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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

Problem is that the specialist vehicle is never where you want it !
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Techno II

Quote from: fsn on 02 January 2021, 09:22:20 PM


Explain to a non military oik.

What's the 'big lump' (where those chaps are sitting) at the back of the turret for ?
A counterweight to the barrel ?

Genuine question.

Cheers - Phil :)

Raider4

Quote from: fsn on 03 January 2021, 08:38:25 AM


The Russian BMPT "Terminator" is an urban combat vehicle based on a T-72 hull, but with the turret replaced with a new remote mount.  This carries 4x 9M120 Akata ATGMs, plus 2x 30mm autocannon and a coaxial machine gun as primary armament controlled by the primary gunner, and left and right 30mm automatic grenade launchers controlled by a pair of dedicated gunners.  The crew of 5 is rounded out by the driver and commander.  The vehicle is intended to support tanks in urban combat or in other close terrain, where they are at risk from infantry tank hunters, which the Russians had unpleasant experience of in Chechnaya.

Normal crew for a T-72 is 3, so that's probably going to be a little cramped.

Raider4

Quote from: Techno II on 03 January 2021, 11:08:26 AM
Explain to a non military oik.

What's the 'big lump' (where those chaps are sitting) at the back of the turret for ?
A counterweight to the barrel ?

Genuine question.

Aye, almost certainly. Probably incorporates some extra storage as well.

Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

Had a look at Osprey NV 197 - looks like a turret overhang to allow for enhanced depression and recoil. N o pictures show the M48/60 stowage basket. Also the commanders cupola is right at the back of the turret in the rear overhang. The original vehicle was fitted with the same petrol engine as the M48A2, the USMC fitted theirs with desiels with more power and used them up to 1973, some at least at Guantanamo Bay.
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Seems mostly to have been the commander and ammo.

But looking at size of the ammo you can see why.


I think it was two piece rounds?
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Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

No one peice Nobby same on Conqueror, which I think has the same gun.
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Techno II

How the frig did they get many shells of that size into the vehicle ? :o

Was it a one shot.....then go back 'home' and pick up another one ?

Or did some poor sap follow on behind with a big wheelbarrow ?

From the line drawings Nobby's posted, there's next to sod all room in there already ?
Talk about being bloody cramped !

Cheers - Phil.  :-\

Lord Kermit of Birkenhead

It's got roughly 30 rounds mostly stowed as the turret floor. It was loaded through the turret hatches. The round shown in Nobby's piccy is HE. From the caption I have just seen the rounds may be separate loading. The enire design was badly conceived although popular with the crews as it was regarded as spacious, it's intended role was taking out the Soviet heavy tanks, specifically the T10/IS III, as the US Army didn't think their 90mm could do trhe job (it could with HEAT). Fior Phil - HEAT is High Explosive Anti-Tank, or hollow charge.
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Techno II

I still can't get my head around how horrendously bloody cramped it would be in that space.

It must have been an absolute sodding nightmare to get 'extra'  shells in there, Ian....From what you've posted, in the past.....I believe YOU have been in that position.

Hats off to you, Matey !.....I wouldn't have been able to do that 'in my youth'......Forget nowadays.

Cheers - Phil  :)

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Quote from: ianrs54 on 03 January 2021, 12:58:36 PM
No one peice Nobby same on Conqueror, which I think has the same gun.
You sure? Conqueror was definitely 2 piece and the diagram has "ammunition charge" and "ammunition projectiles"   :-\
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No Phil, I was a thumb in bum mind in neutral officer cadet in LUOTC. That unit was also 5th Btn of Her Majesty's 8th (Kings Liverpool) Rgt of Foot to give it it's full title. I have ridden in 432's and fired 25pdr, 105 mm Pack howitzers. Closest to riding inside  a tank was the Cheiftain engine deck before ending up to my waist in quick sand in Imber village. We were going to fire Cheifies but a minor royal turned and firing was canceled. I did get to get into Cents and Cheifies at RCMS in Swindon. They arn't to small, having designed ergonomically. For small tanks try a T55/62/64/72 et al, crews of those have to be 5' 6" or less in height.

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T13A

Hi

Tango One Three Alpha, Ajax, 2RTR, 1976

Chieftain Commanders Position (closed down, taken from the loader/radio operators position):



Gunner, also taken from the loaders position (you can just see the commanders hand on the  controller on the right hand side):



Loader/operator (me, you can just see the the edge of one of the two radios on the left, and some of the empty ammo racks, the (separate) bagged propellent charges were kept in coolant filled containers on the floor; when you opened the lid they 'popped' up as they had a spring underneath commonly called a zebbedy, people of a certain age will no why)  ;)



Cheers Paul

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Techno II

03 January 2021, 04:02:13 PM #193 Last Edit: 03 January 2021, 04:13:08 PM by Techno II
Good grief !!!!

How did folk (including you, Paul) manage to stay in something that small without losing your minds ?

EEEEEEK !..... X_X X_X X_X X_X

P.S......Is that a young version of that nice Mr Hussein.

Cheers - Phil :)


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