Cavalry questions

Started by fsn, 30 August 2021, 03:58:14 PM

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Orcs

Quote from: Techno II on 04 September 2021, 11:31:06 AM
Nah.... I really think that's a CGI'd faked photo, Nobby.
The 'mane' especially....it's not even remotely the right colour....

The 'feathers' and the tail might be real.

Cheers - Phil. :)

So your saying its "horse porn" Phil?  ie you take a some thing good looking and enhance it beyond belief in with the theory tat it then looks better than nature intended. Like Jordans chest a few years back
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I have seen a gray with the most wonderful mane,at a show, a few years ago...must have taken the owner hours and hours to clean and brush it.

Maybe that first one is real......Just, somehow 'looks' wrong. :-\

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Heedless Horseman

05 September 2021, 08:21:58 AM #18 Last Edit: 05 September 2021, 08:28:51 AM by Heedless Horseman
On Facebook, I tend to receive a lot of 'photoshopped' pics of animals , natural events, scenic views. Some are very 'arty'... and some lovely 'looking' places... BUT getting a bit 'bored 'with it... just don't want to say so to posters.

There ARE horses with enormous manes / feathers / tails... but, as you say... 'Hair Needs Care'! lol.
And, getting a slap in the face from some Horse tails...!  ;D
Incidentally, before My time, Grandfather used to plait and ribbon mane and tail on horses drawing his Pig Swill Cart... for 'Empire Day' etc!  :)

Heedless Horseman

Quote from: Orcs on 04 September 2021, 07:09:47 PM
So your saying its "horse porn" Phil?  ie you take a some thing good looking and enhance it beyond belief in with the theory tat it then looks better than nature intended. Like Jordans chest a few years back

Ha ha... same era!  ;) Jordan looked fine!... then Hmmm!... then B****y silly! ;D

BACK TO CAV!!!  ;D
Are Pendraken Nap 'Standard Bearers' MEANT to carry 'REGIMENTAL' Standards... or 'Command Guidons / Pennants'? I an not sure at all about differences or possible usage.
Know that French Inf used Fanions...little musket flags... for formation. Don't know if other nations also did?
As Steve says... think Cav formated on Officers... but a 'Marker' may have been useful.

Didn't Tanks... Brit, anyway, fly 'pennants' on radio arials? Sometimes.

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Indeed, in WWII the penants show squadron, troop and commanders. Probably the same today.
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Heedless Horseman

Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 05 September 2021, 09:24:56 AM
Still do

But, why? Tradition, recognition? A Red and yellow flag hardly 'camo'... so exercise only? Pennant wouldn't last long in trees / blast. Hence painted markings.
Does ultra modern armour have some sort of IFF on weapons systems? Do not have any idea!

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As to electronics you'd have to as a current tankee. Moving tanks can't be camoflagued, they is big. Penants were supposed to indicate troops and squadrons quickly by sight. They so still have the geomentric shapes on turret sides, and call signs on turret rears.
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Heedless Horseman

23 September 2021, 06:03:44 AM #25 Last Edit: 23 September 2021, 06:19:35 AM by Heedless Horseman
Sorry, can' t post the pic... a FB posting.
But have now seen a Horse / Dragon!  :o
Green and with Scales!  ;D ;D ;D
Now, could have been 'photoshopped' , but pic showed horse being led, so think it a 'show' entry with an enormous amount of work done!
Just a thought for 'Fantasy' converters / painters!  ;)
For 'Fantasy' no reason why not Green / Blue/ / Pink Horses! LOL!  ;D

Or... you could REALLY put someone 'off stride' with your Cuirassiers...  ;D ;D ;D

FierceKitty

Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 23 September 2021, 06:03:44 AM
Sorry, can' t post the pic... a FB posting.
But have now seen a Horse / Dragon!  :o
Green and with Scales!  ;D ;D ;D
Now, could have been 'photoshopped' , but pic showed horse being led, so think it a 'show' entry with an enormous amount of work done!
Just a thought for 'Fantasy' converters / painters!  ;)
For 'Fantasy' no reason why not Green / Blue/ / Pink Horses! LOL!  ;D

Or... you could REALLY put someone 'off stride' with your Cuirassiers...  ;D ;D ;D

And in reality. Polish hussars often dyed their horses, and I've read a wonderful account of how an Indian lent his grey to a cousin for a wedding; he was within his rights, since by the current system he owned the horse, but it came back painted with indelible multi-coloured spots. The Colonel Sahib was not amused. American tribesmen, of course, painted their horses as enthusiastically as themselves.
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Heedless Horseman

Ooh! The Polish 'Hussars' have never been a field of interest... but, having googled, WOW! Some boys!
Any idea if Dye was 'to conform' to unit... or for 'extravagant effect'... colours?

steve_holmes_11

23 September 2021, 09:26:41 AM #28 Last Edit: 23 September 2021, 09:28:14 AM by steve_holmes_11
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 23 September 2021, 06:03:44 AM
Sorry, can' t post the pic... a FB posting.
But have now seen a Horse / Dragon!  :o
Green and with Scales!  ;D ;D ;D
Now, could have been 'photoshopped' , but pic showed horse being led, so think it a 'show' entry with an enormous amount of work done!
Just a thought for 'Fantasy' converters / painters!  ;)
For 'Fantasy' no reason why not Green / Blue/ / Pink Horses! LOL!  ;D

Or... you could REALLY put someone 'off stride' with your Cuirassiers...  ;D ;D ;D

The Khmer (and maybe other SE Asian armies) did employ "Dragon cavalry".
I hope I don't disappoint any readers by stating these were horses with masks and bits attached.
This probably worked because the locals believed in dragon horses.

Here's Irregular's interpretation




I never considered this lot in a gaming context:


Big Insect

23 September 2021, 10:30:58 AM #29 Last Edit: 23 September 2021, 10:41:43 AM by Big Insect
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 23 September 2021, 09:26:41 AM
The Khmer (and maybe other SE Asian armies) did employ "Dragon cavalry".
I hope I don't disappoint any readers by stating these were horses with masks and bits attached.
This probably worked because the locals believed in dragon horses.

Here's Irregular's interpretation




Sadly the so called Khmer 'Dragon' horses are even more of a myth than you might think.

Having been out to Cambodia and seen the actual carvings at Angkor and Bayon - the horses are not armoured in dragon armour at all - they are just very poorly rendered sculptures of horses (which were not at all common in Cambodia/Lao/Vietnam at this era). The western (wargamers) myth about 'Dragon Horses' comes from the WRG interpretation of the drawings by Michel Jacq-Hergoualc'h, in his book Armies of Angkor, where he 'creatively' interprets the Khmer carvings as being dragon-horses.

It's all a bit like non-existent Khmer light chariots - sculptures of which appear in great numbers on the Khmer monuments - but only in the sacred, mythical or religious friezes. These were mostly carved by 'imported' Celanese or Tamil sculptors employed by the Khmer God King, who brought their own traditional carving subject matter with them. Also there are as many chariots pulled by elephants, rhinos, lions, fish, crocodiles and garudas (mythical semi-human griffon-like creatures)* as there are ones drawn by horses. Some of the chariots are also drawn by 4 horse as well - but sculpted face-on - which is a really creative way of rendering them visually. All the purely military, historical friezes show only Infantry (spearmen, swordsmen, archers and crossbowmen) and Elephants in large numbers and very few cavalry - mostly in what appears to be a scouting or ADC type of role.
Even the cavalry depicted in the various allied contingents on The Bayon monument have very few cavalry in proportion to infantry and elephants. Horses generally don't do well in the heat and humidity of S.E.Asia. The only one we saw in 3 weeks in Cambodia looked very sorry for itself indeed!


Talking about another type of 'filly' - it's a bit like the inclusion of topless maiden guard in Khmer armies - more complete nonsense - where such figures are depicted they are again shown in the religious sections of the carvings - usually accompanying a Hindu deity in a heavenly battle.

NB: Khmer armies are an area of specialist research on my part - so sorry to bore on about it  :D

*an C11th Chinese source does refers to Khmer noble women being run-around down-town Angkor in 2 wheeled mini-chariots - pulled by a pair of goats! Now there's a modelling opportunity!!!

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