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Title: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Wealdmaster on 22 July 2021, 04:01:19 PM
I love this range!  Delicate and intricate yet realistic sculpting that lends a degree of grace to this era of rapid paced tactical evolution.  The only thing missing is tricorne troops!  Nations quickly adopted tricornes through the 1690s.  Musketeers in tricorne, with cartridge pouch, and fusil (flintlock) not 12 apostles would be great.  Then, some pikemen and cavalry.  They would be very universal.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Techno II on 22 July 2021, 04:08:36 PM
And.....as that was your first post, Wealdmaster....A very warm welcome to the forum.

Cheers - Phil. :)
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Chad on 22 July 2021, 05:18:10 PM
I think it depends On which army you intend to build on both counts.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Steve J on 22 July 2021, 05:22:26 PM
Welcome to the forum and I agree that the range is superb.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: mmcv on 22 July 2021, 05:35:59 PM
Welcome!

The Malburian and Great Nothern War ranges have Tricorns aplenty and might fit that 1690s/1700s+ period you're looking for:

https://www.pendraken.co.uk/marlburian-572-c.asp

https://www.pendraken.co.uk/great-northern-war-573-c.asp

Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Wealdmaster on 22 July 2021, 08:09:18 PM
Correct, but I think these ranges are not in the same sculpting style and therefore poor fits with the LoA range; especially the horses with cavalry.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: mmcv on 22 July 2021, 09:31:01 PM
Ah fair enough
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: toxicpixie on 23 July 2021, 11:06:13 AM
Quote from: Wealdmaster on 22 July 2021, 08:09:18 PM
Correct, but I think these ranges are not in the same sculpting style and therefore poor fits with the LoA range; especially the horses with cavalry.

I don't mix them in the same unit/on the same base, but they do look decent on tale together.

In fact my LoA Confederates are pretty much entirely LoA figures and often fight my WSS French, in any time period from 1680's to 1715 :D

Which I now will get people frothing about it being the same as using WW1 infantry against WW2 infantry etc, but hey. If the LoA range was available when I started the WSS I'd probably have just done LoA instead :D
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Orcs on 23 July 2021, 11:24:45 AM
Quote from: toxicpixie on 23 July 2021, 11:06:13 AM
Which I now will get people frothing about it being the same as using WW1 infantry against WW2 infantry etc, but hey. If the LoA range was available when I started the WSS I'd probably have just done LoA instead :D

No frothing from me. While I like things to be correct, a unit on the table is whatever my opponent says it is. At club we have had Bren carriers masquerading as Matilda 2's, Napoleonic Austrians standing in for Russian when someone brought the wrong box of figures.

I would challenge any "expert" to pick out the differences of a WW1 figure in a greatcoat from a similarly dressed WW2 figure at 200 yards, which is probably the minimum if the scale of the figure is taken into account
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 23 July 2021, 11:25:27 AM
Just a welcome friom me...
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: toxicpixie on 23 July 2021, 11:28:34 AM
Oh yes, and hello Wealdmaster!
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: toxicpixie on 23 July 2021, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 23 July 2021, 11:24:45 AM
No frothing from me. While I like things to be correct, a unit on the table is whatever my opponent says it is. At club we have had Bren carriers masquerading as Matilda 2's, Napoleonic Austrians standing in for Russian when someone brought the wrong box of figures.

I would challenge any "expert" to pick out the differences of a WW1 figure in a greatcoat from a similarly dressed WW2 figure at 200 yards, which is probably the minimum if the scale of the figure is taken into account

Pretty much my thoughts, though I might try and proxy a tank with a tank unless I was well pushed :D

One thing I often say when people are complaining about small differences on figures is the same - when someones shooting at you and the shells are flying, one X looks very like another X no matter what they're wearing. Came up in a discussion on "what should my WW2 Hungarians look like and can I paint close ish German figures in a browner colour?". Whadda ya think MINE are repuprosed from :D
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: hammurabi70 on 23 July 2021, 12:28:25 PM
While I see no problem with using figures as proxies it seems very reasonable to complete a figure as intended, doing it as well and as accurately as one can. Otherwise one might as well be using Kriegsspiel blocks, quicker and easier to get to the table and universally applicable.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Orcs on 24 July 2021, 12:02:30 AM
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 23 July 2021, 12:28:25 PM
While I see no problem with using figures as proxies it seems very reasonable to complete a figure as intended, doing it as well and as accurately as one can. Otherwise one might as well be using Kriegsspiel blocks, quicker and easier to get to the table and universally applicable.

We were playing a Chain of Command league at club and were trying to get everyone involved as cliques had started to form. Consequently we had players putting their platoons and support together while the league was running. They wanted to actually use the stuff hey had just painted. So things like Bren carriers proxied for Matildas happened.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: John Cook on 24 July 2021, 02:10:02 AM
Quote from: hammurabi70 on 23 July 2021, 12:28:25 PM
While I see no problem with using figures as proxies it seems very reasonable to complete a figure as intended, doing it as well and as accurately as one can. Otherwise one might as well be using Kriegsspiel blocks, quicker and easier to get to the table and universally applicable.

People can, of course, do pretty much as they please but I agree with you.  If the game is the be-all and end-all, then I can see why it might be done, but, for me, the game is just part of the entire wargaming experience.  I would find using Carriers for Matildas something which would detract entirely from the illusion and deeply unsatisfying.  Not much point Pendraken producing 16 versions of the Sherman, it would seem.    
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 July 2021, 05:18:31 AM
I proxy a little where I must, but I don't like it.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 July 2021, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: Orcs on 24 July 2021, 12:02:30 AM
We were playing a Chain of Command league at club and were trying to get everyone involved as cliques had started to form. Consequently we had players putting their platoons and support together while the league was running. They wanted to actually use the stuff hey had just painted. So things like Bren carriers proxied for Matildas happened.

I reckon that's more than fair; not everyone can afford the money or time to instantly put together a fresh army *in the middle of a game*.

If they liked it I'll bet they replaced with something more accurate later.

Could be worse, mate of mine used a starter army of some "Welsh" 15mm's for about twenty years in DBM/DBA and just casually swapped what they represented across a thousand years of historic lists. "Dave, are the Auxillia spears, foot knights or Auxillia today?" "Ah no, they're bows in this list" "Nnnnngh. And your cavalry are.... ?" "Cavalry. These ones are mediums, these identical ones are heavies, and those are... *frantic sounds of list checking*"
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: fsn on 24 July 2021, 12:04:44 PM
I'm a "to a point" sort of chap.

I don't tend to game until I have the things to game with, but I recognise that we do have to make compromises. For example, the 1944 Guards Armoured Division may have to proxy for 7th Armoured in some scenarios. I'm not going to buy another squadron of Shermans just to put on different divisional badges.

To take it to it's logical extent, if you created an Anglo-Allied army of 1815, you would be confining yourself to refighting two battles over and over and over and over again.

I think many of us can remember the days when proxy and conversion were the rule. (Dare one say Banana Oil?) Granted we are in a time of plenty and the Dark Lord provides mots of out needs, but a little going off piste can be fun. I think I got as much satisfaction out of the 200 Spanish-American War figures that I have proxied in, than I did in ... well other stuff.     
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: John Cook on 24 July 2021, 03:25:55 PM
I agree, I won't game until I have all my dick is a row.  Appearances, for me, are everything, otherwise I wouldn't bother with miniatures.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: FierceKitty on 24 July 2021, 03:49:13 PM
Quote from: John Cook on 24 July 2021, 03:25:55 PM
I agree, I won't game until I have all my dick is a row.  Appearances, for me, are everything, otherwise I wouldn't bother with miniatures.

Not sure what you're saying, but I'm not sure I want to know!
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Ithoriel on 24 July 2021, 04:11:59 PM
If I have the right model I'll use that, if not I'll proxy. If I can proxy with something similar I'll use that. If not I'll make sure everyone knows what the replacement represents. I have not been above playing an early game of Chain of Command with Eldar and Space Marines as Russians and Germans and a tissue box with a drinking straw poked through the end and the inscription PzIV/ L70 on top. It detracted from the fun of the game not one whit.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 July 2021, 04:27:56 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 24 July 2021, 04:11:59 PM
If I have the right model I'll use that, if not I'll proxy. If I can proxy with something similar I'll use that. If not I'll make sure everyone knows what the replacement represents. I have not been above playing an early game of Chain of Command with Eldar and Space Marines as Russians and Germans and a tissue box with a drinking straw poked through the end and the inscription PzIV/ L70 on top. It detracted from the fun of the game not one whit.

That sounds like my serious business modelling efforts :D
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: John Cook on 24 July 2021, 06:51:47 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 24 July 2021, 03:49:13 PM
Not sure what you're saying, but I'm not sure I want to know!

Ha!  You know exactly what I meant, you bad person, you.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: John Cook on 24 July 2021, 06:53:36 PM
Quote from: Ithoriel on 24 July 2021, 04:11:59 PM
If I have the right model I'll use that, if not I'll proxy. If I can proxy with something similar I'll use that. If not I'll make sure everyone knows what the replacement represents. I have not been above playing an early game of Chain of Command with Eldar and Space Marines as Russians and Germans and a tissue box with a drinking straw poked through the end and the inscription PzIV/ L70 on top. It detracted from the fun of the game not one whit.

What are Eldar?
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 July 2021, 07:48:03 PM
Pointy eared space elves!
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: paulr on 24 July 2021, 09:09:57 PM
I agree with FSN  :o :)

Quote from: fsn on 24 July 2021, 12:04:44 PM
I'm a "to a point" sort of chap.

I don't tend to game until I have the things to game with, but I recognise that we do have to make compromises. For example, the 1944 Guards Armoured Division may have to proxy for 7th Armoured in some scenarios. I'm not going to buy another squadron of Shermans just to put on different divisional badges.
...

I do my best to accurately represent a particular force and will then use the troops in other related situations.

For example, my WWI NZ Mounted Rifle Brigade has fought as British, Indian and Kiwi 'cavalry' from Sinai to Mesopotamia. I wouldn't use them in Flanders, unless I really had to, as the basing is sand rather than mud or grass
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: toxicpixie on 24 July 2021, 10:21:20 PM
Quote from: paulr on 24 July 2021, 09:09:57 PM
I agree with FSN  :o :)

I do my best to accurately represent a particular force and will then use the troops in other related situations.

For example, my WWI NZ Mounted Rifle Brigade has fought as British, Indian and Kiwi 'cavalry' from Sinai to Mesopotamia. I wouldn't use them in Flanders, unless I really had to, as the basing is sand rather than mud or grass

Thats often my sticking point, to be fair. Consistent basing that looks about right for the theatre!
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 24 July 2021, 11:36:30 PM
Quote from: FierceKitty on 24 July 2021, 03:49:13 PM
Not sure what you're saying, but I'm not sure I want to know!

There are typos that are random and there are typos which are:

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Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: steve_holmes_11 on 24 July 2021, 11:42:11 PM
I'm using the LOA figures as "Rembrandt NightWatch" era soldiers.

Unlike the militia in the painting, these will be the top brass of a colonial mission, with the unwashed seamen (Maaatron!!) coming from the Pirates range.


No Tricornes among the officers of the VoC.
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Spartan on 07 August 2021, 12:41:22 PM
Tricorns seconded :-)
Title: Re: League of Augsburg Tricornes
Post by: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 07 August 2021, 12:53:56 PM
I susbsitue when needed, so my Sarabata 25s are actually Sasanian levey and I have Saxons in Viking armies...also I use the same Napolionic figures across all 26 years.