CWC-II Army List Errata/Suggestions (Open)

Started by Big Insect, 24 May 2022, 09:54:10 AM

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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

The entire brigade was a test unit - also the Rardens didn't go to Berlin til 77, Warminster had 4 in 76.
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Quoteb) The FV432 30mm Rarden served in the Berlin Brigade from 1976, which suggests 2 LI had them for testing.

Pedant alert - the Berlin Brigade was the name of the American force in Berlin.

The British force was the Berlin Infantry Brigade.
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Quote from: Raider4 on 25 May 2022, 11:47:19 AMPedant alert - the Berlin Brigade was the name of the American force in Berlin.

The British force was the Berlin Infantry Brigade.

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Korean war list - why is the 17lb ATG more powerful than Centurion Mk III with 20lb? In wider British list it is different to Korean war PDF stat lines.

sjb1001

Just checking Vietnam lists for my 15mm - Sheridan has 'misfire' special rule but that's not in the special rules section of the book, is it hidden elsewhere?

Superscribe

My observations so far have been on the PDF version only, but have just received new rules in the post and I note that the stats in the rules for Brit and Soviet IATWs and Mortars do not match those in the PDFs. In the rules IATW AT ranges are shorter than those in PDFs, which reflects the Howitzer rule. For most Mortars their AT ranges are missing from the rules, but they do appear in the PDFs, some of which have asterisks.

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QuoteThe British force was the Berlin Infantry Brigade.
And note the famous British Berlin camo was not not introduced until the early 80's, so this, sadly, is a work of fiction:

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Quote from: Superscribe on 25 May 2022, 12:14:31 AMOn Page 90 it states that AA attacks are listed in the Notes column of Army Lists but they seem to be missing from the PDFs for Bundeswehr, British, Soviet and Soviet VDV army lists.  (I haven't checked the example army lists included in the rules). I understand that AA stats for CO, HQs and Dedicated AA units are the same as their AP stats in all cases.

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Thanks Chris
We'll correct that - the stats to use are the actual AP & AT stats - you use AP against all Aircraft and Transport helicopters and AT against Attack Helicopters (not that these generally tend to differ) - I reached the decision partway through the lists that all I was doing with the AA stats was duplicating them in the Notes column.
As you cannot shoot SAMs at ground targets and the AA guns were all going to end up as the same factors for hitting ground targets as aerial ones - it seemed a sensible change.
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Quote from: Superscribe on 25 May 2022, 06:05:14 PMMy observations so far have been on the PDF version only, but have just received new rules in the post and I note that the stats in the rules for Brit and Soviet IATWs and Mortars do not match those in the PDFs. In the rules IATW AT ranges are shorter than those in PDFs, which reflects the Howitzer rule. For most Mortars their AT ranges are missing from the rules, but they do appear in the PDFs, some of which have asterisks.

Thanks for this -

We picked up errors in the printed lists too late to correct them ahead of the go-to-print deadline - the original thought had been that with AP & AT stats you wouldn't need the longer ranges or the H designation, but that didn't take into account firing at longer range at fortifications - so the longer ranges and H designation were added back for the online lists.

Mortars with an * are up  to 100mm (or there abouts) and only inflict suppression on armoured targets.
Mortars without the * inflict hits.
Again this error was picked up after the gone-to-print deadline.

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QuoteFinally have you got any info on 2nd Light Infantry in 1974/5 in Germany. Freind was attached for a short time and wants to recreate it if possible but has lost his photos.

Gents - not wishing to pee on your party so to speak - but can I please remind you:

Please confine your posts to this thread purely to Army list errata or suggestions (there is a separate thread for Rules Errata) - thank you.

A bit too late to stop this topic expanding - but if you can move to a new separate thread please - that would be much appreciated.
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Quote from: sjb1001 on 25 May 2022, 05:48:23 PMJust checking Vietnam lists for my 15mm - Sheridan has 'misfire' special rule but that's not in the special rules section of the book, is it hidden elsewhere?

Should be in the Special Rules at the bottom of the PDF list SJB - it has gone walkabout from the main US list for some reason (we will correct that). It is same as in CWC-I:

Misfire: -1 command penalty when ordered to fire after the first shot in a turn.

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Quote from: sjb1001 on 25 May 2022, 02:42:06 PMKorean war list - why is the 17lb ATG more powerful than Centurion Mk III with 20lb? In wider British list it is different to Korean war PDF stat lines.

I'll check that one out as it shouldn't be.
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Quote from: Raider4 on 25 May 2022, 08:09:31 PMAnd note the famous British Berlin camo was not not introduced until the early 80's, so this, sadly, is a work of fiction:



But it looks sooo pretty  :D

(Now I am falling foul of this distraction from List errata - my apologies!)
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flamingpig0

Assuming I am reading the lists correctly the French don't seem to have any compulsory infantry.
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In the Soviet list, the BTR 152 is given transport (1) - I would suggest that is low and it should be transport (2)
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