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Title: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 05 July 2022, 01:01:31 AM
As some of you will have worked out from my recent questions on the forum and the title of this thread my next project is the Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence.

Leon has priced up my order and I even managed to order two codes as standard packs out of 36 different 'codes'.

I will be using a wing scale variant of Volley & Bayonet with most battalions being two stands of 12 figures each in reasonably open order on 3"x1.5" bases.

I've focused on July - September 1857 and the lead up to the first relief of Lucknow. This gives me a dozen historic battles to refight.

The Company forces are based around Brig-Gen. Henry Havelock's Allahabad Moveable Column and later Oude Field Force. I've also added the cavalry brigade from the second relief of Lucknow. The 109 Allahabad Volunteer Cavalry and 59 mostly Sikhs from the 12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry didn't really provide much of a cavalry arm.

The Indian forces are based on the units said to have been reviewed by Nana Sahib, Peshwa of the Maratha empire, at Cawnpore on 28 June 1857. Bengal Native Infantry, Light Cavalry and Irregular Cavalry, Oudh Irregular Infantry and Cavalry, 'Nowabie regiments', levies, and a great mob of zemindars and badmash.

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Antioch on 05 July 2022, 06:20:00 AM
What a great period...   Looking forward to seeing your work.

Bob
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 05 July 2022, 06:52:24 AM
Really looking forward to seeing your work on this Paul :) .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: FierceKitty on 05 July 2022, 08:33:54 AM
Quote from: Steve J on 05 July 2022, 06:52:24 AMReally looking forward to seeing your work on this Paul :) .

How many Pauls are there?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 05 July 2022, 09:08:19 AM
=D> looking forward to seeing this one progres
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Ithoriel on 05 July 2022, 10:00:25 AM

QuoteHow many Pauls are there?

Worldwide? No idea. In New Zealand? Again, no idea.

However, in Sweden ....

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First name
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2 women have Paul as a first name normally used
A total of 20 women have Paul as a first name

Last name
288 persons have Paul as last name

Did you know that the average age for the name Paul is 52.9 years amongst men
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: FierceKitty on 05 July 2022, 10:50:45 AM
Let us hope this Paul shakes off the load of averages.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 05 July 2022, 12:52:41 PM
Nice! I don;t suppose you'd be kind enough to post which figures you're using for which units etc?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 06 July 2022, 08:28:13 AM
HM & Company Commanders
MUB21    Mounted officers (5)
MUB22    Sir Colin Campbell
MUB23    Sir Henry Havelock
MUB7    Lancers Officer
MUB9    Cavalry in tunic and pugree Officer
MUB11    Punjabi cavalry Officer

HM & Company Cavalry
Allahabad Volunteer Cavalry. Capt. Lousada. Barrow, 5th Madras Light Cavalry. (109).
MUB12    Gentleman Horse   
MUB8    Cavalry in shirt and cap
MUB9    Cavalry in tunic and pugree

12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry. A/Capt. Wm. Johnson, 6th BNI. Mostly Sikhs. (59).
MUT12    Bengal irregular cavalry   

HM 9th Lancers. Maj. Henry Ouvry. 2 x sqns. (200, estimate).
MUB7    Lancers

2nd Bn. Military Train. Maj. James Robertson. 2 x sqns. (200).
MUB8    Cavalry in shirt and cap
MUB9    Cavalry in tunic and pugree

1st Punjaub Cavalry. Lt. John Watson. 1 x sqn.
2nd Punjaub Cavalry. Lt. Dighton Probyn. 1 x sqn.
5th Punjaub Cavalry. Lt. George Younghusband, 13th BNI. 1 x sqn.
Hodson's Horse. Lt. Hugh Gough. (160).
MUB11    Punjabi cavalry   

HM & Company Infantry
HM 5th Regiment (Northumberland Fusiliers). Maj. James Simmons. Nos 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, & 10 Coys. (420).
HM 64th (2nd Staffordshire) Regiment.  Maj. Thomas Stirling. (435).
HM 84th (York & Lancaster) Regiment. (With 2 x coys HM 64th under command). Capt. Frederic Willis. [190+227]
1st Madras Fusiliers ('Neill's Bluecaps'). Maj. John Stephenson. [376]
HM 78th Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs). Lt-Col. Henry Stisted. (26 & 523).
HM 90th (Perthshire Volunteers) (Light Infantry). 7 x coys. Col. Robert Campbell CB. (28 & 646).
MUB2    Infantry in Campaign dress

The 78th Highlanders are sometimes depicted in kilts etc but first-hand accounts contradict this

Ferozepore Regiment (Brasyer's Sikhs). Capt. Jeremiah Brasyer. (341).
MUB3    Sikh Infantry

HM & Company Artillery
Maude's Battery, No. 3 Coy/8th Bn., RA. Capt. Francis Maude. Bullock-drawn field battery. 5 x 9-pdrs, 1 x 24-pdr howitzer.
Olpherts' Battery, No. 2 Coy/3rd Bn., with No. 12 Light Field Battery, Bengal Artillery. Capt Wm.
MUB14    9pdr guns with crew (3)

Eyre's Battery, No. 3 Heavy Field Battery, (No. 1 Coy/5th Bn.), Bengal Artillery. Maj. Vincent
MUB17    24pdr field guns with crew (3)

Indian Leaders
MUT9    Bengal light cavalry, Company dress Officer
MUT10    Bengal light cavalry, civilian dress Officer
MUT12    Bengal irregular cavalry Officer
MUT19    Mounted leader (5)
MUT20    Lakshmibal
MUT21    Tantia Tope

Nowabie, Badmash leaders
MUT8    Feudal command (15)

Indian Cavalry
2nd Bengal Light Cavalry (BLC) complete with elements of 1st BLC and 2 x tps 7th BLC
7th Bengal Light Cavalry (1 x sqn)
MUT9    Bengal light cavalry, Company dress
MUT10    Bengal light cavalry, civilian dress (some)

13th Bengal Irregular Cavalry (BIC), from Azimghur.
14th Bengal Irregular Cavalry (1 x sqn), from Nowong.
MUT12    Bengal irregular cavalry

1st Oudh Irregular Cavalry (OIC), of Lucknow
2nd Oudh Irregular Cavalry (OIC), of Lucknow
MUT12    Bengal irregular cavalry

Nowabie Horse
MUT10    Bengal light cavalry, civilian dress

Indian Infantry
1st Bengal Native Infantry (BNI), of Cawnpore
53rd Bengal Native Infantry (BNI), of Cawnpore
56th Bengal Native Infantry (BNI), of Cawnpore
17th Bengal Native Infantry (BNI), from Azimghur.   
12th Bengal Native Infantry (BNI) (wing), from Nowong.
Elements of 10th BNI from Futteghar. Elements of 6th BNI from Allahabad. Elms 48th BNI (2 x coys).
MUT1    Sepoys in Company dress [some spread across units]
MUT2    Sepoys in civilian dress
MUT4    Ex-Company command in civilian dress (15)

2nd Oude Irregular Infantry   
5th Oude Irregular Infantry   
MUT1    Sepoys in Company dress
MUT3    Ex-Company command in Company dress (15)
   
Three 'Nowabie regiments' from Cawnpore
MUT7    Barkandaze feudal matchlockmen
MUT8    Feudal command (15)

Two half-regiments of newly raised levies from Cawnpore
MUT5    Civilian insurgents / Badmash

Badmash -great mob of zemindars, &c, of neighboring districts, who came well-armed to assist the Nana.'
MUT5    Civilian insurgents / Badmash
MUT6    Ghazi Muslim fighters
MUT7    Barkandaze feudal matchlockmen
MUT8    Feudal command (15)

Indian Artillery
No 1. Field Bty, Oude Irregular Artillery (horse-drawn, 9-pdr equipped)
MUT14    9pdr guns with crew (3)

No. 18 Light Field Battery from Nowong.  (probably horse-drawn, 9-pdr equipped)
MUT15    12pdr Howitzers with crew (3)

Remaining guns: 2 x 6-pdrs, 1 x 12-pdr, 1 x 24-pdr heavy gun, 1 x 10-in mortar, 1 x 5.5 in. brass mortar
MUT17    24pdr field guns with crew (3)

Civilians
MUB20    Bullock carts (2)
MUT24    Indian civilians
MUB25    British Civilians

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 06 July 2022, 12:55:01 PM
Thanks Paul, that's awesome work. :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 07 July 2022, 09:38:36 AM
While I wait patiently for my order to get to the casting dwarfs and make its way to this side of the world I've got a three things to keep me busy on this project


I've decide to reuse my existing middle-eastern buildings for now rather than source entirely new buildings.

They are currently based on 3" squares for Spearhead and If the Lord Spares Us. This works well for Volley & Bayonet as 'towns' need a 3" square area for units to occupy on a 6"x4" town area. So I've built some 6"x4" sabots with slightly larger than 3" square holes.

I also need some 'villages' which are 3"x2" with an at least 1.5" square area that detachments can occupy. For these I've scratch built some simple buildings out of 2mm cardboard that are very similar to my smallest existing buildings. I've mounted these on one end of the 3"x2" 'village' base.

I've roughly textured them with some spare moulding paste and undercoated them black.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Chris Pringle on 07 July 2022, 01:35:31 PM
Nice project, Paul. Best of luck with it, and I look forward to seeing your armies in action!

I know you're happy with V&B, so this reply isn't aimed so much at you as at other potentially interested persons reading this thread (though there might be useful stuff in it for you too):

I hope forum members have enjoyed the occasional reports I've posted of BBB games set in India. If so, and if you fancy trying them yourself, I have good news for you – the scenarios are now available as part of a collection of sixteen covering the 2nd Maratha War, Sikh Wars and Indian Mutiny. See details on the BBBBlog here:
https://bloodybigbattles.blogspot.com/2022/07/newly-published-bloody-big-battles-in.html
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 07 July 2022, 08:38:44 PM
Thanks Chris, I'll have a look

As I've said before our group has reached 'peak rules', we use about a dozen different sets and so adding another set would be very difficult. One of the reasons I went with this project is that we can use the wing scale variant of Volley & Bayonet which we use for AWI with some weapons added

What I have read of BBB is very positive and if we had come across it decades ago when we were looking for a set of large scale Napoleonic rules we may have settled on them rather than V&B
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Chris Pringle on 07 July 2022, 11:42:02 PM
Similar story with us at OWS, I suppose, Paul - we're so invested in BBB (in terms of everyone knowing the rules, as much as of having all the armies and scenarios geared to it) that if a better set came along tomorrow it would still be hard to change. There's a lot to be said for just having a common workable ruleset that everyone is broadly happy with and familiar enough with that the rules don't get in the way of playing the game. And the nineteenth century offers such variety of wars and weapons that you can be using the same ruleset every week, yet playing very different games.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 08 July 2022, 05:41:14 AM
I've done a couple of heavy dry brushes on the simple buildings and painted in some wooden door jambs :)

I've also done a couple of coats of base colour on the underside of bases to hopefully limit warping :-SS

I will need a lot of walls (about 20' :o) and have some left over ice block sticks from my ECW hedges. I'll cut these down into a mixture of 3" and 4" lengths as bases. I'll use 2mm cardboard to make the walls and texture them with moulding paste.

I'm not sure how I'm going to handle the corners :-\

Most commercially cast walls I've seen use L shapes for the corners with each leg of the wall being reasonably long. I suspect trying to do this with ice block sticks and cardboard walls will not be strong enough.

The other three options I've thought of are:

Thoughts and suggestions welcome
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 08 July 2022, 07:08:30 AM
Corners for walls and hedges can be a pain - I've got L shaped corner sections for the hedges I have - but find they don't get used that much, as they often aren't the right length. 

I find I tend to do corners and junctions just by aligning the straight sections with each other. So I'd go for some variant of 3, either try the 45º option, or even just cut away the base totally at the ends. As long as the bases are similar to the ground colour, I don't think the gaps will be noticeable. 

Having some half-length sections will be useful too. 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 08 July 2022, 08:43:41 PM
Thanks Fred, I saw your response last night and got stuck into making some test wall sections

They are now made and ready to be textured with moulding paste :!!

I've done three coats of base colour on the tops of the 'village' bases :)

I've also mixed up a batch of my 'arid' flock :)

It's been a while since I did any modeling and I'm really enjoying getting back into it :)  :)  :)
Using only spare bits and pieces I already have is a nice bonus.
I claim I'm green and reusing. My daughter claims I'm just tight ;D
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 09 July 2022, 05:03:35 AM
'Village' bases flocked :)

Test walls textured, under coated black, two heavy dry brushes of off white, a dusty final dry brush and two coats of base colour on the bases :)  :)  :)

I'm reasonably happy with how they look, I need to decide if I flock the bases or leave them plain so they blend into the base cloth :-\

'Town' bases painted, I need to slot in the existing buildings and work out how to blend each one into the larger area
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 09 July 2022, 05:23:15 AM
A couple of grab shots of the test walls on my 'arid' base cloth with some WWI Kiwis for scale

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52202609627_77c73df492_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nwY28z)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52204117235_e1ff0882ce_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nx6KhP)

The wall is 12mm high and 115mm long

All feedback welcome
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 09 July 2022, 07:14:02 AM
Looking good
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Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 09 July 2022, 02:40:48 PM
Looking good
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Raider4 on 09 July 2022, 05:13:40 PM
:-bd
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 09 July 2022, 08:49:56 PM
Right then, only another 19 feet to make :!!
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Post by: paulr on 11 July 2022, 09:45:37 AM
I finished painting up the 'town' sabots yesterday and applied flock to the road/track areas tonight :)

I made good progress yesterday on about another 3 feet of walls, tonight they had moulding paste applied :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 12 July 2022, 07:58:22 AM
Applied main flock to 'town' sabots :)

Undercoat & first dry brush done on current batch of walls, should get the second dry brush done tonight :)  :!!

Next batch of walls cut out, glued up and ready for moulding paste :)  :!!

Double checked and each batch of walls is closer to 5 feet than 3  :)  #:-S
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 13 July 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Touched up main flock on 'town' sabots and added vegetation :) :)

Current batch of walls finished :)

Next batch of walls only needs second coat on bases and they are done :)  :!!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 14 July 2022, 08:26:27 PM
Tidied up vegetation on 'town' sabots and soaked with diluted PVA so these are finished :) :)

'Next' batch of walls finished :)

Two more batches of walls underway, the first is ready for black undercoat, the second is ready for moulding paste :)  :)

I need to start thinking about trees, several of the battles feature groves of trees. I will probably go with areas of felt with a few scatter trees.

Any suggestions on what types of trees there would have been near Lucknow and Cawnpore in 1857 and any good sources for suitable models (or suggestions for scratch building).
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 17 July 2022, 09:43:09 AM
The two batches of walls that were underway and now done :)  :)

Still pondering trees :-\
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 17 July 2022, 11:31:03 AM
Paul theres a whole website on this...
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/lucknow/flowering-trees-planted-in-lucknow/a
Quote from: paulr on 17 July 2022, 09:43:09 AMStill pondering trees :-\

Still pondering trees :-\
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Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fsn on 17 July 2022, 12:37:50 PM
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/flowering-trees-planted-in-lucknow/articleshow/48651690.cms (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/lucknow/flowering-trees-planted-in-lucknow/articleshow/48651690.cms)

Ya missed a bit, Speedy.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 17 July 2022, 12:40:15 PM
Ta Nobby
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 17 July 2022, 12:43:08 PM
https://outreachecology.com/landmark/category/geography/uttar-pradesh/lucknow/
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 18 July 2022, 06:44:08 AM
Thanks Gents, I might have to consider buying some trees :o

Any suggestions for reliable sources...
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 18 July 2022, 02:55:16 PM
The Model Tree Shop is where I've been getting mine for at least ten years.  Very helpful, lots of choices and good prices.  They are closed for their summer break until 1 August.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Ithoriel on 18 July 2022, 04:39:37 PM
I buy my trees on EBay from one of several Chinese companies that do bags of trees for model railways at very reasonable prices.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 19 July 2022, 06:06:40 AM
Thanks Gents

Started work on the next batch of walls gluing finished, nearly ready for moulding paste :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 20 July 2022, 08:37:44 AM
Moulding paste last night, black undercoat and 2 heavy dry brushes of off white done today :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 July 2022, 12:34:06 AM
Last batch of walls finished

A question for the forum, what Vallejo paint would be a good match for Oxford mix trousers in this period?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Orcs on 24 July 2022, 01:24:01 PM
I have a better solution to your corner problem

Ask Leon nicely to cut you some MDF corner bases the same width as the ice lolly sticks. He did this for me when I had exactly the some conundrum as you.

I would also be tempted to use MDF bases for the walls as these will be far stronger than card. You can order custom sizes on the website. I think you find the small cost makes the lack of effort worthwhile.


 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 25 July 2022, 09:53:36 AM
Thanks Orcs, a little late with that suggestion

QuoteLast batch of walls finished
...
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Ithoriel on 25 July 2022, 10:14:11 AM

QuoteThanks Orcs, a little late with that suggestion
... but useful for anyone reading this thread in future and thinking they'd like to copy you?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 28 July 2022, 08:05:27 PM
<:-P My order has shipped :)

Shipment has departed from a DHL facility TEESSIDE - UK

Estimated Delivery Date
08. August 2022 - By End of Day :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 July 2022, 02:23:49 AM
Arrived at DHL Sort Facility LONDON-HEATHROW - UK
29. July 2022 01:42 Local time, LONDON-HEATHROW - UK :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 29 July 2022, 05:22:54 AM
Record for Pendraken to my front door here in NZ is 5 and a half days, if they beat that time consider it a good effort  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 July 2022, 09:29:26 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 July 2022, 10:17:35 PM
Shipment has departed from a DHL facility LONDON-HEATHROW - UK
29. July 2022 14:10 Local time

Judging by the Customs clearance status updates its headed for CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA and LOS ANGELES GATEWAY, CA - USA
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 July 2022, 10:37:45 PM
I've been waiting for some better weather to take some proper pictures of the terrain I've made for this project.
Having looked at the forecast for the next week I've taken a couple of grab shots

Walls in three different lengths:

3"x2" 'Villages' with scratch built buildings with space for 1.5" square detachment to occupy

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52250012516_6664aa7398_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nB9YmL)

6"x4" 'Towns' with removable existing buildings on 3" squares, allowing space for 2 troop bases (the 3" squares count as town sectors for ITLSU and Spearhead)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52250026508_071272614d_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nBa3w1)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Ithoriel on 29 July 2022, 11:10:48 PM
Impressive stuff, Paul. Looking good.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 29 July 2022, 11:17:12 PM
Very nice!

Good to see you have a couple of walls there!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 July 2022, 12:11:08 AM
Hopefully that should be enough walls, although I still have some left over lolly pop sticks and cardboard @-)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 30 July 2022, 03:02:27 AM
Very nice work Paul  :-bd

Looked on the Pizza Hut site but couldn't see any buildings in their menu  ;) .....(Shall I get my coat on?  :-\)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: DecemDave on 30 July 2022, 09:55:40 AM
 =D>   very nice.  I'll try and copy that switchable building technique when I finally get round to the peninsular mega-city I seem to have bought !
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 July 2022, 11:00:20 AM
Arrived at DHL Sort Facility LOS ANGELES GATEWAY - USA
Friday 29. July 2022 21:50 Local time

Looks like it has skipped CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA #:-S
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 30 July 2022, 05:08:53 PM
Are the fields just rows of static grass? Was planning something similar for my 2mm vineyards I need to do.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 July 2022, 10:55:20 PM
They are a mix of a couple of different colours of Woodland Scenics Coarse Turf

I run lines of PVA and pile the turf on, once dry I reclaim the excess turf and then soak with diluted PVA
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 July 2022, 10:57:43 PM
Shipment has departed from a DHL facility LOS ANGELES GATEWAY - USA :)
30. July 2022 11:14 Local time

Customs clearance status updated AUCKLAND - NEW ZEALAND :)
31. July 2022 06:15 Local time
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 30 July 2022, 11:51:14 PM

QuoteThey are a mix of a couple of different colours of Woodland Scenics Coarse Turf

I run lines of PVA and pile the turf on, once dry I reclaim the excess turf and then soak with diluted PVA
Good to know, thanks.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 01 August 2022, 06:50:14 AM
Scheduled to depart on the next planned movement
01. August 2022 14:35 Local time, WELLINGTON - NEW ZEALAND

Given its now almost 6pm it looks like it will be delivered tomorrow :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 02 August 2022, 02:36:30 AM
Forwarded to a third party agent
02. August 2022 13:33 Local time WELLINGTON - NEW ZEALAND

Should be getting close now :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 02 August 2022, 07:27:13 AM
On a long walk yesterday I popped into a church in the village of North Stoke in the Cotswolds whilst taking a break in the churchyard (they have a nice bench with a stunning view from it). A plaque on the wall showed a local family had a memeber leading the forlorn hope at Seraginpatam, one dying at Lucknow and another becoming Viceroy. I wished I'd had my camera (next time) as I thought of your project Paul and how interesting it was that from this small village the family had been involved in many major events in India. Some other interesting stuff in there too.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 02 August 2022, 07:56:27 AM
Connections like that have a way of making wars much more tangible

I would be very interested in seeing them

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 02 August 2022, 07:57:52 AM
Still no sign of my shipment :(  :-w  :-w  :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 02 August 2022, 10:05:28 AM
Quote from: paulr on 02 August 2022, 07:57:52 AMStill no sign of my shipment :(  :-w  :-w  :-w

Patience Patience MAN  :d
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 02 August 2022, 12:28:54 PM
Ah the great Kiwi Mutiny of 2022/First New Zealand War of Postal Delays
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 02 August 2022, 07:56:37 PM
;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Their depot is about an hours drive from here ~X(  :-w  :-w  :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 03 August 2022, 12:11:34 AM
Shipment is out with courier for delivery
03. August 2022 10:02 Local time, WELLINGTON - NEW ZEALAND

That was just over an hour ago, the excitement builds :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 03 August 2022, 04:52:40 AM
I'm sure they will be worth the wait....

In the meantime here's something to watch that relates to one of the units you are depicting...finally remembered where I had seen reference to 1st Madras Fusiliers in 1857:

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 03 August 2022, 09:17:48 AM
Thanks, another interesting connection

As horrific as the description of the events are in the video there were several worse bits left out

It is hard to fathom how people can behave in such horrific ways

I am truly glad I haven't been challenged in the way they were
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 03 August 2022, 09:21:58 AM
On a happier note

Delivered
03. August 2022 16:58 Local time, WELLINGTON - NEW ZEALAND <:-P  <:-P  <:-P

I was working from home on my own all day  :-w  :-w  :-w

They delivered it just before my wife and I were due to head out :o

Fortunately I noticed it at the door while she was still getting ready and relocated it to my office ;) 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 03 August 2022, 09:34:02 AM
Well the Eagle has landed so to speak, but a close call there Paul ;)  ;D .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Westmarcher on 03 August 2022, 09:43:59 AM
Looking good so far.  :-bd
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 August 2022, 10:11:16 AM
Ordered Soldiers of Napoleon Monday, arried this morning, from another country -Wales
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: kustenjaeger on 03 August 2022, 11:54:15 AM
28 July to 3 August isn't bad at all.

Edward
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 August 2022, 12:33:34 PM
I'm impressed, Firestone Games  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 03 August 2022, 02:53:57 PM
To be fair that's not a bad delivery time. Mine can sometimes take 6 days to reach me and they have over 12,000 fewer km to travel.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 August 2022, 06:22:36 AM
Definitely a good delivery time overall :)

I've made a start on sorting them into units and am really pleased with the figures :-bd  =D>  :-bd  =D>
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 August 2022, 06:40:54 AM
I've been thinking about how to mix the figures on the bases and blue-tacked some figures to bases to see how they look

The infantry comes in three poses, plus command. Each battalion will typically be 2 3"x1.5" stands each with 12 figures in 2 rows.
Company battalions will have a separate 1.5"x1.5" command stand.

One option I've come up with are to mix the poses up like these

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52261092162_954b864df9_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nC8KX9)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52262064421_90074ba7a5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nCdJYe)

Another option is to split the battalion into 4 'platoons' (2 per base) and group the poses into 3 the same

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52262548365_be3db314a2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nCgdQ6)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52262548340_9e7625b70a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nCgdPE)

Using the first option for Indian units and the second for more disciplined Company units is a possibility
Thoughts, suggestions :-\
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 04 August 2022, 08:00:22 AM
I'd go for more mixed formations for the Indian units, with more organised looking units for the ones with higher discipline/training. Just a little visual thing, but should add to the correlation between figures and game stats. 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 04 August 2022, 11:00:33 AM
Why is it that colonial wargames leave me cold?  I've got Featherstone's books on India and Africa, plus a book on the Boer War and two on the Zulu War but no clue why none of them get my wargaming juices flowing.  On the other hand Zulu is my favourite film.  I don't have any 'post-colonial' remorse or guilt.  What is it I just don't get?  Am I alone in this?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 04 August 2022, 12:46:58 PM
Quote from: John Cook on 04 August 2022, 11:00:33 AMWhy is it that colonial wargames leave me cold?  I've got Featherstone's books on India and Africa, plus a book on the Boer War and two on the Zulu War but no clue why none of them get my wargaming juices flowing.  On the other hand Zulu is my favourite film.  I don't have any 'post-colonial' remorse or guilt.  What is it I just don't get?  Am I alone in this?


Is it the asymmetrical nature of the thing?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 04 August 2022, 02:03:34 PM
Visually attractive but not terrible exciting for me. Also it can be a bit one sided at times, or at least that's my impression, but stand to be proved ompletely wrong! A lot of the conflicts feel better as large scale skirmishes than pitched battles IMHO.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 04 August 2022, 02:06:43 PM
A visit to Lacock today and SWMBO and I spent a nice time in the church there. Again another wall plaque commerating an EIC officer that fought at Seringapatam, but fell whilst commanding some of the artillery lines during the siege. The light was not good enough for a photo I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 04 August 2022, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 04 August 2022, 12:46:58 PMIs it the asymmetrical nature of the thing?
Not sure.  I quite like to fight one-sided/unbalanced games. 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 04 August 2022, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 04 August 2022, 02:03:34 PMVisually attractive but not terrible exciting for me. Also it can be a bit one sided at times, or at least that's my impression, but stand to be proved completely wrong! A lot of the conflicts feel better as large scale skirmishes than pitched battles IMHO.

Maybe that's it, I do like large pitched battles but, on the other hand, I don't mind one-sided either.  More therapy needed I think.       
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 04 August 2022, 04:42:04 PM

QuoteMaybe that's it, I do like large pitched battles but, on the other hand, I don't mind one-sided either.  More therapy needed I think.     
Maybe having a think about what does attract you to a particular period or project then working out if those factors are missing or lessened in Colonial? E.g. maybe you like bright uniforms which are sometimes lacking in colonial. They're lacking in 20th century too, but then that provides a completely different style of battle which maybe holds other attractions that you can overlook the uniform monotony? 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 04 August 2022, 04:44:15 PM

QuoteUsing the first option for Indian units and the second for more disciplined Company units is a possibility
Thoughts, suggestions :-\
Sounds like a sensible approach, though would the separate command base be fiddly? You probably have enough space on the bases to include the command with them? Did commanders stand in the centre or the flanks in the period do you know?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: sultanbev on 04 August 2022, 05:29:54 PM
Quote from: John Cook on 04 August 2022, 11:00:33 AMWhy is it that colonial wargames leave me cold?  I've got Featherstone's books on India and Africa, plus a book on the Boer War and two on the Zulu War but no clue why none of them get my wargaming juices flowing.  On the other hand Zulu is my favourite film.  I don't have any 'post-colonial' remorse or guilt.  What is it I just don't get?  Am I alone in this?

Yes, having dabbled in it in 28mm (only because everyone else here was) it is a mug's game for the oriental player, if your rules are vaguely historically correct. Most oriental "battalions" are 300-400 men, compared to European 600-1000 men battalions. Europeans operate in brigade-division-corps formations with proper staff and even signalling equipment occasionally, whereas the orientals are led by passionate individuals with little concept of staff work and no people to run it even if they had grasped the concept and were literate enough.

So your oriental units are outnumbered to start with, unit on unit, out commanded, and outshot. The Europeans shoot straight with breech loaders for miles, just shoots any charge to a halt - whereas you're chucking spears if you get close enough, or have inferior firearms with poorer training and ammunition supply. If you're on a horse or camel its even worse unless you manage to get around the flank (try doing that in 28mm). Oh, and machine guns and proper field artillery.

I do have an Ethiopian army which at least had some regulars, and has a decent amount of cavalry if I wish, so it has a bit more resilience. We did a 1986-era game once against a brigade of Italians, it took two division equivalents to beat the Italians over many turns, and that only because we over-valued the effect of spears being thrown.

Afterall, the orientals did lose all the colonial wars, there's a good reason for that which turns out isn't much fun as a wargame, so the era leaving you cold is understandable.

What we have found though more interesting as a game is two oriental armies against each other, eg Mahdists versus Ethiopians, as actually happened - it's a bit like medieval warfare with firearms, which is kinda okay. So when I finish my 1838-40 Afghans they are more likely to be used against Sikhs than Brits if my opponent gets round to doing them.


Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fsn on 04 August 2022, 05:33:11 PM
QuoteWhy is it that colonial wargames leave me cold?  I've got Featherstone's books on India and Africa, plus a book on the Boer War and two on the Zulu War but no clue why none of them get my wargaming juices flowing.  On the other hand Zulu is my favourite film.  I don't have any 'post-colonial' remorse or guilt.  What is it I just don't get?  Am I alone in this?

I totally agree. I have no interest in the colonial campaigns, and no idea why not. It may be the asymmetrical aspect, but it certainly isn't colonial guilt. I include in the list the various wars in India and Afghanistan, as well as the Antipodes. Although a keen student of the Napoleonic wars, Assaye doesn't interest me.

It's not just the British either; the Conquest of Algiers leaves me cold, the meanderings of the Conquistadores, the doings of the Portuguese and the Belgians are unknown and of no interest, as is anything that happened in the Americas (excluding 1861-1865 obviously.)

 

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 August 2022, 09:37:08 PM
QuoteIs it the asymmetrical nature of the thing?
This is one of the main reasons I went with the Indian Mutiny for my Colonial project. Both sides at least have similar weapons. The better discipline/morale of the Company is hopefully offset by the greater numbers of Indians

QuoteVisually attractive but not terrible exciting for me. Also it can be a bit one sided at times, or at least that's my impression, but stand to be proved completely wrong! A lot of the conflicts feel better as large scale skirmishes than pitched battles IMHO.
Wing scale Volley & Bayonet is pitched at small battles, most of the historic battles I'm looking at had 4-8 Company battalions and 6-10 Indian battalions plus various hangers on

QuoteSounds like a sensible approach, though would the separate command base be fiddly? You probably have enough space on the bases to include the command with them? Did commanders stand in the centre or the flanks in the period do you know?
The unit command stands are a feature of wing scale Volley & Bayonet so having them separate is important. They provide a simple way to reflect the different command and control capabilities of the various troops
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: FierceKitty on 05 August 2022, 02:22:51 AM
I found, after an initial total lack of interest, that with rules allowing for ammunition shortages, hidden movement, ambushes, being attacked while still in column, and so on the regulars have a much harder fight on their hands.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 05 August 2022, 06:40:38 AM
Good points Alexander. I feel these sort of games, like many, would be greatly enhanced by playing them as part of a campaign, rather than single battles. Then the 'irregulars' at least have a fighting chance.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 05 August 2022, 07:10:25 AM
Good points FK

Steve, I am basing this project on the campaign to relieve Cawnpore and Lucknow
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 05 August 2022, 07:13:07 AM
The first two battalions have been prepared and undercoated :)

I've sorted all the figures and my calculations appear to have worked out :o  #:-S
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 05 August 2022, 07:34:26 AM
As I start painting the first two units I need to finalise the design of my unit labels

Some people prefer no labels at all and I understand many of the arguments for this

With our group playing so many different periods and rule sets we find clear labels invaluable

The labels need to clearly show:

For my ECW and AWI forces I've used blue and green backgrounds for the labels to identify the sides.
This won't work for my arid base cloth which is a sandy colour.

I can use a similar sandy colour for the labels of the Indian troops. But what colour should I use for the Company units?
I want something that doesn't stand out too much.

I'm also going to use flags to differentiate between the Queens and Company units and the different Indian contingents.

I'll be using my coloured box approach to show the side, brigade and battalion.

Below are examples of some AWI labels and some initial thoughts on some labels for this project. I'm open to thoughts or suggestions on how to improve the labels

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52264321833_5189a1b7d8_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nCqj28)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 05 August 2022, 08:11:55 AM
Your labels look good - you get a lot more info on them than I manage.

You say the 3 boxes cover side, brigade and battalion. But I'm struggling to see how side works, looking at the flags too. 

I think the blue vs green works well to show the two sides for AWI, and is probably more important for the mutiny as I think the flags will be less familiar to the players. I'd probably go for the brown and sand/yellow that you have used for the two Bengal examples as the two base colours. 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 05 August 2022, 08:34:55 AM
I like the light yellow ones.

My only thought on the brown would be the contrast might be a bit low as the black on the brown is less noticeable than the others. The darker yellow is similar, though may just be the screen. Possibly a few shades lighter on the brown background?

Another possibility, would a kind of light stoney grey fit okay with the base sheet?

(https://www.color-name.com/color-image?c=918E85&desktop)

 hex code #918E85 or similar
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 05 August 2022, 09:35:16 AM
Quote from: fsn on 04 August 2022, 05:33:11 PMAlthough a keen student of the Napoleonic wars, Assaye doesn't interest me.
Odd that, although Napoleonic is where wargaming all started for me, several decades ago, and I've read about Wellington's Indian campaigns, they don't float my boat either. 
Anyway, it is good to know that I'm not alone by any stretch of the imagination and having looked at all the replies - thanks for that - I think I know what the problem is.
I do like large battles but my perception of so many colonial adversaries is that they seem to be amorphous mobs with no apparent organization that I can get to grips with. 
I also use a 10:1 ratio for all my armies from the 11th to 19th centuries so the prospect of having to paint 2000 Zulus, for example, does not appeal and that is another perception.  They all seem so drab and uninteresting from a painting point of view.
Happy to be persuaded otherwise and I have to confess that the Zulu War is an itch I have not yet scratched for all those reasons.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 05 August 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Quote...You say the 3 boxes cover side, brigade and battalion. But I'm struggling to see how side works, looking at the flags too...
First box is the side
Second box is the brigade - Red, Blue, Yellow, Green...
Third box is the battalion within the brigade- Red, Blue, Yellow, Green...

HM 84th is Queens/Company, first brigade, second battalion

Quote...probably more important for the mutiny as I think the flags will be less familiar to the players...
Definitely more important as the Indians were still carrying the Company issued colours, with Union Jacks!
The only Red coated units will be 2 battalions of Oudh Infantry (on the Indian side)

Quote from: mmcv on 05 August 2022, 08:34:55 AMI like the light yellow ones.

My only thought on the brown would be the contrast might be a bit low as the black on the brown is less noticeable than the others. The darker yellow is similar, though may just be the screen. Possibly a few shades lighter on the brown background?

Another possibility, would a kind of light stoney grey fit okay with the base sheet?
Thanks, I shall try some experiments, light stoney grey is a possibility I hadn't thought of

Also just describing the issue has been useful in clarifying my thinking
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 05 August 2022, 10:25:20 AM
Quote from: paulr on 05 August 2022, 07:34:26 AMSome people prefer no labels at all and I understand many of the arguments for this
I like your labels very much and have evolved a similar system which is common for all my armies.  I must say, though, I have never had a problem identifying which side units are on.  It is pretty much evident from their appearance, flags and so on.
My coloured boxes tend to be pretty discrete, though visible from a players view point.  Bottom left of the stand are up to three differently coloured boxes for the unit, the brigade (or equivalent) and division (or equivalent) if necessary.  Bottom right is a coloured box for the corps if necessary. 
The unit box also has the unit identifying number on it, essentially its rank within the formation of which it is part. 
Only the command element has the unit name on it, black on a white strip   I experimented with differently coloured strips but they only caused confusion and tended to 'disappear' at a distance from the viewer.  So I went with a universal white strip with black lettering, which stands out against all kinds of backgrounds, a long time ago.
Full unit details, weapons, number of men, commanding officer, that kind of thing, is on the underside and is really only a repeat of what is in the army list anyway.
The system is also a storage solution as much as anything else and indispensable in that context.   
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 05 August 2022, 12:37:54 PM
Thanks for the further explanation Paul - I think orange vs red is probably going to be hard to pick out the differences on the table. Keeping red for the British seems a given in this era! So whether a blue or green work for the Indians. 

John - as to telling sides apart does rather depend on the period and the sides. ECW and Indian Mutiny both seem like conflicts where a lot of units dressed very similarly on both sides - I suppose not uncommon in a Civil War. 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 05 August 2022, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: fred. on 05 August 2022, 12:37:54 PMJohn - as to telling sides apart does rather depend on the period and the sides. ECW and Indian Mutiny both seem like conflicts where a lot of units dressed very similarly on both sides - I suppose not uncommon in a Civil War.

It is a fair point.  I have quite large ECW armies, and medieval where distinctive uniforms also don't exist, but I have still never encountered a problem knowing which side a unit was on.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 06 August 2022, 12:34:50 AM
Thanks Fred, yes the orange vs red is one of the main reasons I'm looking at distinctive backgrounds to the labels. Green would work for Muslim Indians but not Hindu... I'll probably do away with the first box if I find backgrounds that work.

Thanks John, I don't have a problem identifying units but then I painted them :)
For those less familiar with the period it can be a challenge. Skin tone will help for some units but not all

These two standards illustrate the challenge, they will be 10mm square
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52265957906_3bb44c7d76_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nCyGnh)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 06 August 2022, 12:38:39 AM
Jackets/Shirts base coated and dry brushed :)

I'm pleased with the combinations of base coats and dry brushes, they give a suitably varied collection of dirty 'whites'

I'm going for a scruffy campaign look rather than parade ground appearance
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 06 August 2022, 12:57:40 AM
Quote from: paulr on 06 August 2022, 12:34:50 AMThanks John, I don't have a problem identifying units but then I painted them :)
For those less familiar with the period it can be a challenge. Skin tone will help for some units but not all

I can see now, how it might be a problem in a club setting where there are lots of potential players involved.  I don't belong to a club, my armies don't 'travel' and I game with a few individuals who are familiar with all the periods we play. 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 06 August 2022, 10:54:03 AM
To get some idea of the actual size here are the flags that I have done for Paul in 10mm for this project....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52265713177_bd1474e4b2_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 06 August 2022, 09:57:55 PM
Fine work on those flags 8) .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 06 August 2022, 10:02:39 PM
Pierre the Shy is very helpful when it comes to flags :-bd

Good progress made on the current batch yesterday and this morning

Trousers base coated and dry brushed :)
Hats base coated and dry brushed :)
Cartridge boxes base coated and dry brushed :)
Boots done :)
Scabbards painted :)
Musket stocks done :)
Steel base coated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 07 August 2022, 02:56:37 AM
Quote from: pierre the shy on 06 August 2022, 10:54:03 AMTo get some idea of the actual size here are the flags that I have done for Paul in 10mm for this project....

Those are excellent.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 07 August 2022, 08:07:10 AM
The good progress continues on the first two battalions :)

Skin highlights left to do tonight then touch ups tomorrow

I'm very pleased with the figures, plenty of character and detail, all readily paintable :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 07 August 2022, 08:40:29 PM
Skin highlights done last night :)
Touch ups done this morning :)

First coat done on bases :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 08 August 2022, 10:00:01 AM
As promised Paul:

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Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 08 August 2022, 10:32:22 AM
Many thanks Steve, fascinating

The youngest boy was only a barrister at law ;)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 08 August 2022, 10:34:48 AM
Second coat done on bases :)

Next two battalions prepared and washed :)

Magnetic vinyl glued to bases :)

Figures washed :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 08 August 2022, 12:37:31 PM
He was a bit of a failure I reckon Paul ;) . Not bad that one of them was buried in Westminster Abbey.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 08 August 2022, 09:00:30 PM
Sir Henry Montgomery Lawrence is buried at the Residency graveyard in Lucknow and is marked as he requested "Put on my tomb only this; Here lies Henry Lawrence who tried to do his duty."

I wonder how it is viewed by the locals now :-\
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 08 August 2022, 09:02:59 PM
Final dry brush done :)

Figure bases painted :)
Looks like they will need a second coat
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 09 August 2022, 09:34:38 AM
Second coat done on figure bases :)

First coat done on next lot of bases :)

Hopefully the weather will be good enough at some point tomorrow for undercoating :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Raider4 on 09 August 2022, 08:41:47 PM

QuoteI made good progress yesterday on about another 3 feet of walls, tonight they had moulding paste applied :)
What is your "moulding paste" please? Tried searching but all I get is haircare products.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 10 August 2022, 09:52:09 AM
It's an artists product made by Chroma Australia, you can find it on their Australian website here
 https://chromaonline.com/atelieracrylic-au/products/molding-paste/ (https://chromaonline.com/atelieracrylic-au/products/molding-paste/)

They have a UK based company as well, Chroma Europe in Bolton 00 44 1204 850213
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 10 August 2022, 09:56:42 AM
Second coat done on next lot of bases :)

Sorted first batch of figures ready for basing :)

Next two battalions are on the painting rods waiting to be undercoated :-w

Didn't get above 8 C (46 F) today so too cold to undercoat in the garage, not forecast to warm up until Friday or Saturday :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Raider4 on 10 August 2022, 10:05:30 AM

QuoteIt's an artists product made by Chroma Australia, you can find it on their Australian website here
 https://chromaonline.com/atelieracrylic-au/products/molding-paste/ (https://chromaonline.com/atelieracrylic-au/products/molding-paste/)

They have a UK based company as well, Chroma Europe in Bolton 00 44 1204 850213
Ta very much.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 11 August 2022, 01:25:19 AM
Painting bases while waiting for it to warm up enough to undercoat in the garage :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 12 August 2022, 09:52:15 AM
Nearly got warm enough to undercoat this afternoon, then it rained :(

Painted some more bases and flocked the first of the skirmishing sabots :)
In V&B infantry (3"x1.5" bases) can break down into detachments (1.5"x1.5" bases) to occupy villages or to deploy into skirmish order (placed on 3"x1.5" sabot skirmish bases)

I also collected my printed flags and labels from Pierre the Shy :)
The flags look even more impression first hand :)  :)

The labels look good glued to the bases
I've gone with a slight variation to the light stony grey suggested by MMCV
(https://www.color-name.com/color-image?c=918E85&desktop)
It is similar in tone to the bases but is a distinct colour differentiating the two sides nicely
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Post by: paulr on 13 August 2022, 02:39:16 AM
Painted some more bases and flocked some more skirmishing sabots :)

Had to buy a new large test pot of the paint I'm using for the bases and basing :o
First money I've had to spend on this project except with Pendraken X_X ;D

Based the first two battalions :)
Very pleased with the overall look, even if I say so myself :)  :)  :)

Will touch up flock and add flags tomorrow :-w

Not quite warm enough for undercoating but it should get warmer later in the afternoon :-SS
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Post by: d_Guy on 13 August 2022, 05:36:31 AM
QuoteVery pleased with the overall look, even if I say so myself :)  :)  :)

Arrrgh! Post a pic so we can judge for ourselves!  ;)  :D
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Post by: pierre the shy on 13 August 2022, 06:07:57 AM
I only gave Paul the printed labels and flags at 7pm yesterday!!
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Post by: paulr on 13 August 2022, 07:57:39 AM
Warmed up enough to undercoat the next 2 battalions :)

Flocked some more skirmishing sabots :)

Once the basing mixture is dry tomorrow I have a couple of Colours to add and possibly some flock to touch up

I may get a chance to take pics tomorrow afternoon

These won't be getting varnished until the weather is much warmer :-w
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Post by: paulr on 13 August 2022, 08:38:04 PM
Touched up flock on some more skirmishing sabots :)

Added Colours and touched up some flock :)

Edges of Colours to do and then they are done until it warms up enough for varnishing
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Post by: paulr on 14 August 2022, 05:10:38 AM
Edges of Colours done & a bit more flock touched up :)

Lost the light for photography today
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Post by: paulr on 15 August 2022, 08:55:04 PM
Shirts/Jackets base coated on next two battalions :)
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Post by: paulr on 16 August 2022, 08:42:51 AM
Shirts/Jackets dry brushed :)

Trousers base coated and dry brushed :) :)

Hats and other headgear base coated and dry brushed :) :)

Cartridge Boxes base coated :)

Scabbards and one battalion's boots done :)
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Post by: paulr on 17 August 2022, 06:14:01 AM
Good progress on the two battalions, skin and hair left to do :)
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Post by: paulr on 18 August 2022, 02:04:53 AM
Skin base coated :)

Hair done :)

Skin highlighted :)

Details added :)

Will do touch ups this evening

Need to prepare the next two battalions, the forecast is for undercoating weather maybe on Sunday between showers or Tuesday :-w
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Post by: paulr on 18 August 2022, 08:58:29 PM
Touch ups done last night :)

Next 2 battalions prepared :)

2 current battalions washed this morning :)
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Post by: pierre the shy on 18 August 2022, 10:24:47 PM
Quote from: paulr on 18 August 2022, 08:58:29 PM2 current battalions washed this morning :)

No shortage of water in Wellington this week....or for the next one! :(
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Post by: paulr on 19 August 2022, 04:06:40 AM
I'm hoping the forecast clearing late on Sunday will give me a chance to undercoat the next two battalions :-SS
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Post by: paulr on 19 August 2022, 06:24:10 AM
The weather was not great today with rain but it eased a little this afternoon

While the light was not great it was at least constant so with my camera on a tripod...

1st Madras Fusiliers 'Neill's Bluecaps'
The unit of Billy Connolly's ancestor mentioned in the video posted by Pierre the Shy
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Deployed as 5 detachments with the unit commander behind
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Post by: paulr on 19 August 2022, 06:30:09 AM
1st Bengal Native Infantry of Cawnpore

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One of the two wings of the battalion can deploy as detachments while the other remains formed as supports

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Detachments can occupy villages or deploy in skirmish order on skirmish sabots

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Post by: paulr on 19 August 2022, 06:34:42 AM
Painted & Based

83 
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Post by: paulr on 19 August 2022, 06:41:55 AM
And finally for now, part of the inspiration for this project, Volume III of British Battles on Land and Sea by James Grant

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The portrait is of Brigadier-General Henry Havelock commander of the Allahabad Moveable Column that my HEIC troops are based on

The 78th Highlanders in the engraving on the right actually fought in white shirtsleeves and white drill trousers
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Post by: fred. on 19 August 2022, 08:03:20 AM
Great start Paul !  :)


With the detachments have you effectively made each unit twice?

Nice to see the figures with the inspiration, though a shame that the near contemporary engraving is very much stylised - but perhaps I shouldn't be surprised at this from a Victorian era book.
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Post by: paulr on 19 August 2022, 08:25:53 AM
For most units the detachments mean I'm adding 50% more figures, for the few units fully armed with rifled muskets it means about twice the figures

Leon kindly costed up some sabots I designed to avoid the extra figures. Even at the very reasonable price Leon came up with it was cheaper to buy the extra figures

The book doesn't have a publishing date but based on dedications in it, it was gifted to the first owner in 1893 and passed through two more generations of the same family

My son's fiancée spotted three of the four volume set in the charity shop she was managing at the time and purchased them for me
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Post by: mmcv on 19 August 2022, 08:52:48 AM
Lovely start, the labels came up well too, clear but not too intrusive.
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Post by: Nick the Lemming on 19 August 2022, 12:46:41 PM
Those look magnificent Paul!
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Post by: paulr on 19 August 2022, 08:51:24 PM
QuoteLovely start, the labels came up well too, clear but not too intrusive.

Thanks again for your suggestion of grey for the HEIC labels, it hadn't occurred to me and works really well
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Post by: pierre the shy on 19 August 2022, 09:50:42 PM
They look very good indeed  :-bd

Quote from: mmcv on 19 August 2022, 08:52:48 AMLovely start, the labels came up well too, clear but not too intrusive.

Plenty more to come..... just printed out 6 more A4 pages of labels for Paul!

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Post by: paulr on 20 August 2022, 12:36:15 AM
Thank you, kind Sir
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Post by: Ithoriel on 20 August 2022, 12:58:45 AM
Very impressive, Paul, well done!
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Post by: Steve J on 20 August 2022, 08:31:52 AM
Cracking work there Paul 8) .
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Post by: paulr on 21 August 2022, 01:24:20 AM
Next two battalions undercoated between showers, drying in the garage :)

Collected the labels from Pierre the Shy and labeled the bases for the current two battalions :)

Managed to get home before the next lot of heavy showers #:-S
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Post by: d_Guy on 21 August 2022, 02:43:46 AM
Great looking Paul!
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Post by: paulr on 21 August 2022, 04:36:33 AM
Current two battalions based :)

Next two battalions brought in from the garage, between showers, to finish drying :-w
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Post by: Poggle on 21 August 2022, 07:30:44 PM
Shaping up nicely.  :-bd
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Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 22 August 2022, 12:02:14 AM
Those are rather superb  8)
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Post by: paulr on 22 August 2022, 09:12:18 AM
Flock touched up and flags added to the current two battalions :)  :)

Shirts/Jackets base coated on the next two battalions :)
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Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 August 2022, 11:27:44 AM
Keep it up !
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Post by: paulr on 23 August 2022, 04:47:23 AM
The weather is sunny this afternoon, for a change, so...

HM 64th, 2nd Staffordshire

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I'm pleased with how the 'Oxford mix' trousers, I did for half the figures, turned out :)

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53rd Bengal Native Infantry, of Cawnpore

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Post by: paulr on 23 August 2022, 04:51:09 AM
Painted & Based
158 
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Mounted
Models
  158 
Total
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Post by: paulr on 23 August 2022, 04:52:03 AM
Shirts/Jackets dry brushed on the next two battalions :)
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Post by: collegialhoagie on 23 August 2022, 10:18:39 PM
Well done Paulr, great painting and basing, love the labels!
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Post by: paulr on 24 August 2022, 05:36:57 AM
Trousers & hats base coated and dry brushed :)  :)
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Post by: paulr on 25 August 2022, 09:07:01 AM
Good progress today :)

Skin and hair left to do tomorrow :!!

Sorted out the next back; Commanders, Company cavalry, Bengal Light Cavalry
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Post by: paulr on 25 August 2022, 09:19:25 PM
Last night as well as sorting the units I want to paint in the next batch I worked on finalising my painting notes for the various cavalry units

I've hit a bit of a snag with two units:

There doesn't seem to be much, if any, information available on the uniforms of these two units. The Irregular in their title refers to how they were recruited rather than any lack of uniform or drill

Both units will have worn alkaluks (long 'jackets') similar in style to the other units of the Bengal Irregular Cavalry and the 3rd Oudh Irregular Cavalry

A painting exists of a British officer of the 3rd Oudh Irregular Cavalry wearing a green alkaluk. One source has the 3rd Oudh Irregular Cavalry with a green standard. The same source has a red standard for the 1st Oudh Irregular Cavalry perhaps suggesting red alkaluks.

If anyone has any information on the uniforms of these two units it would be much appreciated

If I can't find any information I'll paint them up as a couple of known Bengal Irregular Cavalry units
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Post by: paulr on 26 August 2022, 05:49:53 AM
Skin and hair done :)  :)
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Post by: paulr on 26 August 2022, 09:09:17 AM
Touch ups done :)

First coat on the first side of the next batch of bases :)

Continuing work on painting notes for the cavalry and commanders :!!
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Post by: Steve J on 26 August 2022, 03:02:39 PM
Latest batch of figures look great Paul 8) .
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Post by: paulr on 27 August 2022, 10:46:19 AM
Washed the current batch this morning :)

Finished painting the next batch of bases :)

Prepared and washed the next batch of cavalry and commanders :)

Continuing work on painting notes for the cavalry and commanders :!!
Lots of different uniforms for the various commanders even down to unit level :-B
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Post by: paulr on 28 August 2022, 04:06:01 AM
Did the final dry brush and figure bases on the current batch last night :)

Sorted them ready for basing freeing up my painting rods for the next batch :)
Discovered I'd managed to miscount the number of Bengal Native Infantry figures, I was one short :o  ~X(
I've dug out a spare and will paint it with the next batch, this will probably delay basing all of the current batch  :!!

Glued magnetic vinyl to the bases for the next batch :)

Finished the painting notes for the cavalry and commanders of the next batch :)

Undercoated the next batch :)
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Post by: paulr on 30 August 2022, 07:51:09 AM
Base coated the horses of the 'next' batch :)

Labeled bases for the current and 'next' batch :)
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Post by: paulr on 31 August 2022, 07:53:32 AM
Dry brushed the horses of the 'next' batch :)
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Post by: paulr on 01 September 2022, 08:15:51 PM
Good progress on the 'next' batch:
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Post by: paulr on 03 September 2022, 12:16:02 AM
More good progress on the 'next' batch:
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Post by: paulr on 06 September 2022, 08:10:07 AM
Even more good progress on the 'next' batch :)

Skin and hair left to do :!!
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Post by: paulr on 08 September 2022, 08:06:24 AM
Skin and hair done :)  :)

Touch ups should be done this evening with wash etc tomorrow

I need to start preparing another couple of battalions :!!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 08 September 2022, 08:21:32 AM
You certainly are a busy chap Paul and making excellent progress it would seem :) .
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Post by: paulr on 09 September 2022, 10:06:40 AM
I'm lucky enough to have a dedicated painting table so can do a little whenever I have a bit of spare time

Touch ups done last night :)

Wash done early this morning :)

Final dry brush and first coat of figure bases done :)  :)

Prepared and washed the next two battalions :)
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Post by: paulr on 11 September 2022, 01:59:14 AM
Sorted the current batch off the painting rods ready for basing :)

Got the next two battalions undercoated :)

Started painting the bases for those battalions :)

Decided there was probably time to base the cavalry and mounted commanders of the current batch before dinner :!!

I mixed up a batch of my basing mix and added a little too much paint, no problem added a little more filler

Finished basing the cavalry and mounted commanders then realised I had basing mix left

Might as well press on and base some of the previously done infantry now I'd painted up the figure I'd miscounted

I had just enough mix to base all the infantry @-)

Dinner was 3 hours late X_X

Finished painting the bases for the next two battalions this morning :)

Flocking will be touched up later this afternoon and flags added :-w
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Post by: paulr on 12 September 2022, 08:20:29 PM
Flocking touched, flags added, and edges painted :)  :)  :)

If the weather improves as forecast there might even be photographs :-w
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Post by: paulr on 13 September 2022, 07:57:12 AM
Jackets/shirts of the current batch base coated and dry brushed :)  :)

The weather improved as forecast this afternoon, so...

HM 78th Highlanders, Ross-shire Buffs
The 78th started with 4 companies, were reinforced in August with 4 more companies, and in September by a detail of 80 men
Making them one of the larger battalions in Henry Havelock's force

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The 78th fought in white shirtsleeves and white drill trousers, these stained very quickly. Importantly no kilts were worn, they were however imagined in England, so it is not uncommon to see portrayals of the 78th in red doublets and kilts.

56th Bengal Native Infantry of Cawnpore

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Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 13 September 2022, 08:24:23 AM
HEIC Commanders

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Force Commander   Brigadier-General Henry Havelock and Major-General Sir James Outram,
who generously defered command to Havelock until Lucknow was relieved
1st Infantry BrigadeBrigadier James Neill, 1st Madras Fusiliers 'Neill's Bluecaps'
2nd Infantry BrigadeBrigadier Walter Hamilton, 78th Highlanders
3rd Artillery Brigade    Major George Cooper, Bengal Artillery
   
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Allahabad Volunteer Cavalry commanded by Captain Lousada Barrow, 5th Madras Light Cavalry

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The unit was made up of officers of mutinied/disarmed units, civilians and volunteer infantrymen. The infantrymen were mounted on the horses of the two irregular cavalry detachments, (3rd Oudh and 13th Bengal) disarmed after not charging at the Battle of Fatehpur. Note their red and blue quartered saddle blankets.

12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry (mostly Sikhs) commanded by A/Captain W Johnson, 6th Bengal Native Infantry (which had mutinied)

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Post by: paulr on 13 September 2022, 08:39:57 AM
Indian Commanders

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Force LeaderJawala Parshad, Nana Sahib's commander in chief
1st Bengal InfantryCommanders name not yet found
2nd Bengal InfantryCommanders name not yet found
Bengal Light Cavalry Brigade   Tika Singh, a risaldar (Captain) of 2nd Bengal Light Cavalry


2nd Bengal Light Cavalry with elements of 1st BLC
First-hand accounts of the Battle of Fatehpur record that the cavalry were dressed in 'French Grey' regimentals, the infantry in white native dress

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7th Bengal Light Cavalry, one squadron

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Post by: paulr on 13 September 2022, 08:44:00 AM
Painted & Based
217 
Foot
59 
Mounted
Models
  276 
Total
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 13 September 2022, 09:29:32 AM
Nicely done there Paul and you really are keeping up a cracking pace 8) .
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Post by: DecemDave on 13 September 2022, 09:51:32 AM
QuoteIndian Commanders

absolutely beautiful.  Not a period I have ever considered.  2027 Maybe.
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Post by: mmcv on 13 September 2022, 10:50:03 AM
Very impressive
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Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 13 September 2022, 10:55:06 AM
Excellent
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Post by: fred. on 13 September 2022, 12:26:22 PM
Great looking units Paul

I feel that a lot of thought has gone into the figure composition of these, as well as the research into units and the painting. 

Looking forward to seeing more.

I'm sure you have said, but which rules are you basing for?
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Post by: Nick the Lemming on 13 September 2022, 01:19:09 PM
Absolutely marvelous, Paul. How many more to go now?
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Post by: collegialhoagie on 13 September 2022, 02:18:50 PM
Fantastic work as always Paulr!
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Post by: d_Guy on 13 September 2022, 03:10:31 PM
Pictures, I like pictures!  Stunning work, you've been very busy. :-bd
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Post by: Ithoriel on 13 September 2022, 03:20:39 PM
Sterling stuff all round! Though I have a particular fondness for the rather motley Allahabad Volunteers!
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Post by: paulr on 13 September 2022, 08:37:44 PM
Thanks all

Quote...
I feel that a lot of thought has gone into the figure composition of these, as well as the research into units and the painting.
...
I'm sure you have said, but which rules are you basing for?

I've really enjoyed going down the many rabbit holes and finding ways to represent them on the table :)

A Wing scale variant of Volley & Bayonet
We already use Volley & Bayonet for Napoleonics and a Wing scale variant for AWI

QuoteAbsolutely marvelous, Paul. How many more to go now?
About 750 :!!

Quote from: Ithoriel on 13 September 2022, 03:20:39 PMSterling stuff all round! Though I have a particular fondness for the rather motley Allahabad Volunteers!

They were particularly fun, if time consuming. MUB12 Gentleman Horse added greatly to the motleyness
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 14 September 2022, 10:19:11 AM
Trousers of the current batch base coated and dry brushed :)  :)

Headgear of the current batch base coated and dry brushed :)  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 16 September 2022, 07:49:24 AM
Good progress over the last couple of days :)

I'm about to do skin highlights and then touch ups :!!

Also sorted out the next batch, a couple more infantry battalions and 6 artillery batteries
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 17 September 2022, 05:42:05 AM
Skin highlights and touch ups done last night :)  :)

Washed this morning :)

Next batch prepared and washed :)

Labels glued on bases for the current batch :)

First coat on both sides of the bases for the next batch :)
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Post by: paulr on 17 September 2022, 10:57:10 PM
Final dry brush done :)

First coat on figure bases :)

Artillery pieces assembled :)
No fingers super glued together #:-S ;)
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Post by: paulr on 18 September 2022, 05:20:47 AM
Second coat on figure bases :)

Second coat on bases for the next batch :)

Current batch sorted off the painting rods ready for basing :)

Next batch undercoated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 20 September 2022, 08:06:09 PM
Jackets, shirts & gun carriages base coated :)

Jackets & gun carriages dry brushed :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 21 September 2022, 09:47:43 AM
Trousers base coated and dry brushed :) :)

Guns & metal work on carriages base coated and dry brushed :) :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 21 September 2022, 02:18:50 PM
A busy bee Paul, rather like myself at present :) .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 22 September 2022, 10:14:12 AM
Second dry brush on guns :)

Headgear base coated and dry brushed :) :)

Seats on gun carriages done :)

Scabbards, cartridge boxes & European's boots base coated :)

Facings and hat bands done on Indians still in Company dress :)

Last batch based #:-S  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 22 September 2022, 04:41:47 PM
 ;)
Photos?
 ;)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 September 2022, 08:59:22 PM
Cartridge boxes dry brushed :)

Flock touched up on last batch :)

Quote;)
Photos?
 ;)
Weather forecast is promising for Monday, which is a public holiday here to mark the Queen's memorial service
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 24 September 2022, 10:08:10 AM
Flags added and edged on last batch :)

Details done on the current batch :)  :)  :)  :)

Skin base coated on the current batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 25 September 2022, 03:31:40 AM
Magnetic vinyl glued to bases last night :)

Hair done :)

Bases labeled :)

Skin highlighted :)

Bases and figures for the next batch sorted :)

Touch ups done :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 September 2022, 12:36:04 AM
Current batch washed last night :)

Figures for the next batch washed last night :)

Final dry brush and two coats on the figure bases done :)  :)  :)

Assembled Bullock carts, not sure if they be included in the next or a later batch, will have to see how I go for space  :-\

First coat of first side done on most of the bases for the next batch :)
I sit the bases on old Humbrol tins so I can paint the edges as well as the side but only have so many old tins. I'll have to do another batch of base painting
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 September 2022, 05:58:34 AM
Sorted current batch off the painting rods ready for basing :)

Next batch, including bullock carts, undercoated :)  :)

Previous batch photographed :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 September 2022, 07:55:57 AM
HM 84th York & Lancaster Regiment, with 2 x coys HM 64th under command (some with Oxford mix trousers)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ba710Oe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/AJVd1oL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rdHQNTS.jpg)

17th Bengal Native Infantry, from Azimghur

(https://i.imgur.com/IiZWI1S.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1xfWuu4.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/O686aBj.jpg)

6 Bengal Native Infantry Unit commanders
Under Volley & Bayonet the BNI units would not normally have unit commanders to reflect their historically reduced tactical flexibility.  tactical flexibility is required.

1st, 12th, Combined 6th, 10th & 48th Bengal Native Infantry

(https://i.imgur.com/NyturXT.jpg)

17th, 53rd, 56th Bengal Native Infantry

(https://i.imgur.com/wVHbE4f.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 September 2022, 07:58:58 AM
Painted & Based
304 
Foot
59 
Mounted
Models
  363 
Total
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 26 September 2022, 02:34:35 PM
Cracking work once again Paul 8) .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: d_Guy on 26 September 2022, 05:25:17 PM
Looking good!
 :-bd  :-bd
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 26 September 2022, 07:23:54 PM
Another great looking set of units. I do like the look you have for these troops - I think its a combination of the painting, the formations, the labels and the basing. All come together to give a great end result. 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 26 September 2022, 10:21:06 PM
Ohh very nice indeed
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Post by: Chris Pringle on 27 September 2022, 07:05:27 AM
Very nice indeed. When do you anticipate these will get their first game?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 27 September 2022, 09:38:17 AM
Not sure when they will get their first game :-\

First, I need the weather to settle enough so I can get them varnished :-w

Next, I need to find a slot in our regular groups schedule, I'm guessing late October or early November

That should give me enough time to add some more Indian cavalry and some undrilled troops; Nowabie, Zemindars, Badmash & Levies :!!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 27 September 2022, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: paulr on 27 September 2022, 09:38:17 AMNot sure when they will get their first game :-\

First, I need the weather to settle enough so I can get them varnished :-w


Have you tried brush on varnish? It's quick to apply, gets better coverage than spray on, and you can use it year-round (so when it's -30 outside in winter, or 40 and humid in summer, here in Toronto).
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 27 September 2022, 07:06:17 PM
I know it works well for some people, but I've had trouble with brush on varnish in the past:
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 28 September 2022, 07:37:10 AM
Finished painting most of the bases for the next batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 September 2022, 07:39:21 AM
Started painting the rest of the bases for the next batch, plus a few extras :)

Base coated the horses, bullocks and carts of the next batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Leon on 29 September 2022, 05:36:09 PM
Always good to see a project progressing quickly!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 September 2022, 08:42:21 AM
A bit of a slow day today ;)

Touched up base coat on horses and bullocks :)

Dry brushed bullock carts :)

Painted another side of the rest of the bases for the next batch, plus a few extras :)

Glued magnetic vinyl to most of the bases for the next batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 01 October 2022, 08:04:09 PM
An even slower day yesterday, but partly due to a game in the evening :)
https://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,21409.msg348039.html#msg348039 (https://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,21409.msg348039.html#msg348039)

Dry brushed horses and bullocks :)

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 02 October 2022, 05:02:08 AM
Based the previous batch #:-S :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 02 October 2022, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: Nick the Lemming on 27 September 2022, 12:51:37 PMHave you tried brush on varnish? It's quick to apply, gets better coverage than spray on, and you can use it year-round (so when it's -30 outside in winter, or 40 and humid in summer, here in Toronto).

Yes, as you say.  More reliable - no misting, no rough finish and better cover - altogether better.   
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Ithoriel on 02 October 2022, 08:01:48 PM
I've had misting on both brush on and spray varnish, though both are a very rare occurrence and easily remedied.

I find spray varnish massively faster to apply and have had no problem with coverage.

Each to their own, though.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 03 October 2022, 08:45:32 AM
Touched up flock on previous batch :)

Glued on artillery pieces for the previous batch :)

Painted another side of the rest of the bases for the current batch, plus a few extras :)

Started base coating the jackets of the current batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 October 2022, 07:13:15 AM
Added and edged flags on previous batch :) :)

Finished base coating the jackets/shirts of the current batch :)

Dry brushed the jackets/shirts of the current batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 October 2022, 08:01:53 AM
Also, the weather was fine today, and I worked from home ;)

Ferozepore Regiment Brasyer's Sikhs

(https://i.imgur.com/XjkvGey.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3LKogmZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sQqxPzI.jpg)

Elements of 6th, 10th, 48th Bengal Native Infantry from Futteghar and Allahabad
This unit is only about 240 men so is represented by one normal stand plus a detachment armed with rifled muskets

(https://i.imgur.com/ccNDnZa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9FcaAsY.jpg)

12th Bengal Native Infantry One wing, from Nowong
This unit is only about 240 men so is represented by one normal stand plus a detachment

(https://i.imgur.com/shabFao.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tBjGNqY.jpg)

HM & Company Artillery

(https://i.imgur.com/rVul5Dy.jpg)

Capt Wm. OlphertsCapt. Francis MaudeMaj. Vincent Eyre
No. 2 Coy/3rd Bn., No. 12 Light Field Bty,     No. 3 Coy/8th Bn.,   No. 1 Coy/5th Bn., No. 3 Heavy Field Bty,   
Bengal Artillery    Royal Artillery    Bengal Artillery 
5 x 9-pdrs, 1 x 24-pdr howitzer    5 x 9-pdrs, 1 x 24-pdr howitzer    4 x 24-pdrs, 2 x 8-inch howitzers   

(https://i.imgur.com/QPOYVBd.jpg)

Indian Artillery

(https://i.imgur.com/zXOUGkJ.jpg)

No 1. Field Bty, Oude Irregular Artillery     No. 18 Light Field Battery, Bengal Artillery   Remaining guns 
9-pdrs    9-pdrs      2 x 6-pdrs, 1 x 12-pdr, 1 x 24-pdr heavy gun,     
from Nowong1 x 10-in mortar, 1 x 5.5 in. brass mortar

(https://i.imgur.com/K6RIEON.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 October 2022, 08:08:30 AM
Painted & Based
395 
Foot
59 
Mounted
Models
  460 
Total
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 October 2022, 08:45:54 AM
A while ago Fred made this comment
Quote...
I feel that a lot of thought has gone into the figure composition of these, as well as the research into units and the painting.
...
I was reminded of this while painting the above as there are a couple of good examples of how, sometimes, history helps with the figure composition and painting.

The elements of 6th, 10th, 48th Bengal Native Infantry is an interesting small composite unit. The 48th Bengal Native Infantry was one of 15 BNI units that had attached rifle companies and this unit included two companies from the 48th. This gave me the excuse to give the Indians a detachment armed with rifled muskets. But they would need to stand out on table as a unique unit. British tradition assisted, the BNI rifle companies wore green, so...

(https://i.imgur.com/9FcaAsY.jpg)

The second example was the Ferozepore Regiment, a Sikh regiment with a European commanding officer, Captain Jeremiah Brasyer.

Pack MUB3 Sikh Infantry would work well for the troops but the officer figure was also Sikh. The pose of the officer from MUB2 Infantry in Campaign dress, even with the pistol removed and the arm bent down didn't fit well with the Sikh Infantry poses. The pose of the officer from MUB1 Infantry in Home Service dress would probably work but the home service dress would be in marked contrast to the Sikh's in native dress.

I did a bit more research on Captain Jeremiah Brasyer and stumbled on this photograph of him as a Lt Colonel in 1858, still of the 14th Sikhs, Ferozepore Regiment. The Sikh officer figure would work :)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-9s1S8UwAASoyI?format=jpg&name=medium) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-9s1S8UwAASoyI?format=jpg&name=medium)
(https://i.imgur.com/XjkvGey.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 04 October 2022, 09:37:10 AM
Outstanding as usual Paul  :-bd

Must remember to avoid standing any decent units in front of those British 3-7 Fld batteries, they're pretty powerful in V&B terms.

Interesting that one of the units you depict is the 14th Sikhs, the Ferozepore Regiment. That Regiment fought at Chunuk Bair on Gallipoli in August 1915 (with 3 Ghurka battalions) as part of the 29th Indian Infantry Brigade alongside Lt Col Malone and the Wellington Battalion amongst other NZ troops.....hmmm :-\ 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 04 October 2022, 09:39:26 AM
Lovely work as always Paul and nicely taken photos really show them in their best light 8) .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 04 October 2022, 12:25:22 PM
Great work,love thecolonel too!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 October 2022, 07:13:43 PM
QuoteOutstanding as usual Paul  :-bd

Must remember to avoid standing any decent units in front of those British 3-7 Fld batteries, they're pretty powerful in V&B terms.

Interesting that one of the units you depict is the 14th Sikhs, the Ferozepore Regiment. That Regiment fought at Chunuk Bair on Gallipoli in August 1915 (with 3 Ghurka battalions) as part of the 29th Indian Infantry Brigade alongside Lt Col Malone and the Wellington Battalion amongst other NZ troops.....hmmm :-\ 

ME23 Indian foot in turban
(https://39.cdn.ekm.net/ekmps/shops/89204c/images/-n-ME23-n-Indian-foot-in-turban-3098-p.jpg?v=129e769d-d879-49da-8b8b-95a29a1eb609)
BP17 Indian Infantry, also BP18 Lewis BP19 Vickers
(https://39.cdn.ekm.net/ekmps/shops/89204c/images/-n-bp17-n-indian-infantry-2891-1-p.jpg?v=8F245050-496C-4058-AC7D-40099078F63E)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 04 October 2022, 07:25:54 PM
Another set of great looking units!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 09 October 2022, 05:29:55 AM
I've been making slow progress on the current batch, a large number of Indian cavalry and some bullock carts

I'm trying a slightly different approach, painting all the items of a particular colour

I've done red which includes headgear, sashes, trousers, and quarters or halves of saddle clothes depending on the unit

I've started on yellow ochre which includes breeches, tack, and quarters or halves of saddle clothes depending on the unit

I'm not sure yet whether this is a better approach than my normal, paint all the trousers, then head gear...
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 12 October 2022, 09:16:38 AM
Made some more progress on the yellow ochre, tack and parts of saddle blankets on two regiments of Oudh Irregular Cavalry :)

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 13 October 2022, 09:49:26 AM
Made more progress today :)

I've moved back to my usual approach of painting particular parts of the figures and it works better for me

I've base coated all the trousers/breaches :)

Base coated all the headgear :)
Some headgear still needs a second colour added or dry brushing
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 15 October 2022, 04:43:08 AM
Trousers dry brushed :)

Some headgear dry brushed :)

Picking up some paint and new brushed at our game tonight 
Mrs Pierre the Shy kindly picked them up from our Friendly Local Gaming Store, over an hour drive away, as she was up that way yesterday =D>  =D>  =D>
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 15 October 2022, 07:29:28 PM
Brushes and paint successfully collected last night :)
Although I did nearly leave them at ours hosts  #-o

Unfortunately, the day has dawned fine and sunny, so I have no excuses not to tackle my overgrown lawns today :-[

Painting should resume this evening
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 16 October 2022, 09:14:08 AM
Lawns beaten into something resembling submission #:-S

You don't really notice how worn your brushes are getting until you get some new ones ;)

Headgear finished :)

Saddle blankets for two units finished :)

Boots, scabbards, belts done for two units :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 18 October 2022, 05:01:59 AM
Boots, scabbards, belts done for two more units :)

Labeled bases for four units :)

Finished painting more bases for this batch plus some extras ready for the next batch :)

Started painting the last bases for this batch plus some extras ready for the future batches :)

As I've mentioned I put bases on old Humbrol paint tins so I can paint the edges at the same time as a side. I make sure I use all available tins for each batch of bases
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 19 October 2022, 09:20:32 AM
Boots, scabbards, belts done the rest of this batch :)

Magnetic vinyl glued to more bases for this batch plus some extras ready for the next batch :)

Finished painting the last bases for this batch plus some extras ready for the future batches :)

Sashes, saddle blankets and tack done on the Nowabie Horse

Weapons done :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 20 October 2022, 08:50:01 AM
Made a good start on manes and hooves :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 21 October 2022, 07:29:45 AM
Finished manes and hooves :)

Last bases for this batch labeled :)

Stars, blazes, snips and socks done :)

Skin and hair done :)

Skin highlights to do and this batch will be ready to touch up :!!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 21 October 2022, 09:43:33 AM
Skin highlights and touch ups done :)  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: d_Guy on 21 October 2022, 04:10:39 PM
Curious, Paul, do use a particular brand or style of brush? Typically what sizes do you use?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 22 October 2022, 01:58:59 AM
Our friendly local gaming store stocks Army Painter brushes and I mainly use their Detail and Insane Detail brushes

I think they are equivalent to 0 and 000 in more usual sizing
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 22 October 2022, 02:02:29 AM
Current batch washed this morning :)

Next batch, some Badmash & levies, prepared and washed :)

Started painting the next batch of bases :)

Weather has warmed up enough for me to start varnishing all the stuff already painted :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 22 October 2022, 09:26:17 AM
Finished painting the next batch of bases :)

Spray varnished the based figures :)
Some labels and flags will need a coat of brush on varnish

Final dry brush done on the current batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 22 October 2022, 03:44:48 PM
Glad to see you ploughing on Paul. Painting cum motivation very hard to find here at present due to real life intrusions.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 October 2022, 01:57:04 AM
I find painting almost meditative and a useful distraction from real life
I'm fortunate that currently my real-life intrusions are less intrusive than many others 

Figure bases painted on the current batch, two coats :)

The next batch are waiting for that to dry so they can get on the rods and be undercoated :-w

Spray varnished the terrain that needed it :)

Brush on varnish done on labels and flags that needed it :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 23 October 2022, 02:17:14 AM
QuoteI find painting almost meditative and a useful distraction from real life


Me too. When things are at a fairly steady state. But like Steve if general life gets a bit much, it is hard to get started with painting. But when ever I do its a good thing
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 October 2022, 05:12:40 AM
Current batch sorted ready for basing :)

Next batch undercoated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 October 2022, 07:52:49 AM
Looking carefully at the next batch I have a question about two of the poses of MUT5 Civilian insurgents / Badmash

(https://39.cdn.ekm.net/ekmps/shops/89204c/images/-n-MUT5-n-Civilian-insurgents-Badmash-2704-p.jpg?v=129e769d-d879-49da-8b8b-95a29a1eb609)
Are the left and central figures wearing shirts or do they have bare torsos & arms :-\
The right figure is clearly wearing a shirt but all three have bare feet
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 October 2022, 09:22:43 AM
I'd say bare chested
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 23 October 2022, 01:05:44 PM
yeah, me too.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 23 October 2022, 01:51:45 PM
Bare chest, bare chest, shirt.

But, in 10mm I find it's simple enough to paint a shirt where none was sculpted.
Sometimes it's also possible to paint a bare chest where a sculpted shirt is sufficiently form-fitting.

Details like rolled-up sleeves can be disguised as a bangle.
A lack of muscle definition; well, I look sadly  in a mirror ...
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 October 2022, 11:38:09 PM
Thanks all, bare chested makes sense given the economic status of the Badmash and Levies :)

Magnetic vinyl glued on next batch of bases last night :)

Next batch shirts base coated, for those that have them :)

Bases for the next batch labeled :)

About two thirds of the current batch based :)
I underestimated the amount of basing mixture I needed :(
I'll mix up another batch after lunch

Painting & basing is not a bad way to spend the Labour Day holiday ;)
Really should mow the lawns later this afternoon


Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 24 October 2022, 02:02:54 AM
Remainder of the current batch based :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 25 October 2022, 05:06:01 AM
Flock touched up :)

Flags added and edged :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 October 2022, 07:57:23 AM
I've been making steady progress on the next batch, details done & skin base coated :)  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 October 2022, 08:16:30 AM
I also took some pictures during my lunch break while working from home

13th Bengal Irregular Cavalry, from Azimghur

(https://i.imgur.com/iYbTW4u.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/E52nQhk.jpg)

14th Bengal Irregular Cavalry, one squadron from Nowong & Bengal Irregular Cavalry Brigade commander

(https://i.imgur.com/GY94qz2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VaGGDSU.jpg)

1st Oudh Irregular Cavalry, of Lucknow & Oudh Irregular Cavalry Brigade commander

(https://i.imgur.com/SrqN1u7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VvB1H8P.jpg)

3rd Oudh Irregular Cavalry, of Lucknow

(https://i.imgur.com/wENY9Qt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/V1Jx1mR.jpg)

A 'brigade' of two regiments of Nowabie Cavalry including their leader
These units are on deeper bases as they are non-drilled

(https://i.imgur.com/zx3WSSR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HzPp69R.jpg)

3 Bullock carts, a cart as a barricade & a pair of spare Bullocks
Some baggage to be protected in some scenarios

(https://i.imgur.com/UxolFzV.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Qv1Mfxn.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 October 2022, 08:23:32 AM
Painted & Based
395 
Foot
128 
Mounted
18 
Models
  541 
Total
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 26 October 2022, 10:48:56 AM
Love how weathered they look, superb work.  8)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 26 October 2022, 10:56:51 AM
These look great Paul 

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 26 October 2022, 06:35:45 PM
very nice as usual  :-bd

Look forward to seeing these guys on the table in due course.

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: hammurabi70 on 27 October 2022, 12:26:05 AM
Quote13th Bengal Irregular Cavalry, from Azimghur

(https://i.imgur.com/iYbTW4u.jpg)

Very impressive.  How is the terrain on the bases done?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: d_Guy on 27 October 2022, 02:44:09 AM
:-bd
काफी बढ़िया

You continue to do 10mm honour, sir!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 27 October 2022, 07:08:40 AM
I use a mix of wall filler (spackle), paint and PVA

I coat the top of the figure bases with PVA then spread the basing mixture over the base

The figures are placed into the mixture, it is then smoothed over the edges of the figure base

The base is then dipped into the flock mixture, in this case mainly desert sand with several different grades of ballast as stones

Once fully dry I usually need to touch up the flock in a few places using PVA
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 27 October 2022, 07:10:30 AM
Quote:-bd
काफी बढ़िया

You continue to do 10mm honour, sir!

धन्यवाद
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 27 October 2022, 07:15:54 AM
I've finished painting and touch ups on the now current batch :)  :)

Progress is much faster on a smallish batch of foot ;)

Prepared and washed the next batch, more Badmash and Levies :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 28 October 2022, 07:02:30 AM
Washed the current batch this morning :)

Final dry brush and first coat on the figure bases done this evening :)  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 October 2022, 04:20:36 AM
Second coat on the figure bases done last night :)

Current batch sorted ready for basing :)

Next batch on the painting rods, waiting for the weather to improve so they can be undercoated :-w

Finished painting bases for the next batch, including a few spares :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 October 2022, 10:20:16 PM
Glued magnetic vinyl to the bases for the next batch last night :)

Labeled the bases for the next batch this morning :)

Based the current batch :)

Waiting for the wind to drop and things to dry out a bit before I undercoat the next batch :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 October 2022, 03:38:45 AM
Wind has dropped & its sunny, next batch undercoated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 30 October 2022, 07:19:43 AM
Cracking work on the cavalry Paul 8) .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 31 October 2022, 05:49:42 AM
Flock touched up :)

I may get some jackets base coated on the next batch tonight, if I can gather the enthusiasm :!! 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 01 November 2022, 07:13:41 AM
Didn't gather sufficient enthusiasm last night  :(

Managed to get jackets base coated and dry brushed today :)  :)

Also took some picces of the last batch as it was sunny this afternoon
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 01 November 2022, 07:19:07 AM
Badmash - great mob of zemindars, &c, of neighboring districts, who came well-armed to assist the Nana
Two units of non-drilled Badmash and their leader

(https://i.imgur.com/oSzGfJ9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8UxWMqW.jpg)

Badmash & Levies from Cawnpore
A unit of non-drilled Badmash & a unit of Levies

(https://i.imgur.com/7M6zMuE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/WfnKVgt.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 01 November 2022, 07:22:21 AM
Painted & Based
457 
Foot
128 
Mounted
18 
Models
  603 
Total
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 01 November 2022, 07:37:51 AM
Blimey those 6-5 Badmash units are pretty strong in V&B terms, even if only partially trained!   
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 01 November 2022, 05:48:08 PM
These look good (again)!

Which pack are the officer figures from, I don't recognise those, but have most of the others you have on these bases?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 01 November 2022, 06:34:59 PM
Very effective
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 01 November 2022, 06:55:04 PM
QuoteThese look good (again)!

Which pack are the officer figures from, I don't recognise those, but have most of the others you have on these bases?

MUT8 Feudal command

Leon kindly provided them without the standard bearers, working out appropriate standards was going to be difficult & fraught with peril
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 02 November 2022, 06:15:30 AM
Made good progress on the current batch

Trousers base coated & dry brushed :)  :)

Headgear done :)

Sheilds base coated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 03 November 2022, 05:54:46 AM
Shoes, musket stocks, sashes done :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 05 November 2022, 05:34:12 PM
Good progress yesterday:
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 08 November 2022, 07:20:26 AM
Hair done :)

Skin highlights done :)

Touch ups done :)

Next batch of figures prepared and washed :)

Started painting the bases for the next batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 November 2022, 08:02:51 AM
"Paul's production line, how can we help you?"  ;)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 09 November 2022, 08:17:03 AM
Current batch washed this morning :)

Finished painting the bases for the next batch :)

Next batch of figures sorted ready for the painting rods  :-w

Current batch, final dry brush and 2 coats on the figure bases done this evening :)  :)

Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 10 November 2022, 07:54:05 AM
Magnetic vinyl glued to the bases for the next batch :)

Current batch sorted ready for basing :)

Next batch undercoated :)

Current batch based :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: mmcv on 10 November 2022, 08:34:16 PM
Those Badmash are lovely! Stellar work as usual Paul 
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 11 November 2022, 06:20:25 AM
Flock touched up on the current batch :)

'Jackets' base coated and highlighted on the next batch :)

'Trousers' base coated and highlighted on the next batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 12 November 2022, 07:00:26 PM
Made some progress yesterday despite three very enjoyable distractions :)

Distractions:
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 13 November 2022, 08:08:32 AM
Rest of the sashes and headgear done :)

Other details done :)

Skin base coated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 15 November 2022, 07:49:40 AM
Hair done & skin highlighted  :)  :)

Touch ups done :)

Next batch prepared and washed :)

Current batch washed this evening :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 16 November 2022, 07:01:19 AM
Final dry brush & two coats on the figure bases this morning on the current batch  :)  :)

Current batch sorted ready for basing this afternoon :)

Next batch undercoated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 16 November 2022, 06:47:42 PM
Quote...
Current batch sorted ready for basing this afternoon :)
...

To clarify, the above should have read
This afternoon the current batch were sorted ready for basing :)

Piccies are still some way away ;)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: FierceKitty on 17 November 2022, 12:46:46 AM
Basing the new Indians.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 17 November 2022, 06:15:32 AM
'Jackets', 'trousers' and head gear done on the next batch :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: John Cook on 18 November 2022, 01:51:36 AM
Quote from: paulr on 16 November 2022, 06:47:42 PMTo clarify, the above should have read
This afternoon the current batch were sorted ready for basing :)

Piccies are still some way away ;)

Oh no!  I have been worrying about that all day  :o
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 18 November 2022, 06:04:19 AM
 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 19 November 2022, 07:22:21 AM
More progress on the next batch:
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 20 November 2022, 03:21:19 AM
Finished painting the next batch, including touch ups :)
Wash & figure bases to do once fully dry :-w

Magnetic vinyl glued to bases :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 22 November 2022, 04:44:28 AM
Next batch washed last night :)

Bases for next and next next batch labeled :)  :)

Next batch final dry brush & figure bases done today :)  :)

Started preparing the next next batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 November 2022, 12:45:43 AM
Finished preparing the next next batch :)

Next batch sorted ready for basing :)

Next next batch undercoated :)

Started painting more bases :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 23 November 2022, 12:49:33 AM
Next labels already in the car for delivery on Saturday O:-)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 November 2022, 06:46:56 PM
#:-S  ;)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 24 November 2022, 06:12:45 PM
Good progress on the next next batch:
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 25 November 2022, 08:15:28 AM
Musket stocks done :)

Belts done :)

Cartridge cases base coated :)

Shoes, boots & scabbards done :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 25 November 2022, 09:22:56 PM
Next batch based :)

Some of the current batch based :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 November 2022, 09:37:00 PM
The rest of the current batch labeled and based :)  :)

Flock touched up on the next batch and the some of the current batch :)  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 28 November 2022, 07:36:48 AM
Flags added & edges touched up on the next batch :)

Flock touched up on the rest of the current batch :)

Bases for the following couple of batches labeled :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 November 2022, 07:15:10 AM
Back to painting the next next batch, details finished, skin base coated :)  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 November 2022, 03:05:13 AM
Next next batch painting, including touch ups done :)

The following batch prepared and washed :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 November 2022, 04:35:45 AM
There were quite a few based units backed up and the weather cleared briefly between heavy showers so...

Three 'Nowabie regiments' from Cawnpore
The Nana Sahib's personal retinue; three non-drilled regiments of matchlockmen, two detachments of matchlockmen and their leader

(https://i.imgur.com/u22ZdRe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/empM3MZ.jpg)

Indian civilians

(https://i.imgur.com/0T7gVgA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qEZWyTn.jpg)

British Civilians

(https://i.imgur.com/WNELkCD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MiO1wrQ.jpg)

HM 5th Northumberland Fusiliers

(https://i.imgur.com/Hx8KK8I.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/fVQG2I8.jpg)

And as detachments

(https://i.imgur.com/25W5hu9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JSpfqZj.jpg)

2nd Oude Irregular Infantry
Part of the Oude Irregular Force raised in 1856, mainly from former members of the King of Oude's army. The Force mutinied comprehensively

(https://i.imgur.com/WG0eiE9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/B7vO2nJ.jpg)

Detachments and optional Unit commander

(https://i.imgur.com/8hEyJFj.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 November 2022, 04:47:50 AM
Painted & Based
690 
Foot
130 
Mounted
18 
Models
  838 
Total
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: collegialhoagie on 30 November 2022, 10:01:47 AM
Fantastic work as always!  =D>
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 30 November 2022, 12:17:18 PM
Another great set of units

I feel I have asked about the different sized bases already- so feel free to point me at an earlier response!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 30 November 2022, 06:06:06 PM
Great stuff Paul, they all look very good indeed.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 30 November 2022, 06:39:59 PM
Quote...
I feel I have asked about the different sized bases already- so feel free to point me at an earlier response!
Easier to answer it again than hunt out the earlier answer

3"x3" are non-drilled troops - move slightly faster, don't fight quite as well in some circumstances - troops that don't have sergeants/havildars shouting at them

3"x1.5" are drilled troops - the majority of troops in this period

1.5"x1.5" are detachments - small ~80 men units with specific weapons e.g. rifled muskets, or tasks e.g. occupying a hamlet or skirmishing (when they are placed on 3"x1.5" skirmishing sabots)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 30 November 2022, 07:33:35 PM
Wonderful work and thanks for explaining what the different base sizes refer to.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 30 November 2022, 08:07:09 PM
Thanks Paul, the bases sizes are a bit bigger than I had thought, the 3x3" will be quite imposing on the table!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 02 December 2022, 05:25:26 AM
The now current batch has been sorted ready for basing :)

The next batch has been undercoated :)

More bases have been painted :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 02 December 2022, 07:11:34 AM
Last batch look great
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 03 December 2022, 07:55:41 AM
Current batch based :)

Horses of the next batch base coated and dry brushed :)  :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 04 December 2022, 05:38:50 AM
Flock touched up, flags added & edged on current batch :)  :)

Jackets, shirts, trousers & hats base coated and dry brushed on one regiment of the next batch :)  :)  :)

Jackets & shirts base coated and dry brushed on the other regiment of the next batch :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 06 December 2022, 04:12:14 AM
HM 90th Perthshire Volunteers
Seven companies arrived late in the campaign, 15 September, making them the largest battalion in Havelock's force.

(https://i.imgur.com/9w515xN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0xbCECc.jpg)

And as detachments. They had been issued with rifled muskets on the way up to Allahabad and so all are able to skirmish

(https://i.imgur.com/G51lVAS.jpg)

5th Oude Irregular Infantry

(https://i.imgur.com/KhM9Vci.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/XJJ1VUQ.jpg)

Detachments and optional Unit commander

(https://i.imgur.com/DrlBuDz.jpg)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 06 December 2022, 04:16:56 AM
Painted & Based
801 
Foot
130 
Mounted
18 
Models
  949 
Total
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: fred. on 06 December 2022, 07:51:19 AM
Excellent stuff!

Lots of progress, especially as you seem to be doing each unit twice, with full sized bases and detachment bases
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 06 December 2022, 02:43:15 PM
The full massed effect is going to be a hard one to beat when it comes to the next painting competition.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 07 December 2022, 05:39:25 AM
Piping, saddle blankets and rolls done on one regiment :) :)

Trousers and head gear base coated and dry brushed on the other regiment :)

Collars, cuffs and trouser welt done on the other regiment :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 08 December 2022, 12:08:10 AM
Very effective work on the Pembrokes
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 08 December 2022, 06:51:41 PM
Cartridge boxes base coated and dry brushed :)
Boots done :)
Saddle blankets, rolls, bags done :)
Tack done :)
Lance shafts done :)
Musket stocks done :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 09 December 2022, 06:46:57 PM
Musket barrels, swords, scabbards, lance points done :)
Belts done :)
Manes, tails, hooves, socks, stars, snips, blazes done :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 10 December 2022, 10:59:55 PM
Brass done :)
Steel highlighted :)
Skin base coated :)
Beards, moustaches & sideburns done :)
Skin highlighted :)

Varnishing marathon done on about half the project that hadn't been varnished #:-S
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 11 December 2022, 04:14:23 AM
Next batch prepared and washed :)
Touch ups done :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 11 December 2022, 08:26:56 AM
Next batch undercoated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 13 December 2022, 02:02:01 AM
Current batch washed last night :)

Final dry brush and two coats on the figure bases done this morning before it got too hot to paint :)  :)  #:-S
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 13 December 2022, 06:33:26 PM
Horses base coated for the next batch late last night :)

Horses dry brushed this morning before it gets too hot to paint :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 14 December 2022, 06:27:49 PM
Last night once it had cooled down:

So far this morning:

Hopefully the rain or showers forecast for today will cool things off enough to allow painting to continue
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 15 December 2022, 05:59:53 AM
Good progress today

Boots, belts and scabbards done :)
Manes, tails, hooves, socks, blazes, stars and snips done :)
Tack done :)
Weapons base coated and highlighted :)
Various details done :) 
Skin base coated :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 15 December 2022, 08:27:03 AM
Hair, beards & moustaches done :)

Skin highlighted :)

Touch ups done :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 16 December 2022, 07:51:08 PM
The current batch was washed yesterday morning  :)

Final dry brush and two coats on the figure bases done last night :)  :)

This morning I based the last two batches :)  :)  #:-S

I also flocked some more skirmisher sabots and sorted out some firing markers ready to paint :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 17 December 2022, 06:26:57 AM
Painted firing markers :)

Sorted & started painting the next batch of firing markers :)

Prepared some smoke for the firing markers :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 18 December 2022, 08:02:46 AM
Touched up flock on troops :)

Flocked first couple of batches of firing markers :)

Flags & pennants added, edges done :)

Glued smoke to first batch of firing markers :)

Painting last of the markers :)  :!!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 19 December 2022, 05:18:49 AM
Progress continues on firing and march markers :)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 20 December 2022, 02:13:59 AM
Firing and march markers done :)
Apart from some tidying up once glue fully dry :-w
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 December 2022, 03:28:11 AM
The weather still hasn't cooperated enough for varnishing :(

But it did cooperate enough for pictures :)

HM 9th Lancers, 2 x squadrons, Major Henry Ouvry

(https://i.imgur.com/fdGQwVF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/V04cr9Q.jpg)

2nd Battalion, Military Train, 2 x squadrons, Major James Robertson
This was a logistic unit diverted to India from the aborted China Expedition. As the unit contained many former cavalrymen, at a time when mounted troops were in critically short supply, it was re-roled as an ad hoc cavalry unit of two squadrons, using horses stripped out of the 8th Madras Cavalry

(https://i.imgur.com/fED8nkM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VbOR99f.jpg)

1st & 2nd Punjaub Cavalry, 1 squadron of loyal Sikhs from each regiment
Lieutenant John Watson (1st Punjaub Cavalry), as senior Lieutenant, commanded the 3 Punjab squadrons and the squadron of Hodson's Horse

(https://i.imgur.com/7DvgWqb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1I0GMq8.jpg)

5th Punjaub Cavalry, Hodson's Horse & Brigade Commander, 1 squadron of loyal Sikhs from each regiment
Hodson's Horse was a hastily raised Sikh irregular cavlry unit that grew to three regiments

(https://i.imgur.com/Uxj9hbz.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jXfyLZF.jpg)

The Cavalry Brigade was commanded by Brigadier Archibald Little, HM 9th Lancers

The brigade was part of General Sir Colin Campbell's second relief of Lucknow in November 1857

Including it provides Brigadier General Henry Havelock's force with the option of a reasonable cavalry component in contrast to the small number of volunteers and some loyal sowars of the 12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry actually available
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 December 2022, 03:31:02 AM
Painted & Based
837 
Foot
183 
Mounted
18 
Models
  1,038 
Total

And that completes the painting for this project
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: d_Guy on 23 December 2022, 05:22:34 AM
Excellent  :-bd
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: DecemDave on 23 December 2022, 09:02:29 AM
beautiful work.  :-bd
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 23 December 2022, 02:04:59 PM
The Punjab Cavalry look really great to me and the rest is not too shabby either 8) .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 23 December 2022, 06:07:45 PM
Quote... the rest is not too shabby either 8) .
I should hope so, the 9th Lancers were well known for the maintenance of strict standards of dress, they have even blancoed their belts ;)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 25 December 2022, 09:47:16 PM
The weather has cooperated enough for varnishing  :)

In fact, I made a point of varnishing reasonably early because its forecast to be 28° C (72° F) this afternoon

I hope forum members, and others, in North America are managing to keep safe and warm
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 26 December 2022, 11:18:38 PM
Spent a very pleasant 3 hours playing a solo game with some of the troops from this project :)  :)  :D

AAR with piccies to follow ;)
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 29 December 2022, 02:15:51 AM
I've played a couple more test games and am pleased with how the rules variant is playing after a couple of minor tweaks :)  #:-S

I've piccies for two of the games so really should do some AARs :!!

The third game was a rather contrived test of defending a village against long range fire to try and break the variation. They stood up well and it ended in an incredibly tight finish  :-SS #:-S
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 10 March 2023, 07:17:19 AM
Army reviewed by Nana Sahib at Cawnpore, India 28 June 1857

(https://i.imgur.com/tDff9qx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8bepFp4.jpg)
Front to rear
Bengal Light Cavalry Brigade - 2nd & 7th Bengal Light Cavalry
Bengal Irregular Cavalry Brigade - 13th & 14th Bengal Irregular Cavalry from Azimghur & Nowong
Badmash, part of the great mob of zemindars and newly raised levies of neighbouring districts, who came well-armed to assist the Nana

(https://i.imgur.com/N9mcAkg.jpg)
1st Bengal Infantry Brigade, front to rear
   1st Bengal Native Infantry, of Cawnpore
   53rd Bengal Native Infantry, of Cawnpore
   56th Bengal Native Infantry, of Cawnpore
Flanked by No. 18 Light Field Battery from Nowong and the 'remaining guns'
Nana Sahib, centre right

(https://i.imgur.com/F8leakj.jpg)
2nd Bengal Infantry Brigade and Oudh Infantry Brigade, front to rear
17th Bengal Native Infantry, from Azimghur   2nd Oude Irregular Infantry
Elements of 6th, 10th, 48th Bengal Native Infantry   5th Oude Irregular Infantry
  & a wing of 12th Bengal Native Infantry, from Nowong     
Civilians   Bullock carts
Flanked by No. 18 Light Field Battery from Nowong and No 1. Field Bty, Oude Irregular Artillery

(https://i.imgur.com/q2m1AY6.jpg)
Front to rear
Oudh Irregular Cavalry Brigade - 1st & 2nd Oudh Irregular Cavalry, of Lucknow
Nowabie Foot                        Nowabie Horse
Two half-regiments of newly raised levies from Cawnpore
Badmash, part of the great mob of zemindars of neighbouring districts, who came well-armed to assist the Nana
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 10 March 2023, 07:47:57 AM
Reinforced Oude Field Force
First Relief of Lucknow, 25 September 1857

(https://i.imgur.com/kG6L1cQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IoHy8Od.jpg)
Allahabad Volunteer Cavalry - Capt. Lousada. Barrow, 5th Madras Light Cavalry – 109 men
12th Bengal Irregular Cavalry - A/Capt. Wm. Johnson, 6th BNI. (Mostly Sikhs) – 59 men
Maude's Battery, No. 3 Coy/8th Bn., RA - Capt. Francis Maude

(https://i.imgur.com/8zdF0Di.jpg)
Maude's Battery, No. 3 Coy/8th Bn., RA - Capt. Francis Maude
1st Infantry Brigade - Brig. James Neill, 1st Madras Fusiliers
  HM 5th (Northumberland Fusiliers) RegimentHM 84th (York & Lancaster) Regiment
     - Maj. James Simmons - 420 men (Nos 1, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, & 10 Coys)        - Capt. Frederic Willis - 190+227 men (With 2 x coys HM 64th under command)
  1st Madras Fusiliers ('Neill's Bluecaps') HM 64th (2nd Staffordshire) Regiment
     - Maj. John Stephenson – 376 men   - Maj. Thomas Stirling - 435 men [reinforcement]
Olpherts' Battery, No. 2 Coy/3rd Bn. with No. 12 Light Field Battery, Bengal Artillery. - Capt Wm. Olpherts
Brig. (Maj.) George Cooper - Artillery Commander
Brig. Gen. Henry Havelock - Oude Field Force Commander

(https://i.imgur.com/5PSKgbS.jpg)
Olpherts' Battery, No. 2 Coy/3rd Bn. with No. 12 Light Field Battery, Bengal Artillery. - Capt Wm. Olpherts
Brig. (Maj.) George Cooper - Artillery Commander
Brig. Gen. Henry Havelock - Oude Field Force Commander
Civilians
2nd Infantry Brigade   - Col. Walter Hamilton, 78th Highlanders
  HM 78th Highlanders (Ross-shire Buffs) - Lt-Col. Henry Stisted - 26 & 523 men
  HM 90th (Perthshire Volunteers) (Light Infantry) - 7 x coys. - Col. Robert Campbell CB - 28 & 646 men
  Ferozepore Regiment (Brasyer's Sikhs) - Capt. Jeremiah Brasyer - 341 men
Eyre's Battery, No. 3 Heavy Field Battery, (No. 1 Coy/5th Bn.), Bengal Artillery - Maj. Vincent Eyre

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Eyre's Battery, No. 3 Heavy Field Battery, (No. 1 Coy/5th Bn.), Bengal Artillery - Maj. Vincent Eyre
Cavalry Brigade [reinforcement]   - Brig. Archibald Little, HM 9th Lancers
  2nd Bn. Military Train - Maj. James Robertson - 2 x sqns. – 200 men          HM 9th Lancers - Maj. Henry Ouvry - 2 x sqns. – 200 men, estimate

  1st Punjaub Cavalry - Lt. John Watson - 1 x sqn. (Commands Punjaubs & Hodson's Horse)
     Note: the aggregated strength of the three Punjuab Cavalry regiments was about 300 men
  2nd Punjaub Cavalry - Lt. Dighton Probyn - 1 x sqn.
  5th Punjaub Cavalry - Lt. George Younghusband, 13th BNI. - 1 x sqn.
  Hodson's Horse - Lt. Hugh Gough – 160 men
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Techno 3 on 10 March 2023, 07:53:56 AM
VERY nice work !! :-bd
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: hammurabi70 on 10 March 2023, 10:26:22 AM
Great looking bases!  I have two kinds of grass flock and one snow flock.  Is there sand flock or how do you do the bases?
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Steve J on 10 March 2023, 10:52:24 AM
What a superb Durbar there Paul 8) .
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: DecemDave on 10 March 2023, 11:25:36 AM
Truly great pair of armies there for the table.  Presumably the model of the residency is in hand.

But who will be comfortable taking the side of the exploitative colonial oppressors ruthlessly thwarting the just actions of the freedom loving independence fighters?   :d  :d
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Nick the Lemming on 10 March 2023, 01:26:27 PM
Fantastic work Paul!
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: Duke Speedy of Leighton on 10 March 2023, 07:48:32 PM
Cool as
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: pierre the shy on 10 March 2023, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: DecemDave on 10 March 2023, 11:25:36 AMTruly great pair of armies there for the table.  Presumably the model of the residency is in hand.

But who will be comfortable taking the side of the exploitative colonial oppressors ruthlessly thwarting the just actions of the freedom loving independence fighters?   :d  :d

We have recently played one "actual" game with these guys using Paul's V&B wing scale rule adaptation.

Fantastic game both visually and playing wise. A couple of us played the Indians while Paul ran most of the EIC troops.

In the end the drilled EIC troops, most with rifled muskets, inflicted a lot of casualties on the more numerous but overall less formally organised Indian foot. However the EIC cavalry was put under severe pressure by the Indian cavalry and we concluded that both sides would probably withdraw to regroup. Neither sides still intact brigades could take much more before reaching their respective army collapse levels.

A good days gaming.

   
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: d_Guy on 10 March 2023, 09:29:53 PM
Very impressive to see them all shoulder to shoulder, stirrup to stirrup in review, Paul. The Punjabi horse particularly standout (I think that's who they are). What little I know of the events is from the memoirs of one Sir Harry Flashman, VC, a decidedly partisan account. Glad that they have now been exercised and thanks for that account, Peter.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 10 March 2023, 10:24:51 PM
QuoteGreat looking bases!  I have two kinds of grass flock and one snow flock.  Is there sand flock or how do you do the bases?

I paint the bases and figure bases using an appropriately coloured paint from the local DIY store. Then use a mix of filler (spackle), paint and PVA (white glue) to make a paste and coat the base. The figure bases are covered in PVA before they are placed in the paste on the base. The paste is then blended with the figure bases. Finally, the base is dipped in a mix of sand flocks.

After leaving them to dry, at least overnight, I use PVA and flock to touch up any small areas that need it.
Title: Re: Indian Mutiny / First Indian War of Independence Project
Post by: paulr on 10 March 2023, 10:28:02 PM
QuoteTruly great pair of armies there for the table.  Presumably the model of the residency is in hand.

But who will be comfortable taking the side of the exploitative colonial oppressors ruthlessly thwarting the just actions of the freedom loving independence fighters?  :d  :d

I haven't started on the Residency or the rest of Lucknow yet  X_X

Unfortunately, there were more than enough atrocities on all sides of this conflict