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Pendraken Rules! => Cold War Commander => Topic started by: Steve J on 22 June 2022, 07:13:13 AM

Title: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Steve J on 22 June 2022, 07:13:13 AM
Last night I dug out my copy of CWCI to read in the garden, after looking at the new Arab-Israeli ranges. Having played some great games in a campaign way back when set in Germany in the 1980's, I was wondering when we might see some NATO & Warsaw Pact infantry? Also AFV's such as the Chieftain, Leopard, Merkava etc.

The reason I ask is that I'm pondering a sort of Cold War Gone Tepid campaign set in the Balkans area between two ImagiNations countries, but need ideally some of the above. Any info greatly appreciated :) .
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Big Insect on 22 June 2022, 09:04:21 AM
Hi Steve

I must leave the comments about the figure ranges to Leon, but the new Greek, Turkish and Yugoslavian Cold War army lists are on the drawing-board and reasonably well advanced.

The Albanians and Bulgarians are represented in the WarsawPact Grade II lists that are published. But the CWC-I Warsaw Pact Grade II are still very usable.

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Steve J on 22 June 2022, 09:27:42 AM
Thanks Mark. I was planning on using the NATO and Warsaw Pact lists as a guide, but the ones you mentioned will be useful too :) . Really it's a chance to get some favourite toys on the table if truth be told!
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: sultanbev on 22 June 2022, 10:54:46 AM
This will of course lead to at least 3 people asking for Yugoslav vehicles in 10mm...... 8)
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Big Insect on 22 June 2022, 12:13:56 PM
And why not .... a very sensible 'niche' market  ;D
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Steve J on 22 June 2022, 12:27:01 PM
I think there are some 1990's Balkan lists of the old Commanders website, put together by someone that served there IIRC.
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 June 2022, 12:35:31 PM
Wish you'd said that a couple of weeks back, may have saved a lot of reasearch. There are only 3 vehicle Chassis you need and 9 varients in total. There is of course the one off T34 with rounded turret no dobut Dave will produce that one.
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: sultanbev on 22 June 2022, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: Big Insect on 22 June 2022, 12:13:56 PMAnd why not .... a very sensible 'niche' market  ;D
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 June 2022, 12:35:31 PMThere are only 3 vehicle Chassis you need and 9 varients in total. There is of course the one off T34 with rounded turret no dobut Dave will produce that one.

Carefull, you'll be giving Leon sleepless nights!

I'd buy some! Although a 1956 Yugoslav list is pretty cool, it has 88mmL71 PAK43 on cruciform mounts firing home-built APCR, StuG IIIG and the like alongside M47s, M18s, M36s and Sherman 76mm.
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 22 June 2022, 01:53:07 PM
Rather think the 88 is a Flak 36, thats what The Stratigic Balance lists them as, along with 3.7" and 90mm US AA. All the kit you have listed was still around in the 90's hence my headaches, fortuneatly now with Mark.
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Leon on 22 June 2022, 02:54:45 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 22 June 2022, 07:13:13 AMLast night I dug out my copy of CWCI to read in the garden, after looking at the new Arab-Israeli ranges. Having played some great games in a campaign way back when set in Germany in the 1980's, I was wondering when we might see some NATO & Warsaw Pact infantry? Also AFV's such as the Chieftain, Leopard, Merkava etc.

The 1980's US and Soviet sculpts have just landed here so I'll be getting those photo'd tomorrow and uploaded for folks to look at.  Beyond that I'm not sure though, it'll largely depend on how the sales of these new ranges go.

As for vehicles, we're way behind as one of our vehicle designers has had to retire.  We've got a new sculptor that we're working with but it'll take a bit of time to get back on track with the schedule.  We'll have the first of his designs ready for release in the next fortnight or so, which will be T-64s, BMP-1s and a load of M3 halftrack variants.
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Big Insect on 22 June 2022, 04:20:51 PM
Quote from: Leon on 22 June 2022, 02:54:45 PMThe 1980's US and Soviet sculpts have just landed here so I'll be getting those photo'd tomorrow and uploaded for folks to look at.  Beyond that I'm not sure though, it'll largely depend on how the sales of these new ranges go.

As for vehicles, we're way behind as one of our vehicle designers has had to retire.  We've got a new sculptor that we're working with but it'll take a bit of time to get back on track with the schedule.  We'll have the first of his designs ready for release in the next fortnight or so, which will be T-64s, BMP-1s and a load of M3 halftrack variants.

Wonderful news - thanks
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: sultanbev on 22 June 2022, 04:28:18 PM
QuoteRather think the 88 is a Flak 36,

Comes from Bojan, the resident Yugoslav expert on Tanknet
54 PAK43 & PAK43/41 were bought from France in 1959, with 1000x APCBC and 250x HE per gun - they had more guns earlier.
By 1960 they made home made APCR rounds for the gun, giving 1500x AP, 150x HVAP, 300x HE per gun in total.

referenced here:
https://www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/18562-yu-guns-vs-armor-tests-of-1960s/page/8/
" Posted January 14, 2011
    On 1/14/2011 at 7:41 PM, Tuccy said:

    One question: The "US HVAP" used in 88mm M54 subcaliber round was penetrator from M304 HVAP? Or from 76mm? I presume the 90mm, but want to check, just for sure.

90mm M304. Whole projectile was turned down on the lathe, new driving bands installed, and mated with 88/71 case and propellant charge used for PzGr.39."

Mark
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Steve J on 22 June 2022, 05:22:34 PM
Thanks for the update Leon and I'm really looking forward to seeing these new sculpts :) .
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Steve J on 22 June 2022, 08:15:07 PM
The Balkan stuff is in the downloads section, which includes background, rules and lists for the conflict. Hopefully it will be of use...
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Big Insect on 22 June 2022, 09:13:17 PM
Now you have me confused Steve - can you post me to said download section on the Forum (or am I being dim!) ?
Thanks
Mark
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Gwydion on 22 June 2022, 10:27:26 PM
Mark, Balkans (http://www.blitzkrieg-commander.com/Content/Downloads/default.aspx)
15 Jan 08 in CWC downloads - its a zip file - the lists come out in an Excel spreadsheet.
Guy
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Steve J on 23 June 2022, 08:03:41 AM
Thanks for doing this Guy :) . I checked it out last night and it is very comprehensive and put together by Nosher, a member of this Forum way back when. They also have a Yugoslav army list too IIRC.
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Gwydion on 23 June 2022, 10:03:46 AM
Hi Steve, As soon as you said about it I remembered it, and thinking at the time it was posted; "I can't keep adding 'bits' forever"! (As if that worked!)
Glad you don't mind me sticking my oar in!
Yes there is a 1980s Yugoslav list - same page, a little above I think.
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Big Insect on 23 June 2022, 11:15:56 AM
Quote from: Gwydion on 23 June 2022, 10:03:46 AMHi Steve, As soon as you said about it I remembered it, and thinking at the time it was posted; "I can't keep adding 'bits' forever"! (As if that worked!)
Glad you don't mind me sticking my oar in!
Yes there is a 1980s Yugoslav list - same page, a little above I think.

Ah - the old forum - thanks Guy - I have that and it is forming the basis for the current Yugo list.
There are some nice assets there. I'll chat to Leon to see what we can do about transferring some of it across -at some point.

Cheers
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Steve J on 23 June 2022, 01:44:56 PM
The old Forum has lots of really useful stuff on there, not only in the downloads area, but on the Forum itself.
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Big Insect on 23 June 2022, 02:34:19 PM
Transferring the forum threads across might be technical challenge, apparently.

But it is something that I am sure can be considered.

Thanks
Mark
Title: Re: Cold War infantry and AFV's
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 June 2022, 02:51:33 PM
Try using a simple copy and paste Mark, be slow but sure as limited to one post at a time.