Pics of the new Gallic sculpts!

[nikharwood]

The trouble is P.....Who knows ?
One historical expert may say or think one thing.....another may say just the opposite !
The 'sad' thing (to me) with certain aspects of the ancients is that that we may never know for absolute certainty, until some clever soul invents a time machine.
(And we can go back and take photographs. )......But then....If we go back and watch a single battle....Would that be the definitive answer.....Or might that be the exception ?

Cheers - Phil.

Although, of course, if some clever soul had invented a time machine, then we'd know by now as this kind of thing would be redundant...what's that line?

"The best thing about lending someone your time machine is that you basically get it back immediately"  

[Ithoriel]

"WHAT DO WE WANT!?"

"A TIME MACHINE!!"

"WHEN DO WE WANT IT!?"

"That's pretty much irrelevant isn't it?"

[Phobos]

In fact, the issue about celtic chainmail in the academics is VERY clear.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

And the answer is Phobis?

[Techno]

Found it !

Should have looked there yesterday.

Phobos is quite correct regarding the infantry.....They are portrayed as having either what (to me) are short sleeved 'capped tee-shirt' style chain-mail shirts....or sleeveless shirts with the shoulder pieces similar to Greek cuirasses(?) (Pretty sure I've done those right on the infantry.)
Ian Heath has drawn the cavalry with long sleeved chain-mail.
Where Mr Heath has taken that image from I don't know.....But I'll take his word for it.
Like I say.....Will we ever know with 100% certainty ?

Cheers - Phil

[chalkie]

They are great, bet sculpting a hard thing to do.

Paul.

[Techno]

They are great, bet sculpting a hard thing to do.
Paul.

Not really Paul......Basically just down to practice and a lot of patience. (Especially when you first start.)
The most 'difficult' and time consuming/gradual process is learning to build up to a decent speed.
Cheers - Phil

[Phobos]

You mean Ian Heath in WRG Armies of the Punic and Macedonian Wars?

[Techno]

That's the one P !!
Page 154....Diagram 126.
The text is hardly comprehensive though........."Many might wear mail" is about as detailed as it gets regarding chain-mail.
Cheers - Phil

[Phobos]

I think the illustration wears a long sleeve shirt of fabric, but no mail... at least, Ian illustrates it far different of the chainmail in other figures. But yes, not the best explanation of the book.
Anyway, lovely figs, and cover the mail in arms is not difficult with a little piece of putty.

[WeeWars]

Yes, the Ian Heath illustration 126 shows a man dressed in a checked sleeved-tunic. The helmet reference is to the Gundestrup cauldron:



126 notes that nobles and their retainers might wear mail. The mail would look like 124 or 125.



I haven't seen any evidence for long-sleeved hauberks until later periods. The Romans credited the Celts with the invention of mail but we have to remember that it was very expensive to produce and may have been seen as a waste to protect arms especially if a warrior was protected with a shield as well.

Cheers, Michael

[WeeWars]

From Stephen Allen, Osprey, Celtic Warrior: "Mail-shirts were an even rarer sight on the battlefield than helmets. They were worn only by noble warriors of the very highest status."

[Techno]

I can always change them at 'whenever' stage.....And give a bit more variation if 'The Man' wants.
Cheers - Phil

[Phobos]

I LOVE that celtic helms...

[Techno]

I'm beginning to wonder if my dreadful perception of two dimensional images, has been 'having a laugh' at me ?
Looking again at the line drawing of the celt cavalryman........
Am I turning a tiny, tiny check pattern into chain-mail ? (And seeing chain-mail because it's mentioned in the text.?)

I'll ask if Leon will pop the cavalry back down......I can change soon the mail shirts into completely plain shirts.
Only take me a few minutes for each one.
Won't be a problem at all.

Cheers - Phil.

[Techno]

Update !!

Yep !!....We're going to go with that, and I'll turn them into 'plain' shirted bods......and at the same time do a mounted command group, once poor old Leon's had a chance to turn the originals into metal masters and I can have a couple of sets.
Lots of thanks to Lemmey for his assistance today !....I've got it sussed now (I hope... )
Cheers - Phil.

[WeeWars]

 

[jdeleonardis]

Wow Phil - those are just spectacular.  You do amazing work.

[Phobos]

Regarding the war chariot: The old one (the structure) is really good, it only need a couple of good new horses and new crew, imho. And a yoke for the horses!

[Techno]

AT LAST !

About to tweak some master metal cavalry, so that they have plain shirt/tunics...(as opposed to the mail they had before)..and turn the originals into a command group.

Couple of comments regarding the command bods, which I'd appreciate any input on.

Intentions are.....

Chieftain.....WILL have a mail shirt, as he's 'upper class'.....Going to give him a sword, rather than a spear, so he stands out a bit.
Musician and Standard Bearer......Plain tunics.
Musician will have an animal horn shaped horn, rather than the elongated 'thingy' that I've given the foot musician.

Anything that sounds wrong.....Shout !
I want to try and get these right first go.....and they won't take too long once I've started them.

Cheers - Phil.