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[sediment]

Why thank you for all the welcomes.  I've been a member of the forum for two years, but not had anything worthwhile to say before now.  I have been an active participant on the BKC/CWC forums for years, and as the rules discussions are migrating here, thought it time to start getting into the dialogue.

Thanks again,

Andy

[Ithoriel]

not had anything worthwhile to say before now.

Can't say that seems to stop most regular posters ... self included

[Techno]

.....And now.....Also welcome to DougM, as well ! 
Cheers - Phil

[fsn]

Indeed, as friend Techno says, welcome Mr M.

You know, I think these people might actually played ... what is it? CWC and BKC.

Means nothing to me .... Oooooh Vienna!

[Fenton]

Why thank you for all the welcomes.  I've been a member of the forum for two years, but not had anything worthwhile to say before now.  I have been an active participant on the BKC/CWC forums for years, and as the rules discussions are migrating here, thought it time to start getting into the dialogue.

Thanks again,

Andy

Welcome

Don't worry about not posting as you have nothing worthwhile to say. Fsn has been here over  2 years and managed to rack up over 4000 posts

[Nosher]

So for BKC:

Just personal preference but I would prefer some more structured historical orbats and command structure. I appreciate this is driven some what by the max/mins but think it could be better.

I definitely think the scenarios/set up needs a complete revamp.

I also think retention of some damage at turn end is worthy of consideration.

Finally, I would prefer a slightly more granular approach to morale - by which I mean a move away from entire army break point to a lower level (dependant on the scale you a playing e.g. Battalion for the higher level games or Platoon for the lower.

Agree with Nick that the max/min thing just makes for some weird force constructions. It is probably way too late to have structured army lists but its worth considering.

I have never tried hits stay on, but one of the things that put me off CWC (and I played loads of games) was that Western Tanks were practically impossible to KO even with Warsaw Pact weight of numbers.

One final question - will there still be an online force generator??

[sediment]

Hey Nosher,

Try fielding AMX-30s against T-72s and -80s.  You finish up with an awful lot of French scrap metal ... quite a bit of Soviet scrap as well.  Leopard Is suffer similarly.

Cheers, Andy

[toxicpixie]

Indeedy - Chieftain or later M60's are a really tough kill, and we don't even talk about M1's (esp. up-armoured HA late versions), but most of the NATO tank fleet is about on a par with the Soviets

And I find thermobarics & napalm a great equalizer. Auto-suppress, then a second suppression to auto-kill. Takes a little finesse but better than ramming flaming hulks of T-64's into them until they drown...

[Orcs]

Welcome

Don't worry about not posting as you have nothing worthwhile to say. Fsn has been here over  2 years and managed to rack up over 4000 posts

And we are still waiting for something useful 

(actually this is a case of pots and kettles I know )

[Orcs]

I have only played CWC a couple of times, but it does need the addition of AP and AT values.

BKC works well. I have played both the normal and the "Hits stay on " option and both work well if slightly differently. So could be put in as an option

I would like to see the the ability of MG's being able to supress tanks come back, for three reasons

Early war tanks were vunerable to MG as they were rather flimsy

I have just read "T 34 in action" by Artem Drabkin. This is a list of memoirs of Russian Tankies.  All of them talk about the driver always going into action with his hatch at least partially open so he can see and breat.  Virtually every photo in the book shows the T34 with the Drivers hatch open even whe they are obviously engaging the enemy

When you are recieving a lot of ineffectual MG fire in a tank you do not know what else is out there if you are closed up and if your not you are vulnerale to the Mg fire

However these optional rules can be added at the players whim

I agree the BKC lists have definite need of modification, particuarly the numbers of tanks allowed and when stuff is really avaliable. Again this is down to the player to correct the mistakes or play scenarios where the points don't count.

In summary  I don't see the urgent need to do anything to BKC, although CWC needs the changes I have mentioned, does Pendraken have enough of a Modern range to justify the time spent on updating them?  Thats for Leon and Dave to decide.

[DougM]

.....And now.....Also welcome to DougM, as well ! 
Cheers - Phil

Thanks Phil, I'm a long time player of BKC, CWC and FWC. Indeed, I even own one of the forces (Eurofed in blue) photographed in FWC. Great games all, except they seem to have created a monster in the form of excessive lead mountains.

[Techno]

except they seem to have created a monster in the form of excessive lead mountains.

That seems to be a very common cry here, Doug !   

Cheers - Phil

[Fenton]

Another vote for CWC.

BKCII might not quite be what every single person wants in exact detail, but it's framework and set up is good.

CWC is languishing in original BKC1 territory, and as Pete was in process of rewriting it I'd suggest getting that rolling and finished instead. Again the basic framework is fine, but the lists/stats need tweaking to the newer BKCII format with AP/AT factors.

Things I'd suggest looking at after the unit stats  -

1/ special munitions availability
2/ ATGW - just let them fire like normal or massively reduce their cost
3/ Perhaps update recce to the FWC style which I think most people use?

Errr... can't think anymore off the top of my head!

I am not sure if I am in the minority or not but I have never used the points system in CWC or BKC. So reducing the cost of ATGWS would have no effect on the games we play .

[Orcs]

excessive lead mountains.

Welcome Doug, although I do not understand the above comment 

[fsn]

Don't worry about not posting as you have nothing worthwhile to say. Fsn has been here over  2 years and managed to rack up over 4000 posts

I think you'll find I posted something really useful a while ago. About something. Tanks probably.

I have cats.