Warhammer 8th ed using 10mm figs

[getagrip]

I remember seeing a WFB competition and the winning army had one figure in it...Some wizzard on a dragoon dragon/ No idea what edition it was

Bet that annoyed GW's suits

[Fenton]

I think it was well before the 'suits' got invloved

[Bodvoc]

I remember having a High Elf Mage who cast a spell that could move mountains. So I dropped a mountain on my opponents army in the first turn, game over!
Also when High Elves could always strike first I destroyed an enemy army without suffering a single casulaties.
(I only recall these games so well as i normally lose at every game I play! ).

[Dunnadd]

Warhammer's a quite fun rules system, but imo armour saves for cavalry and flyers should be reduced by 1, not increased by 1, unless they're on steel plate barded mounts. And possibly even reduced by 2 against bowmen at short range or if standing and firing to represent how much arrow volleys injured and panicked horses.

Charge bonuses of cavalry and flyers against spears or halberd armed infantry could be reduced by 1 if charging them to the front - and to hit reduced by 2 if charging pikes to front.

Morale is also a bit too random, but still quick and fun.

[Ithoriel]

It's Fantasy, not Historical.

Cavalry are queen of the battlefield, peasants with sticks (ie infantry with spears and halberds) get stomped into the ground by them.

Pikes are just peasants with big sticks ... and no advantage over the guys with shorter sticks.

Nobody has ever heard of a skirmisher.

Monsters can devastate whole armies but will be swiftly despatched by a thug with a sword in his hand, a fur nappy round his loins and a prayer to a god he doesn't believe in on his lips

[getagrip]

Yep,  it's storybook stuff; pure and simple 

[petercooman]

I remember having a High Elf Mage who cast a spell that could move mountains. So I dropped a mountain on my opponents army in the first turn, game over!

'assault of living stone' was the name i think. Once got a unit of bowman, and halberdiers trashed by that in turn 1 

[Dunnadd]

There have been skirmishing rules in almost every edition of WFB. It's going to remain fantasy even if you make cavalry less effective against pole-armed infantry / more vulnerable to archery unless steel plate bared (or equivalent), because it's full of wizards , spells, heroes, magic weapons and banners, orcs, elves, goblins, dragons, wolf, boar and giant lizard mounts etc.

Some of the spells and heroes and mounts have been ridiculously overpowered in some editions.

[getagrip]

There have been skirmishing rules in almost every edition of WFB. It's going to remain fantasy even if you make cavalry less effective against pole-armed infantry / more vulnerable to archery unless steel plate bared (or equivalent), because it's full of wizards , spells, heroes, magic weapons and banners, orcs, elves, goblins, dragons, wolf, boar and giant lizard mounts etc.

Some of the spells and heroes and mounts have been ridiculously overpowered in some editions.

3rd edition got it right for me, after that, phooey

[Dunnadd]

  3rd edition was the worst for over-powered heroes, spells and gigantic motherloving critters. I did like the outflanking force, scouting etc rules though

[Fenton]

The game that got it right in my opinion was Fantasy Warriors by Grenadier

[getagrip]

3rd edition was the worst for over-powered heroes, spells and gigantic motherloving critters. I did like the outflanking force, scouting etc rules though

Really?  Are we talking about the same thing here?

Red books,  3 of em.

Loved it,  was young,  so prepared to make allowances 

[Dunnadd]

Ah that's 2nd edition you're thinking of. Third was the big orange hard back. First edition was three black and white covered rules books with an expansion of 3 light brown coloured ones.

Second edition was reasonably balanced.

[getagrip]

Ah that's 2nd edition you're thinking of. Third was the big orange hard back. First edition was three black and white covered rules books with an expansion of 3 light brown coloured ones.

Second edition was reasonably balanced.

My bad  

Third sucked @$$  

[Dunnadd]

Fenton wrote

The game that got it right in my opinion was Fantasy Warriors by Grenadier

It had some nice ideas. I liked the way morale worked with different morale classes meaning e.g brittle troops went up one morale result on the table on a positive result and down one on a negative one.

The volley counters for archers and "blacken the sky" were pretty nice too.

Wasn't so keen on the heroes getting up to as many attacks as 5 or 10 troopers - seemed a bit much, but if it had been capped at say 4 or 5 might have worked.