Jacobites

[Nosher]

Can the highlanders in the 18th C range be suitable for Jacobites 1680/90?

I presume the Jacobite Irish could be represented by LOA range.....

Apologies for the stupid question. I am stupid and stupid questions are the norm for me. New period to me!!!!

[fred.]

From an extensive perusal (well a quick flick through) of the Jacobite 1689 to 1745 osprey - then probably yes.

The early period has more bare legs - the Pendraken humbly with locabar axe seems modelled off the picture in the osprey.
Some buff leather jackets - could be a paint scheme conversion.

Bigger sleeves and jackets - some of the jacobite figures have fairly tight short jackets - but a fair few of these are under tartan, or behind shields.


I think once painted and based up, they are likely to work for the earlier period too. I'm tempted to use mine for another 50 years earlier too...




LoA stuff should work great too - one of the Osprey pictures of a soldier from Earl of Angus regiment 1689 looks spot on for a LoA musketeer

[Sandinista]

I added a couple of Scots musketeers from the ECW range into mine as well

Cheers
Ian

[Tawa]

From an extensive perusal (well a quick flick through) of the Jacobite 1689 to 1745 osprey - then probably yes.

The early period has more bare legs - the Pendraken humbly with locabar axe seems modelled off the picture in the osprey.
Some buff leather jackets - could be a paint scheme conversion.

Bigger sleeves and jackets - some of the jacobite figures have fairly tight short jackets - but a fair few of these are under tartan, or behind shields.


I think once painted and based up, they are likely to work for the earlier period too. I'm tempted to use mine for another 50 years earlier too...





Lovely! Brings a tear to the eye! 


LoA stuff should work great too - one of the Osprey pictures of a soldier from Earl of Angus regiment 1689 looks spot on for a LoA musketeer

[d_Guy]

I'm tempted to use mine for another 50 years earlier too...

I'm not only tempted but do!
I also use a far number of AS5 (dark age peasent levy) to represent the poorly armed clan levy (the rear ranks at Culloden).
Additionally I've put EC1 and EC16 (pikes) in kilts and plaids with green stuff and these along with musketeers can represent Fencibles in the 1640s. And if that isn't enough i use a hole punch to make targets that get suck on the backs of random figures.

IIRC in 1745 there were more tartan coats (cut on the bias) and, as Fred says, fewer bare legs (and feet). Other than that I think the dress and weapons are sufficiently similar.

I pretty much only do 1638-1690 and remain rather stupid about it so you should have NO worries at all  

Here's a pic of an assortment of highland stuff:

[d_Guy]

Oops! Sorry! I forgot to resize the photo   

[pierre the shy]

Very nice looking stuff there lads

Since we're talking about painting jacobites do you use any "uniform" tartan patterns when painting up individual highland clan units? My understanding is that so called "clan" tartans did not come about till the 19th century so there should not be too much of the same tartan in any jacobite highland unit. Is that correct as far as you know?

Lastly can you point out any suitable bagpiper figures that pendraken produce?

Cheers

[Sandinista]

Very nice looking stuff there lads

Since we're talking about painting jacobites do you use any "uniform" tartan patterns when painting up individual highland clan units? My understanding is that so called "clan" tartans did not come about till the 19th century so there should not be too much of the same tartan in any jacobite highland unit. Is that correct as far as you know?

Lastly can you point out any suitable bagpiper figures that pendraken produce?

Cheers

My understanding is that the clans would have no single pattern but the weavers in the regions would use colours that would be similar - locally available dye. The differences were regional rather than clan based as each weaver would likely have had set patterns.

Cheers
Ian

[d_Guy]

First the piper figure. The command set ER26 includes what I think is a suitable piper (ER24 also has a piper but would probably need green stuff to transform the Elizabeathian slashed breeches to a kilt and plaid). Both of these have two drones which MAY fit 1640-1690 better (although this can start a huge argument elsewhere).  While most of my figures were created by our hosts I do use other's work mixed in for variety.

Regarding standardized tartan, my understanding is much as Ian's. Probably more regional AND might vary in color and pattern from year to year. A random mix is probably much more likely even for the same clan or warband. Most of my knowledge comes from reading John Prebble's "The King's Jaunt" which tells much about the "recovery" of highland dress for the king's visit to Scotland in 1822.

d_Guy

[Steve J]

Excellent work there D_Guy .

[Leman]

For those interested in the '45 there is now a document on the Honours of War site for amendments to make it work for the '45.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

This might be useful too! 
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tartan-Paint-1l-Royal-Stewart/dp/B00FWO1O72

[Techno]

Excellent work there D_Guy .

Seconded !

Cheers - Phil

[Westmarcher]

Nice figures and like the battle scene, d-Guy. Very effective in encapsulating the rough terrain of the Scottish Highlands (oh and by the way, nice blog - been meaning to compliment you on this for some time now!). 


P.S. Hope you don't mind me passing on some helpful info about how two of the clan names are spelled back here in the old world. MacClean should be McLean (pronounced MacLane) and MacCloud should be McLeod (see Clan links)

http://www.clan-macleod-scotland.org.uk/clan-history

http://www.maclean.org/index.php

[I'll get my coat]

[pierre the shy]

OK thanks for all the replies - love the idea about adding targets d_Guy.

I'm looking at using V&B wing scale rules since we use them with Paul's AWI stuff already - they work really well and the author has produced a couple of Jacobite supplements that I'm getting hold of first.  

I'd be interested in actions from 1689, 1715 and 1745 campaigns (as well as doing Montrose's 1644/5 lot ONE day) so as people have pointed out plenty of potentially useful figures in earlier PM ranges as well to give a irregular look to the highland clan units.  

Unfortunately Amazon won't deliver paint to NZ Lemmey - even empty tins