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Title: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Techno on 30 December 2014, 08:22:49 AM
Huzzah !
They're back !
This Friday at 8 o'clock, if you haven't already spotted this.
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Steve J on 30 December 2014, 08:27:30 AM
We tried to like it but it just didn't grab us. Visually excellent though.
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Post by: Leman on 30 December 2014, 08:43:31 AM
Thanks for that. I enjoyed the first series, Is Dr.Who still in it? If so he must have one busy work schedule.
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Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 30 December 2014, 09:17:15 AM
Marvellous what you can do with a time machine.

IanS
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Leman on 30 December 2014, 09:20:07 AM
This explains why 'erself is always complaining that he's been gone for ages.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Subedai on 30 December 2014, 10:33:40 AM
Yaaay!
I liked the first series immensely. The characters were sometimes a little over the top and even the almost legendary accuracy of the musketeer's matchlocks and pistols was a bit much but even so, I can put history to the back of my mind and just enjoy it as piece of escapism. I do like the settings though, very atmospheric.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: fsn on 30 December 2014, 10:45:52 AM
Unfortunately, M le Cardinal has passed. There will be no Whovian paradoxes in this series.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Ithoriel on 30 December 2014, 12:06:52 PM
Quote from: fsn on 30 December 2014, 10:45:52 AM
Unfortunately, M le Cardinal has passed. There will be no Whovian paradoxes in this series.

I trust we are about to see him replaced by Mazarin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Mazarin), who was (in my wholly biased opinion) a far more interesting character.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: fsn on 30 December 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Why? Didn't he just invent an almond paste for cake covering?
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Ithoriel on 30 December 2014, 01:07:58 PM
Quote from: fsn on 30 December 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Why? Didn't he just invent an almond paste for cake covering?

No, no, that was Herbert, 3rd Earl Marchpane. Mazarin invented the Maserati*.


*My QI elves suggest this may not be entirely true  ;)
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: DanJ on 30 December 2014, 01:43:10 PM
I think the Compte de Rochefort is going to be the big bad cheese in this series
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: fsn on 03 April 2015, 07:58:48 PM
I see the BBC has filled the slot of the excellent Musketeers with "Eurovision's Greatest Hits".

HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD?

>:(
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Fenton on 03 April 2015, 08:09:33 PM
Hasn't the second series finished?
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Ithoriel on 03 April 2015, 08:21:32 PM
"Eurovision's Greatest Hits" - a five minute programme, what do they fill the rest of the time with? :)
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: fsn on 03 April 2015, 08:22:59 PM
Yes. but I'd hoped for something in an equally swashbuckling vein.

It's like having a fine steak followed by school tapioca pudding.  >:(
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 03 April 2015, 08:29:51 PM
Especially after the writers allowed Constance to really kick bottom last week!  :'(
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Post by: Leman on 03 April 2015, 10:07:28 PM
Yeah, get him back in A Midsummer's Night's Dream.
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Post by: Nosher on 04 April 2015, 07:14:20 AM
Thoroughly enjoyed the series. Mark Warren was fab
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: fsn on 04 April 2015, 07:23:54 AM
Although not 100% accurate, I did like the way they were festooned with pistols.

... and Constance.

... and the Queen.

... but not Milady. 
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Last Hussar on 04 April 2015, 08:30:42 AM
If you haven't seen the live adaptation of Pratchett's Hogfather, its worth doing so for Warrens equally psychotic Mr Teatime. Unfortunately it means giving the Dirty Digger some money, as its a Sky production.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: getagrip on 04 April 2015, 08:32:19 AM
Haven't managed to catch this series; will box set it at some point. :)
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Leman on 04 April 2015, 11:41:38 AM
Do so, it's a right, rollicking romp.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: getagrip on 04 April 2015, 11:53:27 AM
Quote from: Leman on 04 April 2015, 11:41:38 AM
Do so, it's a right, rollicking romp.

Yeah, loved the first series but this one didn't fit our schedule and we've got so many other things to see on catch up anyway.

Will definitely get to it in time. ;)
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Hertsblue on 04 April 2015, 04:41:54 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 03 April 2015, 08:21:32 PM
"Eurovision's Greatest Hits" - a five minute programme, what do they fill the rest of the time with? :)

Wasn't it just continuing the tradition of beards and flowing gowns?
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Luddite on 05 April 2015, 02:13:51 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 30 December 2014, 08:27:30 AM
We tried to like it but it just didn't grab us. Visually excellent though.

Agreed.  I just couldn't get into it.

And, as ever with the Three 'Musketeers', rarely a musket in sight.   :(
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: FierceKitty on 05 April 2015, 03:22:49 PM
They were a cavalry unit anyway. :)
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: getagrip on 05 April 2015, 04:05:01 PM
Dragoons?  :D
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Ithoriel on 05 April 2015, 04:13:34 PM
Infantry or cavalry, as required. They guarded the king when he was outwith the royal palaces. Within the royal palaces the king was guarded by the Swiss Guard.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 05 April 2015, 04:14:18 PM
And the Cardinal's Guard was nowhere to be found! ;)
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Ithoriel on 05 April 2015, 04:22:26 PM
2nd Company of the musketeers reported to Richelieu and then, on his death, to Cardinal Mazarin. Mazarin eventually disbanded them, iirc.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Orcs on 05 April 2015, 07:10:33 PM
I watched every one.  it was the story line not the Totty with heaving bosoms! That held me transfixed  ;)
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: fsn on 05 April 2015, 07:29:15 PM
Absolutely! Snappy story lines, and Ryan Gage as Kingie did a wonderful job as naive, loopy, randy, very loopy, murderous and then a bit more loopy.

The heaving bosoms did help though.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Orcs on 06 April 2015, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: fsn on 05 April 2015, 07:29:15 PM
Absolutely! Snappy story lines, and Ryan Gage as Kingie did a wonderful job as naive, loopy, randy, very loopy, murderous and then a bit more loopy.

The heaving bosoms did help though.

Its all that inbreeding that makes Royalty loopy.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Hertsblue on 07 April 2015, 10:27:44 AM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 05 April 2015, 04:22:26 PM
2nd Company of the musketeers reported to Richelieu and then, on his death, to Cardinal Mazarin. Mazarin eventually disbanded them, iirc.

The two companies of Mousquetaires du Roi (the grey and the black, after the colour of their horses) were still part of the Maison du Roi at Ramilles in 1706. The corps survived through to 1814. 
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Ithoriel on 07 April 2015, 12:00:40 PM
Finally bothered to go look this up - as I should have done in the first place!

From Wikipedia:

They were founded in 1622 when Louis XIII furnished a company of light cavalry (the carabins, created by Louis' father Henry IV) with muskets. The Musketeers fought in battle both on foot (infantry) and on horseback (cavalry). They formed the royal guard for the king while he was outside of the royal residences (within the royal residences, the king's guard was the Garde du corps and the Gardes suisses). The Musketeers of the Guard wore an early type of military uniform with a tabard (known as soubreveste), indicating that they "belonged" to the King, and an embroidered white cross denoting the fact that they were formed during the Huguenot rebellions in support of the Catholic cause.

Shortly after the Musketeers were established and then a second company was founded to report to Cardinal Richelieu. At the cardinal's death in 1642, the company passed to his successor Cardinal Mazarin, who disbanded his Musketeers in 1646. He revived the Musketeers in 1657 with a company of 150 men. At Mazarin's death in 1661, the cardinal's Musketeers passed to Louis XIV.

In 1664, the two companies were reorganized: one company took the name "Grey Musketeers" (mousquetaires gris) from the color of their matched horses, while the second were called "Black Musketeers" (mousquetaires noirs), mounted on black horses. At roughly the same time, the size of the Musketeer companies was doubled.

The Musketeers were among the most prestigious of the military companies of the Ancien Régime, and in principle membership in the companies was reserved for nobles. With the reforms of Michel le Tellier – which mandated a certain number of years of military service before nobles could attain the rank of officer – many nobles sought to do this service in the privileged Musketeer companies.

In 1776, the Musketeers were disbanded by Louis XVI for budgetary reasons. Reformed in 1789, they were disbanded again shortly afterward during the French Revolution. They were reformed on July 6, 1814, and definitively disbanded on January 1, 1816.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Westmarcher on 07 April 2015, 12:08:53 PM
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 06 April 2015, 11:21:24 AM
Its all that inbreeding that makes Royalty loopy.

I wonder how many of us are 'Royal.'

FSN is definitely 'Royal' - or should that be 'Royle?'

Very interesting, by the way, Ithoriel.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Orcs on 07 April 2015, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 07 April 2015, 12:08:53 PM
I wonder how many of us are 'Royal.'

FSN is definitely 'Royal' - or should that be 'Royle?'

Very interesting, by the way, Ithoriel.

Probably quite a few, none of them seem to be able to keep thier pants on - male or female.

Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 April 2015, 01:05:55 AM
There's a reason my family's traditional middle name is 'Stuart'...
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: GordonY on 08 April 2015, 05:36:55 AM
3rd season just announced
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Last Hussar on 08 April 2015, 10:58:52 PM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 08 April 2015, 01:05:55 AM
There's a reason my family's traditional middle name is 'Stuart'...

Because you have a tendency to lose your head?
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 April 2015, 11:30:29 PM
5'10" now, 4'8" at death?
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Hertsblue on 09 April 2015, 08:16:08 AM
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 07 April 2015, 10:58:04 PM
Probably quite a few, none of them seem to be able to keep thier pants on - male or female.

As witnessed by Richard III's last living relative - a furniture-maker from North London. 
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Westmarcher on 09 April 2015, 08:21:43 AM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 07 April 2015, 12:08:53 PM
I wonder how many of us are 'Royal.'
Quote from: Just a few Orcs on 07 April 2015, 10:58:04 PM
Probably quite a few, none of them seem to be able to keep thier pants on - male or female.

:D

Good point, Orcs. Wasn't thinking about that angle - was thinking more about the 'loopy' part!

Quote from: mad lemmey on 08 April 2015, 01:05:55 AM
There's a reason my family's traditional middle name is 'Stuart'...

As a further example, when you read Scottish history from about the 15th century onwards, it frequently happens that 'real' name of the Scottish noble or land owner you are reading about is 'James Stewart' because of marriage or the activity Orcs is referring to. OK when the author refers to them by title but when he starts referring to the different personalities by name (e.g., personality is referred to as 'Moray' - but that's his title - real name is Stewart), it gets a tad confusing. Stuart, by the way, is the French form of Stewart which Mary Queen of Scots introduced when she returned to Scotland after her husband, the Dauphine, died.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 09 April 2015, 09:13:43 AM
Just to confirm, it was a Stuart and a chambermaid! :)
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Post by: FierceKitty on 09 April 2015, 09:24:34 AM
I once had a fellow student who had imperial Byzantine ancestry. Sadly, her Greek name (Kantekouzinos) was beyond South African pronounciation, and she changed it to Cousins.
I've got some Stuart ancestry myself. But so have about fifty thousand other people, sadly.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 09 April 2015, 09:41:04 AM
Quote from: mad lemmey on 08 April 2015, 11:30:29 PM
5'10" now, 4'8" at death?

No - they  normally sowed it back on - unless drawn and quartered.

IanS
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Westmarcher on 09 April 2015, 10:36:07 AM
Yep. I think they called that one a 'Techno."   :)
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Post by: getagrip on 09 April 2015, 07:37:21 PM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 09 April 2015, 10:36:07 AM
Yep. I think they called that one a 'Techno."   :)

;D ;D ;D

Maybe he's trying to achieve that really slowly. :D
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Techno on 10 April 2015, 05:36:38 AM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 09 April 2015, 10:36:07 AM
Yep. I think they called that one a 'Techno."   :)

:P
Cheers - Phil.
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 10 April 2015, 06:40:28 AM
Quote from: getagrip on 09 April 2015, 07:37:21 PM
;D ;D ;D

Maybe he's trying to achieve that really slowly. :D

Not that is Chinese - death of a 1000 accidents...... ;)

IanS
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: getagrip on 13 April 2015, 11:50:38 AM
Quote from: ianrs54 on 10 April 2015, 06:40:28 AM
Not that is Chinese - death of a 1000 accidents...... ;)

IanS

That was last year's tally. :D
Title: Re: Musketeers 2nd series.
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 April 2015, 12:05:25 PM
As few as that ?

IanS