Fantasy: Chaos Warriors

[barbarian]

I'm currently at 6 finished.

[Vulpine]

I have a 10mm fant army now using med evil knights on foot etc. if Leon produced you guys they would make very nice chosen/heros . Oh! You should do some on horses... If I were you I'd get them moulded and then chop of at waist and convert a current horse with armoured legs.

[Vulpine]

Here we go, my work on a Nurglr chaos lord on chariot

First up, my chariots are going to be dragged by giant rats, but my lord something a little more... Icky

http://img19.imageshack.us/i/imagezjfux.jpg/
Now Im using the Tentical Bahenoth to drag the chariot, but having two identical tentacles would look odd so I removed the tale of one and will re sculpted my self.

http://img692.imageshack.us/i/imagelcr.jpg/
Now I've sculpted the tale back on and will place the chariot before doing my finishing touches

http://www.pendraken.co.uk/FB4-p4795/
Next the lord. I will start with the above and hopefully my skills with green stuff can do something half decent... So first go at 10mm putty...

http://img145.imageshack.us/i/imagetj.jpg/
I've made the helmet, added armour to the upper arms and legs and a large fur cloak to the original.

http://img191.imageshack.us/i/imageuxb.jpg/
http://img10.imageshack.us/i/imagevxi.jpg/
http://img585.imageshack.us/i/imageiivo.jpg/
Here's the chariot in place, Tenticals added and lord mounted

http://img560.imageshack.us/i/imagerrd.jpg/
While I'm imageShacking, hers the start of my knights, they (and my warriors in foot) just need the coffin lid style shields adding. Note: the horn made by cutting and bending a lance.

[Dunnadd]

all very nice figures - barbarian (techno ?)'s  and vulpine's

Barbarian - from your photos it looks like no soldering is required to model 10mm figures' wire frames and you just twisted wires together? Is that right or was soldering necessary and just not shown?

[Techno]

Vulpine....
That's going really nicely !

Dunnadd...
I'm not certain....But I doubt if many (any ?) designers do any actual soldering at this particular scale
But I'll be interested to hear Barbarian's answer.
I'm guessing that the majority of designers nowadays, would only use one solder spot (at most), and this to join 'hips/backboe to legs' on scales of 15mm upwards....Though I know a quite number of designers that don't even do that. (i.e no soldering at all).....Even on much bigger scales.
There are a few different methods of starting/making the original frame, before it becomes a 'mannequin', and I think we all have our particular favourite method.
It's what works easiest for the individual, I suppose.

I've only seen Barbarian's method of twisted wire used on much larger scale figures.
I'm guessing that he finds this the most comfortable way for himself.

Again, I'd be very interested to hear his comments.

It's always very fascinating to see/hear new techniques !

Cheers - Phil.

[barbarian]

I don't use any glue or soldering.
(Except to fix the structure to the base of sculpting, where I use glue as shown on pictures.)

I usually do this method for 28 mm with FIMO/Super Sclupey III as these won't glue to the wire by themselves. More precisely, they will, but ultimately, they will rotate when I'll push the paste on the limbs : You have to put a fine layer of Green stuff, then apply a fine layer of Fimo/Super Sculpey while the Green stuff is "wet".

On the other hands, I know someone who does everything with green stuff without any wire or frame (Gaëlle Goumont), and he is really talented. I can't understand how he does it. (He maid this

I know another who have casts of heads, feet and hands, who used them with wire, then use exclusively Milliput resculpted when dried. (he works in 54 mm and taller) (Adriano Laruccia - Portfolio http://www.lugdunum-figurines.com/site/spip.php?article105)

Another one sculpt with Lead (yes Lead !) and soldering iron in 54 mm. (Bruno Leibovitz from Metal models...)

My armatures are copied on the method of former Rackham's sculptors...Cyril Abati, Michaël Bigaud...)

Yann

[barbarian]

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Those wings! In 10mm wow!

[Vulpine]

I say we should ban Barbarian from the forum. He's making us all look stupid... Smart ass

[GordonY]

No, I'm hoping he's showing us Pendraken's new Chaos range, I want it and I want it NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Matt J]

correct me if i'm wrong but those wings look like they'll be too thin to mould and cast.

Also what height are the chaos warriors in the vid they look like spot on 10mm isn't most of the Pendraken fantasy range knocking on 12mm? Chaos warriors have to be a bit bigger than the usual humans.

I do really love the sculpts though

[barbarian]

I must make these wings thicker. Also, I don't like the "fingers" of the Erynie, I must redo them.
BTW, she is 11 mm tall with the "base".

Dark Templars are between 11 and 12 mm without horns and are taller than Pendraken's humans... (At least the ones I have, mainly WWII)

[GordonY]

The fantasy ranges are noticably bigger

[barbarian]

...don't know about that. Guess we could get around the problem providing thicker bases (I'm talking about the individual bases) ?

I'm doing the second Erynie, would you prefer a flying pose (with the need to attach it to a piano string) or a howling pose ?

[O Dinas Powys]

The fantasy ranges are noticably bigger

I posted a load of height comparison pictures on page 4 of this thread.  I'll quote them here for convenience:

This one is the best I can remember from my previous searches (from http://ewigeheld.wordpress.com/2010/09/26/10mm-pendraken-miniatures-fantasy/heroes_1/ )



Most of the figures are historical, however the two guys in cloaks are wood elves and the two bare armed/chested guys are barbarians.  The striking thing is how much taller the elves look than the figure with the blue staff even though they are behind him.

Although these are all fantasy, the barbarian chieftain at the top of the stairs is closer to the historic scale than the others.  His head only comes up to the shoulders of the barbarian swordsman on the bottom right of the picture.


Whilst searching for images I found my own comment on the subject (with the photo below) in this thread: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2848.0



The skeleton far left is Pendraken fantasy, whilst the wizard is Merlin from ARL18 Late Roman Personalities.  (From http://aportodos.mforos.com/1354550/7782193-10mm-pendraken-vs-kallistra/ )

Since I've just orderd a couple, it would seem that the second skeleton from the left is the Pendraken Undead Hero.

Hope this is of some help to someone!

Cheers,

Meirion

[barbarian]

[...] or a howling pose ?

I meant owling pose...

[barbarian]

[Dunnadd]

Thanks for the info Barbarian - i'd been thinking of modelling figures but memories of trying to solder wire frames together when i tried once when i was much younger were putting me off. The fimo thing is very interesting too. Do you mean that if you use green stuff, then fimo, you can sculpt a limb but change the position / shape of it, even when it's hardened? Or am i misunderstanding?

[barbarian]

No, you cannot.

Fimo need to be cooked. You can work on it, finished your piece, then cook.
Green stuff is only to let the Fimo glue to the structure.

But Fimo need a low temp mould, which add to the cost of the miniature.

[Dunnadd]

Ah right - thanks barbarian

Techno - also thanks very much for all the info - i got confused at some point and thought that you had changed your board name to barbarian rather than barbarian being someone else