Favorite 19th Century Commander (excluding ACW, and in 1816-1914 period)

[KTravlos]

Who is your favorite 19th century military commander (of land forces)? Exclude the ACW, and keep it in the 1816-1914 period.

For me I have to say it is General Chanzy in the Republican Phase of the FPW. His ability to keep armies going, even after they were defeated is truly admirable.

KTravlos

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Miguel Miramon or General Frossard

[FierceKitty]

Lakshmibai of Jhansi.

[mollinary]

Moltke

[d_Guy]

Crown Prince Fredrich Wilhelm

[Ithoriel]

Saigō Takamori

[Leman]

Faidherbe - did as well as he could with relatively poor material whilst suffering from poor health.

[FierceKitty]

Nah, my one's neck and shoulder ahead of any of yours, gentlemen.

[Ithoriel]

Nah, my one's neck and shoulder ahead of any of yours, gentlemen.

Shouldn't a commander actually command something? Seems to me she was pretty much a figurehead rather than commander of her forces, reacting to circumstance and ultimately getting herself and numbers of her compatriots killed by consistently reading the shifts of power wrongly.

[FierceKitty]

I was voting for my favourite, not the most talented. Just as I'd have voted for Cicciolina a few decades ago if I'd been Italian.

[Leman]

I didn't even realise it was a woman. Whoever, never heard of. Probably not European, so certainly didn't count in the C19th. And I'm too bloody old and too bloody cussy to give a stuff about being politically correct to Johnny foreigner women.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

I was voting for my favourite, not the most talented. Just as I'd have voted for Cicciolina a few decades ago if I'd been Italian.

If I may derail this thread for 4:37, FK, you will enjoy this!
https://youtu.be/LNWu7Ejm_TM

[d_Guy]

 

And since we are now including women: Juliette Dodu

[fsn]

Shaka.

(I love his 1978 version of "I'm every woman".)


Oh! And Sir Garnet Wolseley.

(Loved it when he called Tony Blair's father in law a "scouse git".)

[FierceKitty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBdBE4hOtEQ - Cicciolina victorious. NSFW, though pretty tame by her standards.

[Le Manchou]

Well, even though he was the main actor of France defeat in 1870, I have to agree with Mollinary on this one. Moltke was the smartest military mind of the period in my opinion, at least in Europe. For their panache and courage, I am very attached to Canrobert and Mac-Mahon as well.

[cameronian]

Ferdinand Poschacher von Poschach

[Rob]

Pancho villa 

[oldblindjohn]

Chief Joseph.

[Westmarcher]

Lieutenant Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill.