Army List concerns

[old smokie]

How about offering corrected army lists as a PDF ?  to those that bought the rules

[weredoomed2003]

Support for that.  It's not just a few entries that people have different opinions on (us wargamers are an opinionated lot) and we all have our own house rules and tweaks but when the data lists are so poorly put together and error ridden it means he rule set just isn't fit for purpose.  Even more disappointing guven the comprehensive lists in BKC2-  what went wrong to mangle them so much.  Also not sufficient to say 'just use from another list' -the rule set and lists should go together (especially if you don't have access to BKC2).  Looking forward to a mid war battle using my 1 T34 against a host of PzIVs with worse armour than they had in 1940. 
Trying not to be too negative as until now I've been a real fan of Pendraken but this if anyone asks I'll tell them to hunt out a copy of BKC2 and not to bother with 3.  Sorry.

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Should the British Army, North Africa list have an option for including the M4 Sherman? Couldn't see it, but there is a note about giving the Sherman the 'Stabilised' ability.

I've already raised that one - the 75 version is also missing from Italy. Sherman stabilisation is always a contentious one - I suspect the British didn't use it, and not all US crews did. It wasn't very good, being single plain only.

[Nosher]

Is this a new Napoleonic Ruleset

Don't think I've ever witnessed so much wittering about a WW2 ruleset before Pendraken are nice guys and I'm sure given time and a bit of patience they'll iron things out.

[petercooman]

Still waiting for my copy to arrive, before I pass judgement.

Must admit the discussion is  getting a bit 'heated'.

[Womble67]

Don't think I've ever witnessed so much wittering about a WW2 ruleset before Pendraken are nice guys and I'm sure given time and a bit of patience they'll iron things out.

Totally agree

Take care

Andy

[Dr Dave]

Is this a new Napoleonic Ruleset

Don't think I've ever witnessed so much wittering about a WW2 ruleset before Pendraken are nice guys and I'm sure given time and a bit of patience they'll iron things out.

You know, you might be right...

BUT, I'm still amazed that most of the lists have errors.

If it ain't broke...

[Superscribe]

Please see new post: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,15931.0.html

[Superscribe]

Please see new post: http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,15931.0.html

[Nosher]

What I find a little worrying (and have done for a few months now on the forum) is that a fair bit of the friendliness the forum used to be noted for has been on a bit of a decline. I'm visiting less and less these days, primarily because I'm fed up of all the negative vibes man....

I've been a member since 2010 and have watched Pendraken become bigger and better. Rules development is a relatively new venture for them and if their customer service track record is anything to go by they'll sort this issue out.

I'm pretty certain that behind the scenes Leon et al are working feverishly to identify the problem - can we cut them a bit of slack and try not to get too agitated when we don't receive an immediate answer to questions posted 30 seconds ago.

It's also not that helpful when members metaphorically stamp their feet by diverting threads to new threads and start demanding action.

[petercooman]

You know, about 15 minutes before you posted this, I  sent Leon a  pm to keep his chin up, that it's not the end of the world. I also said that I've been happy with everything I got from pendraken so far, and don't mind if something goes wrong with this.

Glad I'm not the only one seeing it like that.

We are all human, we can't be perfect all the time. We should learn from it, not get dragged down.

[Ithoriel]

I really like the Pendraken crew and their miniatures - nice people, nice toys to filch an idea from another outfit!

That said, I have played more games of BKC over the past 8 years than I have of all of the other tabletop games put together so I have a lot invested in the system. I awaited BKCIII with high hopes and baited breath.

Now I have it I am NOT HAPPY.

As a paying customer I think I am entitled to say I am not happy providing I restrict my expressions of unhappiness to the problems I have with the product and do not indulge in muck-slinging and ad hominem attacks. I hope I have achieved that.

My unhappiness is in large part around the impact this version might have on a product I like and also the possible knock-on effect that might have on Pendraken's ability to continue it's intended expansion of ranges. After all, I can continue to use BKCII so BKCIII's perceived flaws won't necessarily affect me at least in the short term.

I'm also puzzled as to how it got to this state given Pendraken's excellent record on customer service and customer involvement.

Maybe it will sell like hot cakes and Pendraken will go from strength to strength. In which case,"Urrah!" and more fool me.

[petercooman]

Sorry if it came over that way, but I don't want you to keep your problems with bkc III to yourself
As I Said, we should learn from it, so the troubles NEED to be told! If they are not visible they can't be addressed!

Like you, most of my game time goes to BKC II, so I can understand how you feel.

What I meant to say in my last post was that we have to remember that we have always had the best device from Leon and Dave, and can probably expect the same in dealing we these issues.

[sjb1001]

Have always been really happy with Pendraken stuff - many hundreds of models and I also have loads of the Epsilon buildings that are great as well, always had great aftercare as well.

The issue here is the rules are simply not fit to purpose as released, I am amazed that the BCK-II data could not just have the special rules added to the notes section where they previously had numbered special rules. To have mixed it up like it has been is a bit confusing as the data were in the right periods and I assume in an editable format.

[old smokie]

Have always been really happy with Pendraken stuff - many hundreds of models and I also have loads of the Epsilon buildings that are great as well, always had great aftercare as well.

totally agree with sjb1001's comments,  the Pendraken stuff 

people need to calm down, its a set of rules ffs I am quite sure if every one chips in we can sort this to everyone's advantage. Those more knowledgeable could help also.

Leon and Dave need to be given a chance to fix the problems people are complaining about.

[sjb1001]

Yep - give the guys time, alternatively mail us all the Word files to do edits and re-up them and then watch the fur fly  .

[cmuk]

So I bought a pdf and the physical copy... I'm not so bothered that things have issues as its more important as to how there fixed.

For lists with multiple errors/omissions rather than release an Errata that I need to keep cross checking can you just redo the army list and release as a pdf? or make a v2 rule book available free to people who bought the original.

[Tarty]

All this fuss about army lists. Everyone knows that sticky bombs and the nazis driving around with their turret hatch open lost them the war.