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Not heard of any as yet, this is just a preparation when they occure.

Richard Leakey, who, with his parents Mary and Louis, fired my interest in all things early hominid.

I have one of his books stashed away somewhere.

Sidney Poitier :'(  :'(  :'( .

Ronnie Spector  :'(  :'(  :'( . Just loved her records and what a great voice.

Peter Seabrook, gardener and broadcaster, aged 86 :( . An incredibly knowledgeable chap and his input and experience will be greatly missed.

QuoteSidney Poitier :'(  :'(  :'( .

In one of my favourite films : The Bedford Incident


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058962/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058962/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)

Edward O Wilson naturalist, environmentalist and expert on ants.

Hardy Kruger, actor, aged 93 :( .

Damn. An important part of why Barry Lyndon is the film it is.

Meatloaf
Aged 74

Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 21 January 2022, 08:09:39 AMMeatloaf
Aged 74

:(

I went to Meatloaf's concert in Wellington with my now passed mate Rob (who was a real fan of his) when he came here as part of his Bat out of Hell 2 release tour. He saved "Bat out of Hell" for his final curtain call number. All I can say is that I have never seen another performer put as much heart and soul into a song as Meatloaf did that night. The TSB Arena was rockin' at the end of that performance  :) 

Another of my favorites gone.  I think i have every album he ever made, including some stuff that was not released in Europe.  :(

I know what I will be playing this morning.

A sad loss indeed.

Saw him live at Donnington Park in the mid 80's, really enjoyed the show. Warning - don't put "Bat out of Hell" on a car system, instant traffic jam !

Sad. :(
Saw him live a couple of times - last one in Belfast in the 90s, crazy night!

Dashboard Lights, only the greatest single rock opera piece ever written and preformed.
The mold has been broken. catch ya on the flip side brother.

 :(

Bat out of Hell played during our Saturday night game :(

I remember doing an analysis of Bat out of Hell during one English Literature lesson at my evil school on the outskirts of Slough Trading Estate.
To be honest I was a bit miffed I was more punk/new wave at the time.

"But I can still recall the sting of all the tears when he was gone
They said he crashed and burned, I know I'll never learn
Why any boy should die so young"

Barry Cryer Comedian and writer, at 86. Good innings, but will be missed

Indeed so.

Gawd, he was only on the phone to my mate last week!  :'(

Such a great comedy writer, he will be sadly missed :( .

He certainly will. :(

Thanks for all the times you've made me laugh, Barry.

Hamish & Dougal were just so funny and sad to think we will have no more from them :( .

"You'll have had your tea" - regularly quoted in our house :)

There's another of his phrases that I sometimes think when browsing this forum - "we talked about that at my 'Get a Life' Club".  :P 

It's a credit to Cryer's volume and quality that as we move from obituaries to retrospectives, there's barely been a repeat.

Google his extensive repertoire of parrot jokes, for example.

Parrot Joke (https://www.theoldie.co.uk/blog/barry-cryers-ultimate-parrot-joke)

Podcast of Parrot Jokes (https://www.mixcloud.com/TheOldieRecordings/barry-cryer-his-parrot-jokes-on-the-oldie-magazine-recordings/)

Quote from: Ithoriel on 03 January 2022, 10:01:07 AMRichard Leakey, who, with his parents Mary and Louis, 

Says something about Cryer that I read this in his voice and wondered what the joke was!

Bamber Gascoigne, 87 :( .

Quote from: Steve J on 08 February 2022, 02:17:30 PMBamber Gascoigne, 87 :( .

I still think of University Challenge with Bamber as THE questionmaster.
Jeremy Paxman is just "the new chap". I suspect I'm showing my age now...  :)  ;)

Me too. And when the announcer at the beginning says '...and asking the questions...' I still hear 'Bamber Gascoigne' afterwards no matter what he actually says. All those years watching it as a kid have conditioned me as effectively as the bell conditioned Pavlov's dogs.

Douglas Trumbull (worked with Kubrick to good effect).

Rodney Marsh, legend of Australian - well, world - cricket. Aussie wicket keeper throughout the 70's and into the 80's.

Famously bet on England to win the 1981 Headingley test at 500-1 (No suggestion at all of match-fixing!).

Also famously sporting - can be seen to be shouting "NO!" at Ian Chappell when he ordered the Aussie bowler to bowl the last ball underhanded in a match to ensure an Aussie victory.

Seems to have been a great bloke all around.

Gary Brooker, 19 February 2022, founder and lead singer of Procol Harum. 

QuoteRodney Marsh, legend of Australian - well, world - cricket. Aussie wicket keeper throughout the 70's and into the 80's.

Famously bet on England to win the 1981 Headingley test at 500-1 (No suggestion at all of match-fixing!).

Also famously sporting - can be seen to be shouting "NO!" at Ian Chappell when he ordered the Aussie bowler to bowl the last ball underhanded in a match to ensure an Aussie victory.

Seems to have been a great bloke all around.

I'd echo that.
As a youngster watching and hoping for an England win he was a perennial thorn in the side.
Reliable with the gloves, not a great bat, but competent enough to anchor an innings, partner a centurion or stabilise a collapse.

Was part of that Aussie generation who launched the wiseguy larrakin with a mullet image.
Occasionally abrasive on the pitch, but (unlike a couple of generations later) never forgot that Cricket's a game where you end up having a party with your opponents.

 Shame about both of those. :(

And Shane Warne!  :'(

Paul

That's awful!
Rod Marsh dying was bad enough but Warne was only 52.
Really sad.

QuoteAnd Shane Warne!  :'(

Paul

I'm shocked.

I'm as shocked as the day when an ashes Rookie castled Gatting with his first delivery.

Truly shocked to hear of Shane Warne's passing :o  :'(  :o . A brilliant, brilliant cricketer. His ball to bowl Gatting was called the 'Ball of the Century' and rightly so:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/60596783 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/60596783)

"Nurse Gladys" from Open All Hours.   Aka Lynda Baron. 
RIP.  No longer a sex object for lecherous old grocers.

 :(

Charlotte - just 20 - a friend of the family - from a brain tumour

She was fine in the summer

f*** Cancer

Quote from: fred. on 12 March 2022, 09:15:45 AMCharlotte - just 20 - a friend of the family - from a brain tumour

Forbes,
All our condolences. That's awful. Hugs

Same from me, Forbes. :-(

Thanks Phil and Will

Hi Fred

Sometimes life just isn't fair. Codolences.

Paul

It seems even less fair when it is somebody so young.  So sorry.

So sorry to hear this and sadly far, far too young:(.

Fred. Sad for the young lady.
Sometimes it feels so much worse when it is a Female who goes.
Ma beat Breast Cancer Twice... and reached 89. On her second hospitalisation, there was a 'young' woman, (30s), in next bed, with spreading Cancers. Her Husband and two kids would visit... and she would be 'upbeat' for them... but we knew she had no chance. Terrible thing to see. We got lucky. I have known several who weren't.
Be At Peace, Charlotte.

Sad. 

Thanks guys. As you say sad, and she was far to young.

So sorry to hear hat Fred, Just starting life too.

My condolences as well Fred

Quote from: fred. on 12 March 2022, 09:15:45 AMCharlotte - just 20 - a friend of the family - from a brain tumour
She was fine in the summer
f*** Cancer

Sadly there is a lot of it about - condolences on Charlotte - maybe Lock-down has resulted in more stress and so more knock-on illness. Great sadness to lose a life so young, especially to cancer.

Hi

Peter Bowles mostly known for 'To the Manor Born'.

I remember him well from 'The Irish RM' on Channel 4 many years ago

:(

Paul

Just saw the news of his passing :( .

I remember him popping up repeatedly as different villains in The Avengers in the 60s.
Shame.
:( 

William Hurt. :(

Only in his early '70's too :( .

Taylor Hawkins, drummer with Foo Fighters!
Seriously young at 50.  :'(

That's a real shame, and very young indeed!

QuoteTaylor Hawkins, drummer with Foo Fighters!
Seriously young at 50.  :'(

This really was a shock to see first thing this morning. 

One of life's characters.

[Btw, the term "foo fighter" was used by Allied aircraft pilots during World War II to describe various UFOs or mysterious aerial phenomena seen in the skies over both the European and Pacific theatres of operations.]

This one was a real surprise on Sat morning.  We're big FF fans here and had been to see them on their last tour, such a sad loss.  Judging by some of the early reports, it looks like his previous issues have caught up with him which is a real shame.

Dennis Waterman (74), star of The Sweeney, Minder and New Tricks.

For its time The Sweeney was class TV. Both actors a regretted loss. Got the set... must rewatch... yet again! Carter and Regan...

The Sweeney plus the two films are on Amazon Prime. Only started rewatching last week. Iconic show, that broke the mould of Dixon of Dock Green and Z Cars.

I suspect many of todays yoof will be more aware of "write da feem toon, sing da feem toon".

Surprised that no-one had noticed Van Gelis died on Thursday.

I did see that and had meant to post it here, but then got sidetracked :( .

Happens. I meant to put it up yesterday

Harrison Birtwistle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Birtwistle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Birtwistle)

Cathal Coughlin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathal_Coughlan_(musician) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathal_Coughlan_(musician))

Alan White (72), drummer for John Lennon's early solo career, and then joined Yes in 1972.

Andy Fletcher (60), keyboard player with Depeche Mode.

Ray Liotta (67), actor best known for Goodfellas.

Ray Liotta was a bit of a surprise.  Goodfellas is one of those films that I'll watch whenever it's on, regardless if it's 10 minutes or 1 hour into it.

I've been meaning to catch the Sopranos prequel film with Liotta in it, I'll have to get it watched now.

Alan White ?  :(

Fletch   :'( love Depeche Mode and he was so much part of their sound.

Lester Piggot, great jockey. My granny's favourite.

Paul

Two actors who turned in memorable performances but never quite made the summit: from the US Bo Hopkins, American Graffiti, Midnight Express and Crazy Lee in the Wild Bunch; and UK comedy actress Patricia Brake, Ronnie Barker's daughter in Porridge, later in almost all the UK soaps and seven different patients in Casualty and Holby.

Phil Bennet, Welsh rugby legend, aged 72 :'(. He will always be remembered for 'that try' :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_POX9IdfFUY&ab_channel=BarbarianF.C.Official (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_POX9IdfFUY&ab_channel=BarbarianF.C.Official)

Arguably the best fly-half ever.  I never tire of watching that Barbarians/All Blacks game.  72 is no age, very sad.
 

James Caan, 82

A Bridge Too Far
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El Dorado
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Rollerball
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Alien Nation
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Eraser
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And poor old Shinzo Abe!

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And another F Trooper Larry Storch - Corporal; Agorn has passed. More of my childhood/youth drifting away....

https://people.com/tv/larry-storch-dead-at-99/ (https://people.com/tv/larry-storch-dead-at-99/)

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Cheers

GrumpyOldMan

Monty Norman (94), composer, best known for the 'James Bond' theme.

American actor Tony Sirico who played Paulie Gualtieri in The Sopranos, aged 79.

QuoteMonty Norman (94), composer, best known for the 'James Bond' theme.

This tune still send shivers down my spine.

Of course, it all started to downhill when Connery left. 

As revealed on QI, recycled from Norman's failed stage musical, adapted from VS Naipaul's  "A House for Mr. Biswas". It's really about an Indian chap with an unlucky sneeze:

https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_Sign,_Good_Sign?file=Good_Sign%252C_Bad_Sign_-_Monty_Norman-0

Hearing the original might help with the earworm, but probably won't...

Peter your link isn't working

Strange, it works for me. Anyway, this is the Youtube page the first one links to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6EuzGhIyRQ&ab_channel=Bondfinger007

https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_Sign,_Good_Sign?file=Good_Sign%252C_Bad_Sign_-_Monty_Norman-0 (https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Bad_Sign,_Good_Sign?file=Good_Sign%252C_Bad_Sign_-_Monty_Norman-0)

There you go!

David Warner, former Chancellor of the Klingon Empire and the "There are five lights" Cardassian torturer in TNG. Did work quite a bit outside Star Trek, notably Titanic and the Omen. I still remember him as the weary ADC in "Cross of Iron".

And Paul Sorvino, Paulie in "Goodfellas" and a host of mafia types in movies since. Also played Henry Kissinger in Oliver Stone's Nixon apparently, though I've not seen it.

Oh! David Warner was one of those actors who turned up everywhere and never failed to give a great performance.

Particularly chilling as Capt Sawyer in "Hornblower".
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Bernard Cribbins. :(
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The sound of much of my childhood from Right Said Fred and Hole in the Ground to the Wombles and later Jackanory and Dr Who.
Much loved and much missed.

The same for me Guy in terms of memories of him :( .

Tink it applies to lots of us of a certain age  ;)

Yes indeed.  A jack of all trades and master of all of them.  I see that he did his national service in the Parachute Regiment and served in Palestine.  Respect.

Great shame.... :( ....But a damn good innings.

Nichelle Nichols, best known for playing Lt. Uhura in Star Trek: The Original Series, has passed away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62373143

Such a ground breaking character on many levels. What a legacy though.

Seconded

Met her in Forbidden Planet in Edinburgh when she was on a signing tour. Lovely lady. Sad to hear she's gone.

Olivia Newton-John
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-62472100

ONJ taken far too young :'(  :'(  :'( .

Of my generation, who will Not have been exposed to 'Grease'? I Never watched and Hated the tracks on the video jukebox.
BUT,... Lady was a fighter. Ma fought off Breast Cancer Twice. It is NOT impossible... just may get someone eventually... that is the way of things. Respect to You, Lady, for your courage.

Far from my chosen style of music, but she could sing, no denying that.

Sad News

This is how she should be remembered.

When music used to be fun.

Issey Miyaki, fashion designer.

Lamont Dozier of Motown fame.

 :(

Raymond Briggs (88), author &illustrator. Best known for "The Snowman" and "When the Wind Blows".

Anne Heche. There's a cutie taken from us.

Wolfgang Paterson, director of Das Boot!

The original series was simply superb. A sad, sad loss.

Duggie Brown - comedian. In real life he was also the brother of Lynne Perrie (Coronation Street's Ivy Tilley).

Mikhail Gorbachev  :( .

And a sadly mistaken choice by the Reaper. If he wanted a Muscovite premier....

 :(

A good age though

Quote from: FierceKitty on 31 August 2022, 07:30:27 AMAnd a sadly mistaken choice by the Reaper. If he wanted a Muscovite premier....

Totally agree

QuoteAnd a sadly mistaken choice by the Reaper. If he wanted a Muscovite premier....

Dying in the wrong order. (as they say in some popular culture references)

Not if you are a Russian, they wish the scythe had swung c1988.

But a decent man - though worth remembering he didn't want the end of the USSR or the separation of Belarus and Ukraine. Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich did that in an opportunistic power grab against his wishes.

No state funeral for Misha I'm afraid.

QuoteAnd a sadly mistaken choice by the Reaper. If he wanted a Muscovite premier....

Give him time....

Quote from: DecemDave on 31 August 2022, 03:59:04 PMGive him time....

Yes but the reaper comes for us all eventually, we need him to come for Putin sooner rather than later.

Bill Turnbull, broadcaster, aged 66  :( . Hopefully many more men got tested for prostate cancer as a result of his diagnosis and being very open about it all.

Awww.... :(

Sad. Nice bloke and he was younger than me!  :(

Paul

Quote from: Steve J on 01 September 2022, 09:15:34 AMHopefully many more men got tested for prostate cancer as a result of his diagnosis.

There is no routine testing for prostate cancer, as there is with breast cancer. Useful information here https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/prostate-cancer/#:~:text=PSA%20testing,as%20results%20can%20be%20unreliable.
If you get any of the symptoms see your GP.  It is probably something else but don't ignore them.   
 

Been there..had the probe, and the stabby pain...Five or more years ago..Fortuneately no problem...

Yes, all a bit undignified isn't it.

You certainly have to leave your dignity at the door. Having biopsies taken via your rectum is rather unpleasant too :o .

It's a challenge. Anyone can look dignified and commanding in a tuxedo (except Roger Moore, admittedly).

Walking around in "a goonie wi' yer arse hingin' oot," as a fellow circumcisee described it, is less than dignified, let alone the procedures that follow!

Ugh. If I had no other reason to detest the middle-eastern belief systems, the routine mutilation of kids would be enough.

Our oldest kitty paid her debt to nature this afternoon.

Voluntary Colonoscopy Cancer screening at 55. Jeez! Gowns... 5 actually good looking Nurses... and THEN!
COLD water up there... and Terrified that YOU would 'spray'the lasses! It got done! You did NOT want to go up stairs afterwards!
Result... nothing out of ordinary for age. At 60, you get a test kit for faecal matter... no result!
It WAS voluntary... Better done for peace of mind... BUT!  :(  :o

QuoteOur oldest kitty paid her debt to nature this afternoon.

Sad.. but the way of things.  :( Love any left.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 September 2022, 11:14:00 AMUgh. If I had no other reason to detest the middle-eastern belief systems, the routine mutilation of kids would be enough.

Interestingly enough my Dad got done in the 1930s, it was supposed to be healthier.

My mum was advised - by her quack - to take Thalidomide while carrying me. Bless her heart, she decided to endure morning sickness rather than risk it.

Me too...

That's the queen gone then. 4 years short of sending herself a telegram.

Long Live the King.

Some media chatter he may be George VII rather than Charles III.
RIP Elizabeth II.

Maybe a King Arthur and end all those mythological stories ...

Just saw the news now, we'd heard the reports earlier today that she wasn't doing too well.  I'm not much of a monarchist but I've got to respect her sense of duty to the country and the years of service that she's put in. 

It feels a bit odd as there's not many around who remember the last time we had a change of monarch.  New currency, new stamps, new words to the anthem... all feels a bit weird.

QuoteSome media chatter he may be George VII rather than Charles III.
RIP Elizabeth II.

Helmut I

Quote from: Leon on 08 September 2022, 07:11:17 PMJust saw the news now, we'd heard the reports earlier today that she wasn't doing too well.  I'm not much of a monarchist but I've got to respect her sense of duty to the country and the years of service that she's put in. 

It feels a bit odd as there's not many around who remember the last time we had a change of monarch.  New currency, new stamps, new words to the anthem... all feels a bit weird.

I feel sorry for him as I think he is going to be crucified by our yellow press

Rest In Peace Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II. God Save The King.

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 08 September 2022, 07:13:37 PMI feel sorry for him as I think he is going to be crucified by our yellow press

I suspect you are right and I fear his choosing to go with CHARLES rather than GEORGE, as he previously indicated, will too easily offer his detractors a comparative negative reference point.

I think remaining Charles, as he has been known to the public all his life, was the correct decision. To have changed it at 73 would have looked precious and artificial.  Sorry, however, it had to be announced by our new "Prime Minister", which seemed somewhat inappropriate. I hope he will be judged on his deeds, not his name.  But he has the hardest act to follow, may she rest in peace. 

QuoteJust saw the news now, we'd heard the reports earlier today that she wasn't doing too well.  I'm not much of a monarchist but I've got to respect her sense of duty to the country and the years of service that she's put in. 

It feels a bit odd as there's not many around who remember the last time we had a change of monarch.  New currency, new stamps, new words to the anthem... all feels a bit weird.

Well said. 
The currency and stamp changes I'd not thought about. 

We are all somewhat stunned here, even though we knew it was going to come at some point. May she rest in peace. God save the King!

Indeed. God Save The King

Somebody on Twitter pointed out no one is quite sure what happens next, as (no doubt it has been discussed in Whitehall) the last time this happened was 70 years ago, and the world is a very different place.

One assumes the Mint and Post Office have the appropriate dies ready to swap over, but it will take time for the money/stamps to get into general usage, even if you are still getting money and stamps.

QuoteI feel sorry for him as I think he is going to be crucified by our yellow press

I'd not really thought about that aspect.  One potential issue is that he's always been very focussed on the climate but we've got a new Environment Secretary who doesn't believe in climate change, along with an energy Secretary who thinks fossil fuels are the answer.  So there's an easy attack line there for some of the government's client journalists.

Quote from: Steve J on 08 September 2022, 08:21:51 PMWe are all somewhat stunned here, even though we knew it was going to come at some point. May she rest in peace. God save the King!

Indeed bit of a serreal feeling today here too... well at my house anyway 🙂 RIP ma'am, and God save the King

Quote from: fred. on 08 September 2022, 07:52:31 PMThe currency and stamp changes I'd not thought about.

And quite a few cap badges too.

Pierre... much the same here in this small corner of Canada... and well said. 

Her Majesty & her mother were generally (politics aside) very well thought of here & many had very fond memories/stories of both of them going out of there way to chat & make people comfortable  for a large number of people here.... A few days ago she even took the time to send well wishes to the two communities where 10 people had died via stabbing & another 18 injured.  (The queen made 22 visits to Canada during her reign)

Quote from: Last Hussar on 08 September 2022, 11:15:52 PMSomebody on Twitter pointed out no one is quite sure what happens next, as (no doubt it has been discussed in Whitehall) the last time this happened was 70 years ago, and the world is a very different place.

One assumes the Mint and Post Office have the appropriate dies ready to swap over, but it will take time for the money/stamps to get into general usage, even if you are still getting money and stamps.

The only reason we have had currency with only Elizabeth II on it is decimalisation. As a child I remember being excited when I used coins dated during WW2 and that was more than two decades after it had finished!

Quote from: mollinary on 08 September 2022, 07:45:09 PMSorry, however, it had to be announced by our new "Prime Minister", which seemed somewhat inappropriate.

More respect to her memory than being announced by the previous buffoon!

Quote from: FierceKitty on 02 September 2022, 11:14:00 AMUgh. If I had no other reason to detest the middle-eastern belief systems, the routine mutilation of kids would be enough.

Done for good historical health reasons originally, of course.

QuoteAnd quite a few cap badges too.

All of a sudden the buttons on my vintage RAF greatcoat are current again.

Quote from: mollinary on 08 September 2022, 07:45:09 PMI think remaining Charles, as he has been known to the public all his life, was the correct decision. To have changed it at 73 would have looked precious and artificial.  Sorry, however, it had to be announced by our new "Prime Minister", which seemed somewhat inappropriate. I hope he will be judged on his deeds, not his name.  But he has the hardest act to follow, may she rest in peace.

But can you imagine the total balls-up that Boris would have made of it ...!!!

Quote from: Big Insect on 09 September 2022, 08:46:05 AMBut can you imagine the total balls-up that Boris would have made of it ...!!!

Now now - no politics - anyway will Truss be any better  :d  :d  :d

"I cannot lead you into battle, I do not give you laws or administer justice but I can do something else, I can give you my heart and my devotion to these old islands and to all the peoples of our brotherhood of nations."

- and she was true to her word.

Quote from: sunjester on 09 September 2022, 06:46:37 AMThe only reason we have had currency with only Elizabeth II on it is decimalisation. As a child I remember being excited when I used coins dated during WW2 and that was more than two decades after it had finished!

When I were a lad - no seriously! There were still pennies and halfpennies in circulation with Queen Victoria and Edward VII on them (and yes it was more than two decades after their demise, thank you). I've still got a couple somewhere.
Coins are simply withdrawn when they become too worn to be used and are replaced with ones with the current monarch's head. That's been Elizabeth for 70 years, her shillings were in circulation after decimalisation (as were those of George VI) as they were the same size as the initial 5p coin and the same value, so remained legal tender until 1990.

My Dad has a jar full of old and very worn coins, going back to Queen Victoria IIRC. Some are so worn you can barely make out the monarch.

Quote from: Big Insect on 09 September 2022, 08:42:52 AMDone for good historical health reasons originally, of course.

True (though not of what some do to little girls). But we usually have access to soap and water these days.

Quote from: FierceKitty on 09 September 2022, 02:50:05 PMBut we usually have access to soap and water these days.

Cats volentarily washing ?

Cats wash incessantly, oh ranaceous one!

Quote from: Gwydion on 09 September 2022, 01:56:56 PMWhen I were a lad - no seriously! There were still pennies and halfpennies in circulation with Queen Victoria and Edward VII on them (and yes it was more than two decades after their demise, thank you). I've still got a couple somewhere.
Coins are simply withdrawn when they become too worn to be used and are replaced with ones with the current monarch's head. That's been Elizabeth for 70 years, her shillings were in circulation after decimalisation (as were those of George VI) as they were the same size as the initial 5p coin and the same value, so remained legal tender until 1990.

thruppeny and sixpenny 'bits' - I do remembert-hem when I wuz a lad also.

Not to mention farthings, ha'pennies and crowns.

I'm sorry, oldies. I'm too young to remember £sd.

Quote from: Gwydion on 09 September 2022, 01:56:56 PMWhen I were a lad - no seriously! There were still pennies and halfpennies in circulation with Queen Victoria and Edward VII on them (and yes it was more than two decades after their demise, thank you). I've still got a couple somewhere.

I used to do a paper round and my best find was a 1797 penny piece.  Yes, 1797. How it managed to remain in circulation that long I have no idea.

Wow, that's pretty amazing!

QuoteMy Dad has a jar full of old and very worn coins, going back to Queen Victoria IIRC. Some are so worn you can barely make out the monarch.

I still have my Dad's jar of these. No idea of the oldest. Occasionally idly wonder if they're worth anything.

It has been pointed out how awful it would be if Andrew was older than Charles.

Worn coins unlikely to have any value. Good ones maybe... but not a lot... unless VERY old.
Rarities... stamping errors, very short Reign, etc.... maybe.
I have a few 20ps which were reputedly selling for hundreds at a point... but so many also found some that not worth the bother!
When Charles coins minted, will put a few to one side... he IS getting on! But Mint provides Many Pallets of coins for circulation... once out, very little value.

As small child... old or Foreign coin tin was 'interesting'. One could 'teach' some History or Geography to a child. Old denominations or pre Euro stuff!
Or... one could imagine 'who' might have had a coin from pre WW1 Or WW2 in their pocket.

As for the several 'Cash Boxes' buried in the garden... for whoever unearths them... they contain Dead Cats!  :o  ;D 

Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 10 September 2022, 08:37:12 AMt.

As for the several 'Cash Boxes' buried in the garden... for whoever unearths them... they contain Dead Cats!  :o  ;D 

Schrodinger's multiple cats

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 10 September 2022, 05:20:50 AMIt has been pointed out how awful it would be if Andrew was older than Charles.

Has it?  By whom?  Fortunately he isn't so it is a gratuitous and irrelevant observation, I'd say.

Just heard "God Save the King" sung for the first time at the Test match between SA and England.

Spine tingling stuff, very moving, after a perfectly observed minutes silence.

Hi

QuoteQuote from: flamingpig0 on Today at 04:20:50 AM
It has been pointed out how awful it would be if Andrew was older than Charles.

Has it?  By whom?  Fortunately he isn't so it is a gratuitous and irrelevant observation, I'd say.

I can't say that I have heard it said in the media but I suspect it has been going through many peoples minds; it has certainly gone through mine when thinking about the whole Royal institution in the past. In the circumstances I really do not see it as either a gratuitous or irelevant observation.

Cheers Paul

Quote from: John Cook on 10 September 2022, 10:52:15 AMHas it?  By whom?  Fortunately he isn't so it is a gratuitous and irrelevant observation, I'd say.

Quote from: John Cook on 10 September 2022, 10:52:15 AMLargely by people outside our shared demographic who like upsetting humourless reactionaries with an affinity for archaic and dying institutions. I am not so sure about it being irrelevant as it does indicate the problem with hereditary heads of state- what happens when you get a wrong un? Sadly the royal family has  managed to get itself entangled with the likes of Epstein, Savile, Mountbatten and Peter Ball. However, I suspect we are now beginning to touch on politics.

As I said I feel a little sorry for Charles as the yellow press is going to crucify him over his quite genuine support for animal welfare and green issues.

Oh, and John, you aren't  above  a little bit of gratuity yourself.

Hmm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/10/class-or-crass-brands-walk-a-fine-line-in-marking-queens-death (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/10/class-or-crass-brands-walk-a-fine-line-in-marking-queens-death)


but then the Yanks managed to create Malcom X crisps!

The CROWN will go on. Along with So many, the passing of The Queen 'feels' like a Big Hole left. Her presence provided 'Stability' throughout My life... unlike Politicians, Parties and the things they signed up to. I was watching the schoolkids trooping down the street on Friday morning... thinking 'End Of An Era'... BUT IT IS NOT. Their Era is what THEY will make of it. Hopefully some will continue what WE believed in... and The Queen Backed up, very quietly. I have never accepted King Charles III's, (OMG, ain't That strange!), detractors. I think he will continue to do fine. He HAS done pretty well up to now in Many ways. Long Live The King!

Just to comment: Various Monarchs or family members...have had unfortunate lives... or tendencies... or links to UNDESIRABLE factions... as had U.S Presidents, Russian Leaders... need I go on?

Prince Andrew was doing ok... then 'another' disaster marriage, irrelevance as 'Second Son' with Money... and 'contacts'. Personally, I do not Believe'allegations'... but 'Ditched', by Those 'advisors'to the Crown... I do not think his Mother ditched him in herself. Prince 'Harry' was also doing ok... but has made his own bed... up to him.

It is the 'lot' of the "spare" to lead a strange life ... on stand-by but hopefully never needed.

There was a comment on the radio that the moment her father gained the thrown, the young Elizabeth added the words (or similar) to her nightly prays "please let me have a baby brother"!

It is a bit like the Billy Connolly quote:
"The desire to be a politician should bar you for life from ever becoming one." Maybe it should be the same with all walks of public life?

But I do like the Billy Connolly quote ... "Don't vote. It just encourages them...." - as that always brings a wry smile to my lips  ;D

I prefer the Tammany Hall quote - Vote Early, Vote Often !

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I'm too lazy to alter the quote below from President to King - I'm sure you can make the edit in your head :)

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Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 11 September 2022, 05:33:44 AMThe CROWN will go on. Along with So many, the passing of The Queen 'feels' like a Big Hole left. Her presence provided 'Stability' throughout My life... unlike Politicians, Parties and the things they signed up to. I was watching the schoolkids trooping down the street on Friday morning... thinking 'End Of An Era'... BUT IT IS NOT. Their Era is what THEY will make of it. Hopefully some will continue what WE believed in... and The Queen Backed up, very quietly. I have never accepted King Charles III's, (OMG, ain't That strange!), detractors. I think he will continue to do fine. He HAS done pretty well up to now in Many ways. Long Live The King!

Just to comment: Various Monarchs or family members...have had unfortunate lives... or tendencies... or links to UNDESIRABLE factions... as had U.S Presidents, Russian Leaders... need I go on?

Prince Andrew was doing ok... then 'another' disaster marriage, irrelevance as 'Second Son' with Money... and 'contacts'. Personally, I do not Believe'allegations'... but 'Ditched', by Those 'advisors'to the Crown... I do not think his Mother ditched him in herself. Prince 'Harry' was also doing ok... but has made his own bed... up to him.

I agree.  The trouble is that all figures in the public eye attract adverse from comment from all kinds of people with one agenda or another.  The Royal Family is no different.  Republicans have little or nothing good to say about it.  Why would they?  They want rid of it and the Sovereign replaced by, presumably, an appointed or elected president as Head of State.  No thanks.  Why anybody would want to be like any other nondescript republic is beyond me.
The Crown will indeed go on and the change will be almost seamless.  Charles behaved badly towards Princess Dianna, no doubt in my mind, but she wasn't without fault either.  All the eulogising came after her tragic death and is all a bit tiresome now.  It suspect you are right about Charles.  His performance remains to be seen but he has, as somebody pointed out yesterday, had the longest apprenticeship in history.  So I expect he will do alright.  I hope he remains himself and where it doesn't clash with politics, he continues to speak on subjects he cares about.
Three of the late Queen's children have had unfortunate marriages.  Nothing unusual really though it is above the UK average.  The only place I have seen or heard concern expressed about Prince Andrew in the context of the succession is on this forum.  He isn't a candidate, unless an unprecedented, and unimaginable, cull of other candidates took place, so it is irrelevant and unnecessary tittle-tattle.  Prince Harry is a major disappointment.  I think he is weak, easily led and not the sharpest knife in the drawer.  Now, there is an unfortunate marriage if ever there was one.  The Duchess of Sussex proved entirely unsuited to the role of a Royal spouse.   
I don't remember the funeral of George VI, but I do remember the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II.  My parents bought a television so we could watch it.  The TV comprised a huge wooden case with a screen no bigger than a piece of A4 paper.  You had to close the curtains in order to watch it.  We were the first family to have a TV in our street and there must have been at least a dozen neighbours crammed into our sitting room.  So, she was a constant throughout my life, just as you describe.  She was also my Commander in Chief for a large part of my adult life, to whom I swore "by almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend her Majesty, her heirs and successors in
person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me."  So, God Save the King and confusion to his enemies.

QuoteThe trouble is that all figures in the public eye attract adverse comment from all kinds of people with one agenda or another.

The Duchess of Sussex proved entirely unsuited to the role of a Royal spouse. 
 

I see what you mean

Meghan and Harry are about the only Royals I have time for these days.

I will be glad when the circus leaves town and we can get back to the real world.

I do wonder what dirty deeds are being quietly buried while this farrago of excessive emotion is drowning out any sensible reporting.

Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 September 2022, 09:05:47 PMMeghan and Harry are about the only Royals I have time for these days.

I know very little about Megahn other than she is obviously held to a much higher standard than other royals, former or otherwise. There is more hatred aimed at her than Andrew who was a willing associate of a convicted sex trafficker and Charles who utilised Jimmy Savile as a marriage counselor. Simply weird.

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 12 September 2022, 09:24:05 PMand Charles who utilised Jimmy Savile as a marriage counselor. Simply weird.

Now I think you are being selective and cruel.
Many, many people (in fact the majority I would suggest) were simply unaware of what Savile was up to.

Meghan's 'crime' appears to be that she attempted to change the Royal Institution(s) and to try and mould them into her way of doing things and then got upset when those Institutions wouldn't change. Certain of the UK Press - some red-tops and some established 'Daily's' also didn't take lightly to being lectured by her, about how they were depicting her, so she dragged Harry off in a litigious 'huff' to California and started issuing libel writs and giving one-sided contentious interviews to the TV, that she knew full well that 'The Firm' would not counter.
Whether she has a point (or not) about feeling she was discriminated against I cannot say and I doubt that we'll ever know the truth.

Personally, I think there is no excuse for Andrew, despite the TV interview that showed him to not only to be dim but also very gullible.

But over all of this there was always the Queen ... and she appears to have remained above all this sordid stuff ... even when attacked directly. She was a great public servant who has worked tirelessly for the good of the UK and the Commonwealth since she took office. Let us hope that Charles III can build on that legacy.
 

As you say some people were aware of Savile and his proclivities, it was certainly common knowledge within the BBC from at least the eighties. With that in mind, it is a surprise that the security services who guard the monarchy weren't aware and didn't warn Charles there was something seriously wrong. There is also a similar sort of dynamic with his association with Peter Ball ( you can google him if you wish).

I suspect in truth Charles is simply naive in the extreme and stands by his friends and that is the kindest explanation a reasonable person could offer.

I am also not entirely sure it is fair to say the Queen remained above all the sordid stuff as she, perhaps understandably, felt obliged  to contribute to paying  12 million to settle the sex abuse case involving Virginia Giuffre

If you mean she wasn't willing to live like it was the 1950's I agree John. But she and Harry seemed to throw themselves into Royal visits and Royal patronage with enthusiasm .... until everything she did was wrong and everything Kate did was brilliant .... even when they were the same things. I can say from experience that if you are continually told that you can't do right for doing wrong you soon learn doing wrong is a faster route to the same end.

However, you are entitled to your opinion of her as I am to mine and this is very far from wargaming so I shall try to keep my thoughts on all this to myself and concentrate on 2mm Romans, if my nose ever stops running.

Or perhaps "Prince Harry's Own Light Horse" or "Meghan's Mechanised Militia" for AVBCWII? :D

QuoteI have no agenda here at all.  What exactly do you mean?  It is patently obvious that she didn't take to the responsibilities of Royal life and all which that entailed.  Only a deaf and blind, or terminally dull, person would think otherwise.

Well, speaking as a terminally dull person that is one of the funniest things I have ever read.


Not sure it isn't  a mutant  variant of the 'no true Scotsman " logical fallacy

Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 September 2022, 10:51:41 PMIf you mean she wasn't willing to live like it was the 1950's

No, she wasn't willing to live like it is in the 2020s.   This is the 'Non-Wargaming Discussion' part of The Forum but you are right about opinions, we are both entitled to them.
 

Quote from: Big Insect on 12 September 2022, 09:42:58 PMNow I think you are being selective and cruel.

I agree entirely, with your entire post.

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 12 September 2022, 10:53:19 PMWell, speaking as a terminally dull person that is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

How is it funny?  Perhaps you could elaborate.  You still haven't explained what you think my agenda is.  In order to have an agenda, I would want to have something done.  What do you think it is?

Hey Peeps!
Thing about Meghan... and Diana... and maybe Fergie is that THEY KNEW what they were 'Buying Into'.
And tried to change it to THEIR wishes. Too much 'SELF' and not 'Duty'.
I rate 'Kate' much better.

2022 is not 1950s... but, HMQ provided the 'link' to older values. IMHO... those 'older values' are what is needed from a 'Royal'. Present society has very little / none.

Just read of some Scumbag setting  Dog alight. Now, some things do not change. There were Scum, Paedo's, etc. in 1940s. BUT 'Stability' is what holds things together, somewehat.

There is a modern attitude that 'Change' is Good'. Read Orwell! I know from work that 'Change is 'exciting'? LOL! Bo***x! People NEED 'stability'.

Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 13 September 2022, 04:40:26 AMThing about Meghan... and Diana... and maybe Fergie is that THEY KNEW what they were 'Buying Into'.
And tried to change it to THEIR wishes. Too much 'SELF' and not 'Duty'.
I rate 'Kate' much better.

Just to ask a direct question. Why are you critical of Meghan, Diana and maybe Fergie for too much Self and not Duty but not Andrew who put whatever services he was getting from Epstein before the good of the monarchy and the state whose largesse he was a recipient of?

And of course everybody forgets that Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot in the Falklands War. As for Ginge and Whinge...

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 13 September 2022, 05:40:07 AMJust to ask a direct question. Why are you critical of Meghan, Diana and maybe Fergie for too much Self and not Duty but not Andrew who put whatever services he was getting from Epstein before the good of the monarchy and the state whose largesse he was a recipient of?

To be Honest, I do not know about Meghan.
I have not paid all that much attention to her but thought that she had a 'shifty' look when she appeared.
I was wrong about Diana... thought She was perfect... and then she was NOT. Fergie was going to be a disaster from start.
I would give Meghan 'benefit of the doubt'... becoming under media scrutiny must he awkward. But.
Much adverse comment in media... which should be ignored! But,  Mother and several female friends / relatives did not take to her either... and they, usually 'forgiving'... especially to a female. I usually am, also.
She...or, rather her Legal Team (!) seem fond of litigation... maybe 'the American Way' of things... but should recognise that that 'looks' bad to Brits. The 'Old' Royals preferred to keep things quiet as 'the Monarchy' was all important.
'Discrimination' card...well! If that was true, she would not be there.
Retreating to USA and becoming a 'Media Celeb' on talk shows do not help.
I just have not taken to her.

Andrew was ok... but seems to have become rather foolish in later life... though I am very dubious about allegations... he should have known better. And as for 'interview'! Almost as 'cringeworthy' as Diana interview... but She 'played it'...Andrew just appeared dim!

I'm starting to think I'm seeing Hello! magazine lately, not Pendraken!

Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 13 September 2022, 11:00:21 AMAnd of course everybody forgets that Prince Andrew was a helicopter pilot in the Falklands War. As for Ginge and Whinge...

And don't forget too that The Queen had her portrait painted by Rolf Harris, later  convicted for sex-offences ;)   flamingpig0 forgot to mention that.

Quote from: John Cook on 13 September 2022, 12:51:57 PMAnd don't forget too that The Queen had her portrait painted by Rolf Harris, later  convicted for sex-offences ;)   flamingpig0 forgot to mention that.

Yes, why was he tying that kangaroo down?

QuoteYes, why was he tying that kangaroo down?

For 'Sport'... he said so! And... he did have 'an extra leg'!  ;D

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Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 13 September 2022, 01:12:30 PMFor 'Sport'... he said so! And... he did have 'an extra leg'!  ;D

That didn't mean he had to use it

I think that Meghan could have been a superbly role model as the first known black royal.  However I think she was totally unaware and unprepared for what she was getting into.

She should have recievied full instruction on what would be expected of her before the engagement was announced.

 We have no idea as to what was actually said about her or Archie. It should have been dealt with swiftly by those at the Palace, with the person at fault dealt with appropriately with anything from a reprimand to a sacking depending on what was actualy said.

Perhaps with a bit more support we would not be in this unfortunate situation with Harry and Meghan.

As for Andrew his association with Epstein may or may not have involved abuse of young women, but you do not pay a reported £12 million to some one unless they have something on you.

QuoteI'm starting to think I'm seeing Hello! magazine lately, not Pendraken!

It has all gone very much 'off-piste' around the core subject of the death of Her Majesty the Queen.

Surely somebody else of interest has died in the last 6 days or so, to distract our collective 'fruit-fly' minds in their general direct  ;)

Jean-Luc Goddard, 13th Sept aged 91.

Ramsey Lewis, 87
 

If we could keep the comments, political or personnal, to ourselves or debate it on other media gentlemen.
This thread is now under scrutiny, and I would hate to see it locked/lost.
Will (moderator hat off)

And yes, Jean-Luc Goddard is underrated!

He is misspelled too at times.  ;D

Quote from: FierceKitty on 14 September 2022, 03:01:01 AMHe is misspelled too at times.  ;D

And never underrated :D

When that French technique of very long takes works, it's brilliant. When it doesn't - which I think is more common - it drives one near to swearing Hollywood does it better. We watched Blue is the Dullest Movie a week or two ago, and still think Dante's Hell needs a new circle for directors like that.

QuoteIt has all gone very much 'off-piste' around the core subject of the death of Her Majesty the Queen.

Surely somebody else of interest has died in the last 6 days or so, to distract our collective 'fruit-fly' minds in their general direct  ;)

Not n the last 6 days but I think we missed Harrison Birtwhistle a few months back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Birtwistle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Birtwistle)

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 14 September 2022, 02:56:27 PM

They most certainly don't make 'em like that anymore!

Which is a relief to music lovers everywhere.

Quote from: Big Insect on 14 September 2022, 04:52:53 PMThey most certainly don't make 'em like that anymore!

Some people think he sold out and became too commercial with his later work

Quote from: fsn on 14 September 2022, 05:34:02 PMWhich is a relief to music lovers everywhere.

Apparently not!

Honours and awards
1986 Grawemeyer Award for Music Composition, University of Louisville[30]
1986 Chevalier de l'Ordre des Arts et des Lettres, Ministry of Culture, France[10]
1988 Knight Bachelor (Kt), Monarchy of the United Kingdom in the 1988 Queen's Birthday Honours List[10][30]
1989 Fellowship, Royal Northern College of Music (FRNCM).[31][32]
1994 Honorary Fellow, Royal Academy of Arts[33]
1995 Ernst von Siemens Music Prize[30]
2001 Order of the Companions of Honour (CH), Monarchy of the United Kingdom in the 2001 New Years Honours List[10]
2003 Royal Philharmonic Society Music Awards Large-scale Composition in London[30]
2007 Foreign Honorary Member, American Academy of Arts and Letters[34]
2015 Wihuri Sibelius Prize[30]

Unfortunately, you're lumping all "music lovers" into a homogeneous lot. I consider myself to be a music lover, and yet find his work to be awful. Then again, I'm not keen on much of the orchestral or operatic works post Beethoven though apparently "WAP" is deemed to be good music to some people.

I'll take my usual stand and say "you like it - go for it. Me? No thanks."

 

Not aware of having heard of Harrison Bertwhistle or his music before. If that's a typical sample I consider myself blessed.

That said, I still mourn the man's passing and wish any fans much pleasure from his work.

Quote from: fsn on 14 September 2022, 07:10:30 PMUnfortunately, you're lumping all "music lovers" into a homogeneous lot
 

"Which is a relief to music lovers everywhere."

fsn

 ??? 

Quote from: Ithoriel on 14 September 2022, 07:30:50 PMNot aware of having heard of Harrison Bertwhistle or his music before. If that's a typical sample I consider myself blessed.

That said, I still mourn the man's passing and wish any fans much pleasure from his work.

It has a singing Minotaur and annoys people--- how punk rock is that!

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 14 September 2022, 07:51:37 PM"Which is a relief to music lovers everywhere."

fsn

 ??? 

I'm sorry there are concepts there that you find hard to grasp. 

Quote from: fsn on 14 September 2022, 08:38:03 PMI'm sorry there are concepts there that you find hard to grasp. 

Yeah, I am still working on the Orwellian Humpty Dumpty approach to contradiction.

Quote from: Big Insect on 14 September 2022, 04:52:53 PMThey most certainly don't make 'em like that anymore!

Thank goodnes for that!  I confess to never having heard of Harrison Birtwhistle and I'm sorry that he's died.  In an attempt to inform myself I noticed a review which of The Minotaur which said " I doubt that this score will appeal to many who are not committed enthusiasts for late 20th century works".  They got that right.  Some of the gushing obituaries reminded me of the tale of The Emperor's New Clothes.

Quote from: John Cook on 14 September 2022, 11:22:15 PMSome of the gushing obituaries reminded me of the tale of The Emperor's New Clothes.

I feel the same way about Megan Thee Stallion but then  I expect her oeuvre is not really aimed at the likes of me

A friends now often replies to emails of mine, bemoaning some advert or other, with YANTIA! or YANTTA!

Not, as I initially thought, some obscure piece of Kernow dialect.

YANTTA - You Are Not The Target Audience

YANTIA - You Are Not The Intended Audience

:) :) :)

Always a timely reminder.

https://infotel.ca/newsitem/eu-britain-obit-harrison-birtwistle/cp392738618 (https://infotel.ca/newsitem/eu-britain-obit-harrison-birtwistle/cp392738618)


"The question of accessibility," Birtwistle once said, "is not my problem."


Short on conventional harmony and heavy on complex rhythms, Birtwistle's music was often described as having an abrasive quality. In 1995, his piece "Panic" had a high-profile premiere on live television as part of the hugely popular "Last Night of the Proms" concert.

The BBC was inundated with complaints. "Was somebody strangling a cat?" one viewer asked.

B Awfull!  ;D  R I some sort of tuneful harmony, Sir. ;)

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 14 September 2022, 11:31:11 PMI feel the same way about Megan Thee Stallion but then  I expect her oeuvre is not really aimed at the likes of me

Had to look it up and found that it's a she and rapper.  Rap is something else I don't get.   

Quote from: Ithoriel on 15 September 2022, 12:09:17 AMYANTTA - You Are Not The Target Audience
YANTIA - You Are Not The Intended Audience

Indeed so, but there is such a thing as collateral damage, or IDRFAA (incidental damage resulting from another activity) ;)

Quote from: John Cook on 15 September 2022, 10:24:28 AMRap is something else I don't get.   

You surprise me there


Actually, I don't get it either, which perhaps alarmingly makes me less hip than Michael Gove.

I think that Rap is something else with a letter missing.

I like rap, well some of it anyway. Like any genre there is good and bad. Opinions may vary as to where the line falls, naturally.

I even like rappers like (Maitre) Gims who raps in French, a language I speak very little of.

 

Quote from: John Cook on 15 September 2022, 10:24:28 AMRap is something else I don't get.   

Rap = (modern) poetry to music - that's the way I look at it - a bit like Dylan is pros to music

I quite like a bit of rap but I do have quite an eclectic mix on my playlists.  Rap, hip-hop, classic rock, hard rock, metal, nu-metal, bit of mainstream pop, indie, electronic dance.

I don't like music where I can't tell what they're saying, so thrash (too much screaming) or grime can get in the bin.  I can't do drum 'n' bass either, too much like noise to me.

I find a lot of modern stuff very 'conveyor belt' music where it's the same looking people singing the same sounding songs, but I sometimes stick the music channels on TV at night and find interesting new artists.

Eddie Butler, former Wales rugby union captain and brilliant broadcaster. Only 65  :'(  :'(  :'( .

Just seen the news.  Captain of Wales, British Lion and Barbarian.  Also one of the most distictive voices of Rugby journalism.  So unexpected. 

Cambridge graduate, French teacher at Cheltenham College, Captain of Wales at a difficult time but a great player and possibly a better commentator.
I missed his dual commentary with Brian Moore when Moore moved on, two partisan players who produced sublimely neutral but engaging commentary on the most hotly contested games.
A wordsmith and a thinker.
A big loss.

Ken Starr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Starr (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Starr)

Phillip Schofield's career

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 19 September 2022, 07:12:44 AMPhillip Schofield's career

OHHHH Nasty

Quote from: flamingpig0 on 19 September 2022, 07:12:44 AMPhillip Schofield's career

Has he died? I dont think so.

QuoteHas he died? I dont think so.

Much worse, he jumped a queue.

....and that's how rumours start.

He and Holly were photographed waiting, along with other reporters, to go in and do a piece for their TV show, as they were perfectly entitled to do, but somehow it is being spun online as queue jumping.

Quote....and that's how rumours start.

He and Holly were photographed waiting, along with other reporters, to go in and do a piece for their TV show, as they were perfectly entitled to do, but somehow it is being spun online as queue jumping.

I only see him because my dental surgery has his prog on in the waiting room, so I associate him with excruciating pain. The dental work is fine

I don't see what any of this has to do with Deaths in 2022 ... other than a slightly tenuous connection with a Royal laying in state.

Maybe there should be another thread set up entitled " Celebrity Tat (or Tittle-tattle)" ? Just so I can ensure that I avoid it  :D

Coolio 

(August 1, 1963 – September 28, 2022)

Did we miss Dame Hilary Mantel?
I think we did.
d.22.9.22

Great writer - took me a while to get into the rhythm of 'Wolf Hall' but once I did I was gripped.

Aged 70.
Sad loss.

We have lost a wargames supplier:
https://www.syborg3dprinting.co.uk/
Simon Ryan the owner of Syborg 3d, who had only just started a range of 10mm (1/160) resin printed models of excellent quality, died suddenly on the weekend. I was looking forward to seeing him at Newark, as he had a trade stand booked there.  :(

Mark

Oh no

:( Condolences to all who knew him

That's such a shame. He seemed a really nice guy when I spoke to him at shows.

Damn! Nice guy and way too young to be taken. :(

Loretta Lynn, 4 Oct 2022 aged 90. 

Angela Lansberry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63221326

No disrespect to Angela Lansbury but, in regards to any TV tribute, one of the U.K. free view channels already shows hour after hour of Murder She Wrote every week...

Geoff

Robbie Coltrane
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63261204.amp

Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 14 October 2022, 06:02:07 PMRobbie Coltrane
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63261204.amp

 :(  :(  :(

A real shock about Robbie, whom I really admired as an actor and comedian, always enjoying his stuff.

I didn't realise what a great career Angela Lansbury had and one hell of an innings.

Noel Duggan, twin brother of the late Padraig Duggan, co-founders of Clannad (best known for Harry's Game, Robin of Sherwood and Last of the Mohicans film soundtracks).

Quote from: Lord Speedy of Leighton on 14 October 2022, 06:02:07 PMRobbie Coltrane
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63261204.amp

Also known for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutti_Frutti_(1987_TV_series)

Jerry Lee Lewis 28 October 2022 aged 87.

QuoteJerry Lee Lewis 28 October 2022 aged 87.

I recall discussions when Little Richard passed away in 2020.


Some wag expressed suspicion that the last surviving "founder of rock and roll" was the one nicknamed The Killer.
Agatha Christie would have had a field day...

Leslie Phillips - 98 - Left hand down a bit, or Ohhhh Nasty.

 :'(

Kevin O'Neil, of 2000AD Nemisis the Warlock fame
https://2000ad.com/news/kevin-oneill-1953-2022/

Leslie Phillips, what an innings and so many great catch phrases.

Aw! Poor old Leslie.

Kevin Conroy!!

Who?

Kevin Conroy. He voiced Batman in the Animated Series and defined the Batman voice - very often fighting Mark Hamill as the Joker.

Nik Turner.  Founding member of Hawkwind.

QuoteNik Turner.  Founding member of Hawkwind.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/13/open-minded-and-truly-eclectic-nik-turner-was-the-spirit-of-hawkwind (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/13/open-minded-and-truly-eclectic-nik-turner-was-the-spirit-of-hawkwind)

Even after several decades, I am still a fan of Hawkwind

Same here - loved Hawkwind since buying their Space Ritual classic gatefold at Probe Records in Liverpool as a lad.  Saw them on their 50th anniversary tour recently (well, 2019) - they played some great old stuff, and the bass was throbbing again as in Lemmy's day...

The old stuff, it seems to me is, on the whole, streets ahead of most of the rubbish produced these days.  Just 'coming down' from listening to Rory Gallagher so perhaps my objectivity is not what it might be :)

Just heard that Christopher Duffy has died.

So sad to hear about Duffy, but a good innings and what a great legacy of books.

Damn. That one is a real loss.

Really sorry to hear of Chris Duffy's death. I was fortunate enough to tour SYW battlefields with him, and to meet-up with him on a number of occasions when I lived in Vienna. He was a charming, self effacing and humorous man, as well as the pre-eminent scholar in 18th century military history. His works in other periods, such as his fascinating book on the British on the Somme through German eyes, showed not just his scholarship, but also the breadth of his interests. The world is a smaller, and poorer, place. 

Robert Clary , Corporal Louis LeBeau from Hogan's Heroes has died at 96. He was a survivor of WW2 concentration camps as well.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/aUZ83igLWaQaa22p5mPz4Q--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTU0MDtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/thewrap.com/b9d5f735a2501537ec65ffa8dbda56c3)

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/robert-clary-holocaust-survivor-hogan-225919662.html (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/robert-clary-holocaust-survivor-hogan-225919662.html)

Wilko Johnson (75), original guitarist with Dr. Feelgood.  :(

Diagnosed with terminal cancer ten years ago, so did pretty well in the end.

Gutted, he was one of the greats .

My guitar hero, Wilko, right from Dr Feelgood days. Loved the way he never took himself too seriously..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63728503

Doddie Weir, 52, former Scotland rugby player  :'(  :'(  :'(

Aye, that's a sad one. Motor Neurone Disease.

Very sad indeed.  He appeared in a wheelchair prior to the Wales/NewZealand game in the Autumn Nations series a few days ago.   

  Ed Pugh the CEO of Reaper Miniatures

Wilko Johnson

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/music-news/obituary-wilko-johnson-dr-feelgood-guitarist-and-punk-pioneer-who-also-starred-in-game-of-thrones-42176416.html (https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/music/music-news/obituary-wilko-johnson-dr-feelgood-guitarist-and-punk-pioneer-who-also-starred-in-game-of-thrones-42176416.html)

Keith Levine

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/14/keith-levene-obituary (https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/nov/14/keith-levene-obituary)

Doddy Weir

John Prados


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prados (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Prados)

Christine McVie (79), singer, keyboard player and song writer with Fleetwood Mac.

QuoteChristine McVie (79), singer, keyboard player and song writer with Fleetwood Mac.

:(

Fleetwood Mac have been a favourite band of mine for a long time - since my early teens when Tango in the Night came out, then I got into the back catalogue. 

Fleetwood Mac - one of the best bands ever. McVie was underappreciated behind the much more flamboyant Stevie Nicks.


Very sad.   

Hell no!

Quote from: Raider4 on 30 November 2022, 07:43:13 PMChristine McVie (79), singer, keyboard player and song writer with Fleetwood Mac.

That's a sad one.

A very talented song writer.

That's very sad news. :(

Quote from: Techno 3 on 01 December 2022, 03:27:00 PMThat's very sad news. :(

It concentrates the mind when comtemporaries are dying.  Great band with a unique sound.

Jet Black

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Black (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_Black)

Ruth Maddocks
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63927507

Makes me feel really old, but then I AM !

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 10 December 2022, 02:50:04 PMMakes me feel really old, but then I AM !

I like to think that as a rule wargamers are young at heart

Victor Lewis-Smith
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/dec/12/victor-lewis-smith-writer-and-broadcaster-dies-at-65?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab

Angelo Badlamenti
https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2022/dec/13/angelo-badalamenti-david-lynchs-composer-on-twin-peaks-blue-velvet-and-more-dies-aged-85

Terry Hall

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/terry-hall-death-the-specials-age-b2248319.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/terry-hall-death-the-specials-age-b2248319.html)

Hear the news this morning and a sad, sad loss and far too young. The Specials were part of the soundtrack to the end of Secondary School and the start of A Levels.

QuoteTerry Hall

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/terry-hall-death-the-specials-age-b2248319.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/terry-hall-death-the-specials-age-b2248319.html)

Primal Scream and Charleston's keyboardist Duffy

Ali Ahmed Aslam

Credited with invention of the Chicken Tikka Masala

QuoteA Glaswegian chef credited with inventing the chicken tikka masala has died, aged 77.

Ali Ahmed Aslam is said to have come up with the dish in the 1970s when a customer asked if there was a way of making his chicken tikka less dry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64055639 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64055639)

Mike Hodges, director of the immortal "Get Carter" (the real one, not the Stallone atrocity) as well as Flash Gordon. I wonder how his name came up when the producers were looking for the right guy to direct a cheesy but fun 80s sci-fi epic?

George Cohen MBE, England and Fulham, World Cup Winning footballer.

Watched him many times at the Cottage in the 60's.  =D>

RIP.

Paul

So did I. :(

Maxi Jaz of Faithless
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64087315

QuoteMaxi Jaz of Faithless

Irony - being unable to sleep because you have Insomnia looping around your brain.




"I Can't Get No Sleep" indeed.

QuoteRobbie Coltrane, also known for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tutti_Frutti_(1987_TV_series)

Heads up for those in the UK - being repeated on BBC4 starting tonight. Let's see if it's as good as I remember.

John Bird
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-64108691?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab

Brilliant satirical brain and great comedy actor.
Loved him in TW3 even though I was young, and A Very Peculiar Practice and Bremner Bird and Fortune. Seemed to be in loads of other things in sketches and character parts.
Missed very much.

Oh dear! I loved his work. Particularly Absolute Power on the radio with Stephen Fry.

Awww. :(

Pele!?
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I remember the 1970 World Cup in Mexico. Live in colour on TV. An amazing event.

Quote from: fsn on 29 December 2022, 07:32:14 PMPele!?

Adele tried to give me a clue in this edition of 'Guess Who's Dead' by waving her hand in the air in a very 'God-like' manner.  I was a little flummoxed as I was sure we lost Maradona a while back...

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Could have been worse ... she could have been miming this.
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Pele, what a footballer! That 1970 team were just awesome. A sad loss but what a legacy :( .

Vivienne Westwood too today :( .

 :(

Quote from: fsn on 29 December 2022, 07:55:52 PM;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Could have been worse ... she could have been miming this.

The 'Wand of God'...?!  (I know it doesn't rhyme)