Hi Folks,
I'm a newcomer to Pendraken and more specifically 10 mm figures. When I first saw photos of some of the 18th/19th century ranges, I was staggered by the detail and particularly the balanced physical shape of the figures.
Could never have imagined myself painting this scale but it seems to be going quite well; any painting tips will be appreciated - does anyone favour particular brands of paints and brushes ? (I use mostly Vallejo, sometimes Miniature Paints or Coat D'Arms).
I'm concentrating on Franco Prussian War and War of Spanish Succession. Does anyone have recommendations for reference material/sources regarding uniform colours. I've ordered CS Grant's books on WSS (Partizan Press).
I think Partizan also do a book on Prussian troops of the Franco Prussian War but it seems to be quite expensive - worth the money?
Regards
Peter
Ealing London W3
Welcome Peter, you are likely to get much helpful and interesting advice
I use Vallejo and am very happy with them :)
I am also a big fan of washes to add depth and emphasis.
I will leave it to the several experts on the forum to answer your FPW & WSS questions
Enjoy Pendraken 10mm
A very warm welcome, Peter.
I'll leave it to those that paint the wee chaps far more frequently than myself. ;)
I'm pretty certain there are a number of 'articles' on the forum already, which are definitely worth a look......Probably in the painting section. (Said he, guessing wildly.)
If I get the chance, I'll go and find some, and pop some links in
(I expect one of the others will do that well before me ! ;) ;D
I'd vote for Vallejo too.
Cheers - Phil
welcome to the mad house ;D
I am also doing a War of Spanish Succession project, the books below were recomended to me by more knowledgable people who know the period well
Robert Hall uniform CD's avaiable from Baccus 6mm are very good lots of color plates
CS Grant
ARMIES AND UNIFORMS OF MARLBOROUGH'S WARS, THE:V1 details organisation of units in the main armies
ARMIES AND UNIFORMS OF MARLBOROUGH'S WARS, THE:V2 details organisation of units in the main armies
From Pike to Shot 1685 to 1720
Mark Allen articles in issues of Wargames illustrated are very good
David Chandler - Warfare in the Age of Marlborough
Editions Brokaw booklets written by Pat Condray
WARGAMER'S INTRODUCTION TO THE AGE OF MARLBOROUGH I - ENGLISH, FRENCH, DUTCH etc Revised 3rd edition £8.50
The above book is full of info but the production quality is absolute pants :( , text is about size 8 most of it was smudged and could not be read, illustrations were the same, tried contacting the author about it but got no response ended up retyping the text in the book so I could read it.
Uniformology books
LACE WARS SCENARIOS 4 / THE WARS OF THE SPANISH SUCCESSION
Osprey
The Wild Geese [The Irish Brigades of France and Spain] Men-at-Arms 102 £9.99
Louis XIV's Army Men-at-Arms 203 £9.99
The British Army 1660–1704 Men-at-Arms 267 £9.99
Marlborough's Army 1702–11 Men-at-Arms 97 £9.99
Blenheim 1704 Campaign 141 £14.99
FLAGS OF THE MARLBURIAN WARS: TROPHEES DE LA GUERRE DE SUCCESSION D'ESPAGNE 1700... £29.50
HANOVERIAN ARMIES DURING THE WAR OF THE SPANISH SUCCESSION £4.99
INFANTRY COLORS UNDER LOUIS X1V VOLUME 2 £5.99
Uniformology 1 - The Army of the Blue King: The Army of Duke Maximilian Emmanuel. £11.50
The Funcken Lace wars book were also recomended but some people advised the uniforms were not very accurate
apologies for the capitals keyboard has gone a bit wonky today :(
PM me if you like and I can send you more info
The Pike & Shot Society do a great series of books that cover this period. It is worth joining as your membership fee is more than made back by the discounts. Plus many manufacturers give you a handy 10% discount
http://www.pikeandshotsociety.org/sales.htm (http://www.pikeandshotsociety.org/sales.htm)
Ian
Welcome on board Pete.
Good morning and welcome.
FrancoPrussian War is one of my favourites (eight corps and counting).
The Osprey guides are good, The Prussian pair are definitely better than the French...
Would heartily recommend Coat d'Arms Deadly Nightshade Blue as a base coat...
Hi Peter, welcome to the melee scrum forum.
For the WSS - any or all of the Editions Brokaw booklets. And I would add the Osprey Campaign title Ramillies 1706 to the list of useful volumes, and James Falkner's Great and Glorious Days covering Marlborough's greatest actions.
For the FPW, The Franco-Prussian War by Michael Howard is reckoned the definitive work. Quintin Barry's The Franco-Prussian War 1870-71 is a readable acount. Volume 1 covers the Sedan Campaign. David Ascoli's A Day of Battle covers the seminal Battle of Mars-la-Tour in detail. Two Osprey titles are useful; The Franco-Prussian War 1870-1871 by Stephen Badsey, which is a potted history of the war, and Gravelotte-St. Privat 1870 by Philipp Elliot-Wright, an account of the destruction of the French forces under Bazaine.
Hope all this isn't too overwhelming.
For WSS forget about Funcken, it has some info, but its a bit shakey. Its decent for SYW, although not perfect.
Thanks all,
Nice welcome.
Some forums (or is the plural 'forae', 'forai'!!!!) look intriguing but once you've registered it becomes clear that it's hardly used at all; last post was before the early Roman Empire that you happen to be researching!!! :o
WSS
Yes, I'll think that the Funcken books will get a pass on this occasion. I've ordered the CS Grant titles.
Thanks for the guidance though as it's always good to get clarification of what's good or not - and what is, or isn't, readily available!
Being the difficult sort I am, I'm targeting the Italian campaigns from 1700-1710; could be some interesting scenarios there? I have the book by N Henderson on Eugene of Savoy which has a few chapters on this and I believe the CS Grant books also cover this theatre of the war.
HOWEVER, ANY IDEAS ON ADDITIONAL BOOKS FOR THESE CAMPAIGNS AND PERIOD, IN GENERAL, WOULD BE WELCOME.
Peter
Hi and welcome.
I can't give you any help on your chosen periods but for painting 10mm figures I undercoat in black then heavy dry brush with main colour, pick out the detail and get them based up!
Thanks for that, I'll order some.
Have been using Vallejo Prussian blue which is good but always worth while trying something else.
Leading on from that, here's a geeky Nerd one - do you know if the colour of Prussian uniforms, of the period, was consistent?
Peter :ar!
Peter,
I doubt whether any uniform colours of the period were consistent. The vegetable dyes used were subject to fading after a relatively short period. And in any case conventional wisdom says that when painting small figures it's best to use a slightly lighter shade.
Quote from: LondonPete51 on 04 November 2014, 02:23:53 PM
Leading on from that, here's a geeky Nerd one - do you know if the colour of Prussian uniforms, of the period, was consistent?
I would also suspect that there would be variations based on dye quality, fading, etc but note I know almost nothing on this particular period ;)
From a painting perspective I find variation in colour really helps bring a unit to life. One option is to use the same base colour but highlight differently.
In my ITLSU 1914 project I used a different highlight for each of jacket, pants and hat/puttees in different combinations.
Hi Peter, welcome to the Forum!
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Quote from: LondonPete51 on 04 November 2014, 02:00:31 PM
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Some forums (or is the plural 'forae', 'forai'!!!!) look intriguing but once you've registered it becomes clear that it's hardly used at all; last post was before the early Roman Empire that you happen to be researching!!! :o
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FORVM, many
FORA. But if you want to use Latin forms, watch out; there are many caltrops for the unwary to tread on.
....AND I PROBABLY WOULD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Peter :(
Welcome, Pete :)
Hi Pete and welcome to the Forum. Late C19th is one of my favourite periods. People have mentioned a lot of the reading material that I have, but I would also recommend Douglas Fermer's two volume history - Sedan and France At Bay, published by Pen and Sword. Also Bruce Weigle's 1870 rules have a huge amount of info about the war (more than half the book), and recently Wyre Forest Wargamers published a downloadable set of rules for playing FPW as a Fire and Fury game. Also recently published, and available from Caliver Books, is Bloody Big Battles, with the featured scenarios in the rulebook all being FPW [There is a scenario book as well, but it does not feature any FPW scenarios. However there are three free scenarios on the BBB Yahoo Group site all from the Republican phase of the war]. Finally They Died for Glory rules features a number of Imperial phase scenarios which are smaller than the BBB ones, ie Froeschwiller is split into a number of engagements, rather than being fought as a single large battle. Les Gens Braves is also a nice little set of rules for fighting at battalion level. Both are also available from Caliver books.
As for paints I generally use Miniature Paints Royal blue for both French and Prussians, but give French greatcoats a drybrush of blue-grey before adding details. Don't forget that most French officers wore the fashionable black uniform jacket rather than blue. I also finish of my figures with a coat of magic wash - see Fat Wally's website for details - it works a treat:
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g440/dourpuritan/Froeschwiller%20Project/IMG_1309_zps766ba16f.jpg)
Welcome Pete,
I will not mention WSS as one or two of the other forum members have been waiting for me to paint my WSS British since Tom Baker was Dr Who - well thats what they will claim.
Cheers
Orcs
Nice looking infantry, DP. :-bd
Quote from: Hertsblue on 28 November 2014, 09:28:02 AM
Nice looking infantry, DP. :-bd
Seconded !
Cheers - Phil
I'd repeat what Hertsblue said re reading material - The Franco-Prussian War by Michael Howard is reckoned the definitive work. Quintin Barry's The Franco-Prussian War 1870-71 is a readable acount. Volume 1 covers the Sedan Campaign. David Ascoli's A Day of Battle covers the seminal Battle of Mars-la-Tour in detail. Two Osprey titles are useful; The Franco-Prussian War 1870-1871 by Stephen Badsey, which is a potted history of the war, and Gravelotte-St. Privat 1870 by Philipp Elliot-Wright, an account of the destruction of the French forces under Bazaine.
I'd also recommend Wawro's book The Franco German War, as with all his stuff it should be taken cum grano salis however there is plenty of good stuff in it. The CWS do some good booklets, also Colonel Henderson's books on Spichern and Woerth (available from Helion, have a look at the whole Helion catalogue online, very comprehensive) - oh and lovely figures DP (waiting for my Fernando boys to arrive any day now, Christmas come early!)
Have dug out and am in the process of basing my old, but still serviceable, 6mm FPW for BBB. The tens will now be doing service in the smaller actions of the FPW and APW probably using the Polemos rules.