When playing in 10mm do people use individual figures or bases for the infantry?
Cheers
I based most of my infantry in pairs on 30x15mm bases. Weapons teams in 3s on 20mm squares. And NCOs, officers, snipers and other specialists individually on 14/15mm washers.
This seems to balance between too many small things to move - and being able to spread out.
We played some of our first games with squad bases - this worked OK, but was hard to spread out in terrain, and you end up with lots of markers to track casualties.
Cheers Fred
I was thinking of a squad bases to take the place of a single figure
I like your idea though as well
The smallest bases I use are 1p pieces with three Arthurian infantry per base. Not keen on individually based figures, particularly small ones.
Now I am intrigued, what games/rules are you playing with 3 Arthurian Inf. per base?
Dux Britanniarum - each penny (2p for cavalry) represents a 28mm base.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/10mm%20Dux%20Britanniarum/IMG_0857_zps7d01dcfd.jpg)
The photo shows a 28mm group of 6 figures - which translates to 18 figures in 10mm. Casualties etc are counted by base rather than figure.
My SCW are the first figs I will play in 10mm CoC. They are all individually based (except LMG/HMG and the odd group of figs to represent command teams.
I will let you know how it goes when I first play a game
Thanks Nosher
QuoteThe photo shows a 28mm group of 6 figures - which translates to 18 figures in 10mm. Casualties etc are counted by base rather than figure.
Leman, your are the man! Cheers for that, I was wondering about doing 4 figure round bases for Lion Rampant, with cav. on larger round bases, 2 to a base. But not for a while as I have too many other projects on the go.
What a great idea! :)
Quote from: Westmarcher on 27 January 2015, 01:05:12 PM
What a great idea! :)
Agreed got me thinking now for Lion Rampant and a cheaper way to play Dux Britanniarum
I am wondering what it would be like with 5 figures on a 2p
Even bigger I suspect, but a little more expensive - 12p instead of 6p per unit! Splash out; you know you want to.
In CoC I use 12mm diameter washers with individual figures. One problem is getting standing or kneeling figures for certain weapons - especially AT Rifles! The other problem is the hole in the washer... can be tricky getting the mini solidly fixed to it!
Small AT Guns I base on a 1p, with 1 figure (kneeling). The other gun crew are individually based, but 2-3 of them are on 'crescent moon' shaped bases made out of cardboard to fit as close as possible to the gun. One thing I don't like about individual figures is the way it spreads weapon teams & crew out too much. As I game the Fall of France & Barbarossa, I haven't had the need to go up to a 2p base for guns so far, although I do have an 88 Flak gun on a 1" square base...
Quote from: Wulf on 28 January 2015, 08:31:24 PM
(...) The other problem is the hole in the washer... can be tricky getting the mini solidly fixed to it!
Hello
I use washers for my 10mm soldiers for Chain of Command
I glue a small piece of cardboard ( from cereal boxes !) before gluing the soldier.
For team weapons, I changed my mind, and now will stick the 1st crewman with the weapon, on thick cardboard shaped as needed. The other men of the team will use "shaped" cardboard to fit with the first, or washers ( smaller than the one used for the "fighting team" )
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Quote from: Fenton on 26 January 2015, 09:39:06 PM
When playing in 10mm do people use individual figures or bases for the infantry?
It's a good question and I think the answer is it depends.
Single mounted figures are great, but it gets too much hassle to move lots of them around the table-top. Also, for me anyway, the figures have to represent something meaningful i.e: buddy team of two men, or a fire-team of four men etc, and therefore I base accordingly, which is probably a bit vague.
Marking casualties on mutli-figure bases is also a hassle, but less of a hassle than moving loads of individual figures, but YMMV.
Quote from: Paint it Pink on 03 February 2015, 04:00:42 PMMarking casualties on mutli-figure bases is also a hassle, but less of a hassle than moving loads of individual figures, but YMMV.
I am experimenting with sabot bases, primarily for TFL's other skirmish game, Sharp Practice, which uses formations of men as much as individuals. I'm making them up from thick card, two or three layers (experimenting...) the lower one whole, the upper one(s) with holes in... As I use a standard 12mm washer base, it seems to work, but 10mm minis are very lightweight and keep falling off... >:( The double depth of holes may help with that.
Quote from: Wulf on 03 February 2015, 04:12:03 PM
10mm minis are very lightweight and keep falling off... >:( The double depth of holes may help with that.
Could use a steel base plate and then glue the minis onto magnets?
Quote from: getagrip on 03 February 2015, 04:50:43 PMCould use a steel base plate and then glue the minis onto magnets?
Yes, nice, the washers have holes you could fit very small rare earth magnets in to the base would still be more or less level... But I wasn't going to make the sabots square, and cutting steel plates into organic shapes may be tricky. Square/rectangular bases are the thing I like least about multi-figure bases (I'm fine with them in Sharp Practice, since the formation is meant to be rectangular).
Going slightly off tangent, but when you think about what is happening in real life, soldiers tend to go around in pairs. He's your buddy and you stick together. The Marines have a saying, "two is one, and one is none." So with 10mm figures in mind I find that two fit very nicely on a one pence piece (British penny for any foreign friends reading this and going you what? – approximately 20mm in diameter), but while two men might make a good scout team, four or more men is what you need to start building up a plan of attack. So I'm tending towards bases of four 10mm figures on a two-pence piece (approximately 25mm in diameter).
Using four man fire-teams means one can build squads and one's platoon with between six to nine bases of troops plus separate command stands and support. This is based on the assumption that one is playing platoon to company level actions.
If you want to play larger games one will need to either to move away from one figure equal one man, or have larger bases representing platoons, but this will mean less flexibility in how you move the formation on the table top.
Quote from: Wulf on 03 February 2015, 04:58:47 PM
Yes, nice, the washers have holes you could fit very small rare earth magnets in to the base would still be more or less level... But I wasn't going to make the sabots square, and cutting steel plates into organic shapes may be tricky. Square/rectangular bases are the thing I like least about multi-figure bases (I'm fine with them in Sharp Practice, since the formation is meant to be rectangular).
You can buy then ready cut; Fenton has a link.
Quote from: Fenton on 26 January 2015, 09:39:06 PM
When playing in 10mm do people use individual figures or bases for the infantry?
Cheers
Mine are about to get their baptism of CoC SCW Espana! This Saturday.
All are individually based, less LMG/HMG and other 'team weapons on 25mm MDF bases. Whilst I wont be doing a batrep, I will post a few thoughts afterward and possibly a phto or two for perspective.
To be honest I don't think the scale will make any difference. CoC works well in 15mm with individually based figures and the ground scale conversion is almost real at that scale. Most of my terrain is 15mm too so I think it will work fine.
Can't wait to get this played!
Quote from: Wulf on 28 January 2015, 08:31:24 PM
Small AT Guns I base on a 1p, with 1 figure (kneeling). The other gun crew are individually based, but 2-3 of them are on 'crescent moon' shaped bases made out of cardboard to fit as close as possible to the gun. One thing I don't like about individual figures is the way it spreads weapon teams & crew out too much. As I game the Fall of France & Barbarossa, I haven't had the need to go up to a 2p base for guns so far, although I do have an 88 Flak gun on a 1" square base...
I used a 5 cent (eurocent that is) for my mg teams, and have suitable separate minis for the team on the move. When there are no separate 'moving ' figures available, i just stick with the bigger base and add a marker when a crewman dies. This is for USE ME wwII though, not CoC.
Small Batrep here - just a few photos as I was concentrating on the rules.
In terms of how CoC Converts to 10mm and single basing, i think it felt fine. In terms of command radius, when you start messing with base sizes you may need to change command radius to boot which i think may have an effect on the game.
This felt right because there is no shooting through friends in CoC. Multi-figure bases would be tricky applying this rule and will alter gameplay significantly if you allow all figures to shoot.
One issue was the footprint of buildings which are quite small and figures based on 25mm bases took up quite a bit more room.
http://nosherswargames.blogspot.co.uk/
Nice one Nosher! 8)
Nice little report :)
Good report of an interesting game, certainly didn't seem to be the Republican's day ;)
Sunjester has individual bases.
I based everything individually, even heavy weapons crews, worked like a champ. Pics below, pics of some games at the link
http://blackhawkhet.blogspot.com/search/label/Chain%20of%20Command
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-eTcs_KC8TdY/UgkhoDmm0MI/AAAAAAAAAB4/puTkpv3MIYA/s1600/P1120058.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I6tB5k2exGY/UgkjBac6zdI/AAAAAAAAACQ/abr_AJ-ut9w/s1600/P1120060.JPG)
V/R,
Jack
I dont like round bases, so use board game counters - 1/2" square. These work for 10mm and 6mm.
IanS
They are superb Jack; love the camo :-bd