CWC-II Army List Errata/Suggestions (Open)

Started by Big Insect, 24 May 2022, 09:54:10 AM

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Quote from: Superscribe on 24 May 2022, 04:23:23 PMIn the Infantry Support Weapons rules on p49 it states that small calibre mortars (below 100mm/4") can only cause suppression v hard targets and they have * in the army list to denote this. 

The 4.2" mortar in British Army List also has *
Is this an error?

Chris

Yes - thanks Chris - well spotted
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Big Insect

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 24 May 2022, 02:20:08 PMThe M60A1 RISE(P) Combat Tank and the M48A5 Patton appear to be identical but are of differing points.

I'll check it out - that may well be a 'copying error'

Keep 'em coming please
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Big Insect

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 24 May 2022, 03:22:18 PMOn the Soviet List should the conscripts and good conscripts both be compulsory?

( we do appreciate you doing these lists Mr B Insect)

A deliberate act on my part.

I reached a decision that most of the compulsory infantry requirements in CWC-II actually didn't work that well, especially if you were playing with armies based on OOBs.
I'd be interested to hear players views on this but generally my own experience has been that formations with no infantry in them tend not to do that well, and I also came to the view that some Soviet formations were probably as good as some of the less well motivated NATO forces.

This may be one of those changes that gets debated - along with the +1 Soviet Air Superiority change.
We'll see  :D 
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flamingpig0

QuoteA deliberate act on my part.

I reached a decision that most of the compulsory infantry requirements in CWC-II actually didn't work that well, especially if you were playing with armies based on OOBs.
I'd be interested to hear players views on this but generally my own experience has been that formations with no infantry in them tend not to do that well, and I also came to the view that some Soviet formations were probably as good as some of the less well motivated NATO forces.

This may be one of those changes that gets debated - along with the +1 Soviet Air Superiority change.
We'll see  :D 

So,if I am reading it right the compulsory number of infantry for Soviets is 6?
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Big Insect

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 24 May 2022, 05:02:13 PMSo,if I am reading it right the compulsory number of infantry for Soviets is 6?

Ah - no - you only need 3 but they can be of either or a mix of the two types.
A clarification Note has gone missing in the Special Rules section.

Good spot - we'll get that sorted.
Thanks
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Quote from: Big Insect on 24 May 2022, 07:05:50 PMAh - no - you only need 3 but they can be of either or a mix of the two types.
A clarification Note has gone missing in the Special Rules section.

Good spot - we'll get that sorted.
Thanks

I am collecting good spots- I need one more for a Hat Trick
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Big Insect

Indeed - I 'claim' the fact that on the back of the cover it states there are 15 scenarios (when there are 16) and that Angolan is spelt Angloan - how that got one through the proof reading I'll never know  :'( 
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sultanbev

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 24 May 2022, 12:34:09 PMAny source for the Littlejohn use ?
Images of War book the Royal Armoured Corps in the Cold War 1946-1990, MP Robinson & Rob Griffin, Pen & Sword (2016) pp119-120
A higly recommended book, it also shows the Alecto being used post war in a few recce regiments, and AEC Mk.III

Superscribe

On Page 90 it states that AA attacks are listed in the Notes column of Army Lists but they seem to be missing from the PDFs for Bundeswehr, British, Soviet and Soviet VDV army lists.  (I haven't checked the example army lists included in the rules). I understand that AA stats for CO, HQs and Dedicated AA units are the same as their AP stats in all cases.

Regards

Chris

sultanbev

QuoteFinally have you got any info on 2nd Light Infantry in 1974/5 in Germany. Freind was attached for a short time and wants to recreate it if possible but has lost his photos.

2nd Bttn LI served in 20th Armoured brigade of 4th Division from March 1974, replacing 1st Bttn LI. Based at Lemgo, it was replaced by 1st Bttn Royal Welch Fusiliers in Jan 1978.

20th Armoured Bde 1974-1975ish:
Bde HQ & 200th Signals Sqn
Life Guards Armoured Regiment (in NI May-Sept 1974) to Oct 1975 then Blues & Royals
9/12th Lancers Armoured Regiment  (in NI Jan-May 1975) to May 1976 then Queens Own Hussars, Chieftain tanks
2nd Bttn Light Infantry (in NI March-July 1975 & Aug-Dec 1976)
3rd Bttn Royal Anglian Regiment to Aug 1975 then 2nd Bttn Royal Reg of fusiliers

4th Divisional support
1st RHA: A, B, E Batteries (Abbotts)
27th Medium Arty Reg: 6, 23, 312nd Bttys (M109)
19th Field Arty Reg: 25, 28th, 67th Field Bttys (Abbotts) to Aug 1974
then 26th Medium Arty Reg: 16, 17, 159 Btys (M109)
26th Engineer Reg: 5th, 25th Field Sqn RE
35th Engineer Reg: 29th, 42nd Field Sqn RE
2nd Armoured Engineer Sqn RE
44th Field Support Sqn RE

4th AAC Regiment: 654th, 661st, 662nd Sqns AAC (helicopters)
The division only had one other brigade, the 6th Armoured Brigade.
Source: The British Army in Germany An Organizational History 1947-2004, GE Watson & RA Rinaldi, tiger Lily Publications (2005)

In theory the 2nd LI would be organised as a normal mech bttn with FV432, this link implies so:
https://www.lightinfantry.org.uk/regiments/li/li_index.htm
but we can see how the NI deployments really disrupted the brigade organisation.
Some OOB details here:
https://www.baor-locations.org/stornowaybks.aspx.html
HQ Company: Sigs Plt: Mk1 FV432, Recce Plt,Bugle Plt
A, B, D Companies: all FV432 Mk1
Support Company: FV32 Mk2 Swingfire (?)

the Armoured Regiments in theory would be 74x Chieftain, 8x Scorpion, 6(?)x FV438, but might still be on the older TOE of what? 45x Chieftain, Ferrets ? I'm not well genned up on the 1970s TOEs, and they seem hard to find.

Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

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sultanbev

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 May 2022, 06:59:21 AMAny idea what kit it had ?
Just standard British 1970s infantry as far as I can tell - SLR, Sterling, GPMG, flak jackets - there are videos on Youtube of it's service in NI. I suspect the Falklands War British range would provide sufficient 10mm figures.

I have found a 1969 TOE for a Mech bttn and 1970 Tank Regiment since, which may or may not be relevant.

Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

Thanks Mark. It had 4 x 438, 9 432 Rarden, 4 Milan posts and all most all rest of 432's had Peak turrets. No live Milans though.
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sultanbev

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 May 2022, 08:43:43 AMThanks Mark. It had 4 x 438, 9 432 Rarden, 4 Milan posts and all most all rest of 432's had Peak turrets. No live Milans though.
That's a lot of none-standard issue kit. Presumably then the battalion was a bit of testing unit?
rationale being -

a) The FV432 peak turret only entered service in 1975, not reaching full deployment (2 per platoon) until 1978
b) The FV432 30mm Rarden served in the Berlin Brigade from 1976, which suggests 2 LI had them for testing.
c) FV438 was not standard issue for a Mech Battalion
d) Milan-1 didn't enter British service until 1978 according to some sources, 1975 according to others.

Makes for an interesting wargames unit :)