Rules Q&A

[stenicplus]

Sorry Roxxy, missed that one.

Yes.

Ok, so Hero CP can be added to magically cast missiles for mages.

What about the general's CPs, can they be added to an MP generated missile?

It does seem odd to be honest if you can.  8MPs and 8CPs and your magian is a damned good artillery piece.

[stenicplus]

This may seem an odd and convoluted question but it stems from mine and Roxy's game and the questions above.

The Undead Liche has a spell, Dominate The Lifeless Host (Eldritch list has similar).  Any chosen unit within 2BW gets Hero ability. Does this include the Liche itself?

Note page 32 says spell effects only apply to mage unit itself if it says so. The High Elf spell that grants Hero does mention the mage itself receiving the benefit, Ditto the Wood Elf spell.

[Chieftain]

Ok, so Hero CP can be added to magically cast missiles for mages.

What about the general's CPs, can they be added to an MP generated missile?

Yes.

It does seem odd to be honest if you can.  8MPs and 8CPs and your magian is a damned good artillery piece.

It most certainly is!  But that's a huge over-commitment, given that for 3CP, your opponent can simply rally off those excess hits.  Nothing to stop you piling those CP into the magic user's spell-granted shooting attack though.

I think its worth thinking tactically about getting rid of the enemy magic user early on.  They usually have a minor impact on the game, but in the right circumstances with the right MPs, magic users can seriously affect the game.

I've learned to be very wary of goblin shamans after suffering a Surge of Savagery spell, followed immediately next turn by a maxed-out Consuming Rage spell.

The Undead Liche has a spell, Dominate The Lifeless Host (Eldritch list has similar).  Any chosen unit within 2BW gets Hero ability. Does this include the Liche itself?

No.  As you say...

Note page 32 says spell effects only apply to mage unit itself if it says so. The High Elf spell that grants Hero does mention the mage itself receiving the benefit, Ditto the Wood Elf spell.

Yes, where a spell specifically mentions it can or does affect the spell caster it does.  Otherwise the spellcaster cannot be chosen to receive any benefits of a spell.

[stenicplus]

Ta for the quick replies.

Cool, so now I needs to gets me a mage 

[stenicplus]

Got another teaser for you.

A restricted move is limited to 1BW. Is the limit halved if you are in limiting terrain or is the limit 1BW period and it's your successful motivation move that is halved albeit if you succeed with loads and generate a move of >1BW you are still limited to 1BW?


This came about as it was suggested that since a Skeletal archer was in the wood his max restricted move was 1/2 BW, ie the max 1BW for restricted then halved for the limiting terrain. The opposite was also suggested that the total successful move was halved first, then a max of 1BW was applied owing to the restriction.

I hope that's not too confusing.

[fred.]

Reading restricted move it doesn't mention terrain at all. So I would assume it has a max of 1BW.

If you are in terrain then your move distance is halved (motivation success x move distance x half ). If this comes out as half a BW then that's the most you can move. If it comes out as more than 1BW and you are in a Restricted move situation then you can only move a max of 1BW.

I read these as two independent rules that each have their own maximum distance. And you move the lowest of these two distances.

[Chieftain]

The restricted move is limited to an absolute maximum of 1BW.

Terrain halves the motivated move distance.

So a restricted move in terrain proceeds as follows:

1.  Roll motivation for successes to determine total BW for the move
2.  Terrain halves this BW total
3.  Restricted move imposes a maximum 1BW move after the terrain halves the move

Does that make things a bit clearer?

[Roxxy]

The restricted move is limited to an absolute maximum of 1BW.

Terrain halves the motivated move distance.

So a restricted move in terrain proceeds as follows:

1.  Roll motivation for successes to determine total BW for the move
2.  Terrain halves this BW total
3.  Restricted move imposes a maximum 1BW move after the terrain halves the move

Does that make things a bit clearer?

Yes it is as I supposed, although others did not. Makes sense to me.

[stenicplus]

Chieftain,  yeap, that clear, ta for the response.

Ahem, as 'we' supposed Andy . The dissenter was thrown out the car halfway up the motorway

[Kiwidave]

Hey! I acquiesced to your demands eventually ...

Moral victory for me though - I managed to eliminate 2 Dwarf units

[Roxxy]

Can a defensive artillery be motivated by a general as part of a group?

[Chieftain]

Can a defensive artillery be motivated by a general as part of a group?

Yes.

[Roxxy]

Yes.

Does a flyer prevent a fall back move as it says "flyers can be interpenated by enemy units". Thus it does not prevent a full 1 BW move back even thought it would stop, effectively below the flyer? This is assuming it is not in contact/melee otherwise it would be on the ground or very close too, as it is fighting a ground unit.

[Kiwidave]

Answered earlier Andy:

Flyers blocking fall back moves

'A fall back move is blocked if any of the following conditions apply.  The unit;
1. Is contacted on two different base edges,
2. Is contacted on both a front corner and a rear corner,
3. Cannot complete a full 1BW move (e.g. it is prevented by friends, enemies, a table edge or impassable terrain),  or
4. Cannot move far enough to end out of contact with all enemy units (including corner contact).' p23

So...if a flyer unit contributes to point 1. or point 2. it will block the fall back.

However, 'Flyers: Can interpenetrate and be interpenetrated by enemy non-flying units, as part of any move.' p10  
Note that to begin an interpenetration you must be able to pass completely through.

So for points 3. and 4., the unit falling back 1BW can interpenetrate a flyers unit (unless it is itself a flyer).  
Depending on the relative unit positions, its therefore possible (although unlikely) to be able to fall back through an enemy flyers unit.  
Since a fall back move is a fixed 1BW, it should be easy to position flyers to be able to prevent the full interpenetration (and therefore block the fall back).

Flyers blocking rout moves
For the rout move, a non-flying unit can interpenetrate a flying unit (running under it!) provided it is able to pass completely through.
Of course, flyers can still destroy routing units by moving into contact with it as part of any move.

[Roxxy]

Answered earlier Andy:

ok thanks

[z4carlo]

A question or 2 about Formed;

'Can make a single 180^o turn for free (it does not cost 1BW) during any move in open terrain'

1. Can this be used if the unit did not move? i.e it either failed or did not attempt a motivation
2. Is 180^o the only option? i.e can the unit turn 90^o or any amount up to 180, this seemed somewhat logical to me but the rules seems to only allow an exact 180^o turn.
3. Finally, if a unit is directly behind a formed unit which then turns and charges, is this a direct charge?

[Techno]

Sorry, Carlo.
Personally, I can't help with that. (Someone will be along soon, though, I'm sure !)

But as that was your first post, a very warm welcome to the madhouse forum. 
Cheers - Phil

[fsn]

Hello Carlo.

Welcome to the forum.

Don't know anything about Warband. Usually that doesn't stop me commenting, but I'm sure someone will be along with a sensible answer.

[Chieftain]

Hi Carlo.  

A question or 2 about Formed;

'Can make a single 180^o turn for free (it does not cost 1BW) during any move in open terrain'

1. Can this be used if the unit did not move? i.e it either failed or did not attempt a motivation

No.  It must move.

2. Is 180^o the only option? i.e can the unit turn 90^o or any amount up to 180, this seemed somewhat logical to me but the rules seems to only allow an exact 180^o turn.

180^o is the only option.  It represents a simple 'about face'.

3. Finally, if a unit is directly behind a formed unit which then turns and charges, is this a direct charge?

No.  A melee charge counts as a direct charge if at the beginning of its charge move any part of the enemy target unit is directly to the charging unit's front.  It begins facing away and therefore doe not count as a direct charge.

[fsn]

Told you.