Battalion Guns?

[Big Insect]

Just a question for the wider Forum 'Hive-Mind' ...

At what dates did western European armies stop using battalion guns?

Thanks
Mark

[flamingpig0]

Probably gone by the mid C18th - although according to Charles Grant in an article I last read in 1978 the late Napoleonic French started reintroducing them to support their conscript infantry.

[sultanbev]

Regimental guns still in use in 1812 - Russian Jagers were supposed to have them, and the French reintroduced them to make up for the lower quality of conscripted men - often only 2 or 4 per regiment, so insufficient to give each battalion within a regiment two guns.

Similarly for Westphalia & Kingdom of Italy in 1812
Wurttemburg had battalion guns proper in 1805, 2x 3pdr per battalion.
Saxony, 2x 6pdr per regiment up to 1809, then 2x 4pdr per battalion in 1810-1812
Hesse Darmstadt 6x 3pdr per regiment up to March 1812
Nassau had 2x 3pdr per battalion up to 1809, then 2 per regiment to 1813
Prussia had 2x 6pdr bttn guns per regiment in 1806, so one bttn per regiment had the two guns.
Hesse-Cassel 2x 6pdr bttn guns up to 1806
Brunswick 2x 6pdr bttn guns in its sole regiment up to 1806
Hanover in 1803 6x3pdrs per regiment = 3 per battalion
Turkish Rifle Battalions had 2x Whitworth mountain guns per battalion in 1876-78
Austrians 3x 3pdr or 6pdr per battalion up to 1800, then 2 guns per battalion up to 1804
EIC battalions had 2x 6pdr up to 1815 at least
Piedmont-Sardinia 2 guns per regiment 1792-1796
Naples - some regiments had 2x 4pdr per regiment from Aug 1813-1815.
Norway - regimental batteries giving the equivalent of 1x 1pdr or 3pdr per battalion up to 1814
Batavia - 6x 4pdr per regiment giving 2 per battalion up to 1798

Mark

[Big Insect]

Many thanks all (particularly Mark - with all that detail).

I am in the midst of writing a new 'Horse & Musket' set of rules and looking at the various points of 'change' throughout the period. Such as the reforms of Fredrick the Great or Marshal de Saxe etc. for example.
So I'm tending to focus on the 'norms' in the period rather than the exceptions (if that makes sense). So it is the date when most European armies generally discarded Battalion guns - which appears to be broadly after the 'fasting-marching' Fredrick the Great reforms appear to have been more widely adopted.

But (from Mark's info) its a bit like the fact that most European Nations had discarded pikes by c.1705 but the Russian carried on until 1721 ... just to make my life difficult 

Starts & End dates for sets of rules are always 'contentious' and never straight forward

Many thanks
Mark