Unit strengths for Napoleonic

[Last Hussar]

I can find OOBs that tell you which battalions, etc, but can't find number of men.  I picked up Field of Glory Napoleonic cheap, and to convert historical armies you need to know strengths in the brigade level, or regiment etc.

[fsn]

Are you talking actuals or establishment?

I've got a fair cross section of actuals in various volumes.

I tend to go for a bit of evening out. IIRC, British Bttns at Waterloo varied from 238 to 1006. I to go for about 600 in each.

[petercooman]

IF you are doing the 100 ddays campaign, use the mont st jean site.

http://centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/organigrammes.php

You can find the numbers when you click on the unit.


an example for the 54ème regiment de ligne

http://centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/detail_uniteFR.php?rubrique=O&unite=29

Clicking further you can also see the numbers per battalion.

[Aksu]

The various Nafziger orders of battle might be useful. They should be available online, and you can find an index at http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/ref/collection/p4013coll11/id/1277
Cheers,
Aksu

[Last Hussar]

Almost swore at Aksu as lots of Nafziger is just battalions, but then I found a couple within strengths, so reigned it in! (I already knew of the site, but not seen any numbers on the lists i d already looked at.)

The 100 days one is in interesting as a cross ref, but as much as I'd like I to do British I've come to the conclusion that theatres with them (us?) In are untypical of the period.

[Dr Dave]

Untypical?  How so. 

Spain: British and French bttns all average about 600 men, roughly. Peninsula - we're there other theatres then?

[Last Hussar]

I meant from a playing point of view, rules seem to have trouble recreating British tactics, leading to the clichéd '+2 for British'

[Aksu]

If you are looking for Spanish strengths, the collection of orders of battle published in 1822 is quite good. You can download a pdf copy at
http://bvpb.mcu.es/es/consulta/registro.cmd?id=399796

Navigate to the bottom of the page, click on the "Objetos digitales" link, click on any of the disk icons in the page popup, choose format pdf, choose "el documento entero".

Cheers,
Aksu

[fsn]

... or use Google Chrome and it will translate the page for you. 

[Glorfindel]

Excellent link !   Thank you.

[Dr Dave]

Black Powder Albion Triumphant gives the British the "steady line" special rule so they can counter-charge the Frogs*. But it is a hard one to represent and all too often rule writers daren't cast aversions against another nations army, so you end up with rules that make everyone so vanilla its ridiculous!

* the BP/AT author has conceded that the steady line was the best option open to them - the most realistic step meant the British line invariably** defeated the French column.

** the Napoleonic wars source book by Digby Smith lists 19 full blown "battles" fought in the "Peninsula" 1808-1814 - they are all British and allied victories! 

[Aksu]

** the Napoleonic wars source book by Digby Smith lists 19 full blown "battles" fought in the "Peninsula" 1808-1814 - they are all British and allied victories!  

I suppose this list does not include the Spanish efforts/disasters on the field and concentrates on the British and allied battles?
Btw I have a large 15 mm Spanish army and am in no way a francophile when it comes to gaming the Peninsula

...oh, forgot to mention. My avatar picture is in fact none other than Manuel Lapeña Rodríguez y Ruiz de Sotillo, who was considered even by the Spanish as their worst general. I aspire to reach his level of competence on the field.

Aksu

[Dr Dave]

I suppose this list does not include the Spanish efforts/disasters on the field and concentrates on the British and allied battles?
Btw I have a large 15 mm Spanish army and am in no way a francophile when it comes to gaming the Peninsula

...oh, forgot to mention. My avatar picture is in fact none other than Manuel Lapeña Rodríguez y Ruiz de Sotillo, who was considered even by the Spanish as their worst general. I aspire to reach his level of competence on the field.

Aksu

The book has all of the battles, clashes and engagements fought in the wars. All of them ALL.

The 19 I mention are the ones the British are present at in the "Allied" army.  The Spanish hidings are in there as well. But if the British are present it's always a French defeat.

[Aksu]

19 wins. That's what I'd call a good innings Did the brits ever lose on the continent (lets just ignore New Orleans, it was fought after the war was over, after all)?
Aksu

[fsn]

Corunna?