Just read an email from GMT Games. They are planning a Games convention at thier warehouse in October. Obviously depending on any restrictions that may be in force at the time They are seriously considering making it "open only to fully vaccinated attendees."
I wonder if we will see this at shows in the UK, particularly when the vaccine is available to all adults.
Or even clubs specifying full vaccination if you want to attend.
I wouldn't be surprised.
All adults are scheduled to have the offer of the jab by the end of July and unless there is a compelling reason not to, it seems to me, notwithstanding that protection, like the flu jab, is relative, that having it is not only sensible, but the responsible thing to do too.
If people want to attend large public events, even clubs, I think that asking them be fully protected seems perfectly reasonable. Those who choose not to may, I think, find themselves excluded from a lot of things.
Having taken all necessary precautions over the past 18 months and avoided COVID so far, and had the two jabs on offer, the last thing I want to do is to catch it from somebody who hasn't.
What I want to know is this. Can you get COVID from an Orc? ;D
A concert venue in Florida is charging $15 entrance fee for vaccinated attendees and $100 for non-vaccinated. It's something other organizations are looking at doing.
One of the big challenges is around people with allergies apparently, and who have been advised not to have the vaccine.
A couple of the vaccines are egg based (so grown in egg white medium) and if you are seriously allergic to eggs (as my sister is) - she has been advised not to have these.
I think that the single dose vaccine might not be egg based but not sure on that.
So it's not as straight forwards as people just refusing the vaccine or ignoring it.
Quote from: John Cook on 04 June 2021, 01:55:02 PM
What I want to know is this. Can you get COVID from an Orc? ;D
Apparently only if your intimate - So you should be ok John :)
Quote from: Big Insect on 04 June 2021, 02:41:47 PM
One of the big challenges is around people with allergies apparently, and who have been advised not to have the vaccine.
A couple of the vaccines are egg based (so grown in egg white medium) and if you are seriously allergic to eggs (as my sister is) - she has been advised not to have these.
I think that the single dose vaccine might not be egg based but not sure on that.
So it's not as straight forwards as people just refusing the vaccine or ignoring it.
If you have a problem like an allergy to the vaccine (or its components) I can understand that you are unable to have it. Being unable to have it for a genuine reason is very different to refusing to have it.
In the same way as vaccinated people have tended to carry round their vaccination card, perhaps those who are genuinely unable to have it should be given a Medical card confirming that they are unable to have the vaccine. Thus putting them in the same category of those who have had it.
If I were attending a show or other venue i would be willing to accept the risk from someone who cannot receive the vaccine, as I suspect that they would have behaved responsibly and be trying to avoid infection by taking the required precautions
I would be less than happy taking the risk from someone who would not have the vaccine because they were "anti-vac" or whatever as if they cannot behave responsibly by having the vaccine I am not willing to trust that they are behaving responsibly and taking the correct precautions either.
Quote from: Orcs on 04 June 2021, 02:55:18 PM
In the same way as vaccinated people have tended to carry round their vaccination card, perhaps those who are genuinely unable to have it should be given a Medical card confirming that they are unable to have the vaccine. Thus putting them in the same category of those who have had it.
What is this 'vaccination card' you mention. I have had both jabs and the Scottish community authorities have that on record. There are no plans to issue an additional document.
> What is this 'vaccination card' you mention..
Might be something that just happens in England. After my first vaccination, I was given a 'credit sized' card with details of the
jab date and type etc written on. Details of the second vaccination were then added later.
Something to cling on to !
(I was also given a sticker each time which I'm stupidly proud of...) :D
Phil
I have the card, but not the sticker :(
Wife got the sticker. :(:(
Feeling left out now :(
My wife and I were given postcard size vaccination records and an enamel badge with a 'Rosie the Rivetter' nurse logo for completing the course. Some people are laminating the cards for constant use. Of course as my wife says, the record cards are stupidly easy to forge.
It'll be interesting to see what they decide must happen for the events. The 'fully vaccinated' requirement will be hard to enforce for some time yet as a lot of people won't have had theirs. Hammerhead is planned for July 31st but I won't get my 2nd jab until 13th August so I won't be classed as fully safe until the end of Aug. For the under-30 crowd they may not get full coverage until Oct potentially. And this is all in the hope that new variants don't kick up and force us into further lockdowns.
If the government decide to go down this route then they'd have to supply some kind of confirmation system to validate your ticket. Larger events would be able to pay for this service, but smaller wargames shows probably wouldn't, leaving it to the organisers to deal with. I'm not sure about other shows, but the last thing I want to do is stand out the front of our venue potentially having arguments with people about whether they're vacced or not.
Quote from: Glorfindel on 04 June 2021, 04:33:18 PM
> What is this 'vaccination card' you mention..
Might be something that just happens in England. After my first vaccination, I was given a 'credit sized' card with details of the
jab date and type etc written on. Details of the second vaccination were then added later.
Something to cling on to !
(I was also given a sticker each time which I'm stupidly proud of...) :D
Phil
I didn't get a sticker!
The English vaccination card is pretty similar to the appointment cards you get at dentists etc
I wouldn't regard it as any kind of official document.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 04 June 2021, 03:29:52 PM
What is this 'vaccination card' you mention. I have had both jabs and the Scottish community authorities have that on record. There are no plans to issue an additional document.
When I got my first jab I was given a card the sise of a credit card with my name on. They added the date of the fist jab, the vaccine and the batch number. I was told to bring this for the second jab and they again added the vaccine, batch number and the date.
I keep it in my wallet and it proves I have had both jabs.
Yes it is easy to forge, but perhaps if venues are going to go down this route (and it looks like some are even unnoficially) they will have to bring out something more suitable.
Could always issue some form of certificate from your medical records.
Quote from: jimduncanuk on 04 June 2021, 03:29:52 PM
What is this 'vaccination card' you mention. I have had both jabs and the Scottish community authorities have that on record. There are no plans to issue an additional document.
NHS England issued all people who received the jab with a credit card-sized card showing the name of the vaccine, the batch number and the date it was given, updated with details of the second jab when you received it. Similar details to those on the yellow International Certificate of Vaccination you got when you had a Yellow Fever and Cholera jab to enable you to travel to foreign parts, but a handier size, and specific to COVID. I could fake both on my PC quite easily I think.
I was told by the nurse giving me my Jag (Scotland), that there would be no vaccine passport because it would be too easy to forge a bit of card with some writing on it.
Which means that the main issues are trusting people... and trusting people... This may seem very negative but the fact that the advice given was that we'll ease restrictions but you need to be responsible and the R number has gone through the roof again probably says it all. Most shows I've been at would have serious issues being able to operate with social distance and proper cleaning in operation. Never mind the fact that there's often something akin to a scrum going on round some stalls. I'm glad i'll have had my second by the time we get round to Carronade, but even at this stage we have no idea what kind of restrictions we might need to have in place, if we are allowed to go ahead with our booking.
Quote from: Genom on 04 June 2021, 06:58:48 PM
I was told by the nurse giving me my Jag (Scotland), that there would be no vaccine passport because it would be too easy to forge a bit of card with some writing on it.
Your nurse seems to be badly informed. Forgery is not an issue because the NHS England COVID vaccination card is not a 'vaccine passport'. Its purpose, as explained to me, is to inform medical professionals in exactly the same way that people who are epileptic, have extreme allergies, are insulin dependent and so on, carry similar cards.
The credit card thing is useless as proof of full vaccination, I could give mine to Leon, but it would count for nothing.
My understanding (something not to be relied upon!) is that in England, you can register with the NHS App (this is not the same thing as the NHS Covid - 19 app), which ties into your medical record and therefore shows your Covid vaccine status and it is a verifiable document linked to the users ID.
Hi
Norm is correct, I downloaded the NHS app a few days ago and I can confirm that it shows the dates I had the jabs, which vaccine and even the batch numbers.
If I'm the first on the forum to do this do I get a prize? ;)
Cheers Paul
Quote from: T13A on 04 June 2021, 08:55:14 PM
Hi
Norm is correct, I downloaded the NHS app a few days ago and I can confirm that it shows the dates I had the jabs, which vaccine and even the batch numbers.
If I'm the first on the forum to do this do I get a prize? ;)
Cheers Paul
In which case it would be fairly easy to apply the "vaccinated people only rule" . It would still leave someone with the unenviable job of refusing entry to those that don't have it.
Quote from: Norm on 04 June 2021, 07:48:26 PM
The credit card thing is useless as proof of full vaccination, I could give mine to Leon, but it would count for nothing.
It isn't meant to be 'proof' of anything.
Quote from: Norm on 04 June 2021, 07:48:26 PM
The credit card thing is useless as proof of full vaccination, I could give mine to Leon, but it would count for nothing.
Is Leon taking them as some sort of payment? (He said hopefully.)
No he isn't. The little bit of card is just for show really. You don't need it for second jab, about 1 in 3 don't bring it with them. All the info is as other people have pointed out on your medical records, and should be inputed at time of injection. I say should as the comms from the Devany Centre are iffy. Yesterday all candidates expected attended for injections. Dont think it would be practicle to insist on producing proof at some of the more croweded venues and social distancing would be impossible.
Quote from: T13A on 04 June 2021, 08:55:14 PM
Norm is correct, I downloaded the NHS app a few days ago and I can confirm that it shows the dates I had the jabs, which vaccine and even the batch numbers.
Quote from: Orcs on 04 June 2021, 10:48:26 PM
In which case it would be fairly easy to apply the "vaccinated people only rule"
Hmmm . . . (looks at Nokia/WIndows phone) So I'm excluded, just because I don't have the right sort of smartphone?
Quote from: Lord Kermit of Birkenhead on 05 June 2021, 07:17:30 AM
No he isn't. The little bit of card is just for show really. You don't need it for second jab, about 1 in 3 don't bring it with them.
Yep.. Von and I have ended up with two cards each.....One for each jab.
We were simply told to copy the details of card A onto card B, or staple them together.....So they definitely can't be any use as 'certificates', as has already been mentioned.
Cheers - Phil. :)
Some folks, my wife included, didn't get a vaccine card on their first jab. The card isn't necessary to get your jab, that's done by your NHS number. The NHS app holds your official vaccine details and you can use it to get a time limited hard printed copy...
I got a card from work (I work for the American Army in Germany).
Got the one jab Johnston. my card was an American CDC card.
A week later got told most countries might not accept this, went onto Amazon.de (other online retailers are available),
and bought a WHO Vaccination booklet took it to the Medical Centre on base, they transferred the details on the booklet.
I then drove from Germany to Bulgaria going through four borders there and then four borders back. with my UK passport, and UK registered car.
I never got asked once for my COVID documentation, to either prove i had the injection or that i had a negative test. :o
Regards
Sean
I now have a sticker saying "I've had my Covid vaccination", and that should be good enough for anyone, I think.
Quote from: sean66 on 07 June 2021, 12:27:41 PM
I got a card from work (I work for the American Army in Germany).
Got the one jab Johnston. my card was an American CDC card.
A week later got told most countries might not accept this, went onto Amazon.de (other online retailers are available),
and bought a WHO Vaccination booklet took it to the Medical Centre on base, they transferred the details on the booklet.
I then drove from Germany to Bulgaria going through four borders there and then four borders back. with my UK passport, and UK registered car.
I never got asked once for my COVID documentation, to either prove i had the injection or that i had a negative test. :o
Regards
Sean
All within the EU are they not? Did you get asked for any ID of any description? Bulgaria is an Amber List country in UK to which you 'should not travel' and on return from which we'd need to go into quarantine for 10 days and take COVID tests. So, it seems that the EU is the architect of its own misfortune again.
Every country seems to be ploughing their own furrow and it looks like phone apps of one kind or another are going to be needed for foreign travel.
The WHO International Health Regulations vaccination record, or so-called 'Yellow Card', is not accepted as proof of COVID vaccination anywhere that I'm aware of. The purpose of the Yellow Card, I had one for years back in the day, is to show that you are protected from the ghastly diseases in the exotic parts you are going to. Subtly different from an 'immunity passport' which shows you aren't infected. It is also a very unsophisticated document that would be open to abuse I think.
Quote from: Raider4 on 07 June 2021, 12:37:33 PM
I now have a sticker saying "I've had my Covid vaccination", and that should be good enough for anyone, I think.
Absolutely. Together with your Lone Ranger tin star you have 'license to kill'. :D
Quote from: John Cook on 07 June 2021, 01:59:42 PM
Absolutely. Together with your Lone Ranger tin star you have 'license to kill'. :D
Nah, need my 'CI5' warrant card for that, I think ;)
I'll have to dig out my U.N.C.L.E. ID card out if we're going down that road. ;)
Cheers - Phil. :)
No use for me, returned both my warrent card and Army ID card in the 70's.
Quote from: John Cook on 07 June 2021, 01:22:12 PM
All within the EU are they not? Did you get asked for any ID of any description? Bulgaria is an Amber List country in UK to which you 'should not travel' and on return from which we'd need to go into quarantine for 10 days and take COVID tests. So, it seems that the EU is the architect of its own misfortune again.
Every country seems to be ploughing their own furrow and it looks like phone apps of one kind or another are going to be needed for foreign travel.
The WHO International Health Regulations vaccination record, or so-called 'Yellow Card', is not accepted as proof of COVID vaccination anywhere that I'm aware of. The purpose of the Yellow Card, I had one for years back in the day, is to show that you are protected from the ghastly diseases in the exotic parts you are going to. Subtly different from an 'immunity passport' which shows you aren't infected. It is also a very unsophisticated document that would be open to abuse I think.
I travelled through Serbia (not in EU). I was asked for my passport at every border post. Within Germany all of the countries I travelled through are classed as low
infection areas. These are listed on the WKI (Walter Koch institute) this is Germanys answer to the UK think tank. So I was allowed to travel for a proper reason. All the Government websites declared I could travel through their countries on producing a valid vaccination card or a negative Covid test (I was advised that they might not recognize the American CDC Covid card. But would recognize the WHO Booklet. Pages 18-20 declare in the headers on the top of the pages they can be used to declare Covid injections.
Regards
Sean
Quote from: Techno II on 08 June 2021, 07:58:26 AM
I'll have to dig out my U.N.C.L.E. ID card out if we're going down that road. ;)
Cheers - Phil. :)
Section 5: Communications
(I altered it to Operations - I was c10years old. In later life I learned to never volunteer for stuff like that!)
All this vaccination palaver doesn't half needle me.
Quote from: Leman on 12 June 2021, 09:49:28 AM
All this vaccination palaver doesn't half needle me.
Nobby, coat and owner :o :o :o :o
I've just noticed that for Salute 2021 the centre requires vaccine passports for entry.....
Quote from: sultanbev on 25 October 2021, 02:31:20 PM
I've just noticed that for Salute 2021 the centre requires vaccine passports for entry.....
Easy enough to get one via the NHS App.
What's an app?
Quote from: sultanbev on 25 October 2021, 04:07:16 PM
What's an app?
It's a thing you get on your phone.
I'm still a little unclear on how I get the cable to stretch all the way to the venue from the wall socket.
Quote from: John Cook on 25 October 2021, 03:45:19 PM
Easy enough to get one via the NHS App.
Yeah, and I've seen the permissions that app asks for. No thanks.
Get a paper one if you must.
Quote from: sultanbev on 25 October 2021, 04:07:16 PM
What's an app?
Really? It is the abbreviation of application, a piece of software intended for smartphones.
Why's it soft? Cut-price Chinese rip-off?
Quote from: FierceKitty on 26 October 2021, 11:46:31 AM
Why's it soft? Cut-price Chinese rip-off?
Because it's not hard.
Quote from: Raider4 on 25 October 2021, 05:46:51 PM
Yeah, and I've seen the permissions that app asks for. No thanks.
Get a paper one if you must.
What are the 'permissions' you object to? Are they any different from the NHS Track and Trace app?
Quote from: John Cook on 26 October 2021, 12:03:02 PM
What are the 'permissions' you object to?
Pretty much all of them really:
NHS App
NHS Digital
Showing permissions for all versions of this app
This app has access to:
Location
● precise location (GPS and network-based)
Phone
● read phone status and identity
Photos / Media / Files
● read the contents of your USB storage
● modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Storage
● read the contents of your USB storage
● modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Camera
● take pictures and videos
Microphone
● record audio
Device ID & call information
● read phone status and identity
Other
● receive data from Internet
● view network connections
● full network access
● change your audio settings
● control Near-Field Communication
● control vibration
● prevent device from sleeping
Carrying a piece of paper around seems to be an awful lot simpler to me.
Quote from: John Cook on 26 October 2021, 12:03:02 PM
Are they any different from the NHS Track and Trace app?
No idea. Don't have that one either.
That's a pretty worrying list of permissions, some I can understand but others X_X
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I'm not a fan of the permissions that some apps use, Facebook Messenger has always been the worst offender for me. I don't know if it's changed much but it used to be able to access your entire phone book, email contacts, internet connections, camera, microphone, photos, personal files, calendar, on/off status, and god knows what else. It was the ability to turn on your microphone/camera and record you that I found the most creepy.
With the more modern phones though, you can go into each apps permissions and turn some of them off, leaving only the essentials for the app to work.
Quote from: Raider4 on 26 October 2021, 12:42:52 PM
Carrying a piece of paper around seems to be an awful lot simpler to me.
That means you will need to repeatedly print out the piece of paper, as it is only valid for 48 hours compared to the month on the APP
Quote from: Raider4 on 26 October 2021, 12:42:52 PM
Pretty much all of them really:
Where can I confirm all this information on permissions in the context of my smartphone. I can't find it on the App on my iphone or via NHS Digital on my PC. The trouble with the paper version is that it isn't accepted everywhere so I haven't bothered to get one. Does the paper version include a readable QR code? If not it is, literally, not worth the paper it is printed on. As for the COVID track and trace app, having that on your smartphone is just the responsible thing to do, in my view, like getting vaccinated, wearing masks and observing social distancing.
Quote from: Orcs on 26 October 2021, 10:07:09 PM
That means you will need to repeatedly print out the piece of paper, as it is only valid for 48 hours compared to the month on the APP
I didn't know it was only valid for such a short time. Not much practical use really and another reason not to bother with it. Having the QR code on your smartphone seems by far the easiest option.
I do not have a smart phone, but recently took a trip to France on business and used a paper 'NHS COVID Pass - Vaccinated' which shows the 2D BAR codes and is valid for 30 days.
Quote from: chrishanley on 26 October 2021, 11:57:35 PM
I do not have a smart phone, but recently took a trip to France on business and used a paper 'NHS COVID Pass - Vaccinated' which shows the 2D BAR codes and is valid for 30 days.
Thanks for that. I've had a smartphone for years and like all these things I don't know what I would do without it now. Having the app on my phone with access to the QR code is a lot simpler than having to apply for a paper certificate every month.