Sealion 2.0

[sebigboss79]

Long time no post but ran into a chap serving in the RAF.

He basically stated: "Two more weeks and RAF would have folded."

Unfortunately we did not have the luxury to linger around but he had some good advice for me and we shall continue our conversation at a more convenient time.
The topic is not forgotten!

[freddy326]

Hi Sebigboss,

Long time no hear!

I think the comment of "Two more weeks and RAF would have folded." may have need to be explained a bit further if you can. I was under the impression that the RAF strategy was to withdraw to 12 Group if the airfields were knocked out?

Yes I do try to check the facts before I post them and avoid the rhetoric from either sides!!

@Leon strangely I thought this forum was being quite good natured! other sealion threads I've been in have descended into ranting long before this!

regards

Freddy

[sebigboss79]

Hi freddy and wb

Sadly the gent had to dash but I will get in touch with him. He quickly gave me some leads to the Imperial War Museum.

The "fact" comment was not meant to be offensive, more like: Whatever the facts are please share the sources as well. Yes the source may be wrong but that happens in a discussion.

Generally the forum is very friendly -unlike others- and especially being German I see a lot of people will frown at the mere notion of the idea that Sealion could have been anything but a desaster.

As I stated simply ask all participants to acknowledge how inedaquate and incompetent Sealion was planned. Something the Germans had not been doing up to then!
Secondly I would ask to contemplate the fact that besides asuming massive advantages for the British side the Sandhurst Wargame concluded the Germans would successfully land and move as close as the GHQ line.

Now the question we are asking here is: What if the Germans had been a bit more competent AND what if they had attempted the invasion on more favourable terms as the Sandhurst Wargame suggests.

Game On

[Steve J]

Now the question we are asking here is: What if the Germans had been a bit more competent AND what if they had attempted the invasion on more favourable terms as the Sandhurst Wargame suggests.

I found "Invasion!" by Kenneth Macksey to be a very good read and a very plausible 'what if?' scenario. At the back of the book he addresses many of the issues that both the Germans and British would have faced if an invasion was attempted. Alongside this I would add "Fighter" by Len Deighton that gives a very good overview of the Battle of Britain and again the issues faced by both sides.

[sebigboss79]

I found "Invasion!" by Kenneth Macksey to be a very good read and a very plausible 'what if?' scenario. At the back of the book he addresses many of the issues that both the Germans and British would have faced if an invasion was attempted. Alongside this I would add "Fighter" by Len Deighton that gives a very good overview of the Battle of Britain and again the issues faced by both sides.

I have read Sealion (Cox) and If Britain had fallen (Longmate), also good stuff.
And as to the previous post let me add that despite the suggested possibility of a fully successful Sealion there is no chance of a German Victory Parade at the end of the war. Eventually the Americans are drawn into open fighting and the combined powers will overcome any alliance the Germans could possibly forge.

[Orcs]

I think that Sealion succeeded! it took 70 years but its happened :-

Our roads are full of BMW's, VW,s Audis, Mercedes and Skodas.
Our Kitchens full of Bosch appliances,
Supermarkets full of German wine ,
Henning Wehn on the radio
Angela Merkel in charge o the European Union and on TV
Germans Familly in Buckingham Palace

And to cap it all flippin Seb in Scotland !!!!!   

[sebigboss79]

 

[Steve J]

Henning Wehn on the radio

I find him extremely funny on the radio, especially 'The Unbelievable Truth'. Oh and by the way Skoda were/are Czech, not German .

[sebigboss79]

But from an area that was German/Austrian once (before we took them back) *ducks for cover*

[Steve J]

The Sudetenland by any chance .

[sebigboss79]

I would need to check but I seem to recall it was an Austrian-Hungarian wepons manufacturer....

[fsn]

Gentlemen,

This discussion could quickly disintegrate into a historical nitpicking. Can't we just agree that Europe has been messy, map wise, forever?

[Orcs]

I find him extremely funny on the radio, especially 'The Unbelievable Truth'. Oh and by the way Skoda were/are Czech, not German .

Yep he is really good.

I included tham as they were annexed by Germanyin 1938 and Skoda are now part of the Volkeswagen Audi group using the same parts.

[Orcs]

Gentlemen,

This discussion could quickly disintegrate into a historical nitpicking. Can't we just agree that Europe has been messy, map wise, forever?

I think that most of the world is messy map wise - especially in africa where the borders were drawn on a map in a meeting in london.