Dux bellorum - First band, some help requested

[FierceKitty]

But cats can only eat meat...

Someone pointed out that there is an official forum for Dux Belloram. It certainly has Sassinids on it.

IanS

They make me terminally sick, but they're still tasty.

[jchaos79]

 

[FierceKitty]

Leeks, that is. This kitty has never eaten a Persian, though he knows three (bipedal).

[O Dinas Powys]

I do not like modify ruleset before playing some games, but I will make a first attempt to a fan list for Islam dark ages, in order to have some games of vikings vs Omeyas.

I introduce a camel unit and a new strategy.



Any comment(/criticisim/improvement of people who had played Dux Bellorum is very very welcome,

Warning: This list is not playtested so beware of it!

One question: are the camelry functioning as skirmishers or riders?  I'd assume skirmishers based on the numbers, but just wanted to be absolutely sure before commenting further.

For the Mutatawwia I'd be tempted to model and cost it more closely on one of the pre-exiting tactics, so +1 aggression when contacting enemies, cost 3 points for <5 units, 5 points for >5 units as per the Imposing Horsemen tactic.  This also removes the need for identifying the affected warrior units because they'll all have it if chosen.
Is there any particular reason why you changed their stats away from the book warriors?  Are you also removing the uncontrollable charge?

I'd also add in Monks to tactics.

Cheers,

Meirion

[jchaos79]

Hi Meirion,

About camel, my though is they work as riders. Please feel free to comment, improve change or give a point of view more close to Dux bellorum philosophy.

For Mutatawwi going close to the prexisting tactics sound good for me. I choose only three to not bust the army. I think this should only be allocate in infantry to not boost the cavalry. They are religous zeal but do not represent single derrange warrior as bersekers. So +1 when contact enemy sounds good for me. If you think 5 muatatawwi is not unbalance is it right for me. Which cost do you consider for 5 infantry units with +1 contact enemy?

I consider that being a background so different as anglosaxon/danese/norman the stats of the muslim warrior should be slight different, not only by the way of fighting but also for their cultural weapons (offensives and defensives). I downgrade protection and raise bravery. Less armour and compact tactics but more movil and moanouver army.

Yep I am removing unocntrollable charge.

Yes Monks is good for tactics. I like it.


Any way the list 2.0 with the suggested changes so far

[jchaos79]

Here it goes the Dux bellorum Al Andalus army finished



Now I need to re-read the rules and find some time to make the first game

[Duke Speedy of Leighton]

Very nice!

[Luddite]

Very pretty.

One tactical tip - don't put your troops into one big group.  You'll end up having wasted Leadership Points.

I do this all the time when i'm playing.  

[jchaos79]

That's male sense, thanks Luddite

[getagrip]

Can DB handle big games?  Like really big!  (for an equivalent I'd say Warmaster 6000+ points).

[Fenton]

Technically yes, but I think you would have to mess about with Allied commands etc to get enough Leadership points to make sure you had enough for organising your troops

[Luddite]

Yes it can.  You just have multiple forces allied together.

We do this for our large WotR games.  The centre and each flank is a separate 32pt force.

http://luddite1811.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Wars%20of%20the%20Roses

[getagrip]

Thanks guys.  Would it play well at that size?

Nice batrep Luddite; how long would a DB battle twice that size take?

[Luddite]

Depends on the number of players.  Our WotR game was a 4 player and it was done in just under 2hrs.

[getagrip]

Okay, thanks Luddite

Steve, I know you play both.  Which runs faster DB or Warmaster? (Anyone else please feel free to chip in).