Britannia Replacement

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Water cannons are illegal in the UK.

[flamingpig0]

Water cannons are illegal in the UK.

Strangely it was Theresa May who banned them

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/nov/19/boris-johnson-unused-water-cannon-sold-for-scrap-at-300000-loss

[Heedless Horseman]

The 'fleet' of water cannon was a VERY sensible precaution. Recent events  proven. But, popular 'politics' and 'sense' do not always agree.  
if the 'rules' don't fit the occurrence, then it is the 'rules' that need to be 'reviewed'...

[Leman]

As wargamers, it does seem a tad odd that some have forgotten what weapons are for, and triumphalist nationalism doesn't really seem to be getting anyone anywhere, other than having to deal with the smouldering rubble afterwards, be it real or metaphorical. In reality the Wright brothers destroyed the need for national borders. It lingers in Britain because it is an island. I'm always surprised that the British don't look more closely at the Northern Ireland land border to realise its futility.

[Heedless Horseman]

As wargamers, it does seem a tad odd that some have forgotten what weapons are for, and triumphalist nationalism doesn't really seem to be getting anyone anywhere, other than having to deal with the smouldering rubble afterwards, be it real or metaphorical. In reality the Wright brothers destroyed the need for national borders. It lingers in Britain because it is an island. I'm always surprised that the British don't look more closely at the Northern Ireland land border to realise its futility.

Weapons are for kiling. 'Remove figs or knock them over' and they are still DEAD men.... WITH consequences. There will always be smouldering rubble,,, which will reignite...again and again. The point about a 'weapon' is... if you have it...and the other guy 'thinks' that you might use it... he might think twice before using his.
'Triumphalist Nationalism' worked...when you could 'send a gunboat' to send a 'message' Now... airstrikes / drone strikes/ nukes are the same deal as a sword. It does not HAVE to be drawn... it is for 'display'...unless...
If the Wright brothers could have fore-seen Dresden or Nagasaki, they wouldn't have tried... but THEY DID. And, yes, they destroyed 'borders'... they  made 'The Game' much bigger and more horrifying... but that is what happens... not their fault.
As for the Irish border... most people just want to get along, but SOME do not.

[flamingpig0]

'Triumphalist Nationalism' worked.

No it didn't see the 1940s

[Heedless Horseman]

No it didn't see the 1940s

Agreed.
Also 1914... and before... and 1950s on... Nationalism IS 'natural'... it is Tribal, Speciesist... it will NEVER go away. What we HAVE to do is to negate iit somewhat... and, seeing as NO-ONE will be making swords into plaughshares anytime  soon... axes to grind aren't getting  anyone anywhere, either.

[Gwydion]

Water cannons are illegal in the UK.

They are not 'illegal', but their use requires Ministerial authorisation.

Water cannon are authorised for use in Northern Ireland, still part of the UK.

The Home Secretary's decision in 2015 was against authorisation for England and Wales and the Scottish Assembly Justice and Home Affairs spokesperson said that Scottish Ministers would not authorise their use either.

I find it hard to believe they would have been useful this year given their wonderful record of preventing rioting and violence in NI.

[FierceKitty]

The Irish I know would proudly say that you couldn't control them with nukes!

[Heedless Horseman]

The Irish I know would proudly say that you couldn't control them with nukes!

The RUC who got into my 'local' pub 1980s were 'relatively' well behaved.... MOST of the time... but NOT to be messed with! Still, they were 'on holliday'... on a 'course.'.. so  'best let them be' ! (Who would want what They had to LIVE with?). 

[Orcs]

The Irish I know would proudly say that you couldn't control them with nukes!

The use of them  against the Irish would make this point moot.

[flamingpig0]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/royal-yacht-britannia-boris-johnson-b1869473.html

Actually, I think the guy might be on to something.

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Well Boris is related to Clarke Kent, and can do ANYTHING, very badly 

[steve_holmes_11]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/royal-yacht-britannia-boris-johnson-b1869473.html

Actually, I think the guy might be on to something.

Whoever's really designing this needs a clear brief on its primary function:
* Museum ship of the future (Resilient hull and fittings).
* Pleasure yacht for the royals (Smokeless fuel, and stabling for the horses).
* Floating gin palace for trade missions (Handy if it isn't the smallest Yacht at the mooring).

[flamingpig0]

Whoever's really designing this needs a clear brief on its primary function:

* Floating gin palace for trade missions (Handy if it isn't the smallest Yacht at the mooring).

Green energy powered floating seraglio for trade missions

[Raider4]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/royal-yacht-britannia-boris-johnson-b1869473.html

Actually, I think the guy might be on to something.

Yeah, it does look very retro, and a bit dull frankly.

But then I think most modern superyachts are generally very, very ugly.

[flamingpig0]

Yeah, it does look very retro, and a bit dull frankly.

But then I think most modern superyachts are generally very, very ugly.

This is what we need

[jimduncanuk]

At 4+ billion dollars each I don't think so.

[Raider4]

At 4+ billion dollars each I don't think so.

Aye, that's what the USN thought as well.

[steve_holmes_11]

At 4+ billion dollars each I don't think so.

You can't spare 4 billion for the Queen after all the service she's done for us?