Commandos?

[hobbittomm]

Picked up BKC 2 (whilst waiting for 4), with a view to integrating foot raids/land and sea stuff with the 6mm Cruel Seas from Warlord. RM Commandos seem the obvious force for this, but no sign of them in the army list. Does one just use the Airborne army list for analagous experienced light infantry? Is there an official answer?

[Techno]

Personally..... can't answer that 'Tom'.....Sorry.

But as that was your first post....A very warm welcome to the forum. 

Cheers - Phil

[Lord Kermit of Birkenhead]

Hi. WWII commandos are decidedly odd in organisation, so you will have to do some research here.  Off the top of my head there were 6 troops - ie compnaies, with 3 Sections - ie platoons with 3 Rifle groups and a weapons group. I've got more detail elsewhere, but beware taht in 40, 41, 42 and 43 the units tended to be task organised, so no two raids were the same.

IanS

[hobbittomm]

Ta, Ian. And thanks for the welcomes!

It was more what stats should they equate to? (Granted for some land/sea it'll be easy enough, as it'll be Paratroopers anyway- eg Bruneval raid)

Most of the integration of the 2 systems looks easy enough based on weapon type (eg, a 20mm firing from a ship onto the land portion will attack like a 20mm AA under BKC rules, an 88mm firing from land onto sea will attack like a ship based 88 under CS rules)

[Shedman]

Have a look at the stats for other nations' foot sloggers

There are various traits you can use

Elite - no command penalty for close assault
Stubborn - one less suppression dice
Independent - no penalty for command distance

There are some other interesting ones in Cold War Commander & Future War Commander

Guerrilla - can go into Reserve as a command
Cyborg (i think)- no command penalty for having used opportunity fore / initiative

It all depends on how Uber you want you troops to be

Alan

ps  welcome to the forum

[hobbittomm]

I'm pretty sure Cyborg Commandos are a post ww2 thing

[fsn]

Army Commando, Normandy

• 5 Troops
• Signal Section
• Heavy Weapons Troop (3" mortars and Vickers(?))

Troop hq: (5)
Capt, Lt, SgtMaj, Medic, Radio (5) PIAT

1Section: (28)
Lt (1)

No 1 Assault Sub Section (11)
Rifle Group: Sgt (smg), Corporal (smg), 5 riflemen (7)
Bren Group: Cpl (rifle), Bren, 2 riflemen (4)

No 2 Assault Sub Section (11)

Support sub section (5)
Mortar: Cpl (smg) Lcpl (rifle)  mortarmen (2" mortar) (4)
Sniper: (1)

2Section (28)



From D-Day to VE day (Jean Bouchery)

[fsn]

Heavy Weapons Troop  From 1942
MG Section              2 x Vickers MMG
Mortar Section         2 x 3" mortar

4 crew per weapon, plus Lt, Sgt and Signaller HQ


British Commando 1940-45. Angus Konstam

[Dr Dave]

The Commando brigades generally operated as normal infantry from D-Day on. Their great advantage is that their orbat allowed a troop to fit nicely into two LCAs. It also means that they have no AT kit beyond a PIAT!

[hobbittomm]

Thanks Dave. Would you stat them as standard line infantry from the British/Commonwealth armylist, or as the somewhat tougher Paratroopers from the Airborne list?

[fsn]

Don't know the rule set, but I would rate Commandos as elite.

Paratroops would be a reasonable analogue. 

[Dr Dave]

Elite, hard as nails. Tough tough tough bordering on hyper-veterans. Normal Jerry should be hopelessly outclassed by them. Plus they're quite good.

[sultanbev]

Not just tough as nails. but more importantly, able to use initiative to carry on the mission when things go wrong ie CV10
In BKC terms the organisation of a Commando for NW Europe 1944-45 is:
HQ Stand CV10 (Infantry)
5 Troops@ 1 infantry stand (with Brens and PIATs, demo charges and 2" mortars)
1 Troop: 1x 3" mortar stand, 1x Vickers MMG stand
1 attached Naval FC Team

In reality the 2x 3" mortars and 2x Vickers in real life aren't enough for a BKC stand, but hey-ho. Note BKC didn't have separate stats for 2" mortars and the like, they were considered incorporated into the existing firing D6s.

Mark

[Dr Dave]

...did we mention how tough they are?

Maj Dudley Coventry killed a Jerry with a single punch!

[Ben Waterhouse]

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