Smoking

[Heedless Horseman]

Hm. This Srarted as a 'reply' but has become an Aggravated  'Rant! My Apologies; But 'Anti Smoking' REALLY GETS MY RAG UP! ... Lost SO Much!

ALWAYS used Top deck / back end of a bus or smoking carriage... and ALWAYS... and still Do, when I can... have my 'smoke screen'! Pub Bars are MEANT to be Smoe filled.. 30+ years of comfort and 70 years OK on Sreen! NOT 'Comfortable ' at All, now...so don't go.
Do Not Believe 'Stat' Data! It will have been 'skewed' BEFORE reception...then 'adjusted' to 'account', maybe... than 'presented for purposes'! COMPLETELY FALSE start to finish!
Most Smokers...and I 'used' to be 'pretty honest'.. WILL have at least HALVED use when asked... so stats are total crap! I AIN'T Dead... nor are YOU!
DON'T WORRY!
If 'C' Has Your name on it... either it WILL get you , or it won't. Predominantly 'Genetic' predisposition'... THEY are 'cautious'... 'Conventional Wisdom', says  'Do Not Publish' or career gone! Even as a 'crap' Student... you got a 'mark' for writing 'Needs Further Studies'...and it will go on!
Smoke Won't Kill You... won't do you good... but SO many other things MUCH worse... 'Holiday Jet' emissions? Anyone?

Personal preference for smoking/ non smoking IS different. So Many  Generations accepted... If not preferred...

BUT! Having DIRECTLY INGESTED as much tab smoke as I could... for 45 years, the 'Social  Smoking Threat' Seems 'Utter Boll***s!
What Really HAS 'HARMED' ME is the 'Anti Smoking Lobby' 'Aiding and Abetting' Gvt. Tax Extortion! And Loss of Social Life!
Wsih I could sue! 200k ++  that 'could ' have gone into' 'savings Interest', Healthcare' , Insurances.. or life quality !'Social Life' WOW!!!
And I DO MEAN 'HARM'

SO SORRY... NOT ATTACKING ! JUST ANGRY! ... VERY, VERY ANGRY!

(And il a bit 'under the influence'... BUT APPLIES All Too Well!)

[FierceKitty]

My lungs have never recovered from the damage my great and good father's tobacco addiction dished out to his family, apart from the fact that my sister and I paid for our own education, since he inhaled every cent that didn't go on drink.

Thank Heavens this age is less tolerant of some habits.

[Raider4]

Gave up ~20 years ago. Never felt better, but have experienced massive weight gain .

Odd thing about pubs & bars - when the smoking ban came in, suddenly you could smell all of the stale beer that'd been soaked into the carpets over the previous years - 'twas not pleasant.

I do remember going to the cinema where one half was smoking, the other half wasn't. Pointless.

[DecemDave]

Yes what we are told is "true" (or even get to hear about) is always full of biases commercial, political or otherwise and its difficult to go against received consensus.
One paper claiming that smoking may reduce the risk of Covid-19 infection (from the University of Piraeus and University of Utah) was was retracted after two of its authors were found to have ties to the tobacco industry.   OK that makes it suspect but it doesn't make it wrong and it should be studied properly.  Before you celebrate too much though it was because a typical smokers lungs are so full of crap, the virus couldnt bind so well to ACE2 receptors.

Remind your assailants that without tobacco duty, that nice Mr. Sunak would have to find another £9.6 billion a year in the UK.   

I feel your anger.  I feel much the same about being lectured at to use a bike not a car or to remove my gas boiler by green zealots who have lots of kids and a dog thus ruining the planet far more effectively than I ever have or will.    Note I have no problem with anyone having lots of kids or a dog just the self serving hypocrisy of clobbering my choices while regarding your own as superior.
or people who tell me that only 28mm armies are "real" wargaming
or just people really       

[Heedless Horseman]

My lungs have never recovered from the damage my great and good father's tobacco addiction dished out to his family, apart from the fact that my sister and I pai for our own education, since he inhaled every cent that disn't go on drink.

Thank Heavens this age is less tolerant of some habits.

Fk, Sorry to have brought up sorrows. Agree very much on the 'financial' loss... and any other possible 'issues'.! Lung damage.. Well You Should Know. BUT. frankly, I Just Don't believe 'what we have been told' anymore. EVERYTHING from Asthma to Lung Cancer gets 'blamed ' on smoking... unless 'they' can find Asbestos or industrial /workplace contaminants.... Coal, Plaster, Paint, Steel, Condust...Blah... and now, kid asthma can be from 'cleaning' products!
Yet, ''They' Will  Say... give up smoking and all fine after a year or two! Yes, in an Adult
.
Grandparents both Heavy smokers... died  70-76... heart...way to go. Mother and Uncle... both non -smokers, but heavily 'exposed' from birth onwards  Ma 88,Unlce 86. Ma has had grandma then me! Uncle had wife 'Light' smoker. Health not 'good'... but for ages?
i DO NOT ACCEPT the 'wisdom' from 'medical experts '... Just How Many would have 'survived' to become  'Doctors', if correct? From THAT period, when Smoking was commonplace?
'Published Papers' Become 'The Conventional Wisdom' and woe to 'Controversial.'

[Heedless Horseman]

Gave up ~20 years ago. Never felt better, but have experienced massive weight gain .

Odd thing about pubs & bars - when the smoking ban came in, suddenly you could smell all of the stale beer that'd been soaked into the carpets over the previous years - 'twas not pleasant.

I do remember going to the cinema where one half was smoking, the other half wasn't. Pointless.

Weght gain...well, Hope You 'Found Happy', So no need to frequent...Walk to village WAS my exercise!   
Smell, VERY TRUE! Rotting carpet, Drains, old sick ... and Sweaty People Stink'! Even Girls! Horror was,,,'What did I Smell Like?' 
Cinema... daft... but 'choice!   

[Techno II]

Both Von & I gave up just under (?) thirty years ago.

We got through 100 ciggies a day between us. (Me 40, Von 60)

At the price they are now....Makes the horses seem bloomin' cheap ! 

Cheers - Phil. 

[steve_holmes_11]

Mate - take it to TMP.

[Orcs]

I think its pretty well proven that smoking is not good for you.   But if you want to smoke that is up to you. However I do not want to inhale smoke and my objection to smoking in public places is that I am/was forced to inhale the smoke.

I like a beer, but I do not force those around me to drink it as well.

I used to hate coming home  with my hair and clothes stinking of other peoples smoke.

[Leon]

After many years working in pubs and clubs the smoking ban was quite literally a breath of fresh air.  I used to hate coming home from work every night and the first thing you had to do was get in the shower and wash the smoke smell off.  Especially at 3am when we lived with the in-laws for a short period!

[Heedless Horseman]

Yes what we are told is "true" (or even get to hear about) is always full of biases commercial, political or otherwise and its difficult to go against received consensus.
One paper claiming that smoking may reduce the risk of Covid-19 infection (from the University of Piraeus and University of Utah) was was retracted after two of its authors were found to have ties to the tobacco industry.   OK that makes it suspect but it doesn't make it wrong and it should be studied properly.  Before you celebrate too much though it was because a typical smokers lungs are so full of crap, the virus couldnt bind so well to ACE2 receptors.

Remind your assailants that without tobacco duty, that nice Mr. Sunak would have to find another £9.6 billion a year in the UK.   

I feel your anger.  I feel much the same about being lectured at to use a bike not a car or to remove my gas boiler by green zealots who have lots of kids and a dog thus ruining the planet far more effectively than I ever have or will.    Note I have no problem with anyone having lots of kids or a dog just the self serving hypocrisy of clobbering my choices while regarding your own as superior.
or people who tell me that only 28mm armies are "real" wargaming
or just people really       

Said It Before, iin jest, But... if a Virus CAN survive MY Thrroat and Lungs... with 40 Yrs coating of Tar and Nicotine... with occsional Neat Whiskey 'Mouthwash'...'Petty Good Bug'!
Rest... yep, there seems to be an 'ethos', nowadays, in which the 'Informed Chosen Ones' in society, Have the only opinion possible...not a Good Thing.

[Heedless Horseman]

Going into or working in a pub or smokey workplace was a Choice. The 'right was There and had always been for 30 years of my life,
Then, TAKEN AWAY without any consent by me... just 'the Powers acting on Stats and going by Their view.

I have never been able to resume MY old 'comfort' in a pub snce... and MY smoking went UP!

[Heedless Horseman]

Hmm. Will make my apologies for 'shouting' and 'venting'.  

'Got to me' at 'wrong time'.

Will STILL still say that 'Persecution' of Smokers.. through Taxation or Legistration, is VILE! vile Ha! Just 'thinking about it' GETS MY RAG UP...annoys, quite a bit!  

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Smoking is a social disease....

[Heedless Horseman]

Smoking is a social disease....

No. It is a Palliative for Social Disease... but VERY linked. Depends on View.