TV News Coverage of Russia's Victory Day Celebrations.

Started by T13A, 10 May 2022, 04:23:45 PM

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fred.

Guys - this feels like the off-topic kind of discussion that can only end badly.

LAF has a very strict policy around the focus of stuff - I quite like that here is more wide ranging. But this is Pendraken's forum, not a political discussion board. 
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I simply explained there had indeed been a tribute paid to the Allied service personnel who together defeated the Nazis in the 9 May speech.

John Cook

Quote from: Gwydion on 13 May 2022, 03:41:40 PMI simply explained there had indeed been a tribute paid to the Allied service personnel who together defeated the Nazis in the 9 May speech.

Yes, "We are aware that US veterans who wanted to come to the parade in Moscow were actually forbidden to do so. But I want them to know: We are proud of your deeds and your contribution to our common Victory.

We honour all soldiers of the allied armies – the Americans, the English, the French, Resistance fighters, brave soldiers and partisans in China – all those who defeated Nazism and militarism."

The text of the entire turgid and rambling speech, not helped by translation and Russian rhetoric I am sure, is in the public domain and was on many news outlets at the time, including the BBC (Monday, 9 May 2005, 11:22 GMT 12:22 UK ).  This excerpt was part of the 'fact-check' on one site (longer than the actual text of the speech) - US veterans were, apparently, not banned from attending.

Be all that as it may, what is 'Non-wargaming Discussion/Chat and News" for, if it not for this kind of thing?

Gwydion

QuoteThe text of the entire turgid and rambling speech, not helped by translation and Russian rhetoric I am sure, is in the public domain and was on many news outlets at the time, including the BBC (Monday, 9 May 2005, 11:22 GMT 12:22 UK ).
T13A said he saw no sign of it. I provided the quote rather than simply refer him to somewhere else.
'Turgid and rambling' is a value judgement by the way.
QuoteBe all that as it may, what is 'Non-wargaming Discussion/Chat and News" for, if it not for this kind of thing?
Oh I agree wholeheartedly! I find LAF very juvenile in this regard. As long as nobody starts posting manifestos, being rude or wandering into wargaming areas I see no harm myself.
But I'm happy to bow to Leon and the consensus. :)

Heedless Horseman

BBC used to be 'neutral'... or, maybe rather 'Conservative'. From 90s, there has been a slight but definable slant to the left... or 'Liberal'.
Not too sure how this affects it's News reportage... but as an organisation, it has certainly swung Left.
Still pretty good and better than most... but not what it used to be.

Newspapers are a lot worse! Sun, (which I refuse to buy for a very angry  Reason!) has swung around like a Dowsing stick. Mail... which used to be pretty good. got a bit 'weird'. Don't buy any now.
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Ithoriel

Providing discussion remains reasoned and does not descend into vitriol and ad hominem attacks in the face of the stubborn intransigence of an opposing view to face up the obvious (to them but not necessarily to their opponents) facts of the case, then I see no problem with this discussion and as has been said above, where else would it fit on the forum?

As, according to several American posters on other sites, a pinko, liberal hell-bound hippy I am delighted by Auntie Beeb's shift from unconscionable support for the establishment and the status quo to a more sensible left of centre view. I'm just not convinced either supposed bias is as pervasive or important as some seem to think.

As to the situation in the Ukraine, it  has so many echoes of 1939, right down to the "Peace In Our Time" attitudes of the West that I am reminded of these tags:-

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Leon

I don't mind some politics as long as we keep things civil!

The view of the BBC as being centre-left is interesting to me as I find it quite the opposite these days.  Their recent main news/politics anchors have been Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr and Laura Kuenssberg, all of whom are former employees or members of the Conservative party.  The Director of the BBC is a former Tory councillor and their new Chairman is a Tory donor.

I certainly don't think of it as 'right-wing' but they seem to give little coverage to government scandals or negative press whilst opposition stories are on the news cycle day after day.  They've certainly covered for the current Prime Minister on multiple occasions since his appointment.

I think the fact that Conservative MP's are still happy to go on the BBC to be interviewed, whilst avoiding other channels like the plague (and even boycotting some of them) shows that they expect an easier ride from the Beeb.  This attempt to sell off Channel 4 seems to be motivated by nothing other than its recent history of holding government to account.
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I agree with Fred's note of caution, with one minor amendment
QuoteGuys - this feels like the off-topic kind of discussion that can only end badly.
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We are very fortunate on this forum that we mainly manage to remain civil, reasoned and sometimes weird ;)
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To adopt the parlance of a far more toxic forum.

+1 Fred.

Orcs

Having viewed first hand some videos taken by Ukrainian refugees on their phones, I can assure you that the reports on our media are giving out are very sanitized versions of what is actually going on.

They are editing out nearly all of the worst stuff, and giving warnings about distressing content in reports that are showing an occasional dead body.  Some of the more recent reports about the Russian atrocities have been more graphic, both written and on video. Make no mistake what is happening in Ukraine is far worse than anything that is actually getting reported in our media.

I am not sure we actually want to see some of the content I and my fellow volunteers have seen. Personally I think the media is avoiding it because they feel it might be seen as "ghoulish" and/or too shocking.  It also might make the public question the level of response from western governments, who are walking a fine line between supporting Ukraine and avoiding all out war.
 



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flamingpig0

QuoteThe view of the BBC as being centre-left is interesting to me as I find it quite the opposite these days.  Their recent main news/politics anchors have been Andrew Neil, Andrew Marr and Laura Kuenssberg, all of whom are former employees or members of the Conservative party.  The Director of the BBC is a former Tory councillor and their new Chairman is a Tory donor.

That does make one wonder what a non "left-wing" acceptably neutral BBC might look like in terms of management.

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Leon

QuoteThat does make one wonder what a non "left-wing" acceptably neutral BBC might look like in terms of management.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with my quote there?!
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Quote from: Leon on 14 May 2022, 12:39:26 AMI'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with my quote there?!

Agreeing, I cannot for the life of me see how BBC news can be seen as left-wing.
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Quote from: flamingpig0 on 14 May 2022, 03:50:08 AMAgreeing, I cannot for the life of me see how BBC news can be seen as left-wing.

Quite. They may not be quite so "crusty", but they're definitely well to the right!
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Quote from: flamingpig0 on 14 May 2022, 03:50:08 AMAgreeing, I cannot for the life of me see how BBC news can be seen as left-wing.

No worries!
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