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Title: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 25 September 2021, 07:49:37 AM
Well despite all attempts to prevent panic buying, it appears to have fallen on deaf ears in our part of Bristol. I set off to buy some food for our son at Tescos about 10 minutes away as the local ASDA no longer stocks the items he likes. Fine going there and they had started queueing at the Tesco petrol station, but the forecourt had one or tow cars waiting. I get back to the roundabout by our local ASDA and complete gridlock due to every Tom, Dick and Harry trying to get fuel, so no-one who just wanted to shop could get to the supermarket!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 September 2021, 08:05:12 AM
Very difficult to underestimate the stupidity of the great British public.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 25 September 2021, 08:15:12 AM
Project fear strikes again! ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Norm on 25 September 2021, 08:24:31 AM
It has been 'fuelled' (!) by front page headlines attempting to make the country look like it is in chaos and scoring political points by an exaggerated focus on food and fuel shortages and gas problems (gas is in fact a Europe wide problem). A little more honest media coverage and the British public would be able to take most of this in their stride. The media have given us a big problem that is now harder to manage, which was in reality only a small problem that was easily managed!  I am not a political animal,  but have always been something of a news junkie, I am increasingly being turned off both!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 25 September 2021, 08:28:23 AM
The same types who are still wiping their behinds on last year's loo roll supply.

I plan to drive economically on my way to Carronade today.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 25 September 2021, 08:52:11 AM
I agree Norm! A few weeks ago the Today programme (IIRC) was speaking to a haulage contractor based in Lithuania and they were having exactly the same problems as we are right across Europe, yet we won't hear about it. As you say the gas problem we share with Europe. Hence I only tend to listen to the headlines these day and switch off.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 25 September 2021, 08:58:00 AM
Yep, it's the news announcements that have caused this. It would be better if they did not mention it at all. Then no panic buying by the idiots
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: kustenjaeger on 25 September 2021, 10:20:09 AM
My wife got more petrol yesterday from Sainsbury's and had to wait a while but it was a frustration rather than a problem.

The media doesn't help it is true.  However 'panic buying' of petrol is a bit different from foodstuffs in that you can only fit a finite amount in your car, so unless you are driving it a lot demand should fall off again. If I didn't have to drive on Wednesday to Milton Keynes our local driving would mean we wouldn't need more fuel for a good two to three weeks.

Edward
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 September 2021, 10:28:52 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 25 September 2021, 08:28:23 AM
The same types who are still wiping their behinds on last year's loo roll supply.

I bulk bought just before the panic buying, still got 1.75 rolls left.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 25 September 2021, 10:31:14 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 25 September 2021, 08:58:00 AM
Yep, it's the news announcements that have caused this. It would be better if they did not mention it at all. Then no panic buying by the idiots

Absolutely !!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The media, in all forms......now, sadly including 'Auntie', do this.

Ironically......The Technomobile is genuinely a bit short of petrol, and will definitely require filling up, in the next few days...We're lucky...a tank full lasts us around a month.
This morning....Down to the local village...get papers...'brunch'..and a couple of cards for Von's birthday which is fairly imminent.

The garage didn't seem to be over busy....Good :-bd....I'll go and get the petrol now.
Park at pump.....Garage operative comes out..."Sorry, we haven't run out of fuel....But the pumps and tills aren't 'talking' to each other...It's going to take 30 minutes, or so, before it's sorted out."

"No, sweat...I'll leave it for now."

Operative puts cones out, on the two entrances/exits to stop people coming onto the forecourt.

TOTAL FRIGGING CHAOS  ! =O =O =O

Me...driving around a cone to go out.

Some frigging idiot, moving the cones to drive in  :o :o......More folk trying to drive onto the forecourt...Folk trying to get out of the little carpark, next to the garage...and trying to get IN to the same carpark. X_X X_X X_X......Very cross faces !

I'm glad I got home without getting 'shunted'......I'd bet a pound to a penny, that's going to happen.....That'll make it even worse !!

Cheers - Phil. :)...Glad to be home !!


Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 25 September 2021, 12:05:09 PM
I will admit... that if I had still had to drive to Work... I 'might' have filled up... plus cans... not 'panic'... just 'caution'... but so many like myself, now, just 'Dont't need'... so media reaction, again. If a queue... wouldn't have bothered.
Note to self... see if anything still in 'cans' from 'last time'! lol.  ;D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 25 September 2021, 01:23:16 PM
Last time we had fuel shortages, we were told as essential workers we would be given a letter and sent to a specified petrol station to fill up.

This time I am working from home so only done 1500 miles in my old Focus in 6 months, including the trip to Devon.  I have half a tank left from holiday so that will last me at least a month, and the Audi is far more economical, so will fuel that when it needs it and use that if the problem continues.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 25 September 2021, 01:40:21 PM
The two words guaranteed to engender panic - "DON'T PANIC!"

If you are told that supplies of something you rely on are likely to be affected it only makes sense to grab some if you can.

I saw an interview with an Eastern European HGV driver online who used to work in the UK and now works in Spain because,"The English made it clear they don't want us and besides the weather is better here."

Emergency visa systems may help with the former but alas won't improve the weather :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 25 September 2021, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 September 2021, 01:40:21 PM
The two words guaranteed to engender panic - "DON'T PANIC!"

Totally right, Mike. (sadly) :'( :'( :'(

Time to start a panic for something else.......Water ?.....The Sun's about to go out, or go nova ?
Folk would be running to Boots to get sun block........

Blank me. X_X

Phil. :)

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 25 September 2021, 04:29:21 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 September 2021, 01:40:21 PM
The two words guaranteed to engender panic - "DON'T PANIC!"

Particularly in nice freindly letters !
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 25 September 2021, 06:23:06 PM
Thing about the Old 'Don't Panic' or similar, now fondly thought of, posters, was... those who would, would have done' already.. but those who Hadn't, got 'reassurance'...and a laugh!

HGV issue...  not funny... BUT!  How long since Brexit vote? How long for 'Business' / Hauliers to 'incentiviise', recruit and train UK  Drivers? Not Gov'ts fault,... but another'panic' to be bailed out...

In later years at work, 8 to 10 Big HGVs... foreign plated... parked up on industrial estate for sleepover. Drivers and Companies all paying Taxes, Profit, elsewhere! I don't like 'Containers'... but, if going to use... drop at Dock and UK work for dock and shipment... how Brexit SHOULD work! Bur 'Commerce' averse... and gov't not 'made' it happen

So... maybe another political response to 'Panic'.

But... the Old Posters Were Right! 'DON'T PANIC ! lol.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Big Insect on 25 September 2021, 07:08:29 PM
Here we go again

Passed 3 local petrol stations in our part of Bristol twice today (once on way 2 and once on way back) and the queues were as long at 19.00hrs this evening as they were at 10.00 this morning. Interesting that they were mostly full of large 4x4s - ideal for the close Victorian streets of Clifton & the school run of course !

We have half a tank of fuel left, which will keep our little A2 running for a week locally - so fingers cross all the panic-buyers will be happy and out the way by then!

The Press just love to create a crisis - as that means they can report it and sell more media/papers (e.g. advertising) to the twits that like to know about a crisis.  Lunacy!

Maybe we could get them all to panic about something useful - like picking up their dog mess or litter or not driving their little tiny ones to school in fuel guzzling monster cars or getting Bristol City Council to realise that their new electric scooters are just a serious (deadly) accident waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Gwydion on 25 September 2021, 07:21:52 PM
Odd, there didn't appear to be any fuel queues this side of the Severn yesterday.

I dropped my daughter off to work this afternoon however and all the petrol stations were chaotic with cars backed up onto roads. Tesco was  as Steve described the scene in his original post - queues blocking the entrance to the supermarket car park, already a sign saying they had run out diesel. =)

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 25 September 2021, 07:56:42 PM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 25 September 2021, 06:23:06 PM
HGV issue...  not funny... BUT!  How long since Brexit vote? How long for 'Business' / Hauliers to 'incentiviise', recruit and train UK  Drivers? Not Gov'ts fault,... but another'panic' to be bailed out...

In later years at work, 8 to 10 Big HGVs... foreign plated... parked up on industrial estate for sleepover. Drivers and Companies all paying Taxes, Profit, elsewhere! I don't like 'Containers'... but, if going to use... drop at Dock and UK work for dock and shipment... how Brexit SHOULD work! Bur 'Commerce' averse... and gov't not 'made' it happen


Hauliers were complaining of a shortage of drivers way before Brexit, that just massively compounded the problem.

If recruiting and training drivers were easy we wouldn't have this problem. Very few people want to spend nights sleeping in thier cabs, away from home for days or even weeks, with no social life to speak of.

When I worked with the local mobile library service we had no problem getting HGV drivers for the artics.  Regular hours, by their standards, even though it was shift work. Sleeping in their own beds at night. The pay was way less than long distance driving got you but the perks made up for it.

Most containers on foreign lorries were loaded up on the continent and do door-to-door delivery. Off-loading and re-loading containers would be crazy.

Brexit was utterly stupid but not's let make it worse than it needs to be. If we are determined to be a third rate nation, let's at least aim to be the best third rate nation we can be.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 25 September 2021, 08:02:15 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 25 September 2021, 07:56:42 PM
Hauliers were complaining of a shortage of drivers way before Brexit, that just massively compounded the problem.

If recruiting and training drivers were easy we wouldn't have this problem. Very few people want to spend nights sleeping in thier cabs, away from home for days or even weeks, with no social life to speak of.

When I worked with the local mobile library service we had no problem getting HGV drivers for the artics.  Regular hours, by their standards, even though it was shift work. Sleeping in their own beds at night. The pay was way less than long distance driving got you but the perks made up for it.

Most containers on foreign lorries were loaded up on the continent and do door-to-door delivery. Off-loading and re-loading containers would be crazy.

Brexit was utterly stupid but not's let make it worse than it needs to be. If we are determined to be a third rate nation, let's at least aim to be the best third rate nation we can be.

With the take off of delivery (parcels, take always ...) there is a lot of alternative employment for trained drivers that doesn't involve all the issues above.

It doesn't help when the person telling you "It's a minor supply issue, don't panic" has a track record as an untrustworthy chancer.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 25 September 2021, 08:05:12 PM
Mark, don't get me started on those bl**dy electric scooters. Suffice to say I hate them and those private ones that aren't meant to be on the pavements and roads >:(.

In South Glos the taxi/bus service for getting children with additional needs to school has had to be suspended until next month due to a shortage of drivers. Covid is being blamed, but I imagine a lot have moved to better paid driving jobs, at least for the short term.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Westmarcher on 25 September 2021, 10:18:15 PM
Someone, somewhere, has suggested we start a panic buying rumour for condoms - might result in less idiots in the world.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 25 September 2021, 10:26:38 PM
Davy.

That's a brilliant idea !  ;D  ;D ;D

Cheers - Phil :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 25 September 2021, 11:47:58 PM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 25 September 2021, 10:18:15 PM
Someone, somewhere, has suggested we start a panic buying rumour for condoms - might result in less idiots in the world.

I think someone  tried  to achieve a similar impact by getting a minor washed-up actor to campaign against the covid lockdown and mask-wearing
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: whubble on 25 September 2021, 11:57:24 PM
At least its not toilet paper!! :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 26 September 2021, 11:37:00 AM
Home...from heroically braving the heaving crowds, to get the normal Sunday food shop done !

For crying out loud ;D ;D ;D ;D.....I went in 20 minutes earlier than usual, just in case the 'sheep' were blocking the way to the Tecso's store and garage....That was MY concern.
Arrived 20 minutes earlier than normal...(there's a surprise.).....No horrid queues.....HUZZAH !!  :-bd

Thinks....."If the garage is quiet, I'll get some petrol now."......Well...there's quiet..and then there's very quiet.

Apart from a young chap on a motorcycle..I was the only one there !! ;D ;D ;D

Chatting to the operative on the garage till...Sounded like it was complete pandemonium on Friday...(they did run out of fuel, at one point..until a tanker turned up)....yesterday (Saturday) was pretty normal.
From what I gleaned from Matey at the till......Folk, who they recognised as coming in once a week for £15 worth of fuel, were all going for at least twice as much.
Matey at the till was fairly confident that they'll have a very quiet couple of weeks now....Good !!!!.... those poor sods deserve a bit of a break now !

I loathe the media. ;)

Cheers - Phil. ;)

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 26 September 2021, 11:39:53 AM
Well last time I filled up I wuz tut only un on tut forecourt. Mind you was 07:00, and it had just opened, wuz on me ways to Dungworth near Shef....
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Norm on 26 September 2021, 12:33:01 PM
Saw a funny joke on the phone.

It is a picture of a chalk board outside a pub, the top part said 'Beer about to run out', the lower part said 'Panic buy here!, :-) very good.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 26 September 2021, 12:37:36 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nice one, Norm !

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Westmarcher on 26 September 2021, 12:40:34 PM
'tun out' - for beer, that's an apt typo!   :P

Anyway, what we really need to know is, "Where is this pub?"   We need to know.   Now!   :'( =P~ 

(pretty please)  :-[
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 26 September 2021, 12:50:39 PM
Quote from: Norm on 26 September 2021, 12:33:01 PM
Saw a funny joke on the phone.

It is a picture of a chalk board outside a pub, the top part said 'Beer about to tun out', the lower part said 'Panic buy here!, :-) very good.

That deserves a coat chewing - NOBBY !!!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Norm on 26 September 2021, 12:55:54 PM
Quote from: Westmarcher on 26 September 2021, 12:40:34 PM
'tun out' - for beer, that's an apt typo!   :P

Anyway, what we really need to know is, "Where is this pub?"   We need to know.   Now!   :'( =P~ 

(pretty please)  :-[

Thanks - fixed, doh!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Gwydion on 26 September 2021, 07:16:18 PM
Apparently saying: 'Don't Panic!' doesn't work.

2/3 of petrol stations now empty!

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 26 September 2021, 07:55:00 PM
No one's panic buying, they're all just being sensible and prudent . . .
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 27 September 2021, 07:12:23 AM
What are you trying to say, Martyn ?  ;) ;D

It does seem to be very variable, area by area.

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 27 September 2021, 08:10:13 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 27 September 2021, 07:12:23 AM
What are you trying to say, Martyn ?  ;) ;D

It does seem to be very variable, area by area.

Cheers - Phil. :)

I may have been being slightly sarcastic . . .

But . . .

If you'd ask people "Are you panic buying?", I bet most would say "No, I'm just sensibly filling up before they run out.".

Although there are always idiots. I remember the last shortage (caused by a tanker driver's strike, I believe?), there was one local taxi driver found with three plastic bins full of diesel being stored in his house.

My car's almost empty. Luckily I don't have to use it for anything in the next couple of days. Hopefully things will return to normal soon.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 27 September 2021, 08:31:23 AM
Quote from: Gwydion on 26 September 2021, 07:16:18 PM
Apparently saying: 'Don't Panic!' doesn't work.
2/3 of petrol stations now empty!

Probably same 'News' article'... from suppliers, (issues), and not time specific, Gather some places 'Ran out' until next delivery!
Local Tesco on Sunday... small queues, but not more than usual.. and they must have been queuing for something! Myself, 80% full... but don't have to drive to work, now. Not that bothered.

Raider... also remember reading about the Taxi driver storing petrol in Wheelie Bins! Wonder if they... or house, still there? LOL!

Myself... have six BIG  plastic cans ex work, next to Boiler... still marked 'Deionised Water'... so not to scare Gas engineer... But filled with Tap Water! lo,!  :d
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: DecemDave on 27 September 2021, 08:38:28 AM
Quote from: Raider4 on 26 September 2021, 07:55:00 PM
No one's panic buying, they're all just being sensible and prudent . . .

Thats how I rationalise having a 15 year stock of minis to paint......  Avoiding future increases in metal prices or the banning of single use plastic.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: hammurabi70 on 27 September 2021, 10:53:38 AM
Quote from: DecemDave on 27 September 2021, 08:38:28 AM
Thats how I rationalise having a 15 year stock of minis to paint......  Avoiding future increases in metal prices or the banning of single use plastic.


A novice! I am still working on purchases from the 1980s!

I think London is totally dry; last night on our 50-mile trip home every facility we passed displayed a NO FUEL sign.  What was really annoying was trying to negotiate the roads in the morning with everyone queuing for fuel.  Once all the car tanks are full we will, presumably, return to something nearer normality.  We can be a smug household as we no longer commute for work and a full tank does 80 trips to the mother-in-law but I think it true that those who really need fuel are just taking sensible precautions.  Which idiot suggested the media should have a DON'T PANIC headline?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leman on 27 September 2021, 11:19:02 AM
I've bought an electric car.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 September 2021, 11:43:06 AM
But you are in the Netherlands - is there panic buying there ?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 27 September 2021, 01:22:58 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 26 September 2021, 07:55:00 PM
No one's panic buying, they're all just being sensible and prudent . . .

Not all of them..

I am being sensible and prudent.
The others are panic buying.
The ones ahead of me in the queue are causing a crisis.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leman on 27 September 2021, 03:51:54 PM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 27 September 2021, 11:43:06 AM
But you are in the Netherlands - is there panic buying there ?
Don't be silly, we're still in the EU with the right to freedom of movement. My downstairs neighbours are Bulgarians, on the next street live Austrians and Hungarians. Round the corner are Poles and the next corner are some Germans. Then scattered amongst the rest of us are the Surinamese, Indonesians (as a result of Dutch Empire), and the Eritreans, Syrians etc. because the Dutch don't regard asylum seekers as some kind of virus. Furthermore there is a love of HGVs in the Netherlands, so there appear to be plenty of things being hauled by lorries, plus the superb rail network and the huge canal and river network across Europe moving goods here and there. It would appear the news media are not keeping you informed that you are the only country experiencing such a crisis. That would be an admission that the Brexit experiment is not working.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 27 September 2021, 04:07:28 PM
They had the Lithuanian haulier chap on the radio again this morning and they are still experiencing HGV driver shortages in the EU. No problems with fuel though!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Big Insect on 27 September 2021, 07:31:11 PM
Quote from: Leman on 27 September 2021, 11:19:02 AM
I've bought an electric car.

I was thinking of that - especially now our barking mad Mayor (Mad Marvin) is thinking of introducing a low emissions zone in Central Bristol & our little A2 wont comply. Said 'zone' would starts at the bottom of our road (but doesn't include ours - so we are not exempt) - but means that if we want to leave the road to go anywhere sensible (shops or just out of Bristol) we will have to enter the zone & either comply or pay each time!!!

However, as there is only on-road parking where I live, the charging of said electric car is going to be very tricky - as you can never guarantee to park outside your own house.
The bloke next door however - who has bought an electric car in advance of the new zone coming into force - has also installed a fantastic gadget - a bit like those large gantry type overhead swivel hoses, the sort of thing you see on oil rigs and fuel tankers. So he can park his car up to 4 doors away from his house and run a charging cable over the pavement above car and head-height out to his car to charge it. I am just waiting for this year crop of students to fix their eyes on this and either try and swing on it or cut it (for drunken amusement); or one day he'll forget and park it on the opposite side of the road and the bin lorry will carry it off as it gets tangled in it.

Like all such things - there is no joined up thinking in things these days.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Big Insect on 27 September 2021, 07:36:50 PM
Interesting interview on the Radio 4 late this afternoon about the dangers of electric scooters - some poor woman who got hit by one and suffered horrific injuries.

I nearly ran into one of the blighters going the wrong way up a one way street in the dark, with no lights on. As I swerved to miss it, and beeped my horn, his passenger stuck 2 fingers up at me.
Surely there must be some Darwinian theory about the combination of 'fresher students' (you can tell I live in a city with 2 universities) and electric scooters.
I could have wiped out at least half-a dozen new freshers in the last week - usually mindlessly lost in their headphones, looking intently at their mobile phones, whilst crossing busy road junctions without looking.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: jimduncanuk on 27 September 2021, 07:49:21 PM
I live in a cul-de-sac (mid-terrace villa) where some houses have their own driveways and some park their cars where they can (like me). There is not enough space for all the cars owned by people who live in the street to park at the same time.

Installing my own electric car charge station would be pointless as I couldn't guarantee being able to park within reach of it unless I converted my front garden into a private driveway. My car would then be right outside my living room window. I don't think the city council would allow that.

Plan B

My youngest daughter lives just 15 minutes up the road and she has a private driveway at the side of her semi-detached house. We could install an electric car charge station there as there is room for two cars. Arranging a time for access would be a doddle.

Now, all I need is an electric car that I can afford and which will allow me to drive 4 hours to York and another 4 hours to Edinburgh the same day without a top up charge. I'll probably die first.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 27 September 2021, 09:07:46 PM
Radio 4 is running a 3 part (I think) look into the current situation of being able to drive around and charge electric cars. To pick my daughter up from Edinburgh it would not be possible currently, without a significant increase in journey time and assuming I could find a space to charge en route. Then where she lives in a flat with no access to the road, simply impossible to charge.

Where I used to work we did some work for a couple of companies like Ecotricity for charging stations on forecourts. IIRC the cost and time roll out across the whole country was eye watering expensive and time consuming.  Even where we live we'd have to park in the back lane and run a cable from the garage, once we'd had a charging point installed. So at present a completely unviable situation IMHO :(.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 27 September 2021, 09:16:31 PM
Until the problem of driving 300 miles --> 10 minute "re-charge" --> drive another 300 miles is solved can't see them being viable.

Always wondered why they don't make the support cars in in road cycling (i.e. Tour de France) electric. Limited (and known) daily mileage, usually < 250km. Would be a great advert for them.

Or the support/camera bikes in road races. Can't be much fun for the runners, breathing in those petrol fumes.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 27 September 2021, 09:26:12 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 27 September 2021, 09:16:31 PM
Until the problem of driving 300 miles --> 10 minute "re-charge" --> drive another 300 miles is solved can't see them being viable.

Always wondered why they don't make the support cars in in road cycling (i.e. Tour de France) electric. Limited (and known) daily mileage, usually < 250km. Would be a great advert for them.

Or the support/camera bikes in road races. Can't be much fun for the runners, breathing in those petrol fumes.

The team cars are nearly all nearly all Skoda Octavia, which are available in electric.
I wonder whether it's simple inertia (We'll get around to it soon), or the difficulty of locating 120 charging points in some of the start/finish towns

A miniscule start, but the "Derny" (Lead moped used in Keirin races and some endurance time trials) is now electric.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: hammurabi70 on 28 September 2021, 01:27:07 AM
Quote from: Leman on 27 September 2021, 11:19:02 AM
I've bought an electric car.

On the assumption that it is the-real-deal rather than a radio-control car it would be very interesting to know how you view recharging and range.  As already expressed, current models have long recharge times and limited range.  It is a lot of money to invest and one really wants to be sure it will deliver the needed performance.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 28 September 2021, 06:41:02 AM
Sometime... even with electric, we are going to HAVE to 'go back' to 19c settlement, transport network along with nationalised utilities...  and integrated Central planning for any 'development' of housing or retail/manufacture.
'Resources' WILL become shorter for increasing population.
Just CANNOT work, otherwise
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: sultanbev on 28 September 2021, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 28 September 2021, 06:41:02 AM
Sometime... even with electric, we are going to HAVE to 'go back' to 19c settlement, transport network along with nationalised utilities...  and integrated Central planning for any 'development' of housing or retail/manufacture.
'Resources' WILL become shorter for increasing population.
Just CANNOT work, otherwise

Anyone wanting more details on this, follow Tim Watkins' blog Consciousness of Sheep:
https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/

You'll find it is mathematically impossible to replace all 1.4 billion fossil fuel cars on the planet 1 for 1 with electric ones. Just to do all the UK's cars would take up planetary resources for a few years of certain metals. This is before we even get to the predicament of being able to run them all simultaneously.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 28 September 2021, 11:24:08 AM
IIRC there is not enough of one of the crucial metals used for batteries to make them just for cars, talk of other uses for batteries.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 28 September 2021, 12:35:29 PM
I can 'sort of ' see' 'Horse' coming back. But with the huge population growth since the 40s and much of the grazing/ hay fodder, now 'Housing'...
Oh Well...  I probably won't be around.. so let 'Them' get by... :( >:(
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 28 September 2021, 12:36:45 PM
Quote from: sultanbev on 28 September 2021, 09:34:46 AM
Anyone wanting more details on this, follow Tim Watkins' blog Consciousness of Sheep:
https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/

You'll find it is mathematically impossible to replace all 1.4 billion fossil fuel cars on the planet 1 for 1 with electric ones. Just to do all the UK's cars would take up planetary resources for a few years of certain metals. This is before we even get to the predicament of being able to run them all simultaneously.


Public transport!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 28 September 2021, 12:56:48 PM
Nowt wrong wit trains - commuyin to Ormskirk termarrw
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 28 September 2021, 01:00:15 PM
Quote from: flamingpig0 on 28 September 2021, 12:36:45 PM
Public transport!
Yes... but need to reactivate all the 19c railway network... and supply power... unless we go back to 'Steam'...  :o
Have read that Dutch run their rail by  windmill generated elecctric.
For MYSELF.. I Hate the sight of Wind Turbines... but...  :(
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 28 September 2021, 01:22:27 PM
We need to start by not transporting stuff hundreds of miles, when it can be sourced locally.  Insisting on only selling electric cars in 2030 is ludicrous, when every supermarket is flying in fresh produce from all over the world.

We need to buy local and buy in season produce. It would then be less need to wrap everything in plastic.

Years ag when I used to help out a charity in Norfolk, I went to buy a several boxes of mushrooms for the charity catering from the local farm shop.   The local fam had a sign up saying "Local mushrooms", but they were in a box marked with a London address.  I asked the farmers wife about this, and she said "We have a very good deal that means we have to sell all our crop to a particular wholesaler. They collect the mushrooms and take them to London to be packed in their own boxes. We tell them how many we want back and they send them back on the lorry that comes to collect the next load. We are not allowed under the terms of the contract to sell our own mushrooms direct. "

She agreed it was mad but the price they got meant that they could not afford to do otherwise.


Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: howayman on 28 September 2021, 01:28:15 PM
Love it when people shout use public transport
I am a decorator and the bus driver would not be amused when i turn up with a 3m+ ladder, at least 1 pair of steps, 2-3 tins of paint and a tool box at least.
Then ask for a return to some small village in Northumberland.
Its always seemed nice to go to work in the same place at the same times every day for ever!
And i am not alone. ;)
Can electric cars tow?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 02:17:44 PM
I'm just holding out for driverless electric cars like they've trialled in some places. Automatic cars that you can just ping when you need them and the nearest one comes to you. Same for modular public transport and HGVs. Once we get us meatsacks away from behind the wheel transportation will become many times more efficient and safer. No need for traffic lights, calming measures, roundabouts, speed limits...just a full autonomous transportation system.

Of course, it'll be a while yet before that's viable anywhere but big cities, but it's a start!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 28 September 2021, 02:39:08 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 02:17:44 PM
I'm just holding out for driverless electric cars like they've trialled in some places. Automatic cars that you can just ping when you need them and the nearest one comes to you. Same for modular public transport and HGVs. Once we get us meatsacks away from behind the wheel transportation will become many times more efficient and safer. No need for traffic lights, calming measures, roundabouts, speed limits...just a full autonomous transportation system.

Of course, it'll be a while yet before that's viable anywhere but big cities, but it's a start!

I doubt that any on this forum will live long enough to see that. Our Grandchildren might
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 28 September 2021, 02:48:58 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 02:17:44 PM
I'm just holding out for driverless electric cars like they've trialled in some places. Automatic cars that you can just ping when you need them and the nearest one comes to you. Same for modular public transport and HGVs. Once we get us meatsacks away from behind the wheel transportation will become many times more efficient and safer. No need for traffic lights, calming measures, roundabouts, speed limits...just a full autonomous transportation system.

Of course, it'll be a while yet before that's viable anywhere but big cities, but it's a start!

A whole new meaning for "Blue Screen Of Death." :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 28 September 2021, 02:51:08 PM
I certainly won't live long enough to see that !

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 02:57:06 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 28 September 2021, 02:39:08 PM
I doubt that any on this forum will live long enough to see that. Our Grandchildren might

Certainly, a fully automated transport system is a ways off, but driverless cars running like a taxi or uber will become widespread within the next few years in major cities. They've been doing successful public trials in America (Pheonix, Arizona I think) and rolling it out elsewhere. They're also conducting trials using automated trucks doing depot to depot runs in the same area. Of course, that's somewhere with large well-maintained roads and consistent weather conditions but the benefit is that the "experience" gained by one automated vehicle can share and combine with all the other vehicles, so the learning curve is very fast. This means any one driverless vehicle has the equivalent of millions of hours of driving experience both on the road and in simulations, so expanding into areas with more difficult conditions will happen pretty quickly as they accumulate the experience. So I suspect by 2030 a lot of cross country goods transport will be automated. Though I'm with orcs on trying to buy local as much as possible, its not always realistic for those who don't live near a lot of agricultural producers so optimising the transportation systems in as low an impact way as possible is key.

Amazon unveiled a rideshare driverless car with a 16 hour constant run time charge to charge as well and I suspect as they become more widespread swappable batteries will become a thing so you don't even need to wait for a charge, just stop off at a station, system switches over your low battery for a charged one and off you go while it charges your old one up again.

We either have to get to a point very quickly that we can dramatically do away with fossil fuels, or completely reform our society to a pre-industrial one, and that isn't going to happen so pushing forward with technological solutions as quickly as possible is the only way.

The other interesting change will be in air travel. I hear they're looking into airships again as being much more efficient than airplanes. Hopefully a century of technological improvement will avoid the disasters of past experiments with them!

(Cue Iron Maiden's "Empire of the Clouds")
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 28 September 2021, 03:10:36 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 02:57:06 PM
Amazon unveiled a rideshare driverless car with a 16 hour constant run time charge to charge as well and I suspect as they become more widespread swappable batteries will become a thing so you don't even need to wait for a charge, just stop off at a station, system switches over your low battery for a charged one and off you go while it charges your old one up again.

I don't see how we run rafts of electirc cars without some variation of this.

It would make mmcv's "ping 'em with an app and they come to you" fleets easier to run if the vehicles could return to base, have a robot* pull out a low charge battery and replace it with a full one in minutes and then get back to work.

*If they can milk cows, they can change batteries!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 03:29:55 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 28 September 2021, 03:10:36 PM
I don't see how we run rafts of electirc cars without some variation of this.

It would make mmcv's "ping 'em with an app and they come to you" fleets easier to run if the vehicles could return to base, have a robot* pull out a low charge battery and replace it with a full one in minutes and then get back to work.

*If they can milk cows, they can change batteries!

I think there have been some places they're trying out swappable batteries, I'm sure robotic swaps at a station will come in time as it becomes more efficient.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: howayman on 28 September 2021, 03:49:15 PM
Battery shape/style should be standardized now to allow rapid change over in future design, rather than rapid charge.
Otherwise each car manufacturer will have their own shape of battery, possibly each model will have a different shape making rapid changes impossible.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Gwydion on 28 September 2021, 04:17:09 PM
A lot of the problems are/will be societal/commercial not technological.

Will people give up car ownership for communal vehicles? When we've spent the last 60 years selling the car as a symbol of individual success in a dream of robust democratic competition?

Battery efficiency is dramatically improving and the use of Sodium vice Lithium is being developed - cheaper availability and does not require rare earth metals like Lithium ion batteries. Large scale use of this technology will allow storage of electricity from solar and wind for use when it is dark and still.

But we need to think and consume more locally, like Orcs said. One of the problems I remember a car manufacturer outlining (just before Brexit but this applies whether we are in or out of Europe) was the just in time supply of parts going back and forth across the channel to complete the vehicle - some components travelled four or five times before being finally installed. Often components will have initially travelled from China of course. There may be financial/political reasons that makes sense but I can't think of any ecological ones.

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 28 September 2021, 04:18:40 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 02:17:44 PM
I'm just holding out for driverless electric cars like they've trialled in some places. Automatic cars that you can just ping when you need them and the nearest one comes to you.

And the one that turns up is covered in the previous user's vomit . . .
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Gwydion on 28 September 2021, 04:36:32 PM
I rest my case m'lud. :)

(and whose insurance pays up when the 'driverless' vehicle software crashes - along with the car?)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 28 September 2021, 04:57:09 PM
Basically we have too many people on the planet. When I was born the global population was 3.2 billion, now it is 7.8 billion. When I was at Uni in 1983, the automotive industry knew that it couldn't allow China to become a car owning state, due to the pollution emitted given its population size. Really I think we are talking about sticking plaster solutions when major surgery is required :(.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: DecemDave on 28 September 2021, 05:00:13 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 28 September 2021, 04:57:09 PM
When I was born the global population was 3.2 billion, now it is 7.8 billion.
Gosh you have been busy  :D 
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 05:18:12 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 28 September 2021, 04:18:40 PM
And the one that turns up is covered in the previous user's vomit . . .

Possible, but there are systems that can flag stuff like that to return that one to base for cleaning and get another, not foolproof, but manageable. Perhaps even having check in stations that they can go to between rides to be inspected by a human.

Quote from: Steve J on 28 September 2021, 04:57:09 PM
Basically we have too many people on the planet. When I was born the global population was 3.2 billion, now it is 7.8 billion. When I was at Uni in 1983, the automotive industry knew that it couldn't allow China to become a car owning state, due to the pollution emitted given its population size. Really I think we are talking about sticking plaster solutions when major surgery is required :(.

The pandemic had a damn good try at that but hasn't made much of a dent on the grand scheme. Probably needs another world war to get the sort of population reduction we'd need :| as I don't particularly relish the idea of that then I have to hope technological progress will provide the solutions.

Quote from: Gwydion on 28 September 2021, 04:17:09 PM
A lot of the problems are/will be societal/commercial not technological.

Will people give up car ownership for communal vehicles? When we've spent the last 60 years selling the car as a symbol of individual success in a dream of robust democratic competition?

Certainly waste culture is a big part of it and I agree there needs to be large social reforms. I hate shopping in supermarkets if I can avoid it as the amount of plastic and waste is just terrifying and unnecessary. But for many people there's no other option and unless those monster industries commit to it quickly and on a large scale there's a limit to what the consumer can do as their choice are limited.

The idea of items like cars as status symbol is probably partly a generational one. My generation and younger (the dreaded Millenials and Gen Z) seem to be less driven (no pun intended) by such things as a trend. A lot of those traditional status symbols and milestones are already out of reach for many of them, so there's less emphasis put on ownership by many compared to experiences and reputation. Not all, of course, there's a huge number of people such that any grand sweeping generational statements are largely moot, but there's enough of a trend that I wouldn't see the idea of using a service like that being a problem for a large portion, perhaps a majority.

I'd say already in a lot of big cities car ownership is way down as it just becomes impractical vs calling an uber, etc. I'd happily get rid of my car if there was a reliable on demand services available. For every fancy white BMW status symbol car on the road there's easily 20 or 30 "does the job" cars that serve a practical purpose and fill a need.

People haven't had too much trouble switching from "physical" concepts like say CDs and DVDs, to "non tangible subscriptions" like Spotify and Netflix. It's a similar idea just scaled up a bit more.

So if it becomes easier and more pragmatic for people to give up their cars they will in droves because it'll be more convenient. Hit a app and get a car in 5 mins, no faffing with taxes, MOTs, mechanics, or even if you've a headache or a sore back or whatever.

That's why I think the solutions will have to be technological, as people as a whole generally won't change their behaviours for abstract concepts, they will change their behaviours due to whatever is easiest and most convenient.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 28 September 2021, 06:09:07 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 03:29:55 PM
I think there have been some places they're trying out swappable batteries, I'm sure robotic swaps at a station will come in time as it becomes more efficient.

Hang on a minute, They can't even get a standardized Phone Charger, let alone a standard size and shaped and weight battery that will fit multiple makes of car.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leon on 28 September 2021, 06:21:14 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 28 September 2021, 04:57:09 PM
Basically we have too many people on the planet. When I was born the global population was 3.2 billion, now it is 7.8 billion. When I was at Uni in 1983, the automotive industry knew that it couldn't allow China to become a car owning state, due to the pollution emitted given its population size. Really I think we are talking about sticking plaster solutions when major surgery is required :(.

There was an interesting BBC article about this last year, where the number of babies being born per person is falling dramatically and the population in some countries will have halved by the end of this century.  Japan is projected to fall from 128 million to only 53 million, Italy from 61m to 28m over the same timeframe. 

"As a result, the researchers expect the number of people on the planet to peak at 9.7 billion around 2064, before falling down to 8.8 billion by the end of the century."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53409521

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/168BB/production/_113374329_projected_population640-nc.png)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 28 September 2021, 06:27:02 PM
Blimey, Nigeria's going to be crowded!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 28 September 2021, 06:38:28 PM
Having lived in Nigeria with a population of over a 100 million in the mid 90's, I dread to think what it will be like if the projected figures are correct :(. Large parts of the North are uninhabitable due to increasing desertification (leading to ever increasing ethnic tensions and killings), so the already over crowded cities will only get worse.

And yes Dave, I have been busy, which is why my back hurts ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 28 September 2021, 06:09:07 PM
Hang on a minute, They can't even get a standardized Phone Charger, let alone a standard size and shaped and weight battery that will fit multiple makes of car.

Haha yes, well for the car battery it is only for the same company. But for phone chargers they've got it down to a couple of ones, so it's pretty much just Apple using one type and everyone else (including Apple on some devices) using the other. Might be more impetus for it on cars though given the infrastructural implications.

Then again, if it has to be organised by governments....  :-X

Quote from: Leon on 28 September 2021, 06:21:14 PM

"As a result, the researchers expect the number of people on the planet to peak at 9.7 billion around 2064, before falling down to 8.8 billion by the end of the century."

The issue with that though, as being seen already in some countries including the UK, is the economic impact of an aging retired population and no young workers to support them. Also suspect there damage will have been done by the time the population starts dropping off again  :(
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 28 September 2021, 07:48:25 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 07:33:37 PM
The issue with that though, as being seen already in some countries including the UK, is the economic impact of an aging retired population and no young workers to support them. Also suspect there damage will have been done by the time the population starts dropping off again  :(

We need pestilence plague and famine to reduce the population.  One down two to go
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Elliesdad on 28 September 2021, 08:00:53 PM
The obvious answer is that the planet has too many people but with only a finite (and decreasing) amount of resources.

Fewer people should mean that the rate at which humans "use" the resources is slowed down.

Then again, vast number of people these days feel they are "entitled" so it can be difficult to get them to accept the changing situation.
For example, I used to work with a guy (in Sheffield, England) who had a flat/apartment in Barcelona (Spain)  so he could "pop over for plenty of weekends-away". But what about all the cost of flying to/from Barcelona, both £££ and carbon footprint etc?
I can genuinely see a time when many (most?) humans will not be able to "go to Dubai" for the weekend, let alone visit the temples in Southeast Asia. In some respects I have no problem with that. We have to carefully look after our resources and not squander them...

One final note - I heard of one guy complaining he'd tried unsuccessfully to fill his petrol tank with fuel. He spent 2 hours (yes, two hours) trying to buy more petrol. I wonder if he could see the irony at all...?

Geoff
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 09:11:55 PM
Thankfully the panic hasn't affected us here, petrol station was fairly empty if people this evening. Not seen any queues at all.

I suspect we'll not be able to reduce the overall population without some pretty nasty measures. Even a one child policy won't help without a massive population redistribution.

We needed to be taking those steps decades ago. That's why I think the only solution now is to go through, using technology and progress. People, at least many of them, are ultimately too selfish and self absorbed to "plant trees under whose shade they'll never sit".
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 28 September 2021, 09:34:20 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 02:17:44 PM
I'm just holding out for driverless electric cars like they've trialled in some places. Automatic cars that you can just ping when you need them and the nearest one comes to you. Same for modular public transport and HGVs. Once we get us meatsacks away from behind the wheel transportation will become many times more efficient and safer. No need for traffic lights, calming measures, roundabouts, speed limits...just a full autonomous transportation system.

Of course, it'll be a while yet before that's viable anywhere but big cities, but it's a start!

That Raymond Baxter off of the Tomorrow's Worlds promised me flying cars by 2000.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Elliesdad on 28 September 2021, 09:42:35 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 09:11:55 PM
People, at least many of them, are ultimately too selfish and self absorbed to "plant trees under whose shade they'll never sit".

That's because vast numbers of people believe they are "special".
Normal rules don't apply to them and they should have everything & anything they want (because they are special, after all).
The special ones don't have to take a turn in a queue, or wait until they've saved money to buy something - they "want what they want", and they want it immediately, now, without delay.
The rest of the world, seemingly, just needs to bow to the every whim of the special ones.

No. For humanity to continue, to enjoy a decent standard of living in a pleasant, healthy natural world then I suspect we are going to have to make some painful decisions. Yet it seems that many - even in Governments - are reluctant to "grasp the nettle" and seize the opportunity now, while we still can.
It hardly fills me with confidence.





Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 28 September 2021, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 28 September 2021, 09:34:20 PM
That Raymond Baxter off of the Tomorrow's Worlds promised me flying cars by 2000.

Wasn't the oil supposed to have run out by then anyway?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 28 September 2021, 10:13:24 PM
Bear in mind that human development, and population growth have been closely linked to most effective harnessing of energy resources.

Unfashionable as it is, we are still in the petrochemical age.
If we cannot find an efficient replacement before the supplies run short, we will go into decline.
If we crack fusion power or some other miracle energy, we may continue to grow.

Wars have been remarkably inefficient at reducing human population.
Now obviously letting off all the Nukes at once would make an interesting exception.
But a few Armageddon fans aside, we don't wish to go there.

Natural disasters leading to widespread harvest failure, or diseases have had far greater effect.

Most of the west's disease preparation has been focused on the day when our Antibiotics lose their powers.
A good deal of the post Antibiotic planning has been practiced during the first 6 months of covid.

If I know what would happen next, I'd buy a lottery ticket.

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: sultanbev on 28 September 2021, 10:58:41 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 28 September 2021, 04:57:09 PM
Basically we have too many people on the planet. When I was born the global population was 3.2 billion, now it is 7.8 billion. When I was at Uni in 1983, the automotive industry knew that it couldn't allow China to become a car owning state, due to the pollution emitted given its population size. Really I think we are talking about sticking plaster solutions when major surgery is required :(.

Exactly. People have done the maths and the sustainable carrying capacity of the planet is c500,000,000. Or it was, on an undamaged planet. 97% of the planet's surface has been degraded by human activity in some form, so even that is questionable. As I put on other forums:

This is not a climate crisis.
Climate chaos is merely a symptom of the predicament we are in.
It's not even a crisis of capitalism. Whatever -ism we would have had after WW2 would have got us to the same place.
It's not even a crisis of overpopulation and overconsumption (although they both play a huge part)

It is a crisis of civilisation itself. How humans organise, feed and equip themselves whilst staying within the ecological limits of a now resource-famished planet along with all the other species on the planet.



Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: Elliesdad on 28 September 2021, 09:42:35 PM
That's because vast numbers of people believe they are "special".

Yeah and most of them are in positions of power so have no incentive to change things, and will likely be gone by the time it gets really bad. Ultimately appeals to conscience will only go so far, need to create a situation, either through social shame or pragmatic self interest for people to make changes. There is a growing movement towards social attitudes pressuring the big problem makers, but suspect it comes too late. Maybe we should be looking into underwater biospheres? Then we can survive a few more generations and properly mess up the rest of the ocean too (though not much left we've not ruined). Or get building those generational spaceships...

But yeah, realistically our best bet are some bright scientists finding solutions, like the plastic eating bacteria, new power sources with less negative side effects, more efficient ways to use what we have already.

Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 28 September 2021, 09:34:20 PM
That Raymond Baxter off of the Tomorrow's Worlds promised me flying cars by 2000.

Here you go, only a little late www.bbc.com/news/technology-57651843. Do we really need flying cars though?

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 29 September 2021, 02:13:40 AM
Quote from: Elliesdad on 28 September 2021, 08:00:53 PM
The obvious answer is that the planet has too many people but with only a finite (and decreasing) amount of resources.

Fewer people should mean that the rate at which humans "use" the resources is slowed down.

Then again, vast number of people these days feel they are "entitled" so it can be difficult to get them to accept the changing situation.
For example, I used to work with a guy (in Sheffield, England) who had a flat/apartment in Barcelona (Spain)  so he could "pop over for plenty of weekends-away". But what about all the cost of flying to/from Barcelona, both £££ and carbon footprint etc?
I can genuinely see a time when many (most?) humans will not be able to "go to Dubai" for the weekend, let alone visit the temples in Southeast Asia. In some respects I have no problem with that. We have to carefully look after our resources and not squander them...

One final note - I heard of one guy complaining he'd tried unsuccessfully to fill his petrol tank with fuel. He spent 2 hours (yes, two hours) trying to buy more petrol. I wonder if he could see the irony at all...?

Geoff

May I visit a few temples in Southeast Asia if I walk? My favourite is about four miles away.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 29 September 2021, 03:13:38 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 28 September 2021, 09:34:20 PM
That Raymond Baxter off of the Tomorrow's Worlds promised me flying cars by 2000.

Edgar Rice Burroughs promised underdressed incredibly hot female Martians.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 29 September 2021, 04:23:33 AM
WOW! A Really 'wandering' thread! So, some random responses.... some 'contentious'...

Certainly possiible with present tech to replace a car battery in a 'robotic' station... just quicker, easier and cheaper to utilise humans.

Human population growth  has been the Greatest Threat... both to Humans... and 'The Planet'... but...just WHAT do you DO about it?
I was an 'Environmental Studies' graduate back in 80s... and just gave up on it. Either 'things' WILL get a Hell of a lot worse.. or they won't... and We are NOT going to 'like' either situation.

Britain had an Empire... and there were other Colonial powers. WE had the chance to DO things to SAVE THE WOULD... but we just gave it up to let Peoples live their own lives... and here we all are. In the ****. There were generations who KNEW that they were 'special'... for good or ill. Now... we're ALL in the ****.

Back to petrol...the craze for BIG 4x4s as 'second cars' is so B**** silly! But, Women seem to feel safer in them for the 'School Run' Give them a Mini... and they might not do the Stupid stuff that they do.

Another 4am Rant completed. Too Knackered to rant more! ;D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 29 September 2021, 05:33:32 AM
A vasectomy is quick and cheap, and, while alarming, it doesn't hurt....
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 29 September 2021, 06:39:29 AM
Back to Student Days...  read of India. 70s/ 80s... raids on railway stations... with vasectomy for 'Low Caste'... like it or not. This in 'Scientific publications'... degree research for essays.
Now, sceptical... but possible.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 29 September 2021, 07:11:33 AM
I'm afraid there was a lot of that in the Great and Good Mrs Gandhi's Get Rid of Poverty ( = "Get rid of Poor People") drive. Ask any educated Indian who was around at the time. It set back real reform severely.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Norm on 29 September 2021, 08:01:09 AM
Good experience at my garage today ...... Roll 2D6

Modifiers
+3 if your vehicle has a blue light
+2 for all the goodly people who are caring within the community for others and for vulnerable etc
+1 for business needs to keep the wheel on so to speak
+1 if you know who Pendraken are and have bought from them in the last 6 months
-1 if your tank is showing half or more full
-3 if you have a petrol guzzling vehicle, but need it to get the kids to school in a city environment, who go to school half a mile away!

Any score will get you £10 of fuel OR
8 or better will get you £25 of fuel OR
10+ allows £35 of fuel

Critical hits are double six gives you a full tank whatever that takes and double 1's means that in your panic, you have put diesel in the petrol and vice-versa.

It is so good, I'm hoping they keep this going even once we all realise that there is actually enough petrol for normal use!

Unfortunately, today I rolled raw double 1's, so I am waiting on the forecourt for the RAC rescue services to come and tow me away ... sometimes you just have to take your knocks and smile :D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 29 September 2021, 08:26:54 AM
Quote from: Norm on 29 September 2021, 08:01:09 AM
Unfortunately, today I rolled raw double 1's, so I am waiting on the forecourt for the RAC rescue services to come and tow me away ... sometimes you just have to take your knocks and smile :D

Ahh, my father-in-law managed to do that a couple of years ago. Hopefully you realised before trying to drive off? He didn't . . .
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 29 September 2021, 09:01:52 AM
Quote from: Norm on 29 September 2021, 08:01:09 AM

Unfortunately, today I rolled raw double 1's, so I am waiting on the forecourt for the RAC rescue services to come and tow me away ... sometimes you just have to take your knocks and smile :D

I did that about 15 few years ago, and the tow truck driver said he did about 6 such mistakes a week. Its about time they made the nozzles a different size and shape so they would only fit in the correct type of fuel tank. ie Triangular for diesel and round for petrol
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 29 September 2021, 09:22:58 AM
I thought newer cars had different sized holes for access to the petrol tank to prevent this from happening, or maybe I'm just imagining it? Lack of sleep last night to blame if it's the latter!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Glorfindel on 29 September 2021, 09:25:38 AM
Must admit that I feel quite pessimistic about the future as I really don't believe people will be willing to give up what they have
to benefit others (many of whom are not born yet).

Although I wouldn't like to live under an alternative, democracy doesn't help here as it ensures politicians just plan for the short
term, with the next vote in mind.   In addition, voters won't elect a new government on a promise of reducing standards of living
to benefit such a nebulous term as 'the future of the human race'.

Perhaps benevolent tyranny ?   However, wouldn't be long before this corrupts the ruling caste.


Phil
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 29 September 2021, 09:44:34 AM
It's not fuel shortage related, but more driver shortage related, but made me chuckle. If Scotland doesn't declare independence soon I'll be amazed...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/york-was-sacked-for-less-irn-bru-fans-fizzing-with-anger-after-deliveries-hit-by-driver-shortage-292630/ (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/york-was-sacked-for-less-irn-bru-fans-fizzing-with-anger-after-deliveries-hit-by-driver-shortage-292630/)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 29 September 2021, 10:59:58 AM
Quote from: Steve J on 29 September 2021, 09:22:58 AM
I thought newer cars had different sized holes for access to the petrol tank to prevent this from happening, or maybe I'm just imagining it? Lack of sleep last night to blame if it's the latter!

Diesel pump nozzles are larger, so may not fit into your car's petrol filler.

The smaller petrol nozzles will always fit into a diesel car.

Diesel in a petrol engine shouldn't cause any damage, and once drained you should be fine.

Petrol in a diesel will almost certainly cause damage.

Information courtesy of the AA (https://www.theaa.com/breakdown-cover/advice/wrong-fuel-advice).
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Gwydion on 29 September 2021, 11:33:04 AM
Quote from: mmcv on 28 September 2021, 05:18:12 PM

That's why I think the solutions will have to be technological, as people as a whole generally won't change their behaviours for abstract concepts, they will change their behaviours due to whatever is easiest and most convenient.
I agree. When I said the problem isn't technological, I meant the technology to solve the problems largely exists or is in development.
The problem is getting society to buy into its use, especially where it means changing ingrained social habits and expectations.

(Also continual harangues and bullying from Scandinavian children shouting 'do something' without any practical suggestions of what or how are less than helpful. Actually Greta has two - stop flying and go Vegan. Both of which might help a little: 2% and 14% of human related CO2 emissions respectively, but that leaves quite a lot unaddressed by the glue yourself to something brigade.)



Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 29 September 2021, 01:21:52 PM
Quote from: Gwydion on 29 September 2021, 11:33:04 AM
I agree. When I said the problem isn't technological, I meant the technology to solve the problems largely exists or is in development.
The problem is getting society to buy into its use, especially where it means changing ingrained social habits and expectations.

(Also continual harangues and bullying from Scandinavian children shouting 'do something' without any practical suggestions of what or how are less than helpful. Actually Greta has two - stop flying and go Vegan. Both of which might help a little: 2% and 14% of human related CO2 emissions respectively, but that leaves quite a lot unaddressed by the glue yourself to something brigade.


I suppose those sorts of actions fall into the "raising awareness" category as even if it's bad publicity, it does raise the issue in the public consciousness and get people talking about it, which might lead to some people making better choices. If enough public consciousness shifts in a certain direction then it might help pressure the large organisations and governments who can actually make large scale differences.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 29 September 2021, 01:38:07 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 29 September 2021, 09:44:34 AM
It's not fuel shortage related, but more driver shortage related, but made me chuckle. If Scotland doesn't declare independence soon I'll be amazed...

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/york-was-sacked-for-less-irn-bru-fans-fizzing-with-anger-after-deliveries-hit-by-driver-shortage-292630/ (https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/york-was-sacked-for-less-irn-bru-fans-fizzing-with-anger-after-deliveries-hit-by-driver-shortage-292630/)

Parts of Glasgow have a  lower life expectancy than North Korea.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leon on 29 September 2021, 01:49:52 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 29 September 2021, 05:33:32 AM
...it doesn't hurt....

I beg to differ...  :'(

Quote from: Raider4 on 29 September 2021, 10:59:58 AM
Diesel in a petrol engine shouldn't cause any damage, and once drained you should be fine.

Petrol in a diesel will almost certainly cause damage.

It depends how much I think.  Diesel in a petrol car suffers because the diesel needs a hotter starter/burn and the petrol engine can't cope with that.  

Petrol in a diesel car is OK as long as it's less than 50% and you can fill the rest of the tank with diesel.  I've made that mistake a couple of times and it'll run rough for a few days while you work through the petrol but afterwards it's fine again.  It doesn't half clean out your engine as well!

Quote from: mmcv on 29 September 2021, 01:21:52 PM
I suppose those sorts of actions fall into the "raising awareness" category as even if it's bad publicity, it does raise the issue in the public consciousness and get people talking about it, which might lead to some people making better choices. If enough public consciousness shifts in a certain direction then it might help pressure the large organisations and governments who can actually make large scale differences.

I think the problem with this is the misdirection that we constantly see.  Industry is far and away the biggest culprit for almost all aspects of environmental damage but they are never reined in as money is more important. 

I remember speaking to a guy in the sewage industry a few years back when they sent out all of those little kits for saving water in the home (putting a brick in your toilet cistern, boiling one cup of water at a time, etc).  He said that those things are helpful in a sense but when you've got industry wasting millions of gallons of water annually, or sewage systems that are draining into the water table because it's cheaper to pay the fine than fix the problem, you're always skirting around the real problem.  Until governments enforce legislation and fines that are actual punishments, nothing will really change.  They'll just keep pointing at the public and tell us to use a different lightbulb or clean our baked beans tin before we put it in the recycling.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 29 September 2021, 02:07:02 PM
Aye. It's always fun to walk around town on the coldest day of the year, counting how may shops have permanently open doorways with the heat pouring out.

My lifetime of energy saving wasted in two minutes flat, probably.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 29 September 2021, 02:57:29 PM
QuoteLeon - I think the problem with this is the misdirection that we constantly see.  Industry is far and away the biggest culprit for almost all aspects of environmental damage but they are never reined in as money is more important.

I remember speaking to a guy in the sewage industry a few years back when they sent out all of those little kits for saving water in the home (putting a brick in your toilet cistern, boiling one cup of water at a time, etc).  He said that those things are helpful in a sense but when you've got industry wasting millions of gallons of water annually, or sewage systems that are draining into the water table because it's cheaper to pay the fine than fix the problem, you're always skirting around the real problem.  Until governments enforce legislation and fines that are actual punishments, nothing will really change.  They'll just keep pointing at the public and tell us to use a different lightbulb or clean our baked beans tin before we put it in the recycling.

This, so much this. Water use/loss at home is utterly insignificant compared to industry waste and indeed supplier negligence losing huge amounts before it even gets to us.

Same goes for virtually everything, and that's now compounded by pushing the issue as a "consumer problem", which shifts the cost away from the repsonsible agencies and onto you (us), AND means we make very little headway against the loss and waste (but at least profits stay artifically high!).

QuoteParts of Glasgow have a  lower life expectancy than North Korea.

It's OK, the bonfire of regulation and break up of the public good at fire sale prices means we'll all be joining them soon! On the plus sie our now declining life expectency means we won't have to fund pensions so much. Win-win! /sarcasm



Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 29 September 2021, 03:59:30 PM
Yeah 100% agree, even if every individual followed all the advice it would still be the proverbial urination in the ocean compared to what a few small changes from multinational industries would make. The use of single use plastics being a huge one that keeps shifting the blame to the consumer when they consumer has very little choice in the matter, doubled with the confusion over what can be recycled and where (and how much actually is vs being shipped to somewhere else in the world to pollute their lands).

The amount of microplastics in our bodies and diets is shocking.

Not to mention the pollution produced by the plastic industry, of which there are only really a couple of multinationals running it all.

Just completely unnecessary to shroud everything in throwaway plastic. Even the whole plastic bag tax ends up being as bad since the "bags for life" (assuming life means about five uses max) have more plastic in them so when thrown away are pretty much as bad as the old flimsy ones.

So plastic production is one of the biggest causes of emissions (something like the equivalent of 50 million cars) in the production side and one of the biggest pollutants from a waste perspective.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 29 September 2021, 07:27:02 PM
Quote from: Leon on 29 September 2021, 01:49:52 PM

Petrol in a diesel car is OK as long as it's less than 50% and you can fill the rest of the tank with diesel.  I've made that mistake a couple of times and it'll run rough for a few days while you work through the petrol but afterwards it's fine again.  It doesn't half clean out your engine as well!


Depends on the car. It was fine years ago but with a modern Turbo Diesels (certainly my old 2007 Mondeo) if you actually turned the engine over with the petrol still in the tank you were looking at £1000's replacing large parts of the system.   
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leon on 29 September 2021, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 29 September 2021, 07:27:02 PM
Depends on the car. It was fine years ago but with a modern Turbo Diesels (certainly my old 2007 Mondeo) if you actually turned the engine over with the petrol still in the tank you were looking at £1000's replacing large parts of the system.   

Maybe, I've done it twice in my 2014 Nissan and both times my mechanic told me to go fill it to the brim with diesel and it's been completely fine thankfully.  It didn't sound great for a day or two while the petrol worked through!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 30 September 2021, 03:03:36 AM
Quote from: mmcv on 29 September 2021, 03:59:30 PM


Just completely unnecessary to shroud everything in throwaway plastic. Even the whole plastic bag tax ends up being as bad since the "bags for life" (assuming life means about five uses max) have more plastic in them so when thrown away are pretty much as bad as the old flimsy ones.


Cloth shopping bags are pretty common here by now.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 30 September 2021, 03:14:41 AM
My "bags for life" are, all but one, still going strong 60 - 80 shoppings later.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 30 September 2021, 08:27:47 AM
Well I set out for the weekly shop as normal in our car to ASDA, only to find a big queue, even at 6.30am, to the point that you couldn't even see if you could drive up the wrong side of the road to get into the store. So turned around and came home. SWMBO wisely pointed out that I could have parked across the road in another shopping centre, but this didn't occur to me!

So set off on foot and got there and there was still a queue. Once in the store it was like a ghost town. Chatting to the staff they have had problems getting in themselves, problems with deliveries arriving or their vans leaving and far too much abuse from drivers. Apparently the petrol pumps don't open until 7.00am and they had started queueing before 6.00am.

At least when I left the store things had started to ease, but this was before the school run had kicked in. So panic buying is still occurring round here in Bristol :(.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 30 September 2021, 09:56:29 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 30 September 2021, 03:03:36 AM
Cloth shopping bags are pretty common here by now.

Yeah we have a few that we use but they're far from common here, as the plastic bags are only a few pence so most people won't blink at paying.

Quote from: Ithoriel on 30 September 2021, 03:14:41 AM
My "bags for life" are, all but one, still going strong 60 - 80 shoppings later.

Are these ones you've picked up from the supermarket? Some last longer than others to be fair but I find most tend to wear down and start tearing at the seams fairly quickly. I don't generally shop in the supermarket that often to be honest so hard to say how long they'd last on regular heavy use.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 11:02:51 AM
I never remember enough (any) bags... but the extras are very useful for the debris from the chicken coop cleaning out, generally storing things, and passing the outlaws paper, chocolate & liquroice deliveries in of a weekend :D

Some are more "for life" than others...

Steve J - I went to local Tescos last night on the way to the club and filled up fine, bit busier than a normal Wed evening but not hugely so. Diesal and E10, no high octane special. The day before I saw a queue down one of the big dual carriages into B'ham that must been... several hundred metres long? So... even five miles apart and 24 hours makes it a complete crap shoot, I think! Especially as half my club mates were having trouble and the rest, like me, just... filled up.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 30 September 2021, 03:13:13 PM
It does seem to be a bit of a lottery as to where you can or cannot get fuel easily. Said ASDA is just off the ring road so a convenient place for people to try and fill up.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: Steve J on 30 September 2021, 03:13:13 PM
It does seem to be a bit of a lottery as to where you can or cannot get fuel easily. Said ASDA is just off the ring road so a convenient place for people to try and fill up.

NO WHERE HAS PETROL!!!

Translated - where I could be bothered to go to whilst panicking and where everyone else has just also tried to mob has no petrol....
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 30 September 2021, 04:43:30 PM
Low petrol light came on yesterday. Went to filling station @ 09:15 this morning, straight in, bought my usual 32 litres, straight out.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 30 September 2021, 04:55:43 PM
Quote from: mmcv on 30 September 2021, 09:56:29 AM
Are these ones you've picked up from the supermarket? Some last longer than others to be fair but I find most tend to wear down and start tearing at the seams fairly quickly. I don't generally shop in the supermarket that often to be honest so hard to say how long they'd last on regular heavy use.

They've not been needed for 18 months or so as I get a weekly delivery from Tesco at the moment but before that the three main bags were in use once or twice a week for around two years. One stiff fabric and two thickish plastic. Cosmetically a little worn but otherwise intact.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 05:43:53 PM
Fabric ones usually last well, but the plastic "bags for life" are somewhere between bulletproof and fall apart if you sneeze wrongly depending on which chain does them, I find!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 01 October 2021, 08:09:15 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 05:43:53 PM
Fabric ones usually last well, but the plastic "bags for life" are somewhere between bulletproof and fall apart if you sneeze wrongly depending on which chain does them, I find!

True enough, I have a few from Lidl that have lasted me a good while, but a few others not so much. The fabric ones are good though.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 01 October 2021, 12:52:52 PM
Apparently, we hope to mobilize a Feikorps of Germans to help with the shortages.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hgv-lorry-driver-shortage-germans-b1930558.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hgv-lorry-driver-shortage-germans-b1930558.html)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 01 October 2021, 05:32:36 PM
Didn't they just go "hahahahahaha no"?

Lots of amusing tweets from European drivers laughing that out the water.

So... Shapps suggested today that we have pensioners and convicts drive the wagons instead, "to get some skin in the game"...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 01 October 2021, 08:11:47 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 01 October 2021, 05:32:36 PM
Didn't they just go "hahahahahaha no"?...

Who could blame them.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leon on 01 October 2021, 11:19:28 PM
We're still not seeing much shortage up this way, I called into the Asda station on my way home from work about 7:30pm and it was deserted, just one other car getting air. 
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 02 October 2021, 05:14:49 AM
Hm... but can just about believe  ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-58767230

After all, 'anything with tracks' is a Tank, so anything with a tank might be a petrol tanker!  ;)

Not seen anything major Newcastle... but 'don't get out much' lol!

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 02 October 2021, 07:28:46 AM
Speaking to a neighbour yesterday and the aforementioned ASDA was quiet around Midday when she popped in for fuel, yet an hour earlier and her daughter was queueing. The luck of the draw at the minute.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: fsn on 02 October 2021, 08:22:18 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/244328882_3081112292108767_7522172579381871072_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=qNM5ibqBNeAAX8ZVAtX&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=ef029163f03d2e1ff40ab2c087232e56&oe=617D6134)

Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 02 October 2021, 05:14:49 AM
After all, 'anything with tracks' is a Tank, so anything with a tank might be a petrol tanker!  ;)
So this is a petrol tanker?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 02 October 2021, 09:01:39 AM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 02 October 2021, 05:14:49 AM
Hm... but can just about believe  ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-58767230

"You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker" ???

Words fail me.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Norm on 02 October 2021, 10:39:59 AM
Quote from: fsn on 02 October 2021, 08:22:18 AM
(https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/244328882_3081112292108767_7522172579381871072_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=qNM5ibqBNeAAX8ZVAtX&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=ef029163f03d2e1ff40ab2c087232e56&oe=617D6134)
So this is a petrol tanker?

The army are panic buying :-)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 02 October 2021, 10:46:40 AM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 02 October 2021, 05:14:49 AM
Hm... but can just about believe  ;D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-58767230

After all, 'anything with tracks' is a Tank, so anything with a tank might be a petrol tanker!  ;)

Not seen anything major Newcastle... but 'don't get out much' lol!



Fools! That's not a mortar carrier! You carry mortar's in an Fv432!

And Raider4, yeah. The public never cease to amaze.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 02 October 2021, 10:55:27 AM
Quote from: Raider4 on 02 October 2021, 09:01:39 AM
Words fail me.

Ditto.....But part of me thinks......NAH !!......Surely not ....Would people REALLY do that ?....Part of me thinks that that story's a load of poop.

Quote from: Norm on 02 October 2021, 10:39:59 AM
The army are panic buying :-)

I ASSUME that tanks run on diesel......So I don't care. ;)  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Looking at the headlines on the papers this soggy morn......There seems to be a load of other things that 'media' want us to panic about......Intercourse 'em.

Cheers - Mr Cynical - Barsteward.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 02 October 2021, 11:05:59 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 02 October 2021, 10:55:27 AM

I ASSUME that tanks run on diesel......So I don't care. ;)  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Cheers - Mr Cynical - Barsteward.

1) Well Cheifes run onn Deisel, petrol, paraffin, and even coal dust...also of course tea.

2) As to parentage In cana comment, but youse aint cynical - just realistic.

Cheif cynic Ian  :P :P

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 02 October 2021, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 02 October 2021, 11:05:59 AM
1) Well Cheifes run onn Deisel, petrol, paraffin, and even coal dust...also of course tea.

2) As to parentage In cana comment, but youse aint cynical - just realistic.

Cheif cynic Ian  :P :P



Is Chieftain more a case of "doesn't run on anything" ;)

Every Chieftain driver I've spoken to had the horrors of wondering if they'd conk out halfway across an open field!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 02 October 2021, 11:47:01 AM
A "multi-fuel engine" - Oh, what a good idea - "Made by Leyland" - Ooops!

From Wikipedia: "In practice the engine did not deliver the expected power and was unreliable, estimated to have a 90% breakdown rate . . ."
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: DecemDave on 02 October 2021, 12:33:57 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 02 October 2021, 09:01:39 AM
"You could have stopped and told us you weren't a petrol tanker" ???
Words fail me.

yes shows an appalling ignorance of the hazard signs that flammable liquid tankers have to display.

As to following it at all, that sadly is what some of us have been reduced to.  Locally last week 6 nearest Pstations all out of fuel and it runs out again within hours of a delivery.  "Spot the tanker" is  how I got a full petrol tank yesterday having smugly stayed out of the chaos for a week until I really needed some.   There are some very active local "spot the delivery" groups on FB.  Which arguably make the problem worse but are necessary for those genuinely in need and there are many "I'm desparate" anecdotes especially for diesel.  As usual, London and the levelled up North will get more attention than us deprived SE coastal towns.   Moan,  Whine, Grumble.   :-&
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 02 October 2021, 01:40:43 PM
Just did a shop at ASDA in Woodchurch. They have a separte queue for exit for petrol and general, but there was no queue only 4 vehicles at the facility. Passed Sainsbury's in Prenton, also no obvious queue. The chaos seems to be in S. East. Nuf said.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 02 October 2021, 02:18:52 PM
I'm thinking (chums)......that we should knock this thread on the head.

I'm getting to the point where I just don't want to hear anymore.

'The Media' are just winding this up. :'(
I've reached the stage where I look at the BBC's news site...and see REALLY interesting (not) stories about a crocodile taking down a cheap drone.....and some complete and total twerp, in Lithunia having three tons (of screws, washers, whatever......I know I'm exaggerating  :P)...in his stomach.

Auntie (The BBC.....Which I used to admire) has dropped it's standards down so low, that I really resent paying my licence fee.

So called 'Social media '.....has too much to answer for.

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 02 October 2021, 02:25:08 PM
I agree, we should pour this thread down the drain, It only Fuels moaning.

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leman on 02 October 2021, 03:13:49 PM
See what you did there Orcs. Very amusing. Perhaps people should convert to used chip fat until there is a proper network of electric charge points.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 02 October 2021, 03:21:49 PM
Quote from: Leman on 02 October 2021, 03:13:49 PM
See what you did there Orcs. Very amusing. Perhaps people should convert to used chip fat until there is a proper network of electric charge points.

Mate of mine ran his motor off chip fat from the local fry ups & chippies for many years. Stopped when they regulated it as it became harder work than just buying a new motor and putting petrol in it :D

Eased the hunger cravings no end ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 02 October 2021, 03:28:42 PM
Chips just ain't been the same since no newspaper wrapping! MOAN!  ;D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 02 October 2021, 03:58:05 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 02 October 2021, 02:18:52 PM

So called 'Social media '.....has too much to answer for.


I'd agree with you .... but I'm too busy watching Twitch streams and TikTok! :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 03 October 2021, 07:01:18 AM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 02 October 2021, 03:28:42 PM
Chips just ain't been the same since no newspaper wrapping! MOAN!  ;D

Our local chippie does nice chips...They come in a paper bag, rather than a polystyrene tray....They're much nicer than the chips from the kebab shop, which DO come in a polystyrene tray.....Even those aren't too bad, though !

(That's made me hungry.)

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 03 October 2021, 07:53:05 AM
A healthy diet Mr Lewis !
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 03 October 2021, 08:54:31 AM
Only fish and chips once a week, Ian  :).....and haven't had a kebab for a year or more.
(Even the small kebabs are too much for me...NEVER managed to eat a whole one....they are nice though.)

I'll just stick to my healthy diet of oven ready meals, crisps, twiglets, 'sizzlin'' pringles and onion rings.....Ooooh !! ....... and marmite flavoured cashew nuts....Those ARE YUMMY !!

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 03 October 2021, 10:07:22 AM
Once bought some chips from an otherwise decent shop... and they had MELTED the damn Poly tray!
Other time... a female was looking forward to her chips from 'an Indians'... she took one look... and BIN!

NEVER taken to Kebabs... last went out Taxi window... (Uneaten!)).

My main diet, now, seems to be 'Rustlers' burgers... various types. Not bad... they seem to have improved! And Microwave Chips.. which are ok.. but leave in for a bit longer than stated.
Otherwise occasional  microwave Curries or Pasta.

FOOD!!! Now 3 years + since last 'real' Sunday Dinner, Full Fry up or Xmas Dinner, Steak and  Mushrooms with Brandy sauce,  Southern Fried Chicken, Skate or Lemon Sole, Tatties 'n Herrin'. Home made Lasagne, 'real' Bacon sandwich or sausage, real 'Mash' with whatever, Mash Turnip, really good broth,. Proper Apple/apple and Blackberry/ Blaeberry/Gooseberry/ Rhubarb/Custard tarts, whips/Custards/Trifles.... all gone,now.

ENJOY WHAT 'SOMEONE' MAKES FOR YOU... while it is there! :( :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leman on 03 October 2021, 11:22:15 AM
Now getting crunchy chips with a serving of mayo. I now know why the sub commander in Dad's Army complained of soggy British chips.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 03 October 2021, 08:18:24 PM
Quote from: Leman on 03 October 2021, 11:22:15 AM
Now getting crunchy chips with a serving of mayo. I now know why the sub commander in Dad's Army complained of soggy British chips.

Maybe he was based out of Ijmuiden before his boat sprung a leak.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 03 October 2021, 09:16:54 PM
After a diet of healthy, homemade, vegetarian dishes yesterday, today's diet has cosisted mainly of coffee and Toblerone!

Decent sized chunk of homemade Crecy Plate Pie later to compensate.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: chrishanley on 03 October 2021, 11:30:19 PM
I got my bag-for-life many years ago now and remarkably I am still married to her
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 03 October 2021, 11:31:56 PM
Tesco fine on petrol, garage slightly up the road completely out.

No rhyme or reason...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 04 October 2021, 04:37:54 AM
Quote from: chrishanley on 03 October 2021, 11:30:19 PM
I got my bag-for-life many years ago now and remarkably I am still married to her

Possibly not for much longer if she reads that :D :D :D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 04 October 2021, 06:43:21 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPTVL0kN3Qc
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 04 October 2021, 08:44:52 AM
Mrs Orcs suggested that rather than having a limit on the amount of fuel you can buy when its in short supply, perhaps they should make a minimum price say £30 to stop all the ar**holes constantly topping up their tank with £5 or £10 of petrol
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 04 October 2021, 06:32:43 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 04 October 2021, 08:44:52 AM
Mrs Orcs suggested that rather than having a limit on the amount of fuel you can buy when its in short supply, perhaps they should make a minimum price say £30 to stop all the ar**holes constantly topping up their tank with £5 or £10 of petrol

You'll be a bit stuffed if you have a moped...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 04 October 2021, 11:27:30 PM
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 04 October 2021, 06:32:43 PM
You'll be a bit stuffed if you have a moped...

Bonus, keep the mopeds off the road. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leman on 05 October 2021, 05:22:53 PM
Now there's a man who couldn't give a stuff about the planet. As humanity sinks into oblivion some Union flag waving looney will be blaming it on Covid, Joe Biden or Megan Markle.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: hammurabi70 on 07 October 2021, 12:20:59 AM
The forecourt was busy but I was able to get a full tank today without difficulty.  It would seem the London crisis is already over so now the whole country can slumber again in peace.  Is the next panic turkeys?  We never have them so not an issue for this household.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 07 October 2021, 06:34:17 AM
We don't bother with Christmas turkey either.

With just the two of us, it would be rather excessive. ;D

Cheers - Phil. :)

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 07 October 2021, 07:37:35 AM
I just thought......There always seems to be panic buying of Brussels sprouts, around Christmas. :D
There was another 'item' that I thought had a chance of being in short supply soon...or more likely would go rocketing up in price....So Von got us a 'spare' last week.

We've now heard from a retailer that they ARE getting difficult to get..especially from one manufacturer.

Don't think it'll be something that many of you (If ANY at all) will use.

Cheers - Phil. :)

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 October 2021, 08:01:30 AM
Sheep dip tub?!


Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Steve J on 07 October 2021, 08:06:33 AM
Well my wife loves Brussels sprout and even eats them raw!

At least the panic buying appears to be over here in Bristol...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 07 October 2021, 08:56:16 AM
I'm hoping the turkey shortage gives us a good excuse to do something else for Christmas this year. We're offering our house up for the family Christmas dinner this year and I'm hoping to do something more interesting than bland turkey. I'm sure turkey was a lovely meat back in the day, but now they've just been bred into oversized factory chickens that taste of little and exist mainly as gravy receptacles and because there's never enough ham made.

Christmas is coming, the goose is getting fat....

Can't argue that I'm not being traditional, I'm just being EXTRA traditional  :d
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 07 October 2021, 09:04:02 AM
Quote from: Steve J on 07 October 2021, 08:06:33 AM
Well my wife loves Brussels sprouts and even eats them raw!


It's always a hard choice, but perhaps it's time to consider involuntary commitment, or possibly euthanasia.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 07 October 2021, 09:10:02 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 07 October 2021, 06:34:17 AM
We don't bother with Christmas turkey either.

With just the two of us, it would be rather excessive. ;D

Cheers - Phil. :)

Don't you eat one of your Chickens?   :)

Technos Chicken No1 to Chicken No2=  "See we have a new intake of rescued from the battery farm"

Techno's chicken No2- "Rescued you say?  I heard the humans talking yesterday. They said that that black one over there was nice and plump and would do for Christmas"  :D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 07 October 2021, 10:22:03 AM
I'd never eat any of our chickens......They're so old when they pop their clogs. :-&
I've seen the 'extras' that they'll eat, as well. X_X

When they die, they get fed to the raptors and mammalian wildlife.

(And we HAVE just taken on another batch of 'rescue' chickens...I'm sick of scrambled/poached eggs already. :P)

Cheers - Phil. :)

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 October 2021, 10:52:57 AM
That's the first "question" people always ask when they find out we keep chickens, and no, you really don't eat layers at the best of times and definitely not when they've popped their clogs due to natural causes or age!

We could do with refilling the coop, now. Except we're one chook-space short still, and it'd likely be a massacre introducing just two...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 07 October 2021, 11:04:09 AM
As a veggie, I don't eat chickens at any time of the year. Christmas dinner is likely to be Nut Roast en Croute (a sort of veggie Beef Wellingtion)or a Creamed Mushroom Lattice Pie either of which will be served with a brussel sprout, chesnut and shallot mix among other sides.

Of course, if the family are unable to attend the annual bun fight the above will be replaced with assorted party food, because who can be bothered cooking anything fancy just for one.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: pierre the shy on 07 October 2021, 11:20:40 AM


  :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 07 October 2021, 11:49:23 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 07 October 2021, 10:22:03 AM
I'd never eat any of our chickens......They're so old when they pop their clogs. :-&
I've seen the 'extras' that they'll eat, as well. X_X

When they die, they get fed to the raptors and mammalian wildlife.

(And we HAVE just taken on another batch of 'rescue' chickens...I'm sick of scrambled/poached eggs already. :P)

Cheers - Phil. :)


Cant you suplement the Labs diet with an egg or two  now and then and save a bit on dog food?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 07 October 2021, 12:15:41 PM
NO !!!!  (Gimme strength !)

Unless I want to die from the lack of oxygen, from hydrogen sulphide 'windy pops'.

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 07 October 2021, 12:39:33 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 07 October 2021, 11:04:09 AM
As a veggie, I don't eat chickens at any time of the year. Christmas dinner is likely to be Nut Roast en Croute (a sort of veggie Beef Wellingtion)or a Creamed Mushroom Lattice Pie either of which will be served with a brussel sprout, chesnut and shallot mix among other sides.

Of course, if the family are unable to attend the annual bun fight the above will be replaced with assorted party food, because who can be bothered cooking anything fancy just for one.

We'll likely go fully veggie this year, we don't eat a lot of meat and tbh we've enough vegetarians and otherwise picky eaters that it's easie rjust to go "nope" and done on dish they can all have. Moaning that it's turkey and not traditional can stuff it, as it's such a waste otherwise.

Phil, I feel your lack of oxygen; feeding the Grund left overs is an exercise in sinus related horror :D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 07 October 2021, 02:07:04 PM
I hope Lee never sneaks a look at this page and sees the veggie stuff; she'll ban wargames if she suspects they undermine carnivorousness!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 07 October 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 October 2021, 02:07:04 PM
I hope Lee never sneaks a look at this page and sees the veggie stuff; she'll ban wargames if she suspects they undermine carnivorousness!

Your South African, and I thought they regarded Chicken as a vegetable!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 October 2021, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 07 October 2021, 02:07:04 PM
I hope Lee never sneaks a look at this page and sees the veggie stuff; she'll ban wargames if she suspects they undermine carnivorousness!

If it's green it's rotten, vegitables are green - QED.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leman on 07 October 2021, 05:12:38 PM
FFS!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 07 October 2021, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: Orcs on 07 October 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Your South African, and I thought they regarded Chicken as a vegetable!

Lee's my Thai, and makes the shark in Jaws look like a vegan.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: DHautpol on 07 October 2021, 06:35:09 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 30 September 2021, 05:43:53 PM
Fabric ones usually last well, but the plastic "bags for life" are somewhere between bulletproof and fall apart if you sneeze wrongly depending on which chain does them, I find!


Late entry with this one.  I find the Waitrose ones to be quite tough.  I used to keep my rugby boots in one, but did get funny looks from the cashier when I handed over the old mud-caked bag for a clean one every couple of months.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 08 October 2021, 04:37:53 AM
Apparently, there is a 'STRATEGY'  to reduce meat consumption...  :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58831636

Any 'conspiracy theory' minded peeps could have boundless fun!  ;)  :)
'Soylent Green' was a good movie!  ;D :(
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 08 October 2021, 08:29:54 AM
To be fair I've gone from voracious carnivore to maybe 80% veggie in the last few years so the mind control rays are clearly working...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leman on 08 October 2021, 09:02:06 AM
Fear not, with the culling and burning of thousands of pigs on British farms there is clearly no shortage of meat. Apparently Boris Johnson is being driven to distraction by vegetarianism.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 October 2021, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Leman on 08 October 2021, 09:02:06 AM
Fear not, with the culling and burning of thousands of pigs on British farms there is clearly no shortage of meat. Apparently Boris Johnson is being driven to distraction by vegetarianism.

"As the people who staff our food supply chain have gone back to the Continent, we no longer have any one to do proper vaguely safe animal slaugter. So we're just going to slaughter them wholesale and chuck them" is not the greatest of end results, is it.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Westmarcher on 08 October 2021, 09:43:38 AM
It's a pity the various UK butchers guilds and trade associations can't organise something to make sure that some or even the majority of these beasts can be butchered by their members on a voluntary basis and the meat frozen for both current and later distribution to people in need (e.g., those who rely on food banks, etc.).
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 October 2021, 10:42:53 AM
Not so long ago we had thousands of abattoirs and slaughterhouses, semi-locally based.

They all got eaten and we're down to a tiny few massive industrial processing slaughterhouses.

Which now have no workers.

It's like if we were going to throw out everyone who staffs haulage we should have heavily invested in training new drivers three plus years ago. Same for nursing, social care, slaughterhouses, fruit picking, potato digging, etc etc etc.

There's literally no one can step in, hence suggestions that OAPs and prisoners drive trucks, the Army staffing hospitals, driving trucks, repalcing sacked firemen, outsourcing policing and prisons etc etc.

But we're veering into PvP there, however obvious the results and blame, so I'll quit :D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 08 October 2021, 10:56:27 AM
Well, at least the horse racing people are making some effort to try & ensure we don't end up eating Shergar by mistake (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/58827492).
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 October 2021, 11:20:26 AM
Quote from: Raider4 on 08 October 2021, 10:56:27 AM
Well, at least the horse racing people are making some effort to try & ensure we don't end up eating Shergar by mistake (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/58827492).

I... but... whut...

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 08 October 2021, 12:36:25 PM
Quote from: Raider4 on 08 October 2021, 10:56:27 AM
Well, at least the horse racing people are making some effort to try & ensure we don't end up eating Shergar by mistake (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/58827492).

I had a cheval burger in La Belle France when on attachment to the 2RIMA back in the late '70s. Very gamey and tasty, as well as being much more healthy than most burgers...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 08 October 2021, 02:34:21 PM
Nowt intrinsically wrong with eating horse. It's the chemicals that race horses may contain that are the problem.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 08 October 2021, 03:42:04 PM
Myself... just wouldn't! But, was amused over 'Sharpe's Waterloo'... with dead horse steak fry up in a Cuirrassier's breastplate... with animal fat Grease from an axle!  :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 08 October 2021, 03:43:38 PM
I am a carnivore - its not  a proper meal unless something has died. :)

However I think people would appreciate meat more  ( and be more likely to eat less of it ) if you had to kill and prepare your own meat, rather than picking it  up a plastic tray.

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Westmarcher on 08 October 2021, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Ben Waterhouse on 08 October 2021, 12:36:25 PM
I had a cheval burger in La Belle France when on attachment to the 2RIMA back in the late '70s. Very gamey and tasty, as well as being much more healthy than most burgers...

Was that a mane course and did you feel foal up afterwards?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 08 October 2021, 04:02:23 PM
When's the best time to plant a tree?

Thirty years ago.

When's the  second best time?

Right now.

We have, metaphorically, not planted trees and even if we plant them now we will not soon sit in their shade.

Not enough investment in housing, renewable energy, climate change mitigation, automation, etc., etc. is coming back to bite us.

"There may be trouble ahead"
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leon on 08 October 2021, 05:29:21 PM
I remember reading an article in National Geographic (I think?) about kangaroo being an ideal meat for farming, due to low feed costs, no methane production, etc.  There just didn't seem to be much appetite (!) for it globally.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 08 October 2021, 06:06:19 PM
It's not bad. I've had 'roo burger and steak and all I can recall is it wasn't bad.

So either inoffensively bland or exactly like beef/chicken/whatver it was close enough to I now can't differentiate!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 08 October 2021, 06:13:22 PM
Quote from: Leon on 08 October 2021, 05:29:21 PM
I remember reading an article in National Geographic (I think?) about kangaroo being an ideal meat for farming, due to low feed costs, no methane production, etc.  There just didn't seem to be much appetite (!) for it globally.

The main drawback is the size of fences required.


Ostrich is another of those meats that was going to revolutionise farming.
"I really couldn't eat a whole drumstick".

I remember receiving a panicked phone call form the Mrs one summer afternoon.
I was cycling down Ayrshire way, and a farm in the county had a mass Ostrich escape.
Nowhere near my location, though neither of us knew that at the time.

Vicious creatures though, tear you open with their claws, and utterly wreck an airliner in a mid-air collision.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 08 October 2021, 06:36:48 PM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 08 October 2021, 06:13:22 PM
Vicious creatures though, tear you open with their claws, and utterly wreck an airliner in a mid-air collision.

...and hide in the rushes and jump out and break your arm with a sweep of their wing .... wait ... umm .... I may have the wrong bird there .... that's pigeons, isn't it. ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 08 October 2021, 10:05:03 PM
Ostrich and kangaroo aren't bad. Kangaroo is very lean and reminded me a little of venison. Ostrich is a redder meat than I'd have thought, more duck than chicken.

Only downside is their ideal farming area is on the other side of the globe, so the impact of shipping etc may well offset any benefits.

As burgers you'll not notice much difference for a lot of meats, and insect burgers from mealworm and the like will likely become more widespread too.

I think there is a lot to be said for appreciation of eating higher quality meats in lower quantity, rather than the overconsumption of cheap, poorly treated and highly processed meats.

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Westmarcher on 09 October 2021, 01:06:39 AM
If you ever order crocodile, and you're in a hurry, tell them to make it snappy.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 09 October 2021, 01:49:19 AM
I've frequently eaten ostrich, and consider it better than beef (a bit more tender and gamey). A recent attempt at crocodile was disappointing, however; short of flavour, and innumerable little bony bits. There wasn't even an alarm clock inside it.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 09 October 2021, 05:09:13 AM
Well, coming up to the Festive Season so , maybe consider Python, stuffed with Alligator, stuffed with Coyote, stuffed with Rat... would make a great table centerpiece!  8)
Think my circuits shorting.  :(
Have, for several days, now, a 'craving' for tinned Stewed Steak with tinned Carrots. I Hate Stewed Steak and I Hate Carrots !!!  :o
Really Hope I'm not Pregnant... THAT WOULD be a shock!  ;D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 09 October 2021, 11:29:14 AM
Try grating carrots and simmering them with a heck of a lot of milk (we're talking a couple of litres for a pound of carrots); after twenty minutes add some cinnamon and stir it at great length until most of the water has evaporated. Add honey, sultanas, and a large amount of butter and brown sugar; carry on until it won't absorb any more butter and there's no water left, then turn it our to cool and cut it into fudge-like blocks. Eat chilled. Write seminar paper on heart disease in India.

(Indian friends swear it's better hot, but I can't agree.)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 09 October 2021, 01:29:18 PM
I love Indian sweets. Have to restrict my visits to the many excellent purveyors of such locally lest I end up five talk AND five foot wide...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 09 October 2021, 02:00:08 PM
Going back decades ago......there was an 'Indian snack' which came in very small packets....
I think it was called 'Chevda'.....I can only describe it as curried rice crispies...with the odd curried peanut....and some tiny seedy bits.... Again with lots of curry powder.
For me...it tasted like a HUGELY improved 'Bombay Mix'.

I could eat handfuls of that, out of a cereal bowl.....I'd like to eat that again. :x :x :x

If any of you oiks like can get hold of that stuff.....let me know.

Cheers - Phil  :)






Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 09 October 2021, 06:57:41 PM
Amazon can deliver so many versions of Chevda to your door you're spoiled for choice.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 09 October 2021, 10:06:00 PM
There's a load of similar options in Asda and Tescos, never mind Amazon ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 10 October 2021, 07:20:00 AM
Ta for that, Guys. :-bd

Some of those look like the stuff I was thinking of..

Cheers - Phil. :)

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 10 October 2021, 11:18:29 AM
Order one of everything, worth it to try and you have to keep your strength up!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 10 October 2021, 01:26:17 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 10 October 2021, 11:18:29 AM
Order one of everything, worth it to try and you have to keep your strength up!

NO !......Nathan  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I had a good look in Tesco's, this fair morn........OOODLES of different variations of 'Bombay mix'.....But absolutely nothing like Rice Crispies covered in Curry powder. :x :x :x

Cheers - No taste buds R'Us ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 10 October 2021, 06:09:27 PM
Oh dang! The ethnic foods isle in ours usually has a chewda/chevda style curried puffed rice thing...
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 10 October 2021, 10:18:25 PM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 10 October 2021, 06:09:27 PM
Oh dang! The ethnic foods isle in ours usually has a chewda/chevda style curried puffed rice thing...

Morrisons (being fairly PC) doesn't have ethnic foods, but world foods - packed with rice, noodles, and spices.

It make me wonder where they source their potatoes.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 11 October 2021, 02:47:25 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 10 October 2021, 10:18:25 PM
It make me wonder where they source their potatoes.

Well the ones in my fridge are from Norfolk and grown by someone called Chris Harrold. I know because I read the packaging while I waited for the "popty ping" to do it's work. I think Norfolk still counts as part of the world though. So, a world food, no?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 11 October 2021, 05:58:58 AM
GOT to be better than the 'puffed starch' items that turn to 'glue' in your mouth... so popular... can't fathom it.  :(
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 11 October 2021, 08:57:07 AM
The public wants what the public gets.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 11 October 2021, 09:15:33 AM
I still haven't got my Curried Twiglets. :'( :'( :'(

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 October 2021, 09:16:42 AM
Been in Grimsby over trhe weekend, no problem with getting fuel at either end, just trying to get the pumps to work.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 October 2021, 09:17:33 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 11 October 2021, 09:15:33 AM
I still haven't got my Curried Twiglets. :'( :'( :'(

Cheers - Phil. :)

Still on the healthy diet there Phil !
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Orcs on 11 October 2021, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: Techno II on 11 October 2021, 09:15:33 AM
I still haven't got my Curried Twiglets. :'( :'( :'(

Cheers - Phil. :)

They have thier own Facebook Page

https://www.facebook.com/BRING-BACK-CURRY-TWIGLETS--103598706359478/
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 11 October 2021, 12:54:20 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 11 October 2021, 02:47:25 AM
Well the ones in my fridge are from Norfolk and grown by someone called Chris Harrold. I know because I read the packaging while I waited for the "popty ping" to do it's work. I think Norfolk still counts as part of the world though. So, a world food, no?

I'm delighted that one reader has understood one of my late night posts.

It amuses me that "World Food" has come to mean stuff from other continents (Does vegemite count?)
Much like "European languages" usually excludes English.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 11 October 2021, 01:29:01 PM
I've just had a really bizarre chat with a cold caller, who, having failed to get me to buy an (undoubtedly fake) conservatory,  informed me that his family were having chicken at Christmas because they didn't vote for Brexit so they could eat EU food.

I pointed out that turkeys were originally American.

He told me I was being conned by online fraudsters (irony much?) and turkey's came from Turkey. "The clue's in the name, innit?"

So, would I be having EU turkey or good British chicken at Christmas.

His response to my saying neither, as I was vegetarian, makes me think that he'd have been less shocked and revolted if I'd announced I was a Satan worshiping cannibal who drowned kittens for fun at the weekend.

I suppose "long pig" would go in the world food section :D :D :D

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 11 October 2021, 01:39:43 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Cheers - Phil. :)

Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 11 October 2021, 09:17:33 AM
Still on the healthy diet there Phil !

I think I get more than half of my daily intake of calories from eating rubbish food, Ian. ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 11 October 2021, 01:40:11 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 11 October 2021, 01:29:01 PM
He told me I was being conned by online fraudsters (irony much?) and turkey's came from Turkey. "The clue's in the name, innit?"

Err, whut???
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 11 October 2021, 02:08:59 PM
The one that annoys me is "ethnic" food. Invariably a PC stalking horse for covert racism.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 11 October 2021, 04:13:08 PM
I slightly accidentally ended up with about 8kg of different potato varieties. I see many spud dishes in my future...  :-X
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 11 October 2021, 05:34:27 PM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 11 October 2021, 05:58:58 AM
GOT to be better than the 'puffed starch' items that turn to 'glue' in your mouth... so popular... can't fathom it.  :(

A good few weeks ago, I tried a new(ish) variety of 'snacks'' called 'Bugles', IIRC......Those were absolutely dire....Flavoured, crunchy cardboard would have been more toothsome.

Won't be buying those again !!  ;D ;D ;D

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 11 October 2021, 05:47:05 PM
Local Tesco has marked Smiths Chipsticks as 'clearance', so they'll soon go the way of Walkers Worcester Sauce and Cadbury's Old Jamaica, and no longer be stocked :(:(:(.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Big Insect on 11 October 2021, 07:42:12 PM
But Marmite flavoured Peanut Butter is a massive hit in our household - almost a shopping staple now!  8)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 11 October 2021, 08:01:16 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 11 October 2021, 01:29:01 PM
I've just had a really bizarre chat with a cold caller, who, having failed to get me to buy an (undoubtedly fake) conservatory,  informed me that his family were having chicken at Christmas because they didn't vote for Brexit so they could eat EU food.

I pointed out that turkeys were originally American.

He told me I was being conned by online fraudsters (irony much?) and turkey's came from Turkey. "The clue's in the name, innit?"

So, would I be having EU turkey or good British chicken at Christmas.

His response to my saying neither, as I was vegetarian, makes me think that he'd have been less shocked and revolted if I'd announced I was a Satan worshiping cannibal who drowned kittens for fun at the weekend.

I suppose "long pig" would go in the world food section :D :D :D

I remember the posters, they promised us 75 million of them.
More than one each.
I'm not sure I could eat that much, even at Christmas.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 11 October 2021, 08:25:31 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 11 October 2021, 02:08:59 PM
The one that annoys me is "ethnic" food. Invariably a PC stalking horse for covert racism.

My apologies FK, I can see it being read that way. Fair point and I'll use world foods in future.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 11 October 2021, 10:49:37 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 11 October 2021, 01:29:01 PM
d and revolted if I'd announced I was a Satan worshiping cannibal who drowned kittens for fun at the weekend.


As long as you don't  only play WRG 7th edition ancients
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 12 October 2021, 12:21:59 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 11 October 2021, 08:25:31 PM
My apologies FK, I can see it being read that way. Fair point and I'll use world foods in future.

Wasn't aiming at you. Had a former girlfriend in mind, actually.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 12 October 2021, 03:56:27 AM
Whil'st we're on about food...
Only once has 'local' Cornish Pasty... and too young to remember.
Do any of the supermarket 'Cornish Pasties' actually taste 'Cornisjh'?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 12 October 2021, 04:25:43 AM
I understand flaky puff pastry is very wrong.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 12 October 2021, 09:57:48 AM
Quote from: flamingpig0 on 11 October 2021, 10:49:37 PM
As long as you don't  only play WRG 7th edition ancients

Does 7th have a list for the Satan Worshipping Cannibals.
If so, are the Kitten Drowners Irregular A?

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 12 October 2021, 10:19:15 AM
My maternal grandparents were Cornish. My grandmother made pasties for my grandfathers lunch every days for decades. One half was savoury, one half sweet. If my gran was mad with my grandad she left out the bulkhead between the two!

Pasties for eating at home or on a picnic were savoury only.

When we stayed with them pasties were a great treat. Both home made and shop bought - especially from the pasty shop in Marazion.

Shop pasties or homemade, they were made with minced stewing steak, onion, carrot and sometimes swede and were definitely shortcrust pastry. They were crimped on top not on the side.

They and their friends were of the opinion that Ginsters had sold out the traditional pasty.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 12 October 2021, 11:31:52 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 12 October 2021, 12:21:59 AM
Wasn't aiming at you. Had a former girlfriend in mind, actually.

Maybe not but it's a fair point anyway tbh.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Leon on 12 October 2021, 12:30:13 PM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 12 October 2021, 03:56:27 AM
Only once has 'local' Cornish Pasty... and too young to remember.
Do any of the supermarket 'Cornish Pasties' actually taste 'Cornisjh'?

Nope!  We lived in Cornwall for a few years and nothing has come close to their pasties sadly.  There is a 'West Cornwall Pasty Company' that are dotted about the UK, which are almost there. 
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 12 October 2021, 04:01:30 PM
Ithoriel! I have always thought that pasties 'should' be crimped at the top! Glad to hear!
Never heard of sweet and savoury... unusual.
Savoury mix sounds about right... with onion and turnip/swede. Wondered whether there was a 'secret' ingredient... some herb?

Meat pies. There was a bakers in Corbridge, Northumberland who made 'best pies ever'! Sadly, became a 'chain' years ago and they went. Similar to a Scotch pie... but beef or beef/mutton mix...  and 'something else'? Ma used to buy a whole bakers tray whenever we went there! Nothing, now, comes close.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 12 October 2021, 04:14:37 PM
700 grams of Kenyan Lemon Chilli Chevda just delivered.

I blame you Mr. Lewis, I blame you! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Raider4 on 12 October 2021, 04:16:28 PM
I always liked the Peter's Pasty - crimped at the top - and definitely preferable to Ginsters. Sadly Tescos doesn't stock them :(.

Both are probably nothing like a 'proper' Cornish pasty, but then I also suspect that there's a lot of 'mythology' built up over what a proper pasty looks and tastes like.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 01:05:36 AM
It's the garnish of tin dust and powdered saffron that makes the real ones special.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 03:05:15 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 01:05:36 AM
It's the garnish of tin dust and powdered saffron that makes the real ones special.
'saffron'?
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 13 October 2021, 03:26:08 AM
Saffron from the hevva buns maybe? A rare treat my gran whipped up from time to time as a change from scones, clotted cream and strawberry jam.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 04:07:15 AM
Traditional Cornish flavouring. May reflect Phoenecian influence, I'm told.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 04:41:52 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 04:07:15 AM
Traditional Cornish flavouring. May reflect Phoenecian influence, I'm told.
Curious? How could Cornish afford Saffron? I thought that until 'present', it was an 'ultimate Luxury' commodity? I don't even know what it tastes like!   ;D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 13 October 2021, 05:02:45 AM
Quote from: steve_holmes_11 on 12 October 2021, 09:57:48 AM
If so, are the Kitten Drowners Irregular A?



Yes, and they are triple armed LMI who can form wedge
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 05:33:00 AM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 04:41:52 AM
Curious? How could Cornish afford Saffron? I thought that until 'present', it was an 'ultimate Luxury' commodity? I don't even know what it tastes like!   ;D

Do yourself a favour and find out with the aid of a reliable chef or cookbook. It's a must in fish stews, pilaos, and the better types of kebab. As for the price, it's a luxury, but bear in mind that the Irish used it to colour their clothes in the dark ages.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 07:03:52 AM
Sheesh! If Irish used Saffron for a cloth dye, that is a LOT of Crocus sepals for an impoverisfhed country.... maybe a 'colour' rather than a commodity?
I suppose I will have to buy a jar... just ti see what it tastes like!
My cullinary exploration is salt/ pepper, Maggi Seasoning..or 'Itallian Seasoning' for cheese on toast!

Thanks, anyway.  :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 07:29:09 AM
You buy it in milligrams, not in jars! Heavens, Bill Gates doesn't buy it by the jar!

If you're not sure what to do with it, ask around for a good Italian, Turkish, or Indian restaurant. Might be a costly experiment otherwise.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Techno II on 13 October 2021, 07:44:44 AM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 12 October 2021, 04:14:37 PM
700 grams of Kenyan Lemon Chilli Chevda just delivered.

I blame you Mr. Lewis, I blame you! :D :D :D

No problems, Mike !  :D
But has it got the curried 'rice crispies' ?

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 07:48:13 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 07:29:09 AM
You buy it in milligrams, not in jars! Heavens, Bill Gates doesn't buy it by the jar!

If you're not sure what to do with it, ask around for a good Italian, Turkish, or Indian restaurant. Might be a costly experiment otherwise.
Thanks for that... you have probably made a Tesco shelf stacker's day just a little bit less Horrendous!  :d :d :d
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: mmcv on 13 October 2021, 09:03:19 AM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 07:29:09 AM
You buy it in milligrams, not in jars! Heavens, Bill Gates doesn't buy it by the jar!

If you're not sure what to do with it, ask around for a good Italian, Turkish, or Indian restaurant. Might be a costly experiment otherwise.

Technically it does come in a small spice jar in a lot of supermarkets, just to add further confusion. Though obviously, you don't get much in it. A little goes a long way. I used it most recently with some Spanish dishes like paella.

Rice is probably a good way to get a sense of the flavour without it being overpowered by other ingredients. Little onion, garlic softened in olive oil, then the rice, some stock and saffron towards the end and serve up with whatever you fancy. Alternatively adding a little white wine and using some arborio rice and some gentle stirring as you add the stock a ladle at a time would make a nice risotto too. Some shellfish wouldn't go amiss in there either.

You could even infuse the saffron in a bit of milk and add it to mash.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: FierceKitty on 13 October 2021, 11:19:50 AM
Actually, an easy way to appreciate it is in a lassi. Whip up some plain yoghurt with cold water in a blender and add sugar to taste, with the saffron ground to a powder in the sugar.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Gwydion on 13 October 2021, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 07:03:52 AM
Sheesh! If Irish used Saffron for a cloth dye, that is a LOT of Crocus sepals for an impoverisfhed country.... maybe a 'colour' rather than a commodity?

Yep - no Crocus involved - Weld from Dyer's Weed which the Irish called Buídhe Mór (Great Yellow).

[we've wandered a long way from petrol - the village station ran out at the weekend, so still some 'patchiness' in Wales]
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 01:16:17 PM
Thanks for that,, Gwydion.
Back to petrol...
No shortage in NE UK. But have noticed more cars  driving on electric.
In two minds about electric.... less traffic noise... good... but you can't hear the things coming... bad.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 13 October 2021, 01:46:08 PM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 01:16:17 PM
Thanks for that,, Gwydion.
Back to petrol...
No shortage in NE UK. But have noticed more cars  driving on electric.
In two minds about electric.... less traffic noise... good... but you can't hear the things coming... bad.

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Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 13 October 2021, 02:12:46 PM
Quote from: Techno II on 13 October 2021, 07:44:44 AM
No problems, Mike !  :D
But has it got the curried 'rice crispies' ?

Cheers - Phil. :)

Not as many  as I'd have liked :(

Still, that's an excuse to try some of the others :)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 13 October 2021, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: flamingpig0 on 13 October 2021, 01:46:08 PM
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Maybe, 'they' had it all wrong about 'Horned' helmets for Vikings? Makes a good mental  'picture.'.. lol!  ;D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 October 2021, 03:44:12 PM
Of course Vikings had horned helmets, and arrived rowing along to Led Zeplin - "the Immigrant Song" of course.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 13 October 2021, 04:24:54 PM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 October 2021, 03:44:12 PM
Of course Vikings had horned helmets, and arrived rowing along to Led Zeplin - "the Immigrant Song" of course.

Surely "Priti" Patel 
could turn them back
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ithoriel on 14 October 2021, 01:08:53 AM
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 13 October 2021, 03:44:12 PM
Of course Vikings had horned helmets, and arrived rowing along to Led Zeplin - "the Immigrant Song" of course.

Led Zeppelin? Hah! More like something by Yggdrasil, Wardruna or Danheim.

"My mother told me someday I will buy, galley with good oars, sail to distant shores, stand upon the prow, noble bark I steer, steady course to the haven, hew many many foe men, hew many foe men!"

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 14 October 2021, 08:17:35 AM
Good tunes. If stuck in a petrol queue... could play LOUD?  ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 18 October 2021, 04:26:54 AM
Things are getting really serious; Indian restaurants are running out of rice.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 18 October 2021, 07:06:52 AM
Plenty in Grimsby the other weekend !  :D
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 18 October 2021, 10:36:40 AM
Quote from: flamingpig0 on 18 October 2021, 04:26:54 AM
Things are getting really serious; Indian restaurants are running out of rice.

LOL. Visions of 'Airdrops' or 'Escorted Convoys'!  ;D Don't Panic! RAF / Army will get to you. If they have fuel... ;)
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: toxicpixie on 20 October 2021, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 18 October 2021, 10:36:40 AM
LOL. Visions of 'Airdrops' or 'Escorted Convoys'!  ;D Don't Panic! RAF / Army will get to you. If they have fuel... ;)

And can spare the time from everything else we're having to press them into service for :D

Could have done without the massive cuts to manpower and capacity, really.
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Heedless Horseman on 20 October 2021, 03:42:32 PM
"Get the Army in"! lol. Non 'Combat' ... PLodge through floods and fill sandbags. Drive trucks. Man 'Green Godesses'... unless scrapped by now. 'Shift' stuff. Get exposed to infections...or get blown up / stabbed by some F'ing civvie. GOOD LADS. Take Pride!
Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: flamingpig0 on 20 October 2021, 04:14:01 PM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 20 October 2021, 03:42:32 PM
. Get exposed to infections...or get blown up / stabbed by some F'ing civvie. GOOD LADS. Take Pride!

So just like a normal night out.

Title: Re: Panic buying of petrol
Post by: Ben Waterhouse on 20 October 2021, 07:50:09 PM
Quote from: Heedless Horseman on 20 October 2021, 03:42:32 PM
"Get the Army in"! lol. Non 'Combat' ... PLodge through floods and fill sandbags. Drive trucks. Man 'Green Godesses'... unless scrapped by now. 'Shift' stuff. Get exposed to infections...or get blown up / stabbed by some F'ing civvie. GOOD LADS. Take Pride!

As my old troop Sergeant used to say "If you can't take a joke..."