One for all our Shetlanders.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

One for our Shetlanders. And FSN...
Maybe...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-51135287

[d_Guy]

I think fsn could be the fellow with the beard and wings. ( I may have  read in a tabloid at one time it's a look that Anne Hathaway likes).

[Orcs]

Perhaps this is a study for to assess their genetic tendency for pillaging.

This can then be used with our new "Points System" immigration policy as to whether we allow them off the ferry at Aberdeen or not. 

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Its more likely Sturgon trying to prove that the Scots are a different race - again. If I remember rightly a major study found that there was a slight prepoderance of norse DNA in North Yorkshire, otherwise most of the British Ilses were the the same origin.

[fsn]

Ha! It says Orkney people are mostly pre-Viking. Knew it!

One for our Shetlanders. And FSN...

I'd pass. My grandparents were Shetland born and bred.

I think fsn could be the fellow with the beard and wings. ( I may have  read in a tabloid at one time it's a look that Anne Hathaway likes).

The only wings I have used to be on a chicken - though I was invited to be a Guiser one year.

Perhaps this is a study for to assess their genetic tendency for pillaging.

Does this explain my reaction to Saxon maids too?

My family has been traced back to the C15 when the islands belonged to Norway.

[Sunray]

There is a dichotomy between race and ethnicity.  Its nurture versus nature.  The impact of culture and collective memory shaping national identity versus DNA.

Nationalism is a fairly "recent"  phenomenon arising in the 19th century and claiming ancient pedigree via some historic tribe or feudal kingdom.

My own DNA goes back to a 4000 year old passage grave on Rathlin Island. The most striking feature of the haplotype sharing three Rathlin bodies is their high medium donation levels to the modern populations of South Western Scotland and Northern Ireland.   The Gael versus Planter version of Irish history is a Catholic nationalist myth.

Add to the mix the fact that the Norman Harrying of the North ethnically cleansed vast numbers of Anglo-Saxons into the Scottish Borders and Central Belt.   They brought their Old English
tongue with them - the linguistic birth of today's "Scots".

Then the Normans pushed north and settled most pf the Central Belt.  Many Scottish aristocracy and national heroes - Charles Edward  Stuart and Robert de Bruce - to name but two, have Norman origins.

   

[Techno]

As far as I understand it......

The population of the 'UK' and most of 'Europe' is descended from a relatively tiny population of 'ancient folk' that were driven/migrated to an area around the 'Med' during the last ice age. (An Ice age that we're still technically in !...Hands up, those that didn't know that. )

Vast swathes of Northern Europe would have been completely uninhabitable....apart from my then pet mammoth, called Simon, who had a broken compass, and no sense of direction )

It was only eleven and a half thousand years ago that we started coming out of that age, which made more areas of 'Northern Europe' 'habitable'.

A the sea levels rose...The 'Britsish Isles' were 'cut off' when the land bridge was 'washed away', about eight and a half thousand years ago.

Nationalism is a fairly "recent"  phenomenon arising in the 19th century and claiming ancient pedigree via some historic tribe or feudal kingdom.

Oh,,,,,How true !
There are far too many people nowadays who are under the deluded impression that their recent ancestors spontaneously 'came into being' on the land where they now reside. 

Apart from a few folk in Africa.....We're all immigrants.

(But I was here first !) 

Cheers - Phil

[d_Guy]

There a controversy as to whether Scots are sturgeon?   

[steve_holmes_11]

I'd be very cautious about over-egging the results of DNA studies.

Archaeological based ones have a miniscule sample size of the DNA of the old folk.
This sample also tends to be biased toward the ones with the biggest and most elaborate graves.
This provides little information for cases of a warrior nobility ruling over a settled population of different origin.
The small samples, and mapping results back onto known history mean that most studies are useful within their intended scope, but not suitable for generalization.

For example:

One well publicized study tracked Celtic Vs Germanic DNA across the width of England and Wales.
The West was more Celtic than the East.
Some claimed this was evidence for the sea as land theory and a pre-Roman migration to Britain form Germany.
Others claimed this reflected post invasion Saxon immigration.
Yet more suggested this might reflect England's changing relations with Europe post reformation.

The commercial ones are based on live data, but subject to a projected baseline.
Again this deserves some explanation.
You can post a test-tube of spit to various companies who will tell you that you are 60% British, 11% Italian, 4% French and 25% Icelandic.
They won't tell you that their model of Italian is built from all their Italian customers DNA (Who are certainly not scoring 100% Italian in their results), and likewise for all their other samples.
They don't use Raw data, so their idea of Italian DNA will have had a few iterations of Regression applied to attempt to improve the sample quality.
However their model is based on "who is here now".

This seems like a model that would work for people whose family have Emigrated (eg Americans, Australians), and are curious about their heritage.
Less so for people like me whose families have remained settled, but have inter-married with immigrants down the ages.

[Orcs]

There a controversy as to whether Scots are sturgeon?   

Aren't you supposed to give the Queen any Sturgeon you find/catch. So she can have them for Breakfast?

[mollinary]

Aren't you supposed to give the Queen any Sturgeon you find/catch. So she can have them for Breakfast?

Indeed, and should she graciously decide to separate  her Realm of Scotland from her Realm of everywhere else  on the planet, she has a number of spare children to give them to choose from as their rightful Monarch. Simples!

[Ithoriel]

So mollinary, no sympathy with the concept of The Socialist People's Republic of Alba Norte?

[Orcs]

Indeed, and should she graciously decide to separate  her Realm of Scotland from her Realm of everywhere else  on the planet, she has a number of spare children to give them to choose from as their rightful Monarch. Simples!

Well we have managed to get rid give one of her grandchildren away to Canada. 

[mollinary]

So mollinary, no sympathy with the concept of The Socialist People's Republic of Alba Norte?

Indeed, little sympathy with Albany at all - after all they did 'give' us the Stuarts!