Painting Comp Feedback

[Matt J]

Also, won't certain British post war tanks automatically get extra points for being beautiful and powerful and all a man can want?

I think that's a good idea 

[FierceKitty]

Crusader tanks are pretty, and also nomenclaturally remind one of battles that are fun to fight.

[fred.]

There was a purple and yellow paint scheme for the Sudan in 41 or so.

Not sure if this delightful scheme was ever used in action, but 3RTR did paint their tanks like these, before being redeployed to Greece.

[Ithoriel]

Land Rover IIA (Pink Panther), as produced by Marshall's in 1968, apparently

[fsn]

All of which is nice, but my question remains. Would a historically inaccurate, but beautifully painted entry be docked points? If so, isn't it easier just to enter imaginary entries that can't be queried?

 

[fred.]

I don't know.

Why not give it a try - a rainbow range of Centurions for next year 

[fsn]

It was actually a serious question, aimed at the judges?

[O Dinas Powys]

It was actually a serious question, aimed at the judges?

I would imagine historical verisimilitude is irrelevant to a decent paint-job, if only because the judges will not necessarily be an expert or even be interested in a particular historical period.

The level of historical accuracy is surely down to the individual painter and what they are happy to field in their own army, both in terms of figure choice and paint scheme.

Cheers,

Meirion

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Or is it aimed at Mat's amazing tank! Love that crazy camo.

[Steve J]

Love that crazy camo.

Based upon the Berlin Brigade methinks . Scroll down to page two on the following pdf:

http://www.armouredacorn.com/Refs-%20Thumbprints%20&%20Images/NCVM%20Index/Britain/MBTs.pdf

[Techno]

Personally.... And I'm not speaking for anyone else here.

Have to admit, that's not something that I'd even imagine would ever happen.
My guess is that it would produce 'howls of protest' from the forum.....and we'd have to discuss it (in one of the secret rooms.  )
Again, personally....I don't really think anyone would take hours and hours of time to produce something wonderfully painted... that they'd be worried about putting on the gaming table.....Unless it went in the Fantasy and Sci-Fi section, where as, as far as I'm concerned, that would be absolutely fine.
There, you have basically free rein.

I'm pretty sure I'd want to see something that's basically 'historically accurate' rather than 'pretty and outrageous'.....But that's just me......And when I say historically accurate....The folk that are painting these figures know thousands of times more than I do.....So I trust their accuracy.
Most put so much research into getting it right.

If something was painted just the wrong shade of heliotrope or taupe on a model......I'm sure I wouldn't be able to tell.

If we took it to the nth level.......We'd never finish the judging.

Cheers - Phil.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Based upon the Berlin Brigade methinks . Scroll down to page two on the following pdf:

http://www.armouredacorn.com/Refs-%20Thumbprints%20&%20Images/NCVM%20Index/Britain/MBTs.pdf

Ahhh, thanks sir.
Love the Berlin pattern, wish I had one iota of the skill to try it!
When I get back onto a main computer that pdf is getting saved!

[clibinarium]

I can't see it as being of much relevance; its the execution of the paint job that's being judged, not the accuracy of the uniform. Perhaps it might be relevant if two entries were equally good with nothing else to choose between them, but I can't see that ever being the case as there'll always be something in the painting that can separate two entries. Plus as has been pointed out no judge will know everything about every period.
Having judged a couple of these now I don't recall accuracy being  important to the decision making.

Good photography far is more relevant to an painter's chances of success; its harder to award points to something that looks like it might be well painted but is out of focus than it is to a unit with the wrong colour of plumes.

[fsn]

Thank you Clib for answering that one.

[Matt J]

Based upon the Berlin Brigade methinks Undecided Wink

Yep, Steve is right it is based on the Berlin brigade camo, love it. I did a bit of research (though moderns isn't my sphere of interest - at the mo) and I know Centurions were part of the Berlin Brigade but probably not at the point the Berlin camo was introduced so without a chieftain available I've used a bit of artistic license. Its for my zombie wars stuff so the pedant in me was subdued somewhat.

Love the Berlin pattern, wish I had one iota of the skill to try it!

Glad you like it Will, it was fun to do, not something i'd try on smaller WW2 tanks.

[nikharwood]

I can't see it as being of much relevance; its the execution of the paint job that's being judged, not the accuracy of the uniform. Perhaps it might be relevant if two entries were equally good with nothing else to choose between them, but I can't see that ever being the case as there'll always be something in the painting that can separate two entries. Plus as has been pointed out no judge will know everything about every period.
Having judged a couple of these now I don't recall accuracy being a important to the decision making.

Good photography far is more relevant to an painter's chances of success; its harder to award points to something that looks like it might be well painted but is out of focus than it is to a unit with the wrong colour of plumes.

Agreed - and, this being 10mm, there are times when the 'impressionistic' style can gain serious points.

Really, it's about skill, style, presentation and the 'wow' factor...

[toxicpixie]

I do like the Berlin Brigade camo, it's cracking - and that Cent is a great example of it. Just one question - is *any* camo any good against the walking dead?!

[Leon]

Thanks for all the feedback, it's always appreciated.  The standard of the entries this year was fantastically high, and thanks to everyone who has entered.

From our end, there are 3 things which drive the Competition:

1. A fun event to encourage everyone to chip away at their lead pile.
2. A great showcase for both Pendraken and 10mm in general, showing people what can be achieved in this scale.
3. A source of inspiration and ideas which we can take away for our own projects.

Over the past 4 competitions, we've seen outstanding pieces of work, many of which we didn't think were even possible!  Every year I get Dave sat down to do his judging, and the phrase 'Wow' becomes quite the norm for an hour or so!  As the competition grows and evolves, it will always attract higher and higher levels of painting, and more people from outside the usual spectrum.  Those factors all contribute to points 2 and 3 above, and are a positive thing.  When that starts to impact on point 1, then we have to look at it and make changes where necessary.

With 1 exception I made a conscious decison not to enter the competition this year. Last year I was struck by the number of existing members entering who have very litle involvement with the forum for the rest of the year, and the number of new forum members who join purely to enter the competition (presumably with a view to winning).I noted the same again this year. For me entering like this is not in the spirit if the forum.

I completely understand the point, and it's something we've discussed briefly behind the scenes.  There's a lot of other factors to consider though, so it's a tricky one to discuss.  The main one being that a lot of the folk who've entered who might be less active on the Forum are still very active customers, many of them on a weekly/monthly basis.  Is the Painting Comp a Forum thing, or a broader Pendraken one?  If we call it a forum event, then the point becomes much more important, however as a wider Pendraken competition, then anyone who has contributed by buying figures is eligible to enter.

Just for interest, of the previous years winners, only 6 out of the 28 winners/runner-up prizes awarded over the 2012/2013 competitions were to folk who we don't hear from much, whether on here or by emails/orders.

There's always the option of adding a 'minimum number of posts' requirement to the rules, much like we did for the 100k post competition?  It would limit the newer members maybe, but on the whole could work?

Last years people's winner has only made 4 posts on the forum and I dont think entered this year

True, but the people voted for that one!

20th C. Foot = WWII
Maybe we should expand the time range... (And thus, my dirty ancients would not have to compete against those brilliant napoleonics!)  

I do agree about the split there, it makes sense with vehicles though.
I think it might be to do with sponsors and Dave's original interests!

The split was suggested after the very first competition, as the WWI/WWII browns and greens were struggling to grab the attention next to all the colours of the earlier periods.  I don't know if it's worth another split though, as the Ancient period can still look very eye-catching, as evidenced by there being a few prize winning Ancient entries in previous years.

My question chaps is about the judging of the competition. Are entries judged only on style and accuracy, or is some element historicity required?

The style and accuracy would take priority, as the other chaps have said.  Personally, I'm not that bothered if the collar matches the cuffs, as long as the whole thing looks good!   




If there's any more feedback, please post it up.  As I mentioned at the start of this rather long post, it's all about making a fun event for everyone, so we want to keep it that way.

[paulr]

Thanks for all the feedback, it's always appreciated.  The standard of the entries this year was fantastically high, and thanks to everyone who has entered.

From our end, there are 3 things which drive the Competition:

1. A fun event to encourage everyone to chip away at their lead pile.
2. A great showcase for both Pendraken and 10mm in general, showing people what can be achieved in this scale.
3. A source of inspiration and ideas which we can take away for our own projects.

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If there's any more feedback, please post it up.  As I mentioned at the start of this rather long post, it's all about making a fun event for everyone, so we want to keep it that way.

Very well said that clone

Perhaps, with the dedication of the People's choice award this year, 'Aart Brouwer People's Choice Award', we should consider Forum involvement when casting our votes.  
Those who knew Aart better than I may be able to offer some guidance

On a personal note the competition has achieved all three of the above drivers and most importantly has been fun.  

Many many thanks to Pendraken for organising it, the other sponsors for their generosity, and the esteemed judges for their efforts.

[Sandinista]

If it encourages new people to post good and if at the same time the figures are brilliant then the competition is doing its job in promoting the Pendraken product