Which Cause and Why?

[Sandinista]

John Hotham and his son also called John, were executed for treason after being caught trying to surrender Hull to the Royalists in 1643.

My 10mm ECW armies are based around the campaign in Yorkshire 1643, Fairfax's clubmen make for some fun games

Cheers
Ian

[Techno]

ASIDE: Years ago I was told that at the time of the ECW it was an offence to call Parlaimentarian soldiers 'Roundheads' because it was considered derogatory.
Also, I believe that the word cavalier was originally meant to be derogatory but when that didn't work the Parliamentarians began using the phrase 'shagpolls and rattlepates'.

I didn't realise 'political correctness' started that far back. 

Cheers - Phil

[FierceKitty]

I didn't realise 'political correctness' started that far back. 

Cheers - Phil

The Furies in ancient Greece were renamed The Kind Ones in an attempt to placate them.

[mollinary]

Royalist, and if you have to ask why you are a rebellious, godless, cur who needs his ears boxing!   

Mollinary

[cameronian]

Royalist, anything is better than Presbyterianism.

[Fenton]

Phil. You sir are a rattlepatte!

Yup that works

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

The only insult need for Phil - WELSH. Wales - an example of a country where Cromwell's attitudes still hold sway.

IanS

[FierceKitty]

Men of Harlech, stand ye steady.
It is not yet time for beddy.
Evans, put away your teddy....

[clibinarium]

Royalist, anything is better than Presbyterianism.

On its face, that's a puzzling statement when attached to your username  

[fsn]

Well I voted "King" because Oliver Cromwell banned Christmas, and was warty ... and the statue of Cromwell in Warrington in creepy and because Parliament usurped the bounds which had been set upon them by his Gracious Majesty and thus God.

Really, I think they were one as bad as the other, but I've always had a soft spot for Prince Rupert and his dog "Boy".

[Westmarcher]

Evans, put away your teddy....

Why was Evans wearing a teddy? 

Really, I think they were one as bad as the other, but I've always had a soft spot for Prince Rupert and his dog "Boy".

So ....... when they said Rupert took his 'boy' for frequent walks, he was actually only taking his dog for a walk?  Whew! That's a relief! 

[FierceKitty]

Ask the Taffs on the site.

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Parliament, the area of Shropshire I grew up in was (and still is) staunchly anti-Royalists after the Royalists burnt their churches three times!
In fact it was so radical that the 'Bishops Castle and Clun Clubmen' were the first in the country and backed NEITHER side after the parliamentary forces burned down the new church!!!

In fact, the two Moore brothers, one who became a huge bigwig in the parliament army was ransomed for £4000 which was more than Wupert got for Birmingham!

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

But who would pay ANYTHING for Birmingham 

IanS

ps - we are out of period - The war of 3 kingdoms and subsequent comonwealth are 1642 - 1660, dates for this sub-board start at 1680.......

[Tawa]

A strange statement I know but most of the early Parliamentarian leaders were not against the king only his ministers.

Indeed, many believed that it was the Ministers and hangers-on that were feeding the King false information, and therefore Charles hadn't actually made any mistakes at all before and during the war. Also a nice handy way to politely avoid laying any blame at HRH's feet in the event of the Royalists winning the war.....

Regarding the apprentices, Colonel John Hampden's (MP) Regiment of Foote was made up of "butchers and dyers".

Interestingly one of the boys I teach is the direct descendent of Col. John Hotham who was very active in the civil war in Yorkshire, he still lives in the same mansion with a portrait of John Hotham over the dining table!

Now that, is a corking bit of family history!