Stonehenge Blocks Solution?

Started by Westmarcher, 06 July 2021, 09:17:28 AM

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Westmarcher

Why didn't Phil tell us about this innovative idea?   ;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57639510



So simple, too - e.g., how many of us have 'walked' a heavy fridge/freezer or 3' x 2' stone slabs?
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Techno II

That's not how we they did it.

Cheers - Phil. :)

Ithoriel

The Egyptians left us images of how they move large objects and it doesn't look like this bloke suggests, it looks like this:



Also, Egyptians were smart enough to work out how to make this contraption but people in Scotland weren't? Despite the Scottish stone circles pre-dating the Pyramids by centuries?

FK may already have worked out my view of this :)

This a solution looking for a problem! :D
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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

Quote from: Techno II on 06 July 2021, 11:28:51 AM
That's not how we they did it.

Cheers - Phil. :)

So how DID you do it Phil ?  :o :o
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Heedless Horseman

07 July 2021, 02:58:10 AM #4 Last Edit: 07 July 2021, 03:06:42 AM by Heedless Horseman
There is a legend that:
'He, who shall be Nameless'... upon seeing the wretched drudgery of 'The People' and hearing their lamentations that life hath no meaning for them... desired to change this.
'He, who shall be Nameless', Commanded: "Find Me an artificer who will make it so!"
Such artificer was found, and he sayeth to 'He who shall be nameless'... " Um, Ok, I'll see what I can do..."
After much thought and consultation of ancient texts, the artificer set to work.
After many trials, tribulations and grievous woundings, the artificer created... very little men.
And 'He, who shall be Nameless' looked upon them and sayeth "What?" !!! "How shall we build a Temple to end the drudgery and Lamentations of 'The People', with These?"
But, 'The People', upon seeing 'the little men'... looked kindly upon them... worshipped them and made sacrifice that they might increase in number.
And the belief of 'The People' caused the little men to make the 'Great Stones' to move so that a Temple was Made.
And 'He, who shall be Nameless', looked kindly upon the grievously wounded artificer and sayeth unto him... "Truly, Thou Art 'The Artificer'. Thy wounds shall heal... and Thou wills't create untold legions of Little Men in perpetuity, so that the Lamentations of 'The People' shall endeth!"
"Now, there are some Requests..."
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Techno II

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 06 July 2021, 03:10:23 PM
So how DID you do it Phil ?  :o :o

It's obvious   =)......We They broke them up into small enough pieces, to carry.....Then we they used a type of ancient superglue to put them back together, once the stones were in the right location.

It's been so well done, you can't see any of the joins.

Cheers - Phil. :)....(Who's this He who shall be Nameless ?)

Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

Quote from: Techno II on 07 July 2021, 06:26:52 AM
It's obvious   =)......We They broke them up into small enough pieces, to carry.....Then we they used a type of ancient superglue to put them back together, once the stones were in the right location.

It's been so well done, you can't see any of the joins.

Cheers - Phil. :)....(Who's this He who shall be Nameless ?)

How many did you stick to yourself Phil ?  ^#(^
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Heedless Horseman

07 July 2021, 08:17:49 AM #8 Last Edit: 07 July 2021, 08:21:50 AM by Heedless Horseman
Quote from: Techno II on 07 July 2021, 06:26:52 AM
It's obvious   =)......We They broke them up into small enough pieces, to carry.....Then we they used a type of ancient superglue to put them back together, once the stones were in the right location.

It's been so well done, you can't see any of the joins.

Cheers - Phil. :)....(Who's this He who shall be Nameless ?)
Just Maybe...a few 'pins' MIGHT have been a good idea?  ;D
Lord, 'He who shall be Nameless', we beseech Thee... Smite not Thy loyal Artificer.. aged through millennia of toil. He Tries... Gift Him with ''Three score and Three' of Fine Horses to Praise Your Nameless'es !
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toxicpixie

It really does look like a solution in search of a problem...

I thought it was established the Egyptian's  had a succession of dug-used-refilled canals for the bulk of the work, then the sleds as pictured for the final stages.

I suppose the megalithic builders of NWE might have done things differently but that looks a very complicated piece of kit... it *does* explain all those odd carved stone "ball bearings" though, and I suspect digging canals across these islands would be bloody hard work compared to the terrain between the Nile and the Pyramids?
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Heedless Horseman

Quote from: toxicpixie on 07 July 2021, 11:46:24 AM
It really does look like a solution in search of a problem...

So was 'The Bouncing Bomb'! lol.
But... this does look like 'Too Much Time In A Shed!'  ;D
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Ithoriel

Quote from: toxicpixie on 07 July 2021, 11:46:24 AM
It really does look like a solution in search of a problem...

I thought it was established the Egyptian's  had a succession of dug-used-refilled canals for the bulk of the work, then the sleds as pictured for the final stages.

I suppose the megalithic builders of NWE might have done things differently but that looks a very complicated piece of kit... it *does* explain all those odd carved stone "ball bearings" though, and I suspect digging canals across these islands would be bloody hard work compared to the terrain between the Nile and the Pyramids?

I'm with the group who think the easiest way to get the stones to Stonehenge et al from their source is by sea. Cut wooden rollers, heave blocks onto the rollers (or onto a frame on the rollers), roll to the nearest bank of a sizeable river or the nearest beach, turn the rollers into a raft, float stone as near as possible to Stonehenge site, turn raft back into rollers, position stone, rinse and repeat.
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Heedless Horseman

07 July 2021, 01:39:36 PM #12 Last Edit: 07 July 2021, 01:43:55 PM by Heedless Horseman
Probably! Think a Sarsen might be TOO much for a Chinook.. and HEAVY lifting tor the average Priest/Druid! 'Landscape gardeners' wouldn't be seen for flying 'Mud Clods'...
Awe!  :o

Saw a TV doc about a 'new' site on Orkney.. a 'Temple complex' (pos. predating Stonehenge!). Rather interesting!). Sorry, no link!
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toxicpixie

Quote from: Ithoriel on 07 July 2021, 12:38:01 PM
I'm with the group who think the easiest way to get the stones to Stonehenge et al from their source is by sea. Cut wooden rollers, heave blocks onto the rollers (or onto a frame on the rollers), roll to the nearest bank of a sizeable river or the nearest beach, turn the rollers into a raft, float stone as near as possible to Stonehenge site, turn raft back into rollers, position stone, rinse and repeat.

Hell yes, let the water do as much of the heavy lifting as possible!

But it's the last awkward bits that's the problem, where you HAVE to haul them overland - the Egyptians dug some massive canals but their population, bureaucracy, economy and terrain supported that; I'm not convinced stone age Britain did (and we'd likely have seen the evidence if so).

The grooved timber "tracks" with "stone ball bearings in" for sleds carrying the stones to roll along seems a good idea... the walking machine seems a lot more awkward and complex...

We're all making guesses, and I have to admit stone age megalith monuments is not exactly my area of research :D
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Ithoriel

A raft could get pretty close to Stonehenge, or so I'm told. Obviously we aren't 100% sure how navigable the rivers were 5,000 years ago nor what their exact course was but today the river at Amesbury is only about a kilometre from the Stonehenge site.
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