1809 Bavarians

Started by Stewart.gibson, 08 February 2022, 03:50:01 AM

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Stewart.gibson

One of the reasons I exposed my self the other day was to use you lot as a source of peer pressure.  My painting has been stagnating and I needed some impetus to make regular progress.  Since Saturday, I have started to paint command bases for my 1809 Bavarians.

Progress has been made!

Rear rank primed and highlighted

1809 Bavarians by Stu Gibson, on Flickr

Front Rank figures primed and highlighted


Untitled by Stu Gibson, on Flickr


Im still figuring out Flickr so if anyone spots an error, please let me know.

Stu
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paulr

An interesting approach for holding your figures while painting :-\

I've heard of both methods before but I don't think I've seen both approaches used on the same unit

Do you try and paint the figures of both ranks to the same level of detail or do you compromise somewhat on the rear rank?

Definitely looking forward to seeing these progress
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Duke Speedy of Leighton

That's similar to my method Paul, rear rank on bases, front rank on coffee stirrers.
Depends on resources to hand I guess.

Anyway, looking good sir. 8)
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Stewart.gibson

Paul,

Early days and methods may change but the focus is getting figures painted and based.  I find lolly sticks a hindrance to completion, especially for cavalry.  I get so far then loose interest, patience and never finish.  The 9 bases of rear rank troops are a reasonable chunk of work with a clearly defined goal. The front rank figs will be painted by regiments.  2 bn each, making facing colours the final colour for both front and rear rank figures.

I am thinking that when I expand the battalions to 5 to 6 bases each I may paint the front ranks on the bases adding the rear ranks from lolly sticks.

Stu
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Stewart.gibson

Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 08 February 2022, 07:18:23 AMDepends on resources to hand I guess.

All compliments gratefully accepted :)

I had the corks available and they are really intended for 28mm figs.  While I dislike lolly sticks I also don't have any to hand and I was 3d printing the holders for the corks in anticipation of painting more Perry Prussian line infantry in the near future.
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More progress

[/url]Untitled by Stu Gibson, on Flickr[/img]


[/url]Andrea blue by Stu Gibson, on Flickr[/img]
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Last Hussar

I've found the problem with the 1809 French is knowing when to stop. And how to give "wargame table difference".

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Polish...
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Stewart.gibson

09 February 2022, 04:14:34 AM #7 Last Edit: 09 February 2022, 04:19:43 AM by Stewart.gibson
That national diversity is, for me, one of the major attractions of the campaign. That and the fact it is perhaps the second best documented including several modern narratives.

I agree with your 'wargame table difference' concern. I wonder though if that is due to the level of abstraction of most rules. With so many generic  rule systems around are we too reliant on Chrome to differentiate our armies?

It is an issue I am seeking answers to. My quest has me looking at the minutae of unit organization seeking to understand how the differences in organization and training manifested itself on the battlefield.

Of course that requires that I look at the battlefield from a different perspective. So I am focused on those actions that took place every day. Smaller battles, often meeting engagements that escalated as commanders feed more and more troops into the battle.  More terrain, complicated objectives. 

So  why do I need to collect Bavarians, French, Saxons, Austrians etc. when I need at most 8-10 battalions/squadrons a side... Well, because I can.  :D  though my Norman's and Arabs may well feel out of place
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Zippee

If you need some encouragement, this is what Bavaria 1809 looks like once complete (well all but 7th Light)


00 Bavarian Army Corps
by Zippee Jerred, on Flickr

The units can be seen here https://www.flickr.com/photos/zippee/albums/72157714099300586

Stewart.gibson

Excellent work sir!  I see I have to find more Bavarians in the post!   But as Paulr states must keep the task in maneagable chunks or they will never get done.  Expect Photos about 2024 :)

Your post is timely as I was just about to ask the group if flag poles should be any specific colour.  You have answered the question by making them flag colour!

Well done!

Stu
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Stewart.gibson

The Bavarians received painted weapons, packs, blanket rolls and cartridge boxes today. (Coat d'arms Wood Brown and Contrast Basilicanum Grey) And they were pleased. :)   I expect tomorrow will bring Blackened helmets, clean boots and sword scabbards (Vallejo Black Primer, brass TBD). Perhaps I'll even wash their pink faces...

I'll take family photos tomorrow!

Stu
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Zippee

QuoteYour post is timely as I was just about to ask the group if flag poles should be any specific colour.  You have answered the question by making them flag colour!

Sadly I have no information on staff colours, quite a lot on the flags themselves but nothing on staffs. To be fair since the majority of the staff is covered by the flag sleeve there's little actual staff to be seen, so I just paint mine dark brown. But that sleeve is a bit of a problem in itself as I've seen both white and blue shown for these for the 1786 issue (possibly blue for ordinarfahne, white for leibfahne), white for the 1803 and 1808 issues (only seen leibfahne, so ordinarfahne may have been blue) and blue for the 1813 issue. The 1808 issue flags I purchased (from Maverick, not Pendraken) came with blue for both leibfahne and ordinarfahne - I wasn't about to repaint any of them white!

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Stewart.gibson

Hey Zippee,

Thanks for the info.  I was thinking of perhaps using facing colours to assist with regiment recognition,  It may not be historically accurate but I've counted the buttons so I've done my part :o   Another option would be to use French fanion colours or Prussian seniority colours.  Neither of which would be accurate, well unless it is the 5th battalion of an overlarge French Line regiment.

Speaking of Fanions, may I pick your mind wrt the use of same? I have seen them on offer at various flag providers but I have little in the way of info on how they were used. Other than one Osprey plate with a fanion in a musket barrel I am at a loss...

Stu



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sultanbev

According to Keith Over's book, Bavarian flag staff were usually covered in blue corduroy. spear tops were gold.

Re fanions, do you mean the French ones?

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fsn

Hmmm. According to Bunde, Gartner and Stein the staff was "lacquered brown".
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