Rule Clarification and observations

[Cross698]

Well done for your efforts on V4 and although I haven't tried the yet, some interesting new concepts.

I have noticed that on table mortars only "suppress" fully enclosed AFV. If using "opportunity fire" under their LOS is it for movement and Firing, like everyone else, as in v2 it was fire only?

Infantry Guns - is indirect fire using AP values or dependent on the target AT or AP?

Like that tracked vehicles don't have to stop at wire, linear obstacles etc, but i might introduce the breakdown rules, especially with wire.

Fortifications/Bunkers - Firing out as per normal, but is it still firing into the "restricted arc" by attackers? I guess it is.

"Opportunity Fire" is also referred when a unit is Close Assaulted rather than the v2 "Response Fire" - clarification, if this happens are you also adding the -1 to CV in your Command Turn and no Initiative?

Interesting "special Abilities" will try the out and hopefully these will be purchasable when and if the Battlegroups on Line is updated? If you do, perhaps the ability to cross over fro other lists to accommodate captured equipment and some more of the 21st Panzer Division adapted equipment.

Thanks

Andy    

[Steve J]

Like that tracked vehicles don't have to stop at wire, linear obstacles etc, but i might introduce the breakdown rules, especially with wire.

In 'Alamein to Zem Zem' the author notes that when their tank crossed some barbed wire, it took two days work to untangle the mess before they could drive off.

"Opportunity Fire" is also referred when a unit is Close Assaulted rather than the v2 "Response Fire" - clarification, if this happens are you also adding the -1 to CV in your Command Turn and no Initiative?

I was confused by this as I assumed it should be response fire, but will await the authors thoughts.

[Cross698]

In 'Alamein to Zem Zem' the author notes that when their tank crossed some barbed wire, it took two days work to untangle the mess before they could drive off.

I was confused by this as I assumed it should be response fire, but will await the authors thoughts.

Has to be a chance of entanglement I think and will look to use the breakdown/bogged down rule.

Me too as it didn't mention response fire, so hoping for clarification. Only thing was that an attacking unit cannot use OPP Fire?? When this is only available to the inactive player and you wouldn't use opp fire in your Active Turn, as you would CA either in the Initiative Phase or Command Phase.

[AJ at the Bank]

Did you get an answer to the Infantry gun question Andy?

[Cross698]

Did you get an answer to the Infantry gun question Andy?

Indirect fire - use of AP stats as per v2?

Not really, just says in the rules that they can fire indirectly on page 45 and it does not stipulate, but does say" the type of fire does affects the score to hit" but doesnt say what - I initially thought it will be like v2 against AFVs, but not sure.

see thread here  http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,18543.15.html

as I mentioned indirect fire by mortars and the to hit summary and the answer was hit as normal cover, so thought IGs would be the same? Perhaps needs clarification.

[Dr Dave]

You can't fire AT rounds indirect, so you use the AP factors. But IGs of 75mm calibre can't effect closed AFVs iirc?

[Cross698]

Of course! but v4 like v2 it was never specified in rules, but clarified on the old forum. I have never come across 75mm infantry guns cannot effect enclosed AFVs? Ive alwats just followed the indirect firing and minimum range of 30cm, which isn't mentioned at all in v4, albeit there are minimum ranges for mortars.

[Dr Dave]

I assumed in v4 it was like mortars? So <100 mm can't effect fully enclosed AFVs? Indirect they're just lobby shells for a small area effect. Hence I'd never use the AT attacks indirect. But using v2 I'd alllow them to ko if they got lucky.

Direct fire (v2 or v4) they'd use HEAT rounds so can effect.

[Big Insect]

If an IG has a LoS it can fire directly over open-sights so uses its AT factors against AFVs.
If is firing indirectly - so is using LoF - it is using HE so uses its AP factor
I'll put a clarification in the errata.

Logic is usually a good way to progress on most things here chaps.  

Thanks
Mark

[Cross698]

Yes ok, but I take it that if using the AP stat, are the Hits "suppression" only by all IGs of whatever calibre?

[Big Insect]

Yes - although that raises a good point ... again being hit by over 100mm HE shells will certainly do a lot of damage to even the heaviest armoured formation ... 

So like mortars I'll add the clarification in for LoF 100mm+ Infantry Guns ...

Cheers
Mark

[Cross698]

Yes, at least it gives it some conformity with Mortar rules and suppression.