As some of you will have worked out from my recent questions on the forum and the title of this thread my next project is the Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence.
Leon has priced up my order and I even managed to order two codes as standard packs out of 36 different 'codes'.
I will be using a wing scale variant of Volley & Bayonet with most battalions being two stands of 12 figures each in reasonably open order on 3"x1.5" bases.
I've focused on July - September 1857 and the lead up to the first relief of Lucknow. This gives me a dozen historic battles to refight.
The Company forces are based around Brig-Gen. Henry Havelock's Allahabad Moveable Column and later Oude Field Force. I've also added the cavalry brigade from the second relief of Lucknow. The 109 Allahabad Volunteer Cavalry and 59 mostly Sikhs from the 12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry didn't really provide much of a cavalry arm.
The Indian forces are based on the units said to have been reviewed by Nana Sahib, Peshwa of the Maratha empire, at Cawnpore on 28 June 1857. Bengal Native Infantry, Light Cavalry and Irregular Cavalry, Oudh Irregular Infantry and Cavalry, 'Nowabie regiments', levies, and a great mob of zemindars and badmash.
What a great period... Looking forward to seeing your work.
Bob
Really looking forward to seeing your work on this Paul :) .
Quote from: Steve J on 05 July 2022, 06:52:24 AMReally looking forward to seeing your work on this Paul :) .
How many Pauls are there?
=D> looking forward to seeing this one progres
QuoteHow many Pauls are there?
Worldwide? No idea. In New Zealand? Again, no idea.
However, in Sweden ....
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Nice! I don;t suppose you'd be kind enough to post which figures you're using for which units etc?
HM & Company Commanders
MUB21 Mounted officers (5)
MUB22 Sir Colin Campbell
MUB23 Sir Henry Havelock
MUB7 Lancers Officer
MUB9 Cavalry in tunic and pugree Officer
MUB11 Punjabi cavalry Officer
HM & Company Cavalry
Allahabad Volunteer Cavalry. Capt. Lousada. Barrow, 5th Madras Light Cavalry. (109).
MUB12 Gentleman Horse
MUB8 Cavalry in shirt and cap
MUB9 Cavalry in tunic and pugree
12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry. A/Capt. Wm. Johnson, 6th BNI. Mostly Sikhs. (59).
MUT12 Bengal irregular cavalry
HM 9th Lancers. Maj. Henry Ouvry. 2 x sqns. (200, estimate).
MUB7 Lancers
2nd Bn. Military Train. Maj. James Robertson. 2 x sqns. (200).
MUB8 Cavalry in shirt and cap
MUB9 Cavalry in tunic and pugree
1st Punjaub Cavalry. Lt. John Watson. 1 x sqn.
2nd Punjaub Cavalry. Lt. Dighton Probyn. 1 x sqn.
5th Punjaub Cavalry. Lt. George Younghusband, 13th BNI. 1 x sqn.
Hodson's Horse. Lt. Hugh Gough. (160).
MUB11 Punjabi cavalry
HM & Company Infantry
HM 5th Regiment (Northumberland Fusiliers). Maj. James Simmons. Nos 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, & 10 Coys. (420).
HM 64th (2nd Staffordshire) Regiment. Maj. Thomas Stirling. (435).
HM 84th (York & Lancaster) Regiment. (With 2 x coys HM 64th under command). Capt. Frederic Willis. [190+227]
1st Madras Fusiliers ('Neill's Bluecaps'). Maj. John Stephenson. [376]
HM 78th Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs). Lt-Col. Henry Stisted. (26 & 523).
HM 90th (Perthshire Volunteers) (Light Infantry). 7 x coys. Col. Robert Campbell CB. (28 & 646).
MUB2 Infantry in Campaign dress
The 78th Highlanders are sometimes depicted in kilts etc but first-hand accounts contradict this
Ferozepore Regiment (Brasyer's Sikhs). Capt. Jeremiah Brasyer. (341).
MUB3 Sikh Infantry
HM & Company Artillery
Maude's Battery, No. 3 Coy/8th Bn., RA. Capt. Francis Maude. Bullock-drawn field battery. 5 x 9-pdrs, 1 x 24-pdr howitzer.
Olpherts' Battery, No. 2 Coy/3rd Bn., with No. 12 Light Field Battery, Bengal Artillery. Capt Wm.
MUB14 9pdr guns with crew (3)
Eyre's Battery, No. 3 Heavy Field Battery, (No. 1 Coy/5th Bn.), Bengal Artillery. Maj. Vincent
MUB17 24pdr field guns with crew (3)
Indian Leaders
MUT9 Bengal light cavalry, Company dress Officer
MUT10 Bengal light cavalry, civilian dress Officer
MUT12 Bengal irregular cavalry Officer
MUT19 Mounted leader (5)
MUT20 Lakshmibal
MUT21 Tantia Tope
Nowabie, Badmash leaders
MUT8 Feudal command (15)
Indian Cavalry
2nd Bengal Light Cavalry (BLC) complete with elements of 1st BLC and 2 x tps 7th BLC
7th Bengal Light Cavalry (1 x sqn)
MUT9 Bengal light cavalry, Company dress
MUT10 Bengal light cavalry, civilian dress (some)
13th Bengal Irregular Cavalry (BIC), from Azimghur.
14th Bengal Irregular Cavalry (1 x sqn), from Nowong.
MUT12 Bengal irregular cavalry
1st Oudh Irregular Cavalry (OIC), of Lucknow
2nd Oudh Irregular Cavalry (OIC), of Lucknow
MUT12 Bengal irregular cavalry
Nowabie Horse
MUT10 Bengal light cavalry, civilian dress
Indian Infantry
1st Bengal Native Infantry (BNI), of Cawnpore
53rd Bengal Native Infantry (BNI), of Cawnpore
56th Bengal Native Infantry (BNI), of Cawnpore
17th Bengal Native Infantry (BNI), from Azimghur.
12th Bengal Native Infantry (BNI) (wing), from Nowong.
Elements of 10th BNI from Futteghar. Elements of 6th BNI from Allahabad. Elms 48th BNI (2 x coys).
MUT1 Sepoys in Company dress [some spread across units]
MUT2 Sepoys in civilian dress
MUT4 Ex-Company command in civilian dress (15)
2nd Oude Irregular Infantry
5th Oude Irregular Infantry
MUT1 Sepoys in Company dress
MUT3 Ex-Company command in Company dress (15)
Three 'Nowabie regiments' from Cawnpore
MUT7 Barkandaze feudal matchlockmen
MUT8 Feudal command (15)
Two half-regiments of newly raised levies from Cawnpore
MUT5 Civilian insurgents / Badmash
Badmash -great mob of zemindars, &c, of neighboring districts, who came well-armed to assist the Nana.'
MUT5 Civilian insurgents / Badmash
MUT6 Ghazi Muslim fighters
MUT7 Barkandaze feudal matchlockmen
MUT8 Feudal command (15)
Indian Artillery
No 1. Field Bty, Oude Irregular Artillery (horse-drawn, 9-pdr equipped)
MUT14 9pdr guns with crew (3)
No. 18 Light Field Battery from Nowong. (probably horse-drawn, 9-pdr equipped)
MUT15 12pdr Howitzers with crew (3)
Remaining guns: 2 x 6-pdrs, 1 x 12-pdr, 1 x 24-pdr heavy gun, 1 x 10-in mortar, 1 x 5.5 in. brass mortar
MUT17 24pdr field guns with crew (3)
Civilians
MUB20 Bullock carts (2)
MUT24 Indian civilians
MUB25 British Civilians
Thanks Paul, that's awesome work. :)
While I wait patiently for my order to get to the casting dwarfs and make its way to this side of the world I've got a three things to keep me busy on this project
- Collating my uniform research
- Further researching the dozen or so battles between Allahabad & Lucknow between July & September 1857 and developing scenarios for them
- Working on terrain
I've decide to reuse my existing middle-eastern buildings for now rather than source entirely new buildings.
They are currently based on 3" squares for
Spearhead and
If the Lord Spares Us. This works well for
Volley & Bayonet as 'towns' need a 3" square area for units to occupy on a 6"x4" town area. So I've built some 6"x4" sabots with slightly larger than 3" square holes.
I also need some 'villages' which are 3"x2" with an at least 1.5" square area that detachments can occupy. For these I've scratch built some simple buildings out of 2mm cardboard that are very similar to my smallest existing buildings. I've mounted these on one end of the 3"x2" 'village' base.
I've roughly textured them with some spare moulding paste and undercoated them black.
Nice project, Paul. Best of luck with it, and I look forward to seeing your armies in action!
I know you're happy with V&B, so this reply isn't aimed so much at you as at other potentially interested persons reading this thread (though there might be useful stuff in it for you too):
I hope forum members have enjoyed the occasional reports I've posted of BBB games set in India. If so, and if you fancy trying them yourself, I have good news for you – the scenarios are now available as part of a collection of sixteen covering the 2nd Maratha War, Sikh Wars and Indian Mutiny. See details on the BBBBlog here:
https://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.com/2022/07/newly-published-bloody-big-battles-in.html
Thanks Chris, I'll have a look
As I've said before our group has reached 'peak rules', we use about a dozen different sets and so adding another set would be very difficult. One of the reasons I went with this project is that we can use the wing scale variant of Volley & Bayonet which we use for AWI with some weapons added
What I have read of BBB is very positive and if we had come across it decades ago when we were looking for a set of large scale Napoleonic rules we may have settled on them rather than V&B
Similar story with us at OWS, I suppose, Paul - we're so invested in BBB (in terms of everyone knowing the rules, as much as of having all the armies and scenarios geared to it) that if a better set came along tomorrow it would still be hard to change. There's a lot to be said for just having a common workable ruleset that everyone is broadly happy with and familiar enough with that the rules don't get in the way of playing the game. And the nineteenth century offers such variety of wars and weapons that you can be using the same ruleset every week, yet playing very different games.
I've done a couple of heavy dry brushes on the simple buildings and painted in some wooden door jambs :)
I've also done a couple of coats of base colour on the underside of bases to hopefully limit warping :-SS
I will need a lot of walls (about 20' :o) and have some left over ice block sticks from my ECW hedges. I'll cut these down into a mixture of 3" and 4" lengths as bases. I'll use 2mm cardboard to make the walls and texture them with moulding paste.
I'm not sure how I'm going to handle the corners :-\
Most commercially cast walls I've seen use L shapes for the corners with each leg of the wall being reasonably long. I suspect trying to do this with ice block sticks and cardboard walls will not be strong enough.
The other three options I've thought of are:
- make small square corner pieces which will be very flexible but at only 10mm square will be fiddly and may be unstable
- add returns to the end of a number of the wall lengths, this is probably the least flexible (enough of the right length and right direction) but simple and stable
- cut the ends of the ice block stick bases at 45 degrees on both sides so they can be butted up at 90 degrees at the corners, I'm not sure how this will look when there are several straight sections
Thoughts and suggestions welcome
Corners for walls and hedges can be a pain - I've got L shaped corner sections for the hedges I have - but find they don't get used that much, as they often aren't the right length.
I find I tend to do corners and junctions just by aligning the straight sections with each other. So I'd go for some variant of 3, either try the 45º option, or even just cut away the base totally at the ends. As long as the bases are similar to the ground colour, I don't think the gaps will be noticeable.
Having some half-length sections will be useful too.
Thanks Fred, I saw your response last night and got stuck into making some test wall sections
They are now made and ready to be textured with moulding paste :!!
I've done three coats of base colour on the tops of the 'village' bases :)
I've also mixed up a batch of my 'arid' flock :)
It's been a while since I did any modeling and I'm really enjoying getting back into it :) :) :)
Using only spare bits and pieces I already have is a nice bonus.
I claim I'm green and reusing. My daughter claims I'm just tight ;D
'Village' bases flocked :)
Test walls textured, under coated black, two heavy dry brushes of off white, a dusty final dry brush and two coats of base colour on the bases :) :) :)
I'm reasonably happy with how they look, I need to decide if I flock the bases or leave them plain so they blend into the base cloth :-\
'Town' bases painted, I need to slot in the existing buildings and work out how to blend each one into the larger area
A couple of grab shots of the test walls on my 'arid' base cloth with some WWI Kiwis for scale
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52202609627_77c73df492_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nwY28z)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52204117235_e1ff0882ce_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nx6KhP)
The wall is 12mm high and 115mm long
All feedback welcome
Looking good
Looking good
:-bd
Right then, only another 19 feet to make :!!
I finished painting up the 'town' sabots yesterday and applied flock to the road/track areas tonight :)
I made good progress yesterday on about another 3 feet of walls, tonight they had moulding paste applied :)
Applied main flock to 'town' sabots :)
Undercoat & first dry brush done on current batch of walls, should get the second dry brush done tonight :) :!!
Next batch of walls cut out, glued up and ready for moulding paste :) :!!
Double checked and each batch of walls is closer to 5 feet than 3 :) #:-S
Touched up main flock on 'town' sabots and added vegetation :) :)
Current batch of walls finished :)
Next batch of walls only needs second coat on bases and they are done :) :!!
Tidied up vegetation on 'town' sabots and soaked with diluted PVA so these are finished :) :)
'Next' batch of walls finished :)
Two more batches of walls underway, the first is ready for black undercoat, the second is ready for moulding paste :) :)
I need to start thinking about trees, several of the battles feature groves of trees. I will probably go with areas of felt with a few scatter trees.
Any suggestions on what types of trees there would have been near Lucknow and Cawnpore in 1857 and any good sources for suitable models (or suggestions for scratch building).
The two batches of walls that were underway and now done :) :)
Still pondering trees :-\
Paul theres a whole website on this...
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/lucknow/flowering-trees-planted-in-lucknow/a
Quote from: paulr on 17 July 2022, 09:43:09 AMStill pondering trees :-\
Still pondering trees :-\
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/flowering-trees-planted-in-lucknow/articleshow/48651690.cms (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/flowering-trees-planted-in-lucknow/articleshow/48651690.cms)
Ya missed a bit, Speedy.
Ta Nobby
https://outreachecology.com/landmark/category/geography/uttar-pradesh/lucknow/
Thanks Gents, I might have to consider buying some trees :o
Any suggestions for reliable sources...
The Model Tree Shop is where I've been getting mine for at least ten years. Very helpful, lots of choices and good prices. They are closed for their summer break until 1 August.
I buy my trees on EBay from one of several Chinese companies that do bags of trees for model railways at very reasonable prices.
Thanks Gents
Started work on the next batch of walls gluing finished, nearly ready for moulding paste :)
Moulding paste last night, black undercoat and 2 heavy dry brushes of off white done today :)
Last batch of walls finished
A question for the forum, what Vallejo paint would be a good match for Oxford mix trousers in this period?
I have a better solution to your corner problem
Ask Leon nicely to cut you some MDF corner bases the same width as the ice lolly sticks. He did this for me when I had exactly the some conundrum as you.
I would also be tempted to use MDF bases for the walls as these will be far stronger than card. You can order custom sizes on the website. I think you find the small cost makes the lack of effort worthwhile.
Thanks Orcs, a little late with that suggestion
QuoteLast batch of walls finished
...
QuoteThanks Orcs, a little late with that suggestion
... but useful for anyone reading this thread in future and thinking they'd like to copy you?
<:-P My order has shipped :)
Shipment has departed from a DHL facility TEESSIDE - UK
Estimated Delivery Date
08. August 2022 - By End of Day :-w
Arrived at DHL Sort Facility LONDON-HEATHROW - UK
29. July 2022 01:42 Local time, LONDON-HEATHROW - UK :-w
Record for Pendraken to my front door here in NZ is 5 and a half days, if they beat that time consider it a good effort :)
:o
Shipment has departed from a DHL facility LONDON-HEATHROW - UK
29. July 2022 14:10 Local time
Judging by the Customs clearance status updates its headed for CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA and LOS ANGELES GATEWAY, CA - USA
I've been waiting for some better weather to take some proper pictures of the terrain I've made for this project.
Having looked at the forecast for the next week I've taken a couple of grab shots
Walls in three different lengths:
- 4.5" maximum length of ice lolly sticks
- 3.5" gives 3" internal size matching troops base width
- 2" gives 1.5" internal size matching base depth
3"x2" 'Villages' with scratch built buildings with space for 1.5" square detachment to occupy
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52250012516_6664aa7398_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nB9YmL)
6"x4" 'Towns' with removable existing buildings on 3" squares, allowing space for 2 troop bases (the 3" squares count as town sectors for ITLSU and Spearhead)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52250026508_071272614d_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nBa3w1)
Impressive stuff, Paul. Looking good.
Very nice!
Good to see you have a couple of walls there!
Hopefully that should be enough walls, although I still have some left over lolly pop sticks and cardboard @-)
Very nice work Paul :-bd
Looked on the Pizza Hut site but couldn't see any buildings in their menu ;) .....(Shall I get my coat on? :-\)
=D> very nice. I'll try and copy that switchable building technique when I finally get round to the peninsular mega-city I seem to have bought !
Arrived at DHL Sort Facility LOS ANGELES GATEWAY - USA
Friday 29. July 2022 21:50 Local time
Looks like it has skipped CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA #:-S
Are the fields just rows of static grass? Was planning something similar for my 2mm vineyards I need to do.
They are a mix of a couple of different colours of Woodland Scenics Coarse Turf
I run lines of PVA and pile the turf on, once dry I reclaim the excess turf and then soak with diluted PVA
Shipment has departed from a DHL facility LOS ANGELES GATEWAY - USA :)
30. July 2022 11:14 Local time
Customs clearance status updated AUCKLAND - NEW ZEALAND :)
31. July 2022 06:15 Local time
QuoteThey are a mix of a couple of different colours of Woodland Scenics Coarse Turf
I run lines of PVA and pile the turf on, once dry I reclaim the excess turf and then soak with diluted PVA
Good to know, thanks.
Scheduled to depart on the next planned movement
01. August 2022 14:35 Local time, WELLINGTON - NEW ZEALAND
Given its now almost 6pm it looks like it will be delivered tomorrow :)
Forwarded to a third party agent
02. August 2022 13:33 Local time WELLINGTON - NEW ZEALAND
Should be getting close now :-w
On a long walk yesterday I popped into a church in the village of North Stoke in the Cotswolds whilst taking a break in the churchyard (they have a nice bench with a stunning view from it). A plaque on the wall showed a local family had a memeber leading the forlorn hope at Seraginpatam, one dying at Lucknow and another becoming Viceroy. I wished I'd had my camera (next time) as I thought of your project Paul and how interesting it was that from this small village the family had been involved in many major events in India. Some other interesting stuff in there too.
Connections like that have a way of making wars much more tangible
I would be very interested in seeing them
Still no sign of my shipment :( :-w :-w :-w
Quote from: paulr on 02 August 2022, 07:57:52 AMStill no sign of my shipment :( :-w :-w :-w
Patience Patience MAN :d
Ah the great Kiwi Mutiny of 2022/First New Zealand War of Postal Delays
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Their depot is about an hours drive from here ~X( :-w :-w :-w
Shipment is out with courier for delivery
03. August 2022 10:02 Local time, WELLINGTON - NEW ZEALAND
That was just over an hour ago, the excitement builds :-w
I'm sure they will be worth the wait....
In the meantime here's something to watch that relates to one of the units you are depicting...finally remembered where I had seen reference to 1st Madras Fusiliers in 1857:
Thanks, another interesting connection
As horrific as the description of the events are in the video there were several worse bits left out
It is hard to fathom how people can behave in such horrific ways
I am truly glad I haven't been challenged in the way they were
On a happier note
Delivered
03. August 2022 16:58 Local time, WELLINGTON - NEW ZEALAND <:-P <:-P <:-P
I was working from home on my own all day :-w :-w :-w
They delivered it just before my wife and I were due to head out :o
Fortunately I noticed it at the door while she was still getting ready and relocated it to my office ;)
Well the Eagle has landed so to speak, but a close call there Paul ;) ;D .
Looking good so far. :-bd
Ordered Soldiers of Napoleon Monday, arried this morning, from another country -Wales
28 July to 3 August isn't bad at all.
Edward
I'm impressed, Firestone Games :)
To be fair that's not a bad delivery time. Mine can sometimes take 6 days to reach me and they have over 12,000 fewer km to travel.
Definitely a good delivery time overall :)
I've made a start on sorting them into units and am really pleased with the figures :-bd =D> :-bd =D>
I've been thinking about how to mix the figures on the bases and blue-tacked some figures to bases to see how they look
The infantry comes in three poses, plus command. Each battalion will typically be 2 3"x1.5" stands each with 12 figures in 2 rows.
Company battalions will have a separate 1.5"x1.5" command stand.
One option I've come up with are to mix the poses up like these
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52261092162_954b864df9_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nC8KX9)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52262064421_90074ba7a5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nCdJYe)
Another option is to split the battalion into 4 'platoons' (2 per base) and group the poses into 3 the same
- 3 firing backed by 3 at the ready
- 3 'command' backed by 3 advancing
- 3 firing backed by 3 advancing
- 3 advancing backed by 3 at the ready
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52262548365_be3db314a2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nCgdQ6)
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Using the first option for Indian units and the second for more disciplined Company units is a possibility
Thoughts, suggestions :-\
I'd go for more mixed formations for the Indian units, with more organised looking units for the ones with higher discipline/training. Just a little visual thing, but should add to the correlation between figures and game stats.
Why is it that colonial wargames leave me cold? I've got Featherstone's books on India and Africa, plus a book on the Boer War and two on the Zulu War but no clue why none of them get my wargaming juices flowing. On the other hand Zulu is my favourite film. I don't have any 'post-colonial' remorse or guilt. What is it I just don't get? Am I alone in this?
Quote from: John Cook on 04 August 2022, 11:00:33 AMWhy is it that colonial wargames leave me cold? I've got Featherstone's books on India and Africa, plus a book on the Boer War and two on the Zulu War but no clue why none of them get my wargaming juices flowing. On the other hand Zulu is my favourite film. I don't have any 'post-colonial' remorse or guilt. What is it I just don't get? Am I alone in this?
Is it the asymmetrical nature of the thing?
Visually attractive but not terrible exciting for me. Also it can be a bit one sided at times, or at least that's my impression, but stand to be proved ompletely wrong! A lot of the conflicts feel better as large scale skirmishes than pitched battles IMHO.
A visit to Lacock today and SWMBO and I spent a nice time in the church there. Again another wall plaque commerating an EIC officer that fought at Seringapatam, but fell whilst commanding some of the artillery lines during the siege. The light was not good enough for a photo I'm afraid.
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 04 August 2022, 12:46:58 PMIs it the asymmetrical nature of the thing?
Not sure. I quite like to fight one-sided/unbalanced games.
Quote from: Steve J on 04 August 2022, 02:03:34 PMVisually attractive but not terrible exciting for me. Also it can be a bit one sided at times, or at least that's my impression, but stand to be proved completely wrong! A lot of the conflicts feel better as large scale skirmishes than pitched battles IMHO.
Maybe that's it, I do like large pitched battles but, on the other hand, I don't mind one-sided either. More therapy needed I think.
QuoteMaybe that's it, I do like large pitched battles but, on the other hand, I don't mind one-sided either. More therapy needed I think.
Maybe having a think about what does attract you to a particular period or project then working out if those factors are missing or lessened in Colonial? E.g. maybe you like bright uniforms which are sometimes lacking in colonial. They're lacking in 20th century too, but then that provides a completely different style of battle which maybe holds other attractions that you can overlook the uniform monotony?
QuoteUsing the first option for Indian units and the second for more disciplined Company units is a possibility
Thoughts, suggestions :-\
Sounds like a sensible approach, though would the separate command base be fiddly? You probably have enough space on the bases to include the command with them? Did commanders stand in the centre or the flanks in the period do you know?
Quote from: John Cook on 04 August 2022, 11:00:33 AMWhy is it that colonial wargames leave me cold? I've got Featherstone's books on India and Africa, plus a book on the Boer War and two on the Zulu War but no clue why none of them get my wargaming juices flowing. On the other hand Zulu is my favourite film. I don't have any 'post-colonial' remorse or guilt. What is it I just don't get? Am I alone in this?
Yes, having dabbled in it in 28mm (only because everyone else here was) it is a mug's game for the oriental player, if your rules are vaguely historically correct. Most oriental "battalions" are 300-400 men, compared to European 600-1000 men battalions. Europeans operate in brigade-division-corps formations with proper staff and even signalling equipment occasionally, whereas the orientals are led by passionate individuals with little concept of staff work and no people to run it even if they had grasped the concept and were literate enough.
So your oriental units are outnumbered to start with, unit on unit, out commanded, and outshot. The Europeans shoot straight with breech loaders for miles, just shoots any charge to a halt - whereas you're chucking spears if you get close enough, or have inferior firearms with poorer training and ammunition supply. If you're on a horse or camel its even worse unless you manage to get around the flank (try doing that in 28mm). Oh, and machine guns and proper field artillery.
I do have an Ethiopian army which at least had some regulars, and has a decent amount of cavalry if I wish, so it has a bit more resilience. We did a 1986-era game once against a brigade of Italians, it took two division equivalents to beat the Italians over many turns, and that only because we over-valued the effect of spears being thrown.
Afterall, the orientals did lose all the colonial wars, there's a good reason for that which turns out isn't much fun as a wargame, so the era leaving you cold is understandable.
What we have found though more interesting as a game is two oriental armies against each other, eg Mahdists versus Ethiopians, as actually happened - it's a bit like medieval warfare with firearms, which is kinda okay. So when I finish my 1838-40 Afghans they are more likely to be used against Sikhs than Brits if my opponent gets round to doing them.
QuoteWhy is it that colonial wargames leave me cold? I've got Featherstone's books on India and Africa, plus a book on the Boer War and two on the Zulu War but no clue why none of them get my wargaming juices flowing. On the other hand Zulu is my favourite film. I don't have any 'post-colonial' remorse or guilt. What is it I just don't get? Am I alone in this?
I totally agree. I have no interest in the colonial campaigns, and no idea why not. It may be the asymmetrical aspect, but it certainly isn't colonial guilt. I include in the list the various wars in India and Afghanistan, as well as the Antipodes. Although a keen student of the Napoleonic wars, Assaye doesn't interest me.
It's not just the British either; the Conquest of Algiers leaves me cold, the meanderings of the Conquistadores, the doings of the Portuguese and the Belgians are unknown and of no interest, as is anything that happened in the Americas (excluding 1861-1865 obviously.)
QuoteIs it the asymmetrical nature of the thing?
This is one of the main reasons I went with the Indian Mutiny for my Colonial project. Both sides at least have similar weapons. The better discipline/morale of the Company is hopefully offset by the greater numbers of Indians
QuoteVisually attractive but not terrible exciting for me. Also it can be a bit one sided at times, or at least that's my impression, but stand to be proved completely wrong! A lot of the conflicts feel better as large scale skirmishes than pitched battles IMHO.
Wing scale Volley & Bayonet is pitched at small battles, most of the historic battles I'm looking at had 4-8 Company battalions and 6-10 Indian battalions plus various hangers on
QuoteSounds like a sensible approach, though would the separate command base be fiddly? You probably have enough space on the bases to include the command with them? Did commanders stand in the centre or the flanks in the period do you know?
The unit command stands are a feature of wing scale Volley & Bayonet so having them separate is important. They provide a simple way to reflect the different command and control capabilities of the various troops
I found, after an initial total lack of interest, that with rules allowing for ammunition shortages, hidden movement, ambushes, being attacked while still in column, and so on the regulars have a much harder fight on their hands.
Good points Alexander. I feel these sort of games, like many, would be greatly enhanced by playing them as part of a campaign, rather than single battles. Then the 'irregulars' at least have a fighting chance.
Good points FK
Steve, I am basing this project on the campaign to relieve Cawnpore and Lucknow
The first two battalions have been prepared and undercoated :)
I've sorted all the figures and my calculations appear to have worked out :o #:-S
As I start painting the first two units I need to finalise the design of my unit labels
Some people prefer no labels at all and I understand many of the arguments for this
With our group playing so many different periods and rule sets we find clear labels invaluable
The labels need to clearly show:
- what side a unit is on
- the brigade the unit is part of
- the name of the unit
- the rule stats needed for the unit
For my ECW and AWI forces I've used blue and green backgrounds for the labels to identify the sides.
This won't work for my arid base cloth which is a sandy colour.
I can use a similar sandy colour for the labels of the Indian troops. But what colour should I use for the Company units?
I want something that doesn't stand out too much.
I'm also going to use flags to differentiate between the Queens and Company units and the different Indian contingents.
I'll be using my coloured box approach to show the side, brigade and battalion.
Below are examples of some AWI labels and some initial thoughts on some labels for this project. I'm open to thoughts or suggestions on how to improve the labels
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Your labels look good - you get a lot more info on them than I manage.
You say the 3 boxes cover side, brigade and battalion. But I'm struggling to see how side works, looking at the flags too.
I think the blue vs green works well to show the two sides for AWI, and is probably more important for the mutiny as I think the flags will be less familiar to the players. I'd probably go for the brown and sand/yellow that you have used for the two Bengal examples as the two base colours.
I like the light yellow ones.
My only thought on the brown would be the contrast might be a bit low as the black on the brown is less noticeable than the others. The darker yellow is similar, though may just be the screen. Possibly a few shades lighter on the brown background?
Another possibility, would a kind of light stoney grey fit okay with the base sheet?
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hex code #918E85 or similar
Quote from: fsn on 04 August 2022, 05:33:11 PMAlthough a keen student of the Napoleonic wars, Assaye doesn't interest me.
Odd that, although Napoleonic is where wargaming all started for me, several decades ago, and I've read about Wellington's Indian campaigns, they don't float my boat either.
Anyway, it is good to know that I'm not alone by any stretch of the imagination and having looked at all the replies - thanks for that - I think I know what the problem is.
I do like large battles but my perception of so many colonial adversaries is that they seem to be amorphous mobs with no apparent organization that I can get to grips with.
I also use a 10:1 ratio for all my armies from the 11th to 19th centuries so the prospect of having to paint 2000 Zulus, for example, does not appeal and that is another perception. They all seem so drab and uninteresting from a painting point of view.
Happy to be persuaded otherwise and I have to confess that the Zulu War is an itch I have not yet scratched for all those reasons.
Quote...You say the 3 boxes cover side, brigade and battalion. But I'm struggling to see how side works, looking at the flags too...
First box is the side
- Red for the Queens/Company
- Orange for the Indians -saffron dovetail flag of the Maratha Empire
Second box is the brigade - Red, Blue, Yellow, Green...
Third box is the battalion within the brigade- Red, Blue, Yellow, Green...
HM 84
th is Queens/Company, first brigade, second battalion
Quote...probably more important for the mutiny as I think the flags will be less familiar to the players...
Definitely more important as the Indians were still carrying the Company issued colours, with Union Jacks!
The only Red coated units will be 2 battalions of Oudh Infantry (on the Indian side)
Quote from: mmcv on 05 August 2022, 08:34:55 AMI like the light yellow ones.
My only thought on the brown would be the contrast might be a bit low as the black on the brown is less noticeable than the others. The darker yellow is similar, though may just be the screen. Possibly a few shades lighter on the brown background?
Another possibility, would a kind of light stoney grey fit okay with the base sheet?
Thanks, I shall try some experiments, light stoney grey is a possibility I hadn't thought of
Also just describing the issue has been useful in clarifying my thinking
Quote from: paulr on 05 August 2022, 07:34:26 AMSome people prefer no labels at all and I understand many of the arguments for this
I like your labels very much and have evolved a similar system which is common for all my armies. I must say, though, I have never had a problem identifying which side units are on. It is pretty much evident from their appearance, flags and so on.
My coloured boxes tend to be pretty discrete, though visible from a players view point. Bottom left of the stand are up to three differently coloured boxes for the unit, the brigade (or equivalent) and division (or equivalent) if necessary. Bottom right is a coloured box for the corps if necessary.
The unit box also has the unit identifying number on it, essentially its rank within the formation of which it is part.
Only the command element has the unit name on it, black on a white strip I experimented with differently coloured strips but they only caused confusion and tended to 'disappear' at a distance from the viewer. So I went with a universal white strip with black lettering, which stands out against all kinds of backgrounds, a long time ago.
Full unit details, weapons, number of men, commanding officer, that kind of thing, is on the underside and is really only a repeat of what is in the army list anyway.
The system is also a storage solution as much as anything else and indispensable in that context.
Thanks for the further explanation Paul - I think orange vs red is probably going to be hard to pick out the differences on the table. Keeping red for the British seems a given in this era! So whether a blue or green work for the Indians.
John - as to telling sides apart does rather depend on the period and the sides. ECW and Indian Mutiny both seem like conflicts where a lot of units dressed very similarly on both sides - I suppose not uncommon in a Civil War.
Quote from: fred. on 05 August 2022, 12:37:54 PMJohn - as to telling sides apart does rather depend on the period and the sides. ECW and Indian Mutiny both seem like conflicts where a lot of units dressed very similarly on both sides - I suppose not uncommon in a Civil War.
It is a fair point. I have quite large ECW armies, and medieval where distinctive uniforms also don't exist, but I have still never encountered a problem knowing which side a unit was on.
Thanks Fred, yes the orange vs red is one of the main reasons I'm looking at distinctive backgrounds to the labels. Green would work for Muslim Indians but not Hindu... I'll probably do away with the first box if I find backgrounds that work.
Thanks John, I don't have a problem identifying units but then I painted them :)
For those less familiar with the period it can be a challenge. Skin tone will help for some units but not all
These two standards illustrate the challenge, they will be 10mm square
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Jackets/Shirts base coated and dry brushed :)
I'm pleased with the combinations of base coats and dry brushes, they give a suitably varied collection of dirty 'whites'
I'm going for a scruffy campaign look rather than parade ground appearance
Quote from: paulr on 06 August 2022, 12:34:50 AMThanks John, I don't have a problem identifying units but then I painted them :)
For those less familiar with the period it can be a challenge. Skin tone will help for some units but not all
I can see now, how it might be a problem in a club setting where there are lots of potential players involved. I don't belong to a club, my armies don't 'travel' and I game with a few individuals who are familiar with all the periods we play.
To get some idea of the actual size here are the flags that I have done for Paul in 10mm for this project....
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Fine work on those flags 8) .
Pierre the Shy is very helpful when it comes to flags :-bd
Good progress made on the current batch yesterday and this morning
Trousers base coated and dry brushed :)
Hats base coated and dry brushed :)
Cartridge boxes base coated and dry brushed :)
Boots done :)
Scabbards painted :)
Musket stocks done :)
Steel base coated :)
Quote from: pierre the shy on 06 August 2022, 10:54:03 AMTo get some idea of the actual size here are the flags that I have done for Paul in 10mm for this project....
Those are excellent.
The good progress continues on the first two battalions :)
Skin highlights left to do tonight then touch ups tomorrow
I'm very pleased with the figures, plenty of character and detail, all readily paintable :)
Skin highlights done last night :)
Touch ups done this morning :)
First coat done on bases :)
As promised Paul:
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Many thanks Steve, fascinating
The youngest boy was only a barrister at law ;)
Second coat done on bases :)
Next two battalions prepared and washed :)
Magnetic vinyl glued to bases :)
Figures washed :)
He was a bit of a failure I reckon Paul ;) . Not bad that one of them was buried in Westminster Abbey.
Sir Henry Montgomery Lawrence is buried at the Residency graveyard in Lucknow and is marked as he requested "Put on my tomb only this; Here lies Henry Lawrence who tried to do his duty."
I wonder how it is viewed by the locals now :-\
Final dry brush done :)
Figure bases painted :)
Looks like they will need a second coat
Second coat done on figure bases :)
First coat done on next lot of bases :)
Hopefully the weather will be good enough at some point tomorrow for undercoating :-w
QuoteI made good progress yesterday on about another 3 feet of walls, tonight they had moulding paste applied :)
What is your "moulding paste" please? Tried searching but all I get is haircare products.
It's an artists product made by Chroma Australia, you can find it on their Australian website here
https://chromaonline.com/atelieracrylic-au/products/molding-paste/ (https://chromaonline.com/atelieracrylic-au/products/molding-paste/)
They have a UK based company as well, Chroma Europe in Bolton 00 44 1204 850213
Second coat done on next lot of bases :)
Sorted first batch of figures ready for basing :)
Next two battalions are on the painting rods waiting to be undercoated :-w
Didn't get above 8 C (46 F) today so too cold to undercoat in the garage, not forecast to warm up until Friday or Saturday :-w
QuoteIt's an artists product made by Chroma Australia, you can find it on their Australian website here
https://chromaonline.com/atelieracrylic-au/products/molding-paste/ (https://chromaonline.com/atelieracrylic-au/products/molding-paste/)
They have a UK based company as well, Chroma Europe in Bolton 00 44 1204 850213
Ta very much.
Painting bases while waiting for it to warm up enough to undercoat in the garage :-w
Nearly got warm enough to undercoat this afternoon, then it rained :(
Painted some more bases and flocked the first of the skirmishing sabots :)
In V&B infantry (3"x1.5" bases) can break down into detachments (1.5"x1.5" bases) to occupy villages or to deploy into skirmish order (placed on 3"x1.5" sabot skirmish bases)
I also collected my printed flags and labels from Pierre the Shy :)
The flags look even more impression first hand :) :)
The labels look good glued to the bases
I've gone with a slight variation to the light stony grey suggested by MMCV
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It is similar in tone to the bases but is a distinct colour differentiating the two sides nicely
Painted some more bases and flocked some more skirmishing sabots :)
Had to buy a new large test pot of the paint I'm using for the bases and basing :o
First money I've had to spend on this project except with Pendraken X_X ;D
Based the first two battalions :)
Very pleased with the overall look, even if I say so myself :) :) :)
Will touch up flock and add flags tomorrow :-w
Not quite warm enough for undercoating but it should get warmer later in the afternoon :-SS
QuoteVery pleased with the overall look, even if I say so myself :) :) :)
Arrrgh! Post a pic so we can judge for ourselves! ;) :D
I only gave Paul the printed labels and flags at 7pm yesterday!!
Warmed up enough to undercoat the next 2 battalions :)
Flocked some more skirmishing sabots :)
Once the basing mixture is dry tomorrow I have a couple of Colours to add and possibly some flock to touch up
I may get a chance to take pics tomorrow afternoon
These won't be getting varnished until the weather is much warmer :-w
Touched up flock on some more skirmishing sabots :)
Added Colours and touched up some flock :)
Edges of Colours to do and then they are done until it warms up enough for varnishing
Edges of Colours done & a bit more flock touched up :)
Lost the light for photography today
Shirts/Jackets base coated on next two battalions :)
Shirts/Jackets dry brushed :)
Trousers base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Hats and other headgear base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Cartridge Boxes base coated :)
Scabbards and one battalion's boots done :)
Good progress on the two battalions, skin and hair left to do :)
Skin base coated :)
Hair done :)
Skin highlighted :)
Details added :)
Will do touch ups this evening
Need to prepare the next two battalions, the forecast is for undercoating weather maybe on Sunday between showers or Tuesday :-w
Touch ups done last night :)
Next 2 battalions prepared :)
2 current battalions washed this morning :)
Quote from: paulr on 18 August 2022, 08:58:29 PM2 current battalions washed this morning :)
No shortage of water in Wellington this week....or for the next one! :(
I'm hoping the forecast clearing late on Sunday will give me a chance to undercoat the next two battalions :-SS
The weather was not great today with rain but it eased a little this afternoon
While the light was not great it was at least constant so with my camera on a tripod...
1st Madras Fusiliers 'Neill's Bluecaps'
The unit of Billy Connolly's ancestor mentioned in the video posted by Pierre the Shy
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Deployed as 5 detachments with the unit commander behind
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1st Bengal Native Infantry of Cawnpore
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One of the two wings of the battalion can deploy as detachments while the other remains formed as supports
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Detachments can occupy villages or deploy in skirmish order on skirmish sabots
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0 | Mounted |
0 | Models |
83 | Total |
And finally for now, part of the inspiration for this project, Volume III of British Battles on Land and Sea by James Grant
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The portrait is of Brigadier-General Henry Havelock commander of the Allahabad Moveable Column that my HEIC troops are based on
The 78th Highlanders in the engraving on the right actually fought in white shirtsleeves and white drill trousers
Great start Paul ! :)
With the detachments have you effectively made each unit twice?
Nice to see the figures with the inspiration, though a shame that the near contemporary engraving is very much stylised - but perhaps I shouldn't be surprised at this from a Victorian era book.
For most units the detachments mean I'm adding 50% more figures, for the few units fully armed with rifled muskets it means about twice the figures
Leon kindly costed up some sabots I designed to avoid the extra figures. Even at the very reasonable price Leon came up with it was cheaper to buy the extra figures
The book doesn't have a publishing date but based on dedications in it, it was gifted to the first owner in 1893 and passed through two more generations of the same family
My son's fiancée spotted three of the four volume set in the charity shop she was managing at the time and purchased them for me
Lovely start, the labels came up well too, clear but not too intrusive.
Those look magnificent Paul!
QuoteLovely start, the labels came up well too, clear but not too intrusive.
Thanks again for your suggestion of grey for the HEIC labels, it hadn't occurred to me and works really well
They look very good indeed :-bd
Quote from: mmcv on 19 August 2022, 08:52:48 AMLovely start, the labels came up well too, clear but not too intrusive.
Plenty more to come..... just printed out 6 more A4 pages of labels for Paul!
Thank you, kind Sir
Very impressive, Paul, well done!
Cracking work there Paul 8) .
Next two battalions undercoated between showers, drying in the garage :)
Collected the labels from Pierre the Shy and labeled the bases for the current two battalions :)
Managed to get home before the next lot of heavy showers #:-S
Great looking Paul!
Current two battalions based :)
Next two battalions brought in from the garage, between showers, to finish drying :-w
Shaping up nicely. :-bd
Those are rather superb 8)
Flock touched up and flags added to the current two battalions :) :)
Shirts/Jackets base coated on the next two battalions :)
Keep it up !
The weather is sunny this afternoon, for a change, so...
HM 64th, 2nd Staffordshire
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I'm pleased with how the 'Oxford mix' trousers, I did for half the figures, turned out :)
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53rd Bengal Native Infantry, of Cawnpore
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Shirts/Jackets dry brushed on the next two battalions :)
Well done Paulr, great painting and basing, love the labels!
Trousers & hats base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Good progress today :)
Skin and hair left to do tomorrow :!!
Sorted out the next back; Commanders, Company cavalry, Bengal Light Cavalry
Last night as well as sorting the units I want to paint in the next batch I worked on finalising my painting notes for the various cavalry units
I've hit a bit of a snag with two units:
- 14th Bengal Irregular Cavalry
- 1st Oudh (or Oude) Irregular Cavalry
There doesn't seem to be much, if any, information available on the uniforms of these two units. The Irregular in their title refers to how they were recruited rather than any lack of uniform or drill
Both units will have worn alkaluks (long 'jackets') similar in style to the other units of the Bengal Irregular Cavalry and the 3
rd Oudh Irregular Cavalry
A painting exists of a British officer of the 3
rd Oudh Irregular Cavalry wearing a green alkaluk. One source has the 3
rd Oudh Irregular Cavalry with a green standard. The same source has a red standard for the 1
st Oudh Irregular Cavalry perhaps suggesting red alkaluks.
If anyone has any information on the uniforms of these two units it would be much appreciated
If I can't find any information I'll paint them up as a couple of known Bengal Irregular Cavalry units
Skin and hair done :) :)
Touch ups done :)
First coat on the first side of the next batch of bases :)
Continuing work on painting notes for the cavalry and commanders :!!
Latest batch of figures look great Paul 8) .
Washed the current batch this morning :)
Finished painting the next batch of bases :)
Prepared and washed the next batch of cavalry and commanders :)
Continuing work on painting notes for the cavalry and commanders :!!
Lots of different uniforms for the various commanders even down to unit level :-B
Did the final dry brush and figure bases on the current batch last night :)
Sorted them ready for basing freeing up my painting rods for the next batch :)
Discovered I'd managed to miscount the number of Bengal Native Infantry figures, I was one short :o ~X(
I've dug out a spare and will paint it with the next batch, this will probably delay basing all of the current batch :!!
Glued magnetic vinyl to the bases for the next batch :)
Finished the painting notes for the cavalry and commanders of the next batch :)
Undercoated the next batch :)
Base coated the horses of the 'next' batch :)
Labeled bases for the current and 'next' batch :)
Dry brushed the horses of the 'next' batch :)
Good progress on the 'next' batch:
- jackets/shirts base coated & dry brushed :)
- trousers base coated & dry brushed :)
- headgear base coated & dry brushed :)
- some tack done :)
- started adding details :)
More good progress on the 'next' batch:
- boots, black belts and saddle bags done :)
- started on the white details of the Bengal Light Cavalry :)
Even more good progress on the 'next' batch :)
Skin and hair left to do :!!
Skin and hair done :) :)
Touch ups should be done this evening with wash etc tomorrow
I need to start preparing another couple of battalions :!!
You certainly are a busy chap Paul and making excellent progress it would seem :) .
I'm lucky enough to have a dedicated painting table so can do a little whenever I have a bit of spare time
Touch ups done last night :)
Wash done early this morning :)
Final dry brush and first coat of figure bases done :) :)
Prepared and washed the next two battalions :)
Sorted the current batch off the painting rods ready for basing :)
Got the next two battalions undercoated :)
Started painting the bases for those battalions :)
Decided there was probably time to base the cavalry and mounted commanders of the current batch before dinner :!!
I mixed up a batch of my basing mix and added a little too much paint, no problem added a little more filler
Finished basing the cavalry and mounted commanders then realised I had basing mix left
Might as well press on and base some of the previously done infantry now I'd painted up the figure I'd miscounted
I had just enough mix to base all the infantry @-)
Dinner was 3 hours late X_X
Finished painting the bases for the next two battalions this morning :)
Flocking will be touched up later this afternoon and flags added :-w
Flocking touched, flags added, and edges painted :) :) :)
If the weather improves as forecast there might even be photographs :-w
Jackets/shirts of the current batch base coated and dry brushed :) :)
The weather improved as forecast this afternoon, so...
HM 78th Highlanders, Ross-shire Buffs
The 78th started with 4 companies, were reinforced in August with 4 more companies, and in September by a detail of 80 men
Making them one of the larger battalions in Henry Havelock's force
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The 78th fought in white shirtsleeves and white drill trousers, these stained very quickly. Importantly no kilts were worn, they were however imagined in England, so it is not uncommon to see portrayals of the 78th in red doublets and kilts.
56th Bengal Native Infantry of Cawnpore
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Force Commander | Brigadier-General Henry Havelock and Major-General Sir James Outram, |
| who generously defered command to Havelock until Lucknow was relieved |
1st Infantry Brigade | Brigadier James Neill, 1st Madras Fusiliers 'Neill's Bluecaps' |
2nd Infantry Brigade | Brigadier Walter Hamilton, 78th Highlanders |
3rd Artillery Brigade | Major George Cooper, Bengal Artillery |
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Allahabad Volunteer Cavalry commanded by Captain Lousada Barrow, 5
th Madras Light Cavalry
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The unit was made up of officers of mutinied/disarmed units, civilians and volunteer infantrymen. The infantrymen were mounted on the horses of the two irregular cavalry detachments, (3
rd Oudh and 13
th Bengal) disarmed after not charging at the Battle of Fatehpur. Note their red and blue quartered saddle blankets.
12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry (mostly Sikhs) commanded by A/Captain W Johnson, 6
th Bengal Native Infantry (which had mutinied)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52354233891_aacb6efe57_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLn8K2)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52354233876_5fd1cb70c9_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLn8JL)
Indian Commanders(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52354234056_0f726c51df_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLn8MS)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52354476923_4c3a6c70a7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLonZe)
Force Leader | Jawala Parshad, Nana Sahib's commander in chief |
1st Bengal Infantry | Commanders name not yet found |
2nd Bengal Infantry | Commanders name not yet found |
Bengal Light Cavalry Brigade | Tika Singh, a risaldar (Captain) of 2nd Bengal Light Cavalry |
2nd Bengal Light Cavalry with elements of 1
st BLC
First-hand accounts of the Battle of Fatehpur record that the cavalry were dressed in 'French Grey' regimentals, the infantry in white native dress
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52354234321_def536b058_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLn8Sr)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52354233731_3f7df66624_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLn8Gg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52353292047_bacf5e466a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLhiLk)
7th Bengal Light Cavalry, one squadron
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52353292512_e3e1e59935_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLhiUm)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52353292487_979d80d95e_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nLhiTV)
Painted & Based217 | Foot |
59 | Mounted |
0 | Models |
276 | Total |
Nicely done there Paul and you really are keeping up a cracking pace 8) .
QuoteIndian Commanders
absolutely beautiful. Not a period I have ever considered. 2027 Maybe.
Very impressive
Excellent
Great looking units Paul
I feel that a lot of thought has gone into the figure composition of these, as well as the research into units and the painting.
Looking forward to seeing more.
I'm sure you have said, but which rules are you basing for?
Absolutely marvelous, Paul. How many more to go now?
Fantastic work as always Paulr!
Pictures, I like pictures! Stunning work, you've been very busy. :-bd
Sterling stuff all round! Though I have a particular fondness for the rather motley Allahabad Volunteers!
Thanks all
Quote...
I feel that a lot of thought has gone into the figure composition of these, as well as the research into units and the painting.
...
I'm sure you have said, but which rules are you basing for?
I've really enjoyed going down the many rabbit holes and finding ways to represent them on the table :)
A Wing scale variant of Volley & Bayonet
We already use Volley & Bayonet for Napoleonics and a Wing scale variant for AWI
QuoteAbsolutely marvelous, Paul. How many more to go now?
About 750 :!!
Quote from: Ithoriel on 13 September 2022, 03:20:39 PMSterling stuff all round! Though I have a particular fondness for the rather motley Allahabad Volunteers!
They were particularly fun, if time consuming. MUB12 Gentleman Horse added greatly to the motleyness
Trousers of the current batch base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Headgear of the current batch base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Good progress over the last couple of days :)
I'm about to do skin highlights and then touch ups :!!
Also sorted out the next batch, a couple more infantry battalions and 6 artillery batteries
Skin highlights and touch ups done last night :) :)
Washed this morning :)
Next batch prepared and washed :)
Labels glued on bases for the current batch :)
First coat on both sides of the bases for the next batch :)
Final dry brush done :)
First coat on figure bases :)
Artillery pieces assembled :)
No fingers super glued together #:-S ;)
Second coat on figure bases :)
Second coat on bases for the next batch :)
Current batch sorted off the painting rods ready for basing :)
Next batch undercoated :)
Jackets, shirts & gun carriages base coated :)
Jackets & gun carriages dry brushed :)
Trousers base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Guns & metal work on carriages base coated and dry brushed :) :)
A busy bee Paul, rather like myself at present :) .
Second dry brush on guns :)
Headgear base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Seats on gun carriages done :)
Scabbards, cartridge boxes & European's boots base coated :)
Facings and hat bands done on Indians still in Company dress :)
Last batch based #:-S :)
;)
Photos?
;)
Cartridge boxes dry brushed :)
Flock touched up on last batch :)
Quote;)
Photos?
;)
Weather forecast is promising for Monday, which is a public holiday here to mark the Queen's memorial service
Flags added and edged on last batch :)
Details done on the current batch :) :) :) :)
Skin base coated on the current batch :)
Magnetic vinyl glued to bases last night :)
Hair done :)
Bases labeled :)
Skin highlighted :)
Bases and figures for the next batch sorted :)
Touch ups done :)
Current batch washed last night :)
Figures for the next batch washed last night :)
Final dry brush and two coats on the figure bases done :) :) :)
Assembled Bullock carts, not sure if they be included in the next or a later batch, will have to see how I go for space :-\
First coat of first side done on most of the bases for the next batch :)
I sit the bases on old Humbrol tins so I can paint the edges as well as the side but only have so many old tins. I'll have to do another batch of base painting
Sorted current batch off the painting rods ready for basing :)
Next batch, including bullock carts, undercoated :) :)
Previous batch photographed :)
HM 84th York & Lancaster Regiment, with 2 x coys HM 64th under command (some with Oxford mix trousers)
(https://i.imgur.com/Ba710Oe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AJVd1oL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rdHQNTS.jpg)
17th Bengal Native Infantry, from Azimghur
(https://i.imgur.com/IiZWI1S.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1xfWuu4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/O686aBj.jpg)
6 Bengal Native Infantry Unit commanders
Under Volley & Bayonet the BNI units would not normally have unit commanders to reflect their historically reduced tactical flexibility. tactical flexibility is required.
1st, 12th, Combined 6th, 10th & 48th Bengal Native Infantry
(https://i.imgur.com/NyturXT.jpg)
17th, 53rd, 56th Bengal Native Infantry
(https://i.imgur.com/wVHbE4f.jpg)
Painted & Based304 | Foot |
59 | Mounted |
0 | Models |
363 | Total |
Cracking work once again Paul 8) .
Looking good!
:-bd :-bd
Another great looking set of units. I do like the look you have for these troops - I think its a combination of the painting, the formations, the labels and the basing. All come together to give a great end result.
Ohh very nice indeed
Very nice indeed. When do you anticipate these will get their first game?
Not sure when they will get their first game :-\
First, I need the weather to settle enough so I can get them varnished :-w
Next, I need to find a slot in our regular groups schedule, I'm guessing late October or early November
That should give me enough time to add some more Indian cavalry and some undrilled troops; Nowabie, Zemindars, Badmash & Levies :!!
Quote from: paulr on 27 September 2022, 09:38:17 AMNot sure when they will get their first game :-\
First, I need the weather to settle enough so I can get them varnished :-w
Have you tried brush on varnish? It's quick to apply, gets better coverage than spray on, and you can use it year-round (so when it's -30 outside in winter, or 40 and humid in summer, here in Toronto).
I know it works well for some people, but I've had trouble with brush on varnish in the past:
- clouding
- reactivating the PVA and dislodging flock during brush on
Finished painting most of the bases for the next batch :)
Started painting the rest of the bases for the next batch, plus a few extras :)
Base coated the horses, bullocks and carts of the next batch :)
Always good to see a project progressing quickly!
A bit of a slow day today ;)
Touched up base coat on horses and bullocks :)
Dry brushed bullock carts :)
Painted another side of the rest of the bases for the next batch, plus a few extras :)
Glued magnetic vinyl to most of the bases for the next batch :)
An even slower day yesterday, but partly due to a game in the evening :)
https://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,21409.msg348039.html#msg348039 (https://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,21409.msg348039.html#msg348039)
Dry brushed horses and bullocks :)
Based the previous batch #:-S :)
Quote from: Nick the Lemming on 27 September 2022, 12:51:37 PMHave you tried brush on varnish? It's quick to apply, gets better coverage than spray on, and you can use it year-round (so when it's -30 outside in winter, or 40 and humid in summer, here in Toronto).
Yes, as you say. More reliable - no misting, no rough finish and better cover - altogether better.
I've had misting on both brush on and spray varnish, though both are a very rare occurrence and easily remedied.
I find spray varnish massively faster to apply and have had no problem with coverage.
Each to their own, though.
Touched up flock on previous batch :)
Glued on artillery pieces for the previous batch :)
Painted another side of the rest of the bases for the current batch, plus a few extras :)
Started base coating the jackets of the current batch :)
Added and edged flags on previous batch :) :)
Finished base coating the jackets/shirts of the current batch :)
Dry brushed the jackets/shirts of the current batch :)
Also, the weather was fine today, and I worked from home ;)
Ferozepore Regiment Brasyer's Sikhs
(https://i.imgur.com/XjkvGey.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3LKogmZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sQqxPzI.jpg)
Elements of 6th, 10th, 48th Bengal Native Infantry from Futteghar and Allahabad
This unit is only about 240 men so is represented by one normal stand plus a detachment armed with rifled muskets
(https://i.imgur.com/ccNDnZa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9FcaAsY.jpg)
12th Bengal Native Infantry One wing, from Nowong
This unit is only about 240 men so is represented by one normal stand plus a detachment
(https://i.imgur.com/shabFao.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tBjGNqY.jpg)
HM & Company Artillery(https://i.imgur.com/rVul5Dy.jpg)
Capt Wm. Olpherts | Capt. Francis Maude | Maj. Vincent Eyre |
No. 2 Coy/3rd Bn., No. 12 Light Field Bty, | No. 3 Coy/8th Bn., | No. 1 Coy/5th Bn., No. 3 Heavy Field Bty, |
Bengal Artillery | Royal Artillery | Bengal Artillery |
5 x 9-pdrs, 1 x 24-pdr howitzer | 5 x 9-pdrs, 1 x 24-pdr howitzer | 4 x 24-pdrs, 2 x 8-inch howitzers |
(https://i.imgur.com/QPOYVBd.jpg)
Indian Artillery(https://i.imgur.com/zXOUGkJ.jpg)
No 1. Field Bty, Oude Irregular Artillery | No. 18 Light Field Battery, Bengal Artillery | Remaining guns |
9-pdrs | 9-pdrs | 2 x 6-pdrs, 1 x 12-pdr, 1 x 24-pdr heavy gun, |
| from Nowong | 1 x 10-in mortar, 1 x 5.5 in. brass mortar |
(https://i.imgur.com/K6RIEON.jpg)
Painted & Based395 | Foot |
59 | Mounted |
6 | Models |
460 | Total |
A while ago Fred made this comment
Quote...
I feel that a lot of thought has gone into the figure composition of these, as well as the research into units and the painting.
...
I was reminded of this while painting the above as there are a couple of good examples of how, sometimes, history helps with the figure composition and painting.
The elements of 6
th, 10
th, 48
th Bengal Native Infantry is an interesting small composite unit. The 48
th Bengal Native Infantry was one of 15 BNI units that had attached rifle companies and this unit included two companies from the 48
th. This gave me the excuse to give the Indians a detachment armed with rifled muskets. But they would need to stand out on table as a unique unit. British tradition assisted, the BNI rifle companies wore green, so...
(https://i.imgur.com/9FcaAsY.jpg)
The second example was the Ferozepore Regiment, a Sikh regiment with a European commanding officer, Captain Jeremiah Brasyer.
Pack MUB3 Sikh Infantry would work well for the troops but the officer figure was also Sikh. The pose of the officer from MUB2 Infantry in Campaign dress, even with the pistol removed and the arm bent down didn't fit well with the Sikh Infantry poses. The pose of the officer from MUB1 Infantry in Home Service dress would probably work but the home service dress would be in marked contrast to the Sikh's in native dress.
I did a bit more research on Captain Jeremiah Brasyer and stumbled on this photograph of him as a Lt Colonel in 1858, still of the 14th Sikhs, Ferozepore Regiment. The Sikh officer figure would work :) | (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-9s1S8UwAASoyI?format=jpg&name=medium) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-9s1S8UwAASoyI?format=jpg&name=medium) |
(https://i.imgur.com/XjkvGey.jpg)
Outstanding as usual Paul :-bd
Must remember to avoid standing any decent units in front of those British 3-7 Fld batteries, they're pretty powerful in V&B terms.
Interesting that one of the units you depict is the 14th Sikhs, the Ferozepore Regiment. That Regiment fought at Chunuk Bair on Gallipoli in August 1915 (with 3 Ghurka battalions) as part of the 29th Indian Infantry Brigade alongside Lt Col Malone and the Wellington Battalion amongst other NZ troops.....hmmm :-\
Lovely work as always Paul and nicely taken photos really show them in their best light 8) .
Great work,love thecolonel too!
QuoteOutstanding as usual Paul :-bd
Must remember to avoid standing any decent units in front of those British 3-7 Fld batteries, they're pretty powerful in V&B terms.
Interesting that one of the units you depict is the 14th Sikhs, the Ferozepore Regiment. That Regiment fought at Chunuk Bair on Gallipoli in August 1915 (with 3 Ghurka battalions) as part of the 29th Indian Infantry Brigade alongside Lt Col Malone and the Wellington Battalion amongst other NZ troops.....hmmm :-\
ME23 Indian foot in turban
(https://39.cdn.ekm.net/ekmps/shops/89204c/images/-n-ME23-n-Indian-foot-in-turban-3098-p.jpg?v=129e769d-d879-49da-8b8b-95a29a1eb609)
BP17 Indian Infantry, also BP18 Lewis BP19 Vickers
(https://39.cdn.ekm.net/ekmps/shops/89204c/images/-n-bp17-n-indian-infantry-2891-1-p.jpg?v=8F245050-496C-4058-AC7D-40099078F63E)
Another set of great looking units!
I've been making slow progress on the current batch, a large number of Indian cavalry and some bullock carts
I'm trying a slightly different approach, painting all the items of a particular colour
I've done red which includes headgear, sashes, trousers, and quarters or halves of saddle clothes depending on the unit
I've started on yellow ochre which includes breeches, tack, and quarters or halves of saddle clothes depending on the unit
I'm not sure yet whether this is a better approach than my normal, paint all the trousers, then head gear...
Made some more progress on the yellow ochre, tack and parts of saddle blankets on two regiments of Oudh Irregular Cavalry :)
Made more progress today :)
I've moved back to my usual approach of painting particular parts of the figures and it works better for me
I've base coated all the trousers/breaches :)
Base coated all the headgear :)
Some headgear still needs a second colour added or dry brushing
Trousers dry brushed :)
Some headgear dry brushed :)
Picking up some paint and new brushed at our game tonight
Mrs Pierre the Shy kindly picked them up from our Friendly Local Gaming Store, over an hour drive away, as she was up that way yesterday =D> =D> =D>
Brushes and paint successfully collected last night :)
Although I did nearly leave them at ours hosts #-o
Unfortunately, the day has dawned fine and sunny, so I have no excuses not to tackle my overgrown lawns today :-[
Painting should resume this evening
Lawns beaten into something resembling submission #:-S
You don't really notice how worn your brushes are getting until you get some new ones ;)
Headgear finished :)
Saddle blankets for two units finished :)
Boots, scabbards, belts done for two units :)
Boots, scabbards, belts done for two more units :)
Labeled bases for four units :)
Finished painting more bases for this batch plus some extras ready for the next batch :)
Started painting the last bases for this batch plus some extras ready for the future batches :)
As I've mentioned I put bases on old Humbrol paint tins so I can paint the edges at the same time as a side. I make sure I use all available tins for each batch of bases
Boots, scabbards, belts done the rest of this batch :)
Magnetic vinyl glued to more bases for this batch plus some extras ready for the next batch :)
Finished painting the last bases for this batch plus some extras ready for the future batches :)
Sashes, saddle blankets and tack done on the Nowabie Horse
Weapons done :)
Made a good start on manes and hooves :)
Finished manes and hooves :)
Last bases for this batch labeled :)
Stars, blazes, snips and socks done :)
Skin and hair done :)
Skin highlights to do and this batch will be ready to touch up :!!
Skin highlights and touch ups done :) :)
Curious, Paul, do use a particular brand or style of brush? Typically what sizes do you use?
Our friendly local gaming store stocks Army Painter brushes and I mainly use their Detail and Insane Detail brushes
I think they are equivalent to 0 and 000 in more usual sizing
Current batch washed this morning :)
Next batch, some Badmash & levies, prepared and washed :)
Started painting the next batch of bases :)
Weather has warmed up enough for me to start varnishing all the stuff already painted :)
Finished painting the next batch of bases :)
Spray varnished the based figures :)
Some labels and flags will need a coat of brush on varnish
Final dry brush done on the current batch :)
Glad to see you ploughing on Paul. Painting cum motivation very hard to find here at present due to real life intrusions.
I find painting almost meditative and a useful distraction from real life
I'm fortunate that currently my real-life intrusions are less intrusive than many others
Figure bases painted on the current batch, two coats :)
The next batch are waiting for that to dry so they can get on the rods and be undercoated :-w
Spray varnished the terrain that needed it :)
Brush on varnish done on labels and flags that needed it :)
QuoteI find painting almost meditative and a useful distraction from real life
Me too. When things are at a fairly steady state. But like Steve if general life gets a bit much, it is hard to get started with painting. But when ever I do its a good thing
Current batch sorted ready for basing :)
Next batch undercoated :)
Looking carefully at the next batch I have a question about two of the poses of MUT5 Civilian insurgents / Badmash
(https://39.cdn.ekm.net/ekmps/shops/89204c/images/-n-MUT5-n-Civilian-insurgents-Badmash-2704-p.jpg?v=129e769d-d879-49da-8b8b-95a29a1eb609)
Are the left and central figures wearing shirts or do they have bare torsos & arms :-\
The right figure is clearly wearing a shirt but all three have bare feet
I'd say bare chested
yeah, me too.
Bare chest, bare chest, shirt.
But, in 10mm I find it's simple enough to paint a shirt where none was sculpted.
Sometimes it's also possible to paint a bare chest where a sculpted shirt is sufficiently form-fitting.
Details like rolled-up sleeves can be disguised as a bangle.
A lack of muscle definition; well, I look sadly in a mirror ...
Thanks all, bare chested makes sense given the economic status of the Badmash and Levies :)
Magnetic vinyl glued on next batch of bases last night :)
Next batch shirts base coated, for those that have them :)
Bases for the next batch labeled :)
About two thirds of the current batch based :)
I underestimated the amount of basing mixture I needed :(
I'll mix up another batch after lunch
Painting & basing is not a bad way to spend the Labour Day holiday ;)
Really should mow the lawns later this afternoon
Remainder of the current batch based :)
Flock touched up :)
Flags added and edged :)
I've been making steady progress on the next batch, details done & skin base coated :) :)
I also took some pictures during my lunch break while working from home
13th Bengal Irregular Cavalry, from Azimghur
(https://i.imgur.com/iYbTW4u.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/E52nQhk.jpg)
14th Bengal Irregular Cavalry, one squadron from Nowong & Bengal Irregular Cavalry Brigade commander
(https://i.imgur.com/GY94qz2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VaGGDSU.jpg)
1st Oudh Irregular Cavalry, of Lucknow & Oudh Irregular Cavalry Brigade commander
(https://i.imgur.com/SrqN1u7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VvB1H8P.jpg)
3rd Oudh Irregular Cavalry, of Lucknow
(https://i.imgur.com/wENY9Qt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/V1Jx1mR.jpg)
A 'brigade' of two regiments of Nowabie Cavalry including their leader
These units are on deeper bases as they are non-drilled
(https://i.imgur.com/zx3WSSR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HzPp69R.jpg)
3 Bullock carts, a cart as a barricade & a pair of spare Bullocks
Some baggage to be protected in some scenarios
(https://i.imgur.com/UxolFzV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Qv1Mfxn.jpg)
Painted & Based395 | Foot |
128 | Mounted |
18 | Models |
541 | Total |
Love how weathered they look, superb work. 8)
These look great Paul
very nice as usual :-bd
Look forward to seeing these guys on the table in due course.
Quote13th Bengal Irregular Cavalry, from Azimghur
(https://i.imgur.com/iYbTW4u.jpg)
Very impressive. How is the terrain on the bases done?
:-bd
काफी बढ़िया
You continue to do 10mm honour, sir!
I use a mix of wall filler (spackle), paint and PVA
I coat the top of the figure bases with PVA then spread the basing mixture over the base
The figures are placed into the mixture, it is then smoothed over the edges of the figure base
The base is then dipped into the flock mixture, in this case mainly desert sand with several different grades of ballast as stones
Once fully dry I usually need to touch up the flock in a few places using PVA
Quote:-bd
काफी बढ़िया
You continue to do 10mm honour, sir!
धन्यवाद
I've finished painting and touch ups on the now current batch :) :)
Progress is much faster on a smallish batch of foot ;)
Prepared and washed the next batch, more Badmash and Levies :)
Washed the current batch this morning :)
Final dry brush and first coat on the figure bases done this evening :) :)
Second coat on the figure bases done last night :)
Current batch sorted ready for basing :)
Next batch on the painting rods, waiting for the weather to improve so they can be undercoated :-w
Finished painting bases for the next batch, including a few spares :)
Glued magnetic vinyl to the bases for the next batch last night :)
Labeled the bases for the next batch this morning :)
Based the current batch :)
Waiting for the wind to drop and things to dry out a bit before I undercoat the next batch :-w
Wind has dropped & its sunny, next batch undercoated :)
Cracking work on the cavalry Paul 8) .
Flock touched up :)
I may get some jackets base coated on the next batch tonight, if I can gather the enthusiasm :!!
Didn't gather sufficient enthusiasm last night :(
Managed to get jackets base coated and dry brushed today :) :)
Also took some picces of the last batch as it was sunny this afternoon
Badmash - great mob of zemindars, &c, of neighboring districts, who came well-armed to assist the Nana
Two units of non-drilled Badmash and their leader
(https://i.imgur.com/oSzGfJ9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8UxWMqW.jpg)
Badmash & Levies from Cawnpore
A unit of non-drilled Badmash & a unit of Levies
(https://i.imgur.com/7M6zMuE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WfnKVgt.jpg)
Painted & Based457 | Foot |
128 | Mounted |
18 | Models |
603 | Total |
Blimey those 6-5 Badmash units are pretty strong in V&B terms, even if only partially trained!
These look good (again)!
Which pack are the officer figures from, I don't recognise those, but have most of the others you have on these bases?
Very effective
QuoteThese look good (again)!
Which pack are the officer figures from, I don't recognise those, but have most of the others you have on these bases?
MUT8 Feudal command
Leon kindly provided them without the standard bearers, working out appropriate standards was going to be difficult & fraught with peril
Made good progress on the current batch
Trousers base coated & dry brushed :) :)
Headgear done :)
Sheilds base coated :)
Shoes, musket stocks, sashes done :)
Good progress yesterday:
- Musket barrels & swords :)
- Scabbards :)
- 'Trumpets', shield trim and other 'bronze' :)
- Skin base coated :)
Hair done :)
Skin highlights done :)
Touch ups done :)
Next batch of figures prepared and washed :)
Started painting the bases for the next batch :)
"Paul's production line, how can we help you?" ;)
Current batch washed this morning :)
Finished painting the bases for the next batch :)
Next batch of figures sorted ready for the painting rods :-w
Current batch, final dry brush and 2 coats on the figure bases done this evening :) :)
Magnetic vinyl glued to the bases for the next batch :)
Current batch sorted ready for basing :)
Next batch undercoated :)
Current batch based :)
Those Badmash are lovely! Stellar work as usual Paul
Flock touched up on the current batch :)
'Jackets' base coated and highlighted on the next batch :)
'Trousers' base coated and highlighted on the next batch :)
Made some progress yesterday despite three very enjoyable distractions :)
- Shoes done
- Musket stocks done
- Steel done
- Most of the sashes and headgear done
Distractions:
- a couple of hours chatting virtually with a couple of forum members
- a couple of hours listening to a jazz trio at a local cafe
- a very interesting FK&P Celtic fringe game in the evening
Rest of the sashes and headgear done :)
Other details done :)
Skin base coated :)
Hair done & skin highlighted :) :)
Touch ups done :)
Next batch prepared and washed :)
Current batch washed this evening :)
Final dry brush & two coats on the figure bases this morning on the current batch :) :)
Current batch sorted ready for basing this afternoon :)
Next batch undercoated :)
Quote...
Current batch sorted ready for basing this afternoon :)
...
To clarify, the above should have read
This afternoon the current batch were sorted ready for basing :)
Piccies are still some way away ;)
Basing the new Indians.
'Jackets', 'trousers' and head gear done on the next batch :) :) :)
Quote from: paulr on 16 November 2022, 06:47:42 PMTo clarify, the above should have read
This afternoon the current batch were sorted ready for basing :)
Piccies are still some way away ;)
Oh no! I have been worrying about that all day :o
;D ;D ;D
More progress on the next batch:
- Wood done :)
- Boots, shoes, scabbards & cartridge boxes done :)
- Belts and poches done :)
- Drums started :)
- Facings done :)
- Bases painted :)
Finished painting the next batch, including touch ups :)
Wash & figure bases to do once fully dry :-w
Magnetic vinyl glued to bases :)
Next batch washed last night :)
Bases for next and next next batch labeled :) :)
Next batch final dry brush & figure bases done today :) :)
Started preparing the next next batch :)
Finished preparing the next next batch :)
Next batch sorted ready for basing :)
Next next batch undercoated :)
Started painting more bases :)
Next labels already in the car for delivery on Saturday O:-)
#:-S ;)
Good progress on the next next batch:
- Jackets/shirts base coated and dry brushed :)
- 'Trousers' base coated and dry brushed :)
- Headgear base coated and dry brushed :)
Musket stocks done :)
Belts done :)
Cartridge cases base coated :)
Shoes, boots & scabbards done :)
Next batch based :)
Some of the current batch based :)
The rest of the current batch labeled and based :) :)
Flock touched up on the next batch and the some of the current batch :) :)
Flags added & edges touched up on the next batch :)
Flock touched up on the rest of the current batch :)
Bases for the following couple of batches labeled :)
Back to painting the next next batch, details finished, skin base coated :) :)
Next next batch painting, including touch ups done :)
The following batch prepared and washed :)
There were quite a few based units backed up and the weather cleared briefly between heavy showers so...
Three 'Nowabie regiments' from Cawnpore
The Nana Sahib's personal retinue; three non-drilled regiments of matchlockmen, two detachments of matchlockmen and their leader
(https://i.imgur.com/u22ZdRe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/empM3MZ.jpg)
Indian civilians
(https://i.imgur.com/0T7gVgA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qEZWyTn.jpg)
British Civilians
(https://i.imgur.com/WNELkCD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MiO1wrQ.jpg)
HM 5th Northumberland Fusiliers
(https://i.imgur.com/Hx8KK8I.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fVQG2I8.jpg)
And as detachments
(https://i.imgur.com/25W5hu9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JSpfqZj.jpg)
2nd Oude Irregular Infantry
Part of the Oude Irregular Force raised in 1856, mainly from former members of the King of Oude's army. The Force mutinied comprehensively
(https://i.imgur.com/WG0eiE9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/B7vO2nJ.jpg)
Detachments and optional Unit commander
(https://i.imgur.com/8hEyJFj.jpg)
Painted & Based690 | Foot |
130 | Mounted |
18 | Models |
838 | Total |
Fantastic work as always! =D>
Another great set of units
I feel I have asked about the different sized bases already- so feel free to point me at an earlier response!
Great stuff Paul, they all look very good indeed.
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I feel I have asked about the different sized bases already- so feel free to point me at an earlier response!
Easier to answer it again than hunt out the earlier answer
3"x3" are non-drilled troops - move slightly faster, don't fight quite as well in some circumstances - troops that don't have sergeants/havildars shouting at them
3"x1.5" are drilled troops - the majority of troops in this period
1.5"x1.5" are detachments - small ~80 men units with specific weapons e.g. rifled muskets, or tasks e.g. occupying a hamlet or skirmishing (when they are placed on 3"x1.5" skirmishing sabots)
Wonderful work and thanks for explaining what the different base sizes refer to.
Thanks Paul, the bases sizes are a bit bigger than I had thought, the 3x3" will be quite imposing on the table!
The now current batch has been sorted ready for basing :)
The next batch has been undercoated :)
More bases have been painted :)
Last batch look great
Current batch based :)
Horses of the next batch base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Flock touched up, flags added & edged on current batch :) :)
Jackets, shirts, trousers & hats base coated and dry brushed on one regiment of the next batch :) :) :)
Jackets & shirts base coated and dry brushed on the other regiment of the next batch :)
HM 90th Perthshire Volunteers
Seven companies arrived late in the campaign, 15 September, making them the largest battalion in Havelock's force.
(https://i.imgur.com/9w515xN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0xbCECc.jpg)
And as detachments. They had been issued with rifled muskets on the way up to Allahabad and so all are able to skirmish
(https://i.imgur.com/G51lVAS.jpg)
5th Oude Irregular Infantry
(https://i.imgur.com/KhM9Vci.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XJJ1VUQ.jpg)
Detachments and optional Unit commander
(https://i.imgur.com/DrlBuDz.jpg)
Painted & Based801 | Foot |
130 | Mounted |
18 | Models |
949 | Total |
Excellent stuff!
Lots of progress, especially as you seem to be doing each unit twice, with full sized bases and detachment bases
The full massed effect is going to be a hard one to beat when it comes to the next painting competition.
Piping, saddle blankets and rolls done on one regiment :) :)
Trousers and head gear base coated and dry brushed on the other regiment :)
Collars, cuffs and trouser welt done on the other regiment :)
Very effective work on the Pembrokes
Cartridge boxes base coated and dry brushed :)
Boots done :)
Saddle blankets, rolls, bags done :)
Tack done :)
Lance shafts done :)
Musket stocks done :)
Musket barrels, swords, scabbards, lance points done :)
Belts done :)
Manes, tails, hooves, socks, stars, snips, blazes done :)
Brass done :)
Steel highlighted :)
Skin base coated :)
Beards, moustaches & sideburns done :)
Skin highlighted :)
Varnishing marathon done on about half the project that hadn't been varnished #:-S
Next batch prepared and washed :)
Touch ups done :)
Next batch undercoated :)
Current batch washed last night :)
Final dry brush and two coats on the figure bases done this morning before it got too hot to paint :) :) #:-S
Horses base coated for the next batch late last night :)
Horses dry brushed this morning before it gets too hot to paint :)
Last night once it had cooled down:
- Jackets base coated and dry brushed :)
- Headgear base coated :)
- Sashes done :)
- Saddle blankets started :)
So far this morning:
- Headgear dry brushed :)
- Breeches done :)
Hopefully the rain or showers forecast for today will cool things off enough to allow painting to continue
Good progress today
Boots, belts and scabbards done :)
Manes, tails, hooves, socks, blazes, stars and snips done :)
Tack done :)
Weapons base coated and highlighted :)
Various details done :)
Skin base coated :)
Hair, beards & moustaches done :)
Skin highlighted :)
Touch ups done :)
The current batch was washed yesterday morning :)
Final dry brush and two coats on the figure bases done last night :) :)
This morning I based the last two batches :) :) #:-S
I also flocked some more skirmisher sabots and sorted out some firing markers ready to paint :)
Painted firing markers :)
Sorted & started painting the next batch of firing markers :)
Prepared some smoke for the firing markers :)
Touched up flock on troops :)
Flocked first couple of batches of firing markers :)
Flags & pennants added, edges done :)
Glued smoke to first batch of firing markers :)
Painting last of the markers :) :!!
Progress continues on firing and march markers :)
Firing and march markers done :)
Apart from some tidying up once glue fully dry :-w
The weather still hasn't cooperated enough for varnishing :(
But it did cooperate enough for pictures :)
HM 9th Lancers, 2 x squadrons, Major Henry Ouvry
(https://i.imgur.com/fdGQwVF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/V04cr9Q.jpg)
2nd Battalion, Military Train, 2 x squadrons, Major James Robertson
This was a logistic unit diverted to India from the aborted China Expedition. As the unit contained many former cavalrymen, at a time when mounted troops were in critically short supply, it was re-roled as an ad hoc cavalry unit of two squadrons, using horses stripped out of the 8th Madras Cavalry
(https://i.imgur.com/fED8nkM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VbOR99f.jpg)
1st & 2nd Punjaub Cavalry, 1 squadron of loyal Sikhs from each regiment
Lieutenant John Watson (1st Punjaub Cavalry), as senior Lieutenant, commanded the 3 Punjab squadrons and the squadron of Hodson's Horse
(https://i.imgur.com/7DvgWqb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1I0GMq8.jpg)
5th Punjaub Cavalry, Hodson's Horse & Brigade Commander, 1 squadron of loyal Sikhs from each regiment
Hodson's Horse was a hastily raised Sikh irregular cavlry unit that grew to three regiments
(https://i.imgur.com/Uxj9hbz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/jXfyLZF.jpg)
The Cavalry Brigade was commanded by Brigadier Archibald Little, HM 9th Lancers
The brigade was part of General Sir Colin Campbell's second relief of Lucknow in November 1857
Including it provides Brigadier General Henry Havelock's force with the option of a reasonable cavalry component in contrast to the small number of volunteers and some loyal sowars of the 12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry actually available
Painted & Based837 | Foot |
183 | Mounted |
18 | Models |
1,038 | Total |
And that completes the painting for this project
Excellent :-bd
beautiful work. :-bd
The Punjab Cavalry look really great to me and the rest is not too shabby either 8) .
Quote... the rest is not too shabby either 8) .
I should hope so, the 9
th Lancers were well known for the maintenance of strict standards of dress, they have even blancoed their belts ;)
The weather has cooperated enough for varnishing :)
In fact, I made a point of varnishing reasonably early because its forecast to be 28° C (72° F) this afternoon
I hope forum members, and others, in North America are managing to keep safe and warm
Spent a very pleasant 3 hours playing a solo game with some of the troops from this project :) :) :D
AAR with piccies to follow ;)
I've played a couple more test games and am pleased with how the rules variant is playing after a couple of minor tweaks :) #:-S
I've piccies for two of the games so really should do some AARs :!!
The third game was a rather contrived test of defending a village against long range fire to try and break the variation. They stood up well and it ended in an incredibly tight finish :-SS #:-S
Army reviewed by Nana Sahib at Cawnpore, India 28 June 1857
(https://i.imgur.com/tDff9qx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8bepFp4.jpg)
Front to rear
Bengal Light Cavalry Brigade - 2
nd & 7
th Bengal Light Cavalry
Bengal Irregular Cavalry Brigade - 13
th & 14
th Bengal Irregular Cavalry from Azimghur & Nowong
Badmash, part of the great mob of zemindars and newly raised levies of neighbouring districts, who came well-armed to assist the Nana
(https://i.imgur.com/N9mcAkg.jpg)
1
st Bengal Infantry Brigade, front to rear
1
st Bengal Native Infantry, of Cawnpore
53
rd Bengal Native Infantry, of Cawnpore
56
th Bengal Native Infantry, of Cawnpore
Flanked by No. 18 Light Field Battery from Nowong and the 'remaining guns'
Nana Sahib, centre right
(https://i.imgur.com/F8leakj.jpg)
2
nd Bengal Infantry Brigade and Oudh Infantry Brigade, front to rear
17th Bengal Native Infantry, from Azimghur | 2nd Oude Irregular Infantry |
Elements of 6th, 10th, 48th Bengal Native Infantry | 5th Oude Irregular Infantry |
& a wing of 12th Bengal Native Infantry, from Nowong | |
Civilians | Bullock carts |
Flanked by No. 18 Light Field Battery from Nowong and No 1. Field Bty, Oude Irregular Artillery
(https://i.imgur.com/q2m1AY6.jpg)
Front to rear
Oudh Irregular Cavalry Brigade - 1
st & 2
nd Oudh Irregular Cavalry, of Lucknow
Nowabie Foot Nowabie Horse
Two half-regiments of newly raised levies from Cawnpore
Badmash, part of the great mob of zemindars of neighbouring districts, who came well-armed to assist the Nana
Reinforced Oude Field Force
First Relief of Lucknow, 25 September 1857
(https://i.imgur.com/kG6L1cQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IoHy8Od.jpg)
Allahabad Volunteer Cavalry - Capt. Lousada. Barrow, 5
th Madras Light Cavalry – 109 men
12
th Bengal Irregular Cavalry - A/Capt. Wm. Johnson, 6
th BNI. (Mostly Sikhs) – 59 men
Maude's Battery, No. 3 Coy/8
th Bn., RA - Capt. Francis Maude
(https://i.imgur.com/8zdF0Di.jpg)
Maude's Battery, No. 3 Coy/8
th Bn., RA - Capt. Francis Maude
1
st Infantry Brigade - Brig. James Neill, 1
st Madras Fusiliers
HM 5th (Northumberland Fusiliers) Regiment | HM 84th (York & Lancaster) Regiment |
- Maj. James Simmons - 420 men (Nos 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, & 10 Coys) | - Capt. Frederic Willis - 190+227 men (With 2 x coys HM 64th under command) |
1st Madras Fusiliers ('Neill's Bluecaps') | HM 64th (2nd Staffordshire) Regiment |
- Maj. John Stephenson – 376 men | - Maj. Thomas Stirling - 435 men [reinforcement] |
Olpherts' Battery, No. 2 Coy/3rd Bn. with No. 12 Light Field Battery, Bengal Artillery. - Capt Wm. Olpherts
Brig. (Maj.) George Cooper - Artillery Commander
Brig. Gen. Henry Havelock - Oude Field Force Commander
(https://i.imgur.com/5PSKgbS.jpg)
Olpherts' Battery, No. 2 Coy/3rd Bn. with No. 12 Light Field Battery, Bengal Artillery. - Capt Wm. Olpherts
Brig. (Maj.) George Cooper - Artillery Commander
Brig. Gen. Henry Havelock - Oude Field Force Commander
Civilians
2
nd Infantry Brigade - Col. Walter Hamilton, 78th Highlanders
HM 78
th Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs) - Lt-Col. Henry Stisted - 26 & 523 men
HM 90
th (Perthshire Volunteers) (Light Infantry) - 7 x coys. - Col. Robert Campbell CB - 28 & 646 men
Ferozepore Regiment (Brasyer's Sikhs) - Capt. Jeremiah Brasyer - 341 men
Eyre's Battery, No. 3 Heavy Field Battery, (No. 1 Coy/5
th Bn.), Bengal Artillery - Maj. Vincent Eyre
(https://i.imgur.com/SORpJjy.jpg)
Eyre's Battery, No. 3 Heavy Field Battery, (No. 1 Coy/5
th Bn.), Bengal Artillery - Maj. Vincent Eyre
Cavalry Brigade [reinforcement] - Brig. Archibald Little, HM 9
th Lancers
2
nd Bn. Military Train - Maj. James Robertson - 2 x sqns. – 200 men HM 9
th Lancers - Maj. Henry Ouvry - 2 x sqns. – 200 men, estimate
1
st Punjaub Cavalry - Lt. John Watson - 1 x sqn. (Commands Punjaubs & Hodson's Horse)
Note: the aggregated strength of the three Punjuab Cavalry regiments was about 300 men
2
nd Punjaub Cavalry - Lt. Dighton Probyn - 1 x sqn.
5
th Punjaub Cavalry - Lt. George Younghusband, 13
th BNI. - 1 x sqn.
Hodson's Horse - Lt. Hugh Gough – 160 men
VERY nice work !! :-bd
Great looking bases! I have two kinds of grass flock and one snow flock. Is there sand flock or how do you do the bases?
What a superb Durbar there Paul 8) .
Truly great pair of armies there for the table. Presumably the model of the residency is in hand.
But who will be comfortable taking the side of the exploitative colonial oppressors ruthlessly thwarting the just actions of the freedom loving independence fighters? :d :d
Fantastic work Paul!
Cool as
Quote from: DecemDave on 10 March 2023, 11:25:36 AMTruly great pair of armies there for the table. Presumably the model of the residency is in hand.
But who will be comfortable taking the side of the exploitative colonial oppressors ruthlessly thwarting the just actions of the freedom loving independence fighters? :d :d
We have recently played one "actual" game with these guys using Paul's V&B wing scale rule adaptation.
Fantastic game both visually and playing wise. A couple of us played the Indians while Paul ran most of the EIC troops.
In the end the drilled EIC troops, most with rifled muskets, inflicted a lot of casualties on the more numerous but overall less formally organised Indian foot. However the EIC cavalry was put under severe pressure by the Indian cavalry and we concluded that both sides would probably withdraw to regroup. Neither sides still intact brigades could take much more before reaching their respective army collapse levels.
A good days gaming.
Very impressive to see them all shoulder to shoulder, stirrup to stirrup in review, Paul. The Punjabi horse particularly standout (I think that's who they are). What little I know of the events is from the memoirs of one Sir Harry Flashman, VC, a decidedly partisan account. Glad that they have now been exercised and thanks for that account, Peter.
QuoteGreat looking bases! I have two kinds of grass flock and one snow flock. Is there sand flock or how do you do the bases?
I paint the bases and figure bases using an appropriately coloured paint from the local DIY store. Then use a mix of filler (spackle), paint and PVA (white glue) to make a paste and coat the base. The figure bases are covered in PVA before they are placed in the paste on the base. The paste is then blended with the figure bases. Finally, the base is dipped in a mix of sand flocks.
After leaving them to dry, at least overnight, I use PVA and flock to touch up any small areas that need it.
QuoteTruly great pair of armies there for the table. Presumably the model of the residency is in hand.
But who will be comfortable taking the side of the exploitative colonial oppressors ruthlessly thwarting the just actions of the freedom loving independence fighters? :d :d
I haven't started on the Residency or the rest of Lucknow yet X_X
Unfortunately, there were more than enough atrocities on all sides of this conflict