if you're having fun with them then more power to your elbow!
Amen to both points :)
thanks for the big welcome!
ironduke's army is great and brilliant painting! i did see it some time back.
there is also a great army in a Warmuster issue i think.
i'm planning on using a mix of Pendraken and Warmonger figs for my Dogs of War, and some kind of birdmen scratchbuild.
only some undercoats and the rubbish paint some of them came with so far. i'll try to finish off part 1 of my Orc army soon.
Hi and welcome, I look forwaerd to seeing your photos.
Hi and welcome aboard.
Just one question, as I've never played WHFB, why go for that in 10mm and not Warmaster which was designed for 10mm?
Quote from: DanJ on 20 February 2015, 09:35:11 AM
Hi and welcome aboard.
Just one question, as I've never played WHFB, why go for that in 10mm and not Warmaster which was designed for 10mm?
Very different games. ;)
Quote from: getagrip on 20 February 2015, 11:17:40 AM
Very different games. ;)
Yes ...
... but WHFB is such a badly designed one!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 20 February 2015, 12:18:39 PM
Yes ...
... but WHFB is such a badly designed one!
Yeah gotta agree.
However, if you meet a like minded individual and agree not to use over powered heroes or this month's latest Uber (let's increase the bottom line) Beastie offerings; it plays rather nicely. Trouble is, you're not likely to meet someone like that in one of their stores.
Actually, you don't meet anyone in their stores anymore :D
However, if you go for WFB 1st Ed., it was crude but not a bad game.
In general though, i like the idea of using 10mm on WFB basing. 2-4 figs per 20x20mm base would look exceptionally cool!
WHFB 1st Edition army.
1 Liche
10 Skeletons
Liche is immune to normal weapons. Cast spell to create circle of protection which makes him impossible to melee with and immune to magic. Summon Greater Demon (basically a Balrog), then summon lesser demons every turn until the Balrog dies, summon new Balrog. Rinse. Repeat. Profit! :)
Yep. :D ;D
Great days!
For me, I think the best edition was the 3rd (was that the one with Ravening Hordes?); many happy hours spent playing that :)
Yes, Warhammer fantasy went downhill after 3rd edition.
Quote from: Bodvoc on 21 February 2015, 09:22:26 AM
Yes, Warhammer fantasy went downhill after 3rd edition.
Round about the time the bean counters moved in; funny that :-\
I could never cope with the attack etc factors of a cavalryman, and then how powerful were the hooves of his mount. I mean, behave.
Quote from: Leman on 21 February 2015, 02:01:36 PM
I could never cope with the attack etc factors of a cavalryman, and then how powerful were the hooves of his mount. I mean, behave.
As said, skirmish mechanisms in a supposedly battle game ... yuk!!
Yeah try mounting an Elf general on a dragon. always strikes first, almost never misses, 4 attacks from him, 6 from the dragon,
Run him into pretty much any unit and its goodbye front rank, rinse and repeat for any following ranks, he's pretty much a one man army, rest of the army only need to be elven bowmen with the minimum amount of spearmen to protect them.
As a massed battle game it sucked, but at the time it was pretty much the only show in town.
I for one dont miss it one little bit, nor do I miss its little brother 40K, for massed battle FWC in 6mm and for skirmish Gruntz in 15mm, job done.
I remember seeing a WFB competition and the winning army had one figure in it...Some wizzard on a dragoon dragon/ No idea what edition it was
Quote from: Fenton on 22 February 2015, 09:51:11 AM
I remember seeing a WFB competition and the winning army had one figure in it...Some wizzard on a dragoon dragon/ No idea what edition it was
Bet that annoyed GW's suits :D
I think it was well before the 'suits' got invloved
I remember having a High Elf Mage who cast a spell that could move mountains. So I dropped a mountain on my opponents army in the first turn, game over!
Also when High Elves could always strike first I destroyed an enemy army without suffering a single casulaties.
(I only recall these games so well as i normally lose at every game I play! :)).
Warhammer's a quite fun rules system, but imo armour saves for cavalry and flyers should be reduced by 1, not increased by 1, unless they're on steel plate barded mounts. And possibly even reduced by 2 against bowmen at short range or if standing and firing to represent how much arrow volleys injured and panicked horses.
Charge bonuses of cavalry and flyers against spears or halberd armed infantry could be reduced by 1 if charging them to the front - and to hit reduced by 2 if charging pikes to front.
Morale is also a bit too random, but still quick and fun.
It's Fantasy, not Historical.
Cavalry are queen of the battlefield, peasants with sticks (ie infantry with spears and halberds) get stomped into the ground by them.
Pikes are just peasants with big sticks ... and no advantage over the guys with shorter sticks.
Nobody has ever heard of a skirmisher.
Monsters can devastate whole armies but will be swiftly despatched by a thug with a sword in his hand, a fur nappy round his loins and a prayer to a god he doesn't believe in on his lips :)
Yep, it's storybook stuff; pure and simple ;)
Quote from: Bodvoc on 22 February 2015, 12:53:10 PM
I remember having a High Elf Mage who cast a spell that could move mountains. So I dropped a mountain on my opponents army in the first turn, game over!
'assault of living stone' was the name i think. Once got a unit of bowman, and halberdiers trashed by that in turn 1 :'(
There have been skirmishing rules in almost every edition of WFB. It's going to remain fantasy even if you make cavalry less effective against pole-armed infantry / more vulnerable to archery unless steel plate bared (or equivalent), because it's full of wizards , spells, heroes, magic weapons and banners, orcs, elves, goblins, dragons, wolf, boar and giant lizard mounts etc.
Some of the spells and heroes and mounts have been ridiculously overpowered in some editions.
Quote from: Dunnadd on 07 March 2015, 03:59:53 PM
There have been skirmishing rules in almost every edition of WFB. It's going to remain fantasy even if you make cavalry less effective against pole-armed infantry / more vulnerable to archery unless steel plate bared (or equivalent), because it's full of wizards , spells, heroes, magic weapons and banners, orcs, elves, goblins, dragons, wolf, boar and giant lizard mounts etc.
Some of the spells and heroes and mounts have been ridiculously overpowered in some editions.
3rd edition got it right for me, after that, phooey :P
;D 3rd edition was the worst for over-powered heroes, spells and gigantic motherloving critters. I did like the outflanking force, scouting etc rules though
The game that got it right in my opinion was Fantasy Warriors by Grenadier
Quote from: Dunnadd on 07 March 2015, 05:14:58 PM
;D 3rd edition was the worst for over-powered heroes, spells and gigantic motherloving critters. I did like the outflanking force, scouting etc rules though
Really? Are we talking about the same thing here?
Red books, 3 of em.
Loved it, was young, so prepared to make allowances :D
Ah that's 2nd edition you're thinking of. Third was the big orange hard back. First edition was three black and white covered rules books with an expansion of 3 light brown coloured ones.
Second edition was reasonably balanced.
Quote from: Dunnadd on 07 March 2015, 05:38:42 PM
Ah that's 2nd edition you're thinking of. Third was the big orange hard back. First edition was three black and white covered rules books with an expansion of 3 light brown coloured ones.
Second edition was reasonably balanced.
My bad :-[
Third sucked @$$ :D
Fenton wrote
QuoteThe game that got it right in my opinion was Fantasy Warriors by Grenadier
It had some nice ideas. I liked the way morale worked with different morale classes meaning e.g brittle troops went up one morale result on the table on a positive result and down one on a negative one.
The volley counters for archers and "blacken the sky" were pretty nice too.
Wasn't so keen on the heroes getting up to as many attacks as 5 or 10 troopers - seemed a bit much, but if it had been capped at say 4 or 5 might have worked.
long time...
so no pics! sorry. Orc army is finished but not based. I got distracted by RTV rubber moulds and original RT space elves/dwarves/orcs etc...
so continued to play 8th for a while. basically it was no fun (3 books required, too much cross referencing) tried to teach my "Historical biased" mate,
hard task, lots of befuddled stares. looked at 9th for a bit = more of the same.
so I have 2nd and 3rd ed WFB, probably going to go with one, the other or a mix of both. I really like
a dice per man and the weapon being meaningful. I didn't get the Ratmen, but I have the Polish Winged Lancers. i'll try to get some pics
sorted. Eureka chaos dwarf army is waiting to be painted, so it the Evil Men kickstarter, and so is the Pendraken LOA army for 10mm Pike and Shotte. Lead mountain is winning.
pics, basing to be completed
pics
pics
pics, need to down grade my camera settings.
elves on stages. 7 with melee weapons, 7 with bow. I left for use as hero.
previous shot of lizardmen. I think of these as my gay brigade. they are so happy and soft, compared
to other lizard types I've seen around. not sure ill bring up their strength much, kinda expensive @ £6 a unit
compared to the competitions detail and variety.