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Title: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Steve J on 03 January 2015, 12:07:56 PM
The Radio Times says that this series will be coming to BBC4 in the Spring :). Can't wait as the clips someone posted last year via Youtube look great. Should be subtitles as well which I prefer.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 January 2015, 12:10:42 PM
 :-bd

Might be the incentive I need to finish my forces for this conflict.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Steve J on 03 January 2015, 12:25:56 PM
As I have the Bruce Weigle books this will be of particular interest to me. I also have a cunning plan to game this with minimal effort, but details to follow later in the month...
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 January 2015, 12:37:50 PM
Ohhh!
I'm on 3x30x40mm bases...
In case our forces ever meet!
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Subedai on 03 January 2015, 01:47:39 PM
I'll keep  an eye out for that.
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Post by: Leman on 03 January 2015, 02:47:51 PM
An excuse to buy more Irregular 6mm Sardinians and this time paint them as Danes.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Steve J on 03 January 2015, 03:45:56 PM
QuoteI'm on 3x30x40mm bases...

You've shrunk since we last met Will!

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll get my coat... :D
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 January 2015, 04:08:18 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 03 January 2015, 03:45:56 PM
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll get my coat... :D

If FSN hasn't et it.....

IanS
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: fsn on 03 January 2015, 04:54:49 PM
*phut* Me? No. I was just ... testing it.
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Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 January 2015, 05:11:52 PM
 ;D
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Post by: WeeWars on 05 May 2015, 09:35:10 PM
Anyone else fed up with the BBC saying that 1864 is coming soon? Just tell us when  :(
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Leman on 06 May 2015, 07:25:29 AM
Sunday 16th May.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Aksu on 06 May 2015, 10:33:06 AM
I've seen it and I can recommend it, as it was aired in Finland a while back. It caused quite a controversy back in Denmark as the producers are not creating a traditional "ooh, mr darcy" type costume drama, they are jumping back and forth between the present and the past and handling some of the historical Danish figures very roughly indeed.
Word of warning if you are looking for epic battle scenes - the series builds up towards the brutal stuff over six or so episodes.
Incidentally, I was at Copenhagen a few weeks ago, and they still had in the National Museum the Danish-German exhibition of the 1864 war. Especially interesting to see the 1850s vintage weapons both sides had - the Danes had muzzle loaders, while the Prussians had breech loaders.
Anyway, if you want to understand the mindset of the Danish nation, definitely worth a try. Spoiler alert: There is even a scene with Bismarck and Moltke enjoying a bit of Floor Gaming :D
Cheers,
Aksu
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: cameronian on 06 May 2015, 01:18:00 PM
The Radio Times says that this series will be coming to BBC4 in the Spring

Spring, LOL, snowing here yesterday.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: JeffNNN on 06 May 2015, 08:53:01 PM
Just seen trailer for this. Must be pretty soon.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Subedai on 06 May 2015, 09:48:49 PM
Quote from: Leman on 06 May 2015, 07:25:29 AM
Sunday 16th May.

Brill. I will probably record it as Ma Subs commandeers the TV on Sunday evenings. No probs, more time for wargamey things for me.

Knowing my luck with me not being much of a telly watcher, unless others put stuff like this on the forum, I would very probably have missed it.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Leman on 07 May 2015, 07:35:06 AM
Well spotted Sub, nobody else seems to have clocked that post.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: KTravlos on 14 May 2015, 07:13:03 PM
English site is up!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04lcv86 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04lcv86)
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Leman on 15 May 2015, 08:45:49 AM
I appear to have misheard someone, as it is Saturday 16th BBC 4 9pm for 1864, and Sunday 17th BBC 1 9pm for Jonathan Strange and Mr.Norrel, using magic as a weapon to defeat Napoleon, apparently. Sounds worth a watch.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Fenton on 15 May 2015, 08:47:11 AM
Looking forward to the BBC America production of Bernard Cornwell Saxon Chronicles as well
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Techno on 15 May 2015, 09:02:41 AM
Quote from: Leman on 15 May 2015, 08:45:49 AM
I appear to have misheard someone, as it is Saturday 16th BBC 4 9pm for 1864, and Sunday 17th BBC 1 9pm for Jonathan Strange and Mr.Norrel, using magic as a weapon to defeat Napoleon, apparently. Sounds worth a watch.

The trailers for that have definitely piqued my interest.  :)....Looks like my 'cup of tea'.

Quote from: Fenton on 15 May 2015, 08:47:11 AM
Looking forward to the BBC America production of Bernard Cornwell Saxon Chronicles as well

Any news of dates for that, Steve ?

Cheers - Phil.

Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Fenton on 15 May 2015, 09:12:58 AM
I think they are still filming
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Post by: Leman on 15 May 2015, 10:34:25 AM
That Saxon Chronicles one sounds like it will be a good watch. Have enjoyed Vikings immensely and decided to google some of the characters in it. It appears that this adaptation is an amalgam of different episodes from the Viking period, put together to form a coherent story, so narrative history it is not, but a collection of historical stories, well, maybe, eg a Rollo did become first Duke of Normandy; a city was captured by Bjorn Ironside in Italy in the way that the capture of Paris by Ragnar is depicted. Still can't live with the soldiers of Wessex in burgonets though.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Fenton on 15 May 2015, 10:36:50 AM
I wish it was the Winter King but hopefully that might be soon (though I doubt it)
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Techno on 15 May 2015, 11:22:41 AM
Sounds like it'll be worth a gander though ! :)
Thanks for the info, chaps !
Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: mollinary on 15 May 2015, 11:34:38 AM
Two episodes, back to back! 

Mollinary
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Steve J on 15 May 2015, 12:23:16 PM
Finally some good telly for a Saturday night! I will probably record it as well just in case I fall asleep :-[.
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Post by: WeeWars on 15 May 2015, 11:28:20 PM
Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell looks like it may lead to a new project  :D
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Leman on 16 May 2015, 07:40:34 AM
A new twist on Fantasy Napoleonic - no more British Orcs?
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Steve J on 16 May 2015, 08:04:59 AM
QuoteJonathan Strange & Mr Norrell looks like it may lead to a new project

This looks interesting. There's a piece about it in the Radio Times as well as 1864, so a nice bit of light reading later.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: mollinary on 17 May 2015, 11:04:53 AM
Watched first two episodes of 1864, and really enjoyed it. Not got to the war yet, but lots of interesting background, beautiful photography, and good acting.  I enjoyed the scene with Bismarck, his sons and Moltke with their toy soldiers, but couldn't avoid letting the geek in me get the upper hand. Moltke with a moustache?  Had the researcher got hold of a photo of the wrong Moltke (Helmut the Younger) on which to base the look of the character?  Bismarck's sons , Bill and Herbert, should be about 11 and 14 when war breaks out, so even if the scene is intended to show some months earlier, aren't they a bit young?  Oh dear.   I'll get my anorak!

Mollinary
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Steve J on 17 May 2015, 12:13:28 PM
Will catch up later today. Looking forward to getting a general feel of the landscape and houses etc for my First Schleswig-Holstein campaign.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 17 May 2015, 02:10:00 PM
Have it recorded, have the armies (semi painted), dreading watching as I know I'll end up diverting from other projects! :D
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Luddite on 17 May 2015, 03:09:14 PM
It's worth a watch and it'll be interesting to see where the two time periods coincide.

Funny to watch the cultural differences regarding...um...the contents of jars.

Overall a good start, but it would have been nice to see some flashback battle scenes to perk things up a bit.  By the end of episaode 2 i was losing interest.
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Post by: KTravlos on 17 May 2015, 04:05:31 PM
The shooting is really episodes 5,6,7. 7 is Dybbol. It is glorious.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: cameronian on 18 May 2015, 02:57:11 PM
Bit disappointed they couldn't get Von Moltke right FFS, I mean how difficult is it, one shrivelled, bald, wig wearing old reptile without facial hair, grrrrr. Apart from that, looking forward to the big battle scenes. Did anyone spot the similarity between Mollinary and the Danish officer giving the men a pep talk at the end of episode 2, uncanny resemblance doncha think  ;)
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Techno on 18 May 2015, 03:18:42 PM
Quote from: Leman on 15 May 2015, 08:45:49 AM
I appear to have misheard someone, as it is Saturday 16th BBC 4 9pm for 1864, and Sunday 17th BBC 1 9pm for Jonathan Strange and Mr.Norrel, using magic as a weapon to defeat Napoleon, apparently. Sounds worth a watch.

Anyone else catch Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel ?
Thought that was rather 'fun'.

Cheers - Phil
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Fenton on 18 May 2015, 03:21:24 PM
Quote from: Techno on 18 May 2015, 03:18:42 PM
Anyone else catch Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel ?
Thought that was rather 'fun'.

Cheers - Phil

Yup thought it was very good. Will certainly be watching the rest
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Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 18 May 2015, 04:26:22 PM
Really enjoyed that!
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: WeeWars on 18 May 2015, 07:52:21 PM
Quote from: Techno on 18 May 2015, 03:18:42 PM
Anyone else catch Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel ?
Thought that was rather 'fun'.

Cheers - Phil

I'm going to start the Strange and Norrell fan club – Get Magic on the Battlefield!

My Imaginations is due a come back!
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: mollinary on 18 May 2015, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: cameronian on 18 May 2015, 02:57:11 PMDid anyone spot the similarity between Mollinary and the Danish officer giving the men a pep talk at the end of episode 2, uncanny resemblance doncha think  ;)

You flatter me, old friend. He is too slim, too spritely, too coherent, and makes far too much sense!   :D

Mollinary
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Steve J on 18 May 2015, 08:19:25 PM
QuoteAnyone else catch Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrel ?
Thought that was rather 'fun'.

Yep, myself and SWMBO enjoyed it immensely :). Nice to have some good telly to watch as the silly season beckons with this and 1864.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: cameronian on 19 May 2015, 11:46:47 AM
Quote from: mollinary on 18 May 2015, 08:01:08 PM
You flatter me, old friend. He is too slim, too spritely, too coherent, and makes far too much sense!   :D

Mollinary

;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Leman on 19 May 2015, 03:40:49 PM
Really enjoyed the first episode. Good to see Rochefort resurrected as another bad(?) guy. The review I read said that the Battle of Waterloo with magic is very stylishly done.
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Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 20 May 2015, 06:14:39 AM
Certainly enjoyed it, good spec effects.

IanS
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Chad on 31 May 2015, 11:27:29 AM
If anyone was interested in gaming this war, I have Mike Embree's book 'Bismark's First War' which I could let you have for £30 + postage.
It is an excellent book, I just never got round to war gaming the period.

Chad
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 31 May 2015, 04:10:54 PM
I have the armies Chad...
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Chad on 01 June 2015, 07:12:45 AM
No probs mate

Chad
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Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 01 June 2015, 07:33:55 AM
Just got to get the enthusiasm together to be paint them...
Maybe when I get time to finally watch 1864! ;D
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Post by: cameronian on 01 June 2015, 12:32:50 PM
As Mollinary would say, are you good enough for the cigar? OK, did anyone spot the musical anachronism in Saturday's episode?
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Post by: mollinary on 01 June 2015, 12:53:35 PM
Playing Preussen's Gloria,which was not written until after the FPW,  perhaps?  :-\  8)

Mollinary
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Rob on 01 June 2015, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: cameronian on 01 June 2015, 12:32:50 PM
As Mollinary would say, are you good enough for the cigar? OK, did anyone spot the musical anachronism in Saturday's episode?
No.
Did I really see the retreating Danes get through the Prussian lines by hypnosis?  :o I thought this was a bit silly.
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Fenton on 01 June 2015, 01:14:49 PM
I dont know anything about the period but I am enjoying it
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Post by: cameronian on 01 June 2015, 06:06:49 PM
Nope, any other takers?
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Post by: mollinary on 01 June 2015, 06:54:47 PM
Well then, I suppose you are referring to the playing of the Koniggratzer Marsch?  But then, what is one minor error among so many? I bet you didn't even notice the succession of howlers committed in the pickelhauben department?  :o  :o

Mollinary
Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: cameronian on 02 June 2015, 10:43:39 AM
Correct, give the man a cigar (preferably of the cheap variety  :P )
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Post by: Chris Pringle on 02 June 2015, 10:53:13 AM
Well I am a couple of episodes behind but am enjoying it so far. I am thinking of recreating some of its more idiosyncratic and charming vignettes in 6mm. Someone surely does suitable figures.

Chris
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Post by: Leman on 02 June 2015, 12:33:30 PM
Chris, have a look at Irregular's Piedmontese infantry from their Italian Wars of Liberation range. Here thjey are masquerading as WWI Belgians:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/WWI%20in%206mm/IMG_1339_zps03634363.jpg)

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Post by: KTravlos on 03 June 2015, 06:31:28 AM
Being in Turkey I cannot watch it on BBC 4:( Weird thing, they let us foreign devils enjoy all the radio stuff, but not the TV stuff. I did watch some of it via Zenmate (shame on me), which I had to get for those phases when the president of this country goes on one of his "no access to facebook-youtube-twitter" etc rampages, but now I cannot proxy being in the UK. Providence is telling me not to commit crimes :p

The metaphysical elements were a bit off, but the battles and the interaction of the modern girl and old man made up for them. Also the actor who plays the metaphysical element guy is a great actor, so meh, I forgive them .
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Post by: Chris Pringle on 04 June 2015, 11:45:44 AM
In the pub last night, I learned from a beermat that the Carlsberg brewery was founded in Copenhagen in 1847. So it seems that a year after Danes start drinking a lot of Carlsberg lager, the First Schleswig War breaks out in 1848. I am surprised that no historian of the Schleswig wars has commented on this rather obvious connection. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Bloody Big Bottles, anyone?

Chris

Bloody Big BATTLES!
https://uk.groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/BBB_wargames/info
http://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.co.uk/

PS @Leman: thanks for the tip, but I was thinking of some of the less military, more bucolic interludes. Do Irregular make a 1/300 scale cow?




Title: Re: 1864 - Danish tv drama
Post by: Leman on 04 June 2015, 12:33:53 PM
Both Irregular and Baccus have cows etc in 6mm. Irregular also have a nice stand of C19th civilians.